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fken scary, i hope they dont start thinking that theyre the bosses now because then we'd all be screwed

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/31/D8FFN9681.html (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/31/D8FFN9681.html)

We should probably launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia now. It's really the only sensible thing to do.

From what I can read, it's a glorified cruise missile.

From what I can read, it's a glorified cruise missile.

looks like some frequency-type "bomb"

Putin said that the new missiles were capable of changing both the altitude and the direction of their flight, making it impossible for an enemy to intercept them.
Isn't that another way of saying "our missles won't fly straight and who knows where they'll land."

We should probably launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia now. It's really the only sensible thing to do.

are we living in the 50's again now?

looks like some frequency-type "bomb"

I saw nothing in the article about any warhead, aside from the comment that the missile could carry a nuclear one.

are we living in the 50's again now?
I wish! Those were the good old days. No tits on the superbowl half-time show, no blacks in our nice white neighborhoods (except as housekeepers), no gays running around gaying the whole country up, and people dressed better. Suits and hats were the norm, not T-shirts with godless statements on them and visible undergarments.

are we living in the 50's again now?
These are the 00's, which are like the 50's, only doubled. So we should double nuke Russia first.

ok heres what im thinking, i think that he is talking about a missile that releases a certain frequence that kills humans (blows them up). if that is it, that would be mad scary because theres like no way to stop that

ok heres what im thinking, i think that he is talking about a missile that releases a certain frequence that kills humans (blows them up). if that is it, that would be mad scary because theres like no way to stop that

Erg...are you sure you linked the right article?

ok heres what im thinking, i think that he is talking about a missile that releases a certain frequence that kills humans (blows them up). if that is it, that would be mad scary because theres like no way to stop that
No, he's talking about missiles that change their trajectory and move really fast in order to defeat anti-missle systems like Aegis/Phalanx and Patriot.

These are the 00's, which are like the 50's, only doubled. So we should double nuke Russia first.
My god, how could I have overlooked that? You sir are a genius.

These are the 00's, which are like the 50's, only doubled. So we should double nuke Russia first.
Aherm... if we're doubling everything, then we gotta hit Russia and another country...

Korea?

No, he's talking about missiles that change their trajectory and move really fast in order to defeat anti-missle systems like Aegis/Phalanx and Patriot.

While it may work against missiles, it won't work against the Airborne Laser.

Can't dodge it, because the laser moves too quickly.

I would also expect anything maneuvering around at Mach 25 in the atmosphere to be white hot, and at the limits of its material strength. Add a little puff of power from a laser, and the whole warhead vaporizes.

I wish! Those were the good old days. No tits on the superbowl half-time show, no blacks in our nice white neighborhoods (except as housekeepers), no gays running around gaying the whole country up, and people dressed better. Suits and hats were the norm, not T-shirts with godless statements on them and visible undergarments.

Youre stuck in the 50s you racist. What is up with blacks. You're exactly an example of the kind of people that made new orleans worse.

Nothing like the idea of another Cold War to put a jump in your step, eh? Why can't we solve our problems like we used to in the old west? With guns.

:eek: :mp5:

Youre stuck in the 50s you racist. What is up with blacks. You're exactly an example of the kind of people that made new orleans worse.

You obviously don't recognize sarcasm when you see it, do you?

These are the 00's, which are like the 50's, only doubled. So we should double nuke Russia first.

But what if the 00's are the 50's quadrupled? Or octupled?!

The only possible course of action is to unleash every nuclear missile on the russians, inculding their own.

Youre stuck in the 50s you racist. What is up with blacks. You're exactly an example of the kind of people that made new orleans worse.
Shows how much you know, I've never been in the state of Louisiana, much less the city of New Orleans.

BTW, I'm not racist. I'm just humorous.

You obviously don't recognize sarcasm when you see it, do you?

Ok but it still aint a good thing to say. In my country england you'd get arressted for saying that.

Ok but it still aint a good thing to say. In my country england you'd get arressted for saying that.
God Bless the USA!

Ok but it still aint a good thing to say. In my country england you'd get arressted for saying that.
Good thing we're in the United States, where we have freedom of speech written down as a right.

My god, how could I have overlooked that? You sir are a genius.
Indeed, and spreading my incredible wisdom among the people is a burden that I undertake with great care.

Good thing we're in the United States, where we have freedom of speech written down as a right.

We have freedom of speech but that is classed as inciting racial hatred. We can say that. God save the queen.

Go Racial Hatred!

Go Racial Hatred!

