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should the US cut off all funds going to palestine, and essentially hamas?
The United States will provide no funds to a Palestinian government formed by the Islamist group Hamas, and expects the same from other countries and international institutions, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/13743587.htm

i say yes. it's ridiculous to expect the us to fund a terrorist group, whether or not they have been elected.

should the US cut off all funds going to palestine, and essentially hamas?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/13743587.htm

i say yes. it's ridiculous to expect the us to fund a terrorist group, whether or not they have been elected.
Personally I think the US has the right to do whatever it wants with its money including withdraw it from support.

Democracy is a bitch ya don't always get what you want

Personally I think the US has the right to do whatever it wants with its money including withdraw it from support.

Democracy is a bitch ya don't always get what you want

Yeah, it is our money we can do as we please. However, I think we should only cut funds to the palestinian authority, giving only to Palestinian organizations that Hamas can't touch. Hey, heres an idea, how about we continue to give money but only to Fatah?

Fatah is really no better in the long run than Hamas. The US should fund a new group that is more about forming a new nation that will cooperate with the international community , and not practice terrorism like most of the groups in power in the Palstinian territories.

Well, giving money to the PA is not quite the same as giving money to Hamas. There are rules and regulations regarding the way that money can and cannot be used (although Fatah never thought much of them).

That being said, the EU has said that there are three conditions for money to keep flowing:

1) Accept the right of Israel to exist
2) Renounce violence as a political tool
3) Respect all past arrangements made in the peace process

Of course, except for the first, you could ask the same of Israel.

should the US cut off all funds going to palestine, and essentially hamas?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/13743587.htm

i say yes. it's ridiculous to expect the us to fund a terrorist group, whether or not they have been elected.
Yeah, no funding terrorist organizations on the radar. Time to support a coup and insert a puppet pro-US dictator. I'm sure that will convince the Middle East we kick ass. Yee-haw.

I think the U.S. ought to cut off funding to Israel AND the Palestinian Authority. :)

From the government? Cut all foreign aid, I say.
As for private citizens, they can do as they wish.

We should, however, cut off trade and support to Israel, and praise Hamas’s leaders whenever possible. We can’t win the War on Terror by fighting it like it’s the War on Terrorists. The only thing we can do to assure America’s stability is to get on the Arab World's good side. Appeasement works if you follow through.

Why do nationstates keep pouring free money into the conflict zones in Middle East in the first place? Why do people care about Palestine or Israel so much? Aid should be restricted to sudden disasters, since it's not humanitarian aid but fueling the conflict if it continues.

Why do nationstates keep pouring free money into the conflict zones in Middle East in the first place? Why do people care about Palestine or Israel so much? Aid should be restricted to sudden disasters, since it's not humanitarian aid but fueling the conflict if it continues.
oil? if there was no oil there, what reason do we have to bother the muslims? other than to show our god is better than their god.

Cut the funds. Hamas is a terrorist organization and I refuse for the US to cooperate with terrorists.

I think the U.S. ought to cut off funding to Israel AND the Palestinian Authority. :)

Amen. Truth is I doubt the two can ever peacefully coexist, and I think its perfectly alright for two entities who would rather not exist than coexist to simply duke it out. Sorry, this statemnet is mostly out of frustration with the whole "Its the Holy land, where blood has been spilled for over 2000 years, yet god loves it" thing. Personally, it doesn't chime with intellligent design if you showed anyone reasonable a picture of a) california b) Ireland c) Siberia and then showed them a pic of Canaan-Israel-Palestine and told them it was the chosen land of god they'd have to say your full of shit. We should be funding our own nation more, not foreign nations and their dissidents.

...I refuse for the US to cooperate with terrorists.
A fairly recent development...

Cut the funds. Hamas is a terrorist organization and I refuse for the US to cooperate with terrorists.
*coughIRAcough*

I think the U.S. ought to cut off funding to Israel AND the Palestinian Authority. :)
DING DING DING

We have another winner, folks.

Proceed to the Winner's Circle to your left to collect your prize.

A fairly recent development...
Unfortunately it took for the death of 3,000 innocent lives for them to realize that. :mad:
I don't have that much control over what my government did before I was born and had any say. I *can* control its future.
*coughIRAcough*
See above

Unfortunately it took for the death of 3,000 innocent lives for them to realize that. :mad:
I don't have that much control over what my government did before I was born and had any say. I *can* control its future.

See above

Why? How old are you? Less then ten? Because the US govt was still cooperating with the IRA up until the Good Friday Agreement was signed... and still today.

I don't have that much control over what my government did before I was born and had any say. I *can* control its future.
WOW!! YOU can control your governments' future? You really must be "super-powerful". :rolleyes:

I think the U.S. ought to cut off funding to Israel AND the Palestinian Authority. :)Exactamente.

Yeah, no funding terrorist organizations on the radar. Time to support a coup and insert a puppet pro-US dictator. I'm sure that will convince the Middle East we kick ass. Yee-haw.

see. some people can be logical... you all should be ashamed.

Appeasement works if you follow through.

thank you Mr. Neville Chamberlain

thank you Mr. Neville Chamberlain
Umm, Chamberlain was a dick. He didn’t follow through with appeasement. He was a wishywashy bastard.

It is probably far more appropriate to spend $300 Billion US to fight a war that can't be won, kills 100,000 civilians, destroys their cities and infastructure and results in over 18,000 US casualties. :rolleyes:

From the government? Cut all foreign aid, I say.
As for private citizens, they can do as they wish.