Yep lets go and nuke russia just like that sure. Only america could say that lol. God save the queen.

Kimchi, what lasers are you referring to? The THELS project, I know was cancelled when they did not have sufficient power to keep the plane in the air AND power the lasers. AFAIK anti-missile lasers are few and far between and most air defence systems rely on ABMs.

And yes, God Save the Queen.

We have freedom of speech but that is classed as inciting racial hatred. We can say that. God save the queen.


oh shove the queen up your ass. (waits for every limey on NS to come and fry me with flames)

but seriously if you can't recognize a joke, then you really don't belong here.

Kimchi, what lasers are you referring to? The THELS project, I know was cancelled when they did not have sufficient power to keep the plane in the air AND power the lasers. AFAIK anti-missile lasers are few and far between and most air defence systems rely on ABMs.

Irans the one you wana worry about not russia.

Yep lets go and nuke russia just like that sure. Only america could say that lol. God save the queen.
Yup. Only in America, where we don't let someone's feeling prevent us from saying what's on our mind!

oh shove the queen up your ass. (waits for every limey on NS to come and fry me with flames)


Only if you shove your "bill of rights" and your "constitution" up yours. This thread wasn't intented to start an anti-monarchy sentiment, it is discussing Russia's latest weapon.

Isn't that another way of saying "our missles won't fly straight and who knows where they'll land."

Sweet Jesus!!:eek: That means if the American Star Wars program doesn't shoot them down over Canada they'll just land in Canada!!:eek:

Sweet Jesus!!:eek: That means if the American Star Wars program doesn't shoot them down over Canada they'll just land in Canada!!:eek:

Now you Canadians see the foolery in your ways!

oh shove the queen up your ass. (waits for every limey on NS to come and fry me with flames)

but seriously if you can't recognize a joke, then you really don't belong here.

Agreed...sarcasm is what makes the world go round. NUKE AWAY!

Yup. Only in America, where we don't let someone's feeling prevent us from saying what's on our mind!

Ok who had the biggest empire. Who discovered you. Thanks Britain rules. Now go and pollute the world.

Ok who had the biggest empire. Who discovered you. Thanks Britain rules. Now go and pollute the world.
Biggest empire? Rome. Who discovered us? Some folks walking over a land bridge from Siberia, then some viking dude, then some wop working for Spain.

Ok but it still aint a good thing to say. In my country england you'd get arressted for saying that.

What? No you wouldn't!

Only if you shove your "bill of rights" and your "constitution" up yours. This thread wasn't intented to start an anti-monarchy sentiment, it is discussing Russia's latest weapon.

again, people can't recognize a joke.


and so what, russia has a missile that our ABM can't stop, big deal, we have submarines that they can't find.

14 submarines, with 24 missiles with 8 warheads apiece.

wow that 2600 nuclear warheads. Plenty to ruin someones day eh?

Biggest empire? Rome. Who discovered us? Some folks walking over a land bridge from Siberia, then some viking dude, then some wop working for Spain.
With a little help from us. ANyway Iran has nukes not russia. God save the queen.

Only if you shove your "bill of rights" and your "constitution" up yours. This thread wasn't intented to start an anti-monarchy sentiment, it is discussing Russia's latest weapon.

I think it'd be a lot easier to stuff a few pieces of paper up ones ass than trying to do the same with an old woman.

God Bless the USA!

Ghehe, I really think that's the most hated American sentence. 'and the rest of the world then?':p

again, people can't recognize a joke.


and so what, russia has a missile that our ABM can't stop, big deal, we have submarines that they can't find.

14 submarines, with 24 missiles with 8 warheads apiece.

wow that 2600 nuclear warheads. Plenty to ruin someones day eh?
Not to mention the land based ones.

I love the nice, warm feeling of Gamma rays in the morning...

With a little help from us. ANyway Iran has nukes not russia. God save the queen.
You're just being funny, right?

I think it'd be a lot easier to stuff a few pieces of paper up ones ass than trying to do the same with an old woman.

That's what you think. You Brits have large anuses (anui?).

I think it'd be a lot easier to stuff a few pieces of paper up ones ass than trying to do the same with an old woman.
You go do that. By the way you would get arrested. I have police in the family. Iran most probably has nukes. Russia is not as big of a threat.

Ghehe, I really think that's the most hated American sentence. 'and the rest of the world then?':p
It was just a response to the guy who claimed that in England you can get arrested for a sarcastic mock-racist remark. I was just indicating that if he's right I'm glad I live here and not there.

Ok who had the biggest empire. Who discovered you. Thanks Britain rules. Now go and pollute the world.

and who was unable to hold onto that empire??? oh yeah, Britain.


Ok i'll give you props for India.

But Canada(no one lives there)
Australia(not really densely populated either)
South Africa(hurrah for you, but boy did you have to fight for it)
Kenya(no one there)
The Falklands(a couple of sheep)
Ireland(yeah that was a great idea WASN'T IT?)



what i'm trying to get at is that Britain had a huge land masses full of nothing. (probably wrong and waiting for someone to tell me, oh well)

Um, just because you have submarines that Russia can't detect, it doesn't really mean anything. In a MAD situation, both sides would die.

I don't take "oh shove the queen up your ass. " as a joke. I take it as a personal insult to my country. Sure, I got drunk commies deleted's joke, but yours was less-than-obvious.

That's what you think. You Brits have large anuses (anui?).

You Brits?

I live about an hour north of you :p

But Canada(no one lives there)

I live there thank you very much.

Biggest empire? Rome. Who discovered us? Some folks walking over a land bridge from Siberia, then some viking dude, then some wop working for Spain.

The British Empire was far larger than the Roman, the British conquered places Rome never heard of, Australia.

America, I've heard, was first discovered by some chinese scientists. They were executed when they returned for failing to predict a solar eclipse, then by some Irish monks, then Columbus. Or so I've heard.

You Brits?

I live about an hour north of you :p
But you probably have a large anus, don't you?

and who was unable to hold onto that empire??? oh yeah, Britain.


Ok i'll give you props for India.

But Canada(no one lives there)
Australia(not really densely populated either)
South Africa(hurrah for you, but boy did you have to fight for it)
Kenya(no one there)
The Falklands(a couple of sheep)
Ireland(yeah that was a great idea WASN'T IT?)



what i'm trying to get at is that Britain had a huge land masses full of nothing. (probably wrong and waiting for someone to tell me, oh well)
The Commonwealth of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations_by_name), all ex-empire nations, is the largest single military and political entity in the world. It would destroy America if all Commonwealth nations united. The only reason we lost our Empire was because we didn't have the money to control it, and the only reason we didn't have the money to control it was because you royally fucked us over in the war.

I live there thank you very much.
But you don't exist. Because you're Canadian. Yeah.

You go do that. By the way you would get arrested. I have police in the family. Iran most probably has nukes. Russia is not as big of a threat.


oh yes Iran probably has a couple nukes or is on their way to getting them, while russia has.............................3-4,000(pulled that out of my ass, i had to bring the constitution and bill of rights with it, but i can put them back in if you insist)

Yup no threat there.

Putin is a powerhungry ex-KGB that trimming back the Democratic Reforms in Russia, I still don't see a threat.

Sweet Jesus!!:eek: That means if the American Star Wars program doesn't shoot them down over Canada they'll just land in Canada!!:eek:
either that or the missles aimed at florida could hit British Columbia.

and who was unable to hold onto that empire??? oh yeah, Britain.


Ok i'll give you props for India.

But Canada(no one lives there)
Australia(not really densely populated either)
South Africa(hurrah for you, but boy did you have to fight for it)
Kenya(no one there)
The Falklands(a couple of sheep)
Ireland(yeah that was a great idea WASN'T IT?)



what i'm trying to get at is that Britain had a huge land masses full of nothing. (probably wrong and waiting for someone to tell me, oh well)

You americans fight a war on terror but funded the irish terror group (IRA)attacking us your allies.
Alot better than yours. How come russias latest weapons has come up, its not been on the news?

The Commonwealth of Nations, all ex-empire nations, is the largest single military and political entity in the world. It would destroy America if all Commonwealth nations united. The only reason we lost our Empire was because we didn't have the money to control it, and the only reason we didn't have the money to control it was because you royally fucked us over in the war.

Or because some of us just got up and left (and kick ass enough in some wars to be internationally recognized).

Funny how this has turned into a debate about the Commonwealth.

The British Empire was far larger than the Roman, the British conquered places Rome never heard of, Australia.

America, I've heard, was first discovered by some chinese scientists. They were executed when they returned for failing to predict a solar eclipse, then by some Irish monks, then Columbus. Or so I've heard.
You're just going to cut Leif Ericsson out of history altogether then?