We should, however, cut off trade and support to Israel, and praise Hamas’s leaders whenever possible. We can’t win the War on Terror by fighting it like it’s the War on Terrorists. The only thing we can do to assure America’s stability is to get on the Arab World's good side. Appeasement works if you follow through.

Are you kidding me?? Appeasement? So you're saying give in? Yeah, because that's fair to US! "Oh wow. They are threatening us. Let's bend our knee!" How about we do what we need to do in order to ensure our way of life? Which includes not having to say "I'm sorry" for being an American or "I'm sorry I have a better life than you do". I'm sick and tired of people judging me as an American because of some image they see on TV, or half a story they hear on the news. If Al Qaeda doesn't like us, that's their problem, let them sit in their caves and huts. If the Arabs don't like us, fine, but they sure like the money they get for their oil, don't they? That entire region is filled with hypcorites. They stand and shout "America is the devil!" as they hold their hand out for our US dollars for their oil.

It is probably far more appropriate to spend $300 Billion US to fight a war that can't be won, kills 100,000 civilians, destroys their cities and infastructure and results in over 18,000 US casualties. :rolleyes:

Then rebuilds their entire country, gives us an ally in the region, allows them to vote for the first time in over 35 years..possibly even first time ever, frees an entire country from dictatorship that was known for it's oppression and it's mistreatement of it's citizens, heck, let's just say it, it's TORTURE of it's citizens. Especially those of a different ethnic background or set of beliefs.

Then rebuilds their entire country...
Actually, I thought that idea had been abandoned by now.

*googles*

Yep. No more reconstruction money for brown people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013001494.html

Actually, I thought that idea had been abandoned by now.

*googles*

Yep. No more reconstruction money for brown people.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013001494.html

For brown people??? Alrighty.

Anyway, no more recon. Kinda understandable I guess, considering certain members of their race kept blowing things up.

For brown people??? Alrighty.
I was being sarcastic - I meant to indicate how the Americans who made this decision thought of the Iraqis as so foreign, so far away, that they apparently considered it okay to cut off these people's hopes for a better life for the sake of spending a little bit more on $2 billion planes to drop bombs on people in Iran or Korea.

Are you kidding me?? Appeasement? So you're saying give in? Yeah, because that's fair to US! "Oh wow. They are threatening us. Let's bend our knee!" How about we do what we need to do in order to ensure our way of life? Which includes not having to say "I'm sorry" for being an American or "I'm sorry I have a better life than you do". I'm sick and tired of people judging me as an American because of some image they see on TV, or half a story they hear on the news. If Al Qaeda doesn't like us, that's their problem, let them sit in their caves and huts. If the Arabs don't like us, fine, but they sure like the money they get for their oil, don't they? That entire region is filled with hypcorites. They stand and shout "America is the devil!" as they hold their hand out for our US dollars for their oil.
*Sigh*
The goals of the US and the Arab states need not be mutually exclusive.

Then rebuilds their entire country, gives us an ally in the region, allows them to vote for the first time in over 35 years..possibly even first time ever, frees an entire country from dictatorship that was known for it's oppression and it's mistreatement of it's citizens, heck, let's just say it, it's TORTURE of it's citizens. Especially those of a different ethnic background or set of beliefs.
WOW, you swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker, if you really believe all of that.

I was being sarcastic - I meant to indicate how the Americans who made this decision thought of the Iraqis as so foreign, so far away, that they apparently considered it okay to cut off these people's hopes for a better life for the sake of spending a little bit more on $2 billion planes to drop bombs on people in Iran or Korea.
That’s not fair Leonstein. There are plenty of brown people for them not to care about just south of here.

Not that I care about them, either you see, they’re just good for the economy so I complain to the people who are supposed to care.

*Sigh*
The goals of the US and the Arab states need not be mutually exclusive.


I totally agree. However, us bending to them because they they are a terrorist state is unacceptable. Us bending to them because it's fair, is different. They don't like the Israelies, that's too bad. The UN gave them that land. If the Palestinians have an issue with it, they can go to the UN. Though I don't think the UN is likely to do anything about it.

WOW, you swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker, if you really believe all of that.

LOL. So the Sadam trial where people (some of whom are former victims of his and his sons) are all liars? Nice. Besides, your Canadian. Don't worry about what we do with our money down here.

That’s not fair Leonstein. There are plenty of brown people for them not to care about just south of here.

Not that I care about them, either you see, they’re just good for the economy so I complain to the people who are supposed to care.

Would I end up in hades if I said I found that amusing?

LOL. So the Sadam trial where people (some of whom are former victims of his and his sons) are all liars? Nice. Besides, your Canadian. Don't worry about what we do with our money down here.
I wasn't referring to the Saddam part of your statement. I was referring to your suggestion that the US was going to rebuild Iraq and that somehow because of an election, the government of Iraq was going to magically become an ally of the US.

Iraqis want US out as soon as possible: US commander (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=78921)

However, an opinion survey conducted in Iraq in October and November by ABC News and a pool of other US and foreign media outlets showed that despite some improvements in security and living standards, US military operations in the country were increasingly unpopular.

Two-thirds of those polled said they opposed the presence of US and coalition forces in Iraq, up 14 points from a similar survey taken in February 2004.

Nearly 60 percent disapproved of the way the United States has operated in Iraq since the war began in March 2003, with most of those expressing "strong