Ok, I was wrong about Rome. Australia is a big place, so is Canada and combined with the other British holdings they made for a lot of territory. Population wise it's a little closer, I think, but India sure added alot of people so I think at the British empire's peak you win in that regard too.

oh yes Iran probably has a couple nukes or is on their way to getting them, while russia has.............................3-4,000(pulled that out of my ass, i had to bring the constitution and bill of rights with it, but i can put them back in if you insist)

Yup no threat there.

Putin is a powerhungry ex-KGB that trimming back the Democratic Reforms in Russia, I still don't see a threat.

Actually, approximately 20,000.

You don't see a threat because you don't live in Europe. Russia controls ALOT, ALOT, ALOT of Europe's natural gas supply, and if he turns it off, life aint' gonna be too pleasant.

How would America cope without its precious gas?

But you probably have a large anus, don't you?

Not so much anymore, I've been out of the Army for about 2 years now.

But then, I did just find out today that there was a problem with my GI Bill paperwork, and I won't get paid again for another 8 weeks or so. So I guess I'm still getting the big government cock.

Actually, approximately 20,000.

You don't see a threat because you don't live in Europe. Russia controls ALOT, ALOT, ALOT of Europe's natural gas supply, and if he turns it off, life aint' gonna be too pleasant.

How would America cope without its precious gas?
If he turns it off then he may face a slight amount of opposition. We could find alot of other means. Britain fights back.

The Commonwealth of Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Commonwealth_of_Nations_by_name), all ex-empire nations, is the largest single military and political entity in the world. It would destroy America if all Commonwealth nations united. The only reason we lost our Empire was because we didn't have the money to control it, and the only reason we didn't have the money to control it was because you royally fucked us over in the war.

your joking right?

you are kidding?

LOL

lets pick a few random countries from that list

Canada................uhhh no coment
Belize.............yup i can just see Belizian soldiers marching on Washington
Guyana........well i hope my body armor can stop sharpened fruit
Malta.........uhhh yeah um The maltese knights probably would roll over an M1 Abrams.



there are 3 nations, JUST THREE that even COUNT as a semi-speed bump. Granted i'm not saying we could conquer them, but they would be FAR FROM destroying us

Britain
India
Pakistan.

so yeah, i'm quaking in my Converse All Star Desert Combat Boots (I call em my Combat Chucks)

You americans fight a war on terror but funded the irish terror group (IRA)attacking us your allies.
Alot better than yours. How come russias latest weapons has come up, its not been on the news?

Yanks funded the IRA?
Wasn't that the Russkies?

Actually, approximately 20,000.

You don't see a threat because you don't live in Europe. Russia controls ALOT, ALOT, ALOT of Europe's natural gas supply, and if he turns it off, life aint' gonna be too pleasant.

How would America cope without its precious gas?

::looks around::

OH yeah, WE PRODUCE OUR OWN NATURAL GAS.

this is the third time this thread that a Limey hasn't been able to recognize my sarcasm. And i thought that was Britain's bread and butter?

Don't count Canada out just yet. I mean we live next door. We know your deepest, darkest secrets...

You're just going to cut Leif Ericsson out of history altogether then?

Ok, I was wrong about Rome. Australia is a big place, so is Canada and combined with the other British holdings they made for a lot of territory. Population wise it's a little closer, I think, but India sure added alot of people so I think at the British empire's peak you win in that regard too.

Oh ya, that guy.
Meh, I haven't been to a history class in 3 years.

your joking right?

you are kidding?

LOL

lets pick a few random countries from that list

Canada................uhhh no coment
Belize.............yup i can just see Belizian soldiers marching on Washington
Guyana........well i hope my body armor can stop sharpened fruit
Malta.........uhhh yeah um The maltese knights probably would roll over an M1 Abrams.



there are 3 nations, JUST THREE that even COUNT as a semi-speed bump. Granted i'm not saying we could conquer them, but they would be FAR FROM destroying us

Britain
India
Pakistan.

so yeah, i'm quaking in my Converse All Star Desert Combat Boots (I call em my Combat Chucks)

But britain would probably have the whole EU behind them. You're forgetting australia. Indias population is around a billion. Americas 250million. You may lose.

Yanks funded the IRA?
Wasn't that the Russkies?
Nah, it was Irish style pubs in the US that took up collections to buy the IRA weapons. There's one in Trenton that actually has IRA posters and stuff up on the walls.

http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=ma05norris
a link to the iaa (international atomic agency) website with russias arsenal

But britain would probably have the whole EU behind them. You're forgetting australia. Indias population is around a billion. Americas 250million. You may lose.

::looks at EU, Looks at Trident Submarines, Looks back at EU and grins.......::


i wasn't forgetting australia, and really i highly doubt that there would be such a coalition to take on the US. For one, such a war would wreck the worlds economy. Two we have enough missiles to turn every major city in Europe and the Commonwealth for that matter into radioactive rubble.


Listen right now no one is as powerful as the US, Russia may come the closest but other than that. "United Europe" I still don't think it can work.

As of January 2006, the U.S. stockpile contains almost 10,000 nuclear warheads. This includes 5,735 active or operational warheads: 5,235 strategic and 500 nonstrategic warheads. Approximately 4,225 additional warheads are held in the reserve or inactive stockpiles, some of which will be dismantled
Quote form the iAA about the us nuclear forces compared to us brits who have 200 nuclear warheads. britain is good, leading the world into a safer place. Britain fights back. God save the queen.

Nah, it was Irish style pubs in the US that took up collections to buy the IRA weapons. There's one in Trenton that actually has IRA posters and stuff up on the walls.

So, you know about the irish pub scam?
*kneecaps*

As of January 2006, the U.S. stockpile contains almost 10,000 nuclear warheads. This includes 5,735 active or operational warheads: 5,235 strategic and 500 nonstrategic warheads. Approximately 4,225 additional warheads are held in the reserve or inactive stockpiles, some of which will be dismantled
Quote form the iAA about the us nuclear forces compared to us brits who have 200 nuclear warheads. britain is good, leading the world into a safer place. Britain fights back. God save the queen.

5,000 warheads.


Lets see if we were to attack 5,000 cities with a population of at least 500,000. well do the math.

::looks at EU, Looks at Trident Submarines, Looks back at EU and grins.......::


i wasn't forgetting australia, and really i highly doubt that there would be such a coalition to take on the US. For one, such a war would wreck the worlds economy. Two we have enough missiles to turn every major city in Europe and the Commonwealth for that matter into radioactive rubble.


Listen right now no one is as powerful as the US, Russia may come the closest but other than that. "United Europe" I still don't think it can work.

No one alone is as powerful but the commonweath + the EU would kick your ass. India and france also ahve complex nuclear systems we would kick but.

::looks at EU, Looks at Trident Submarines, Looks back at EU and grins.......::


i wasn't forgetting australia, and really i highly doubt that there would be such a coalition to take on the US. For one, such a war would wreck the worlds economy. Two we have enough missiles to turn every major city in Europe and the Commonwealth for that matter into radioactive rubble.


Listen right now no one is as powerful as the US, Russia may come the closest but other than that. "United Europe" I still don't think it can work.
Technically, they could destroy the US. The three countries you considered all have nukes. So that makes it very possible.

Listen right now no one is as powerful as the US, Russia may come the closest but other than that. "United Europe" I still don't think it can work.

Yes, but China and India are both on their way up while the US is on the way down. By the time any sort of international conflict that involves nuclear weapons takes place, my guess is that the US won't be the one's kicking ass.

I seriously Doubt such a coalition could exist. Period



So lets stop the "Well if 80+ Countries gang up on you we could beat you" shut up.

for one you can't pull of a succesful invasion because you lack the sea power or even a real blue water navy.

You could overwhelm our airforce through numbers but the kill ratio would be horrendous and if we were threatened we'd probably hit the british and French Nuclear stockpiles along with all your air bases. within striking range of the US. that would eliminate Air and Sea power and would make an invasion pretty much impossible. You can't exactly send troops to canada if its blockaded can you?

5,000 warheads.


Lets see if we were to attack 5,000 cities with a population of at least 500,000. well do the math.

I'm terrible at math. But I do know that those 5000 warheads cannot be launched all at once at 5000 cities.

Technically, they could destroy the US. The three countries you considered all have nukes. So that makes it very possible.


but only one of them has the means to deliver the nukes to US soil.


having a warhead doesn't make you all powerful.

I seriously Doubt such a coalition could exist. Period



So lets stop the "Well if 80+ Countries gang up on you we could beat you" shut up.

for one you can't pull of a succesful invasion because you lack the sea power or even a real blue water navy.

You could overwhelm our airforce through numbers but the kill ratio would be horrendous and if we were threatened we'd probably hit the british and French Nuclear stockpiles along with all your air bases. within striking range of the US. that would eliminate Air and Sea power and would make an invasion pretty much impossible. You can't exactly send troops to canada if its blockaded can you?

I refuse to accept america couldd destroy the enitre commonwealth+eu alone. Never heard such rubbish in my life. How can america invade iraq for having womd?

More than 31,000 nuclear weapons are still maintained by the eight known nuclear powers, a decrease of only 3,000 since 1998. Ninety-five percent of these weapons are in the United States and Russia, and more than 16,000 are operationally deployed. Even if the United States and Russia complete their recently announced arms reductions over the next 10 years, they will continue to target thousands of nuclear weapons against each other.
Furthermore, many if not most of the U.S. warheads removed from the active stockpile will be placed in storage (along with some 5,000 warheads already held in reserve) rather than dismantled, for the express purpose of re-deploying them in some future contingency. As a result, the total U.S. stockpile will remain at more than 10,000 warheads for the foreseeable future. Russia, on the other hand, seeks a verifiable, binding agreement that would ensure retired U.S. and Russian weapons are actually destroyed, a position we support.

Article fromt the IAs website.

I'm terrible at math. But I do know that those 5000 warheads cannot be launched all at once at 5000 cities.


really.


well when you've got Ohio class Subs with Mirv warheads and our Minuteman III's with MIRV's as well. We may not have the total missiles but yes we can get a lot if not all of them off at once.

and besides if we could only launch 1,000.

whats 1,000 cities( a lot of dead people) so lets just stop with this silly nonsensical arguement.

The US isn't going to war with the Commonwealth + EU, just won't happen. India and Pakistan lack missiles with the range to strike the US, Britain flat out WON'T strike the US so this is all VERY POINTLESS.

I refuse to accept america couldd destroy the enitre commonwealth+eu alone. Never heard such rubbish in my life. How can america invade iraq for having womd?


Nukes can destroy them. Plain and simple. Your obviously 13-15, shut up, grow up. wow you are dragging Iraq into the arguement, shut up with your anti-america nonsense its useless. Learn that there are things in the world that can't or can not easily be changed and thinking that a EU/Commonwealth Coalition is possible is pure fantasy. Deal with it.

Nukes can destroy them. Plain and simple. Your obviously 13-15, shut up, grow up. wow you are dragging Iraq into the arguement, shut up with your anti-america nonsense its useless. Learn that there are things in the world that can't or can not easily be changed and thinking that a EU/Commonwealth Coalition is possible is pure fantasy. Deal with it.

Same fantasy as "Cutting greenhouses gases is pointless, it would fuck our economy"?

Oh, and in response, us Brits are the masters of sarcasm. You just suck at doing it.

My age isnt a factor here and you have no evidence. My age doesn't have anything to do with what opinions i am aloud. We are aloud a friendly debate, you are not incharge. We all know it won't happen but its interesting to hear peoples opinions on what would happen. Lets Nuke him. Britain fights back. God save the queen.

really.


well when you've got Ohio class Subs with Mirv warheads and our Minuteman III's with MIRV's as well. We may not have the total missiles but yes we can get a lot if not all of them off at once.

and besides if we could only launch 1,000.

whats 1,000 cities( a lot of dead people) so lets just stop with this silly nonsensical arguement.

The US isn't going to war with the Commonwealth + EU, just won't happen. India and Pakistan lack missiles with the range to strike the US, Britain flat out WON'T strike the US so this is all VERY POINTLESS.

Yes. Everyone knows that soon the Irish Project Infestation will be complete and we will overturn every government and install Bertie Ahern as Supreme Ruler of The World And Her Sattellites

My age isnt a factor here and you have no evidence. My age doesn't have anything to do with what opinions i am aloud. We are aloud a friendly debate, you are not incharge. We all know it won't happen but its interesting to hear peoples opinions on what would happen. Lets Nuke him. Britain fights back. God save the queen.
but what you are attempting is called Hijacking and that's a no-no. if you want to debate the EU vs the World. then start another thread. don't hijack this one.

Same fantasy as "Cutting greenhouses gases is pointless, it would fuck our economy"?

Oh, and in response, us Brits are the masters of sarcasm. You just suck at doing it.

What a shout. Who held the G8 summit about poverty and climate change. Like the americans would do that. If it wasnt for us the world would be seriously bad. Britain fights back. God save the queen.

Sweet Jesus!!:eek: That means if the American Star Wars program doesn't shoot them down over Canada they'll just land in Canada!!:eek:

Actually I take that back. From the looks of this senerio it seems Canada is safe. Why? Here's why:

1. Russia will shut of the oil to the EU.
2. Russia will then proceed to launch its fancy new WMDs at EU. These nukes of course will miss and smoke India.
3. They EU, India and the rest of the Commonwealth will then declare war on the US for allowing it's citizens to make sarcastic comments about the differences between the colour of our skin.
4. This will then result in a gobal nuclear war between the EU, the US, India, Russia (cause its shiny new bombs are just so awesome), and the rest of the Commonwealth (We all know that any member of the Commonwealth would die for England).
5. China would find some way to get in there and kick some ass.
6. Canada is safe because nobody takes it seriously and therefore does not pose a major threat to any side.
7. Because Canada is not percieved as a threat no real military action is taken against it; the other nations (unions, commonwealths, whatever...) prefer to use the 5000+ warheads on each other.

but what you are attempting is called Hijacking and that's a no-no. if you want to debate the EU vs the World. then start another thread. don't hijack this one.
We were discussing russias WOMD which is developed into a debate about WOMD and what countries would beat who etc. The same topic but developing.

My age isnt a factor here and you have no evidence. My age doesn't have anything to do with what opinions i am aloud. We are aloud a friendly debate, you are not incharge. We all know it won't happen but its interesting to hear peoples opinions on what would happen. Lets Nuke him. Britain fights back. God save the queen.

Ah yes, I ca see the headlines:
Day 1:BLAIR NUKES BUSH
Day 2: No headlines, as the Americans just wiped England off the face of the earth. Perhaps a few other countries wouls run arcticles on the event, ifthey were having slow news days.

but what you are attempting is called Hijacking and that's a no-no. if you want to debate the EU vs the World. then start another thread. don't hijack this one.


^^^what he said.

well i'm done with this argument, its fruitless and i don't even know why i let myself get drawn into it.


I'm outta here

^^^what he said.

well i'm done with this argument, its fruitless and i don't even know why i let myself get drawn into it.


I'm outta here

America wipes britain of the map. The EU + commonwealth wipes America of the map.

We were discussing russias WOMD which is developed into a debate about WOMD and what countries would beat who etc. The same topic but developing.no, the discussion was about the Soviet's New Missile. not WMD's.

even so, the discussion should not have turned into a [national body] vs the World. for that senario won't happen.

no, the discussion was about the Soviet's New Missile. not WMD's.

even so, the discussion should not have turned into a [national body] vs the World. for that senario won't happen.

We don't have to stay exactly on topic. New missile=womd. I'm goin anyway. Britain foghts back. God save the queen.

i suppose i started it.


I apologize for insulting that aging institution that Britain calls its monarchy.

Oh yeah, about russias new missiles, i'm not concerned, MAD is still in effect.

Actually I take that back. From the looks of this senerio it seems Canada is safe. Why? Here's why:

1. Russia will shut of the oil to the EU.
2. Russia will then proceed to launch its fancy new WMDs at EU. These nukes of course will miss and smoke India.
3. They EU, India and the rest of the Commonwealth will then declare war on the US for allowing it's citizens to make sarcastic comments about the differences between the colour of our skin.
4. This will then result in a gobal nuclear war between the EU, the US, India, Russia (cause its shiny new bombs are just so awesome), and the rest of the Commonwealth (We all know that any member of the Commonwealth would die for England).
5. China would find some way to get in there and kick some ass.
6. Canada is safe because nobody takes it seriously and therefore does not pose a major threat to any side.
7. Because Canada is not percieved as a threat no real military action is taken against it; the other nations (unions, commonwealths, whatever...) prefer to use the 5000+ warheads on each other.

8. Canada, being the only country left, floats happily round the sun, enjoying the new warmer climate it now has, the warmest on earth.

Yea, back onto topic. Not only does this shiny new missile move....it moves really goddamn fast. And it comes laser proof.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/02/10/topol.shtml

We don't have to stay exactly on topic. New missile=womd. I'm goin anyway. Britain foghts back. God save the queen.

Britian tries to fight back, then realises it doesn't really exist anymore. England gets whupped, survivors ask why God did not save the Queen.

Britian tries to fight back, then realises it doesn't really exist anymore. England gets whupped, survivors ask why God did not save the Queen.
America lends aid. Britian becomes the 51st state. :D

America lends aid. Britian becomes the 51st state. :D

That'd certainly mess this up http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466282

Britain would never become the 51st state.

That'd certainly mess this up http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=466282
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Iron-on decal?

Britain would never become the 51st state.
Your right... 52nd... after Canada. [jk] :p :p

Then again, we would probably just take Ireland. ;)

See, nobody takes Canada seriosly. Can't wait for my "Atom Tan".

Yea, back onto topic. Not only does this shiny new missile move....it moves really goddamn fast. And it comes laser proof.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/02/10/topol.shtml

Totally out of subject here, but the most important part of that page was the picking of Miss-Student 2006 in Russia....

taking it with a grain of salt. why? if such a missile was in production, why would it be flaunted with all of it's capabilities? such thinking will get people comming up with ideas on countermeasures.

either it's obsolete already, or it's totally different.

now if it can be proven that Russian journalism is as pervasive as the US/Britians one. then it might be different.

again, people can't recognize a joke.


and so what, russia has a missile that our ABM can't stop, big deal, we have submarines that they can't find.

14 submarines, with 24 missiles with 8 warheads apiece.

wow that 2600 nuclear warheads. Plenty to ruin someones day eh?



Um...there are 20 subs

Hail Mother Russia! *dons Russian military garb and marches around humming military music*

ok lets get this straight: russia is only a threat to the whole world except america, England sucks, we have lots of nukes, canada will be a U.S. state soon, and europe just smells like ass. there happy we win! GO AMERICA!!! and if you live in america and you disagree with me you are unpatriotic and will die a horrible and slow death! ya damn commies





P.S. we should nuke korea, vietnam, and china.......and just for good measures iran too.

England sucks.

On our own we might suck. But united with the rest of the UK, we kick your arse.

On our own we might suck. But united with the rest of the UK, we kick your arse.



ha! you make me laugh we kicked you ass twice already(if my memory of history serves me correctly)! if we do it a third time will you learn your lesson?
oh and you cant even cuss properly: its ass not arse ya twat!

An ass is a donkey. Get your English right. Armor? What the fuck are you on? You won two wars against us, the firstwhen our troops were outnumbered, fighting a foreign power as well as partisans and rebels, and far from home fighting for a cause they had no interest in.

A bit like Vietnam?

You didn't kick "you" ass here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812)

Oh, and if you think you can try beat us again, I would like to see you fight the Commonwealth AND the EU. The US would get it's arse handed it to it.

Russia has powerful bombshells?

http://purelymag.com/features/Miss%20Universe%202005/Miss%20Universe%202005%20-%20Swimwear%20Russia%2001.jpg

While it may work against missiles, it won't work against the Airborne Laser.

Can't dodge it, because the laser moves too quickly.

I would also expect anything maneuvering around at Mach 25 in the atmosphere to be white hot, and at the limits of its material strength. Add a little puff of power from a laser, and the whole warhead vaporizes.
Yeah but Me thinks there would be a bit of an issue with an aiming solution on a hypersonic dodging missile.

Not only is it moving on you but as far as I know laser systems are only so far deployed on rather large clunky airframes such as the 747.

It may not completely rule out a laser shot but I think it would make it significantly harder

Yeah but Me thinks there would be a bit of an issue with an aiming solution on a hypersonic dodging missile.

Not only is it moving on you but as far as I know laser systems are only so far deployed on rather large clunky airframes such as the 747.

It may not completely rule out a laser shot but I think it would make it significantly harder

The 747 would have to be in a position to see it.

I don't think the mirror would have a problem turning to follow, as it's designed for sub-millisecond refocusing.

But better yet, a hypersonic target in atmosphere is already very hot - you don't need as long a dwell time on target to hurt it.

The 747 would have to be in a position to see it.

I don't think the mirror would have a problem turning to follow, as it's designed for sub-millisecond refocusing.

But better yet, a hypersonic target in atmosphere is already very hot - you don't need as long a dwell time on target to hurt it.
Like I said I don't think it is impossible but it makes it much more improbable to hit (or less possible if you don't like “improbable”)

Not only do you reduce the time for fly in of the laser platform you also have a dogging missile moving awfully fast on both a variable altitude and flight path.

I can see how it would complicate things

I wonder how the Russian method of appropriating and designating defense spending compares with that of the U.S.

I sometimes wonder if certain high-end, big-ticket defense projects aren't just a nice subsidy for certain industrial interests. Say, Mr. Jones (or Yuri Richdadovich) has a friend in congress (or the Duma, or whatever Russia has these days), and its all just a way for a lot of money to change hands...

Off topic, I guess. Sorry.

Disregarding Putin huffing and puffing until he blows your house down...

Russia has developed a few neat things in military equipment recently. I doubt they have the money to actually use them in any really meaningful way for any prolonged length of time, but as export articles, who knows?

A single Sunburn Missile with a tactical nuclear warhead could take out a carrier group...

You obviously don't recognize sarcasm when you see it, do you?

I'd realised he was being sarcastic because it was simply too bad to be true. However, people should realise the written word doesn't convey sarcasm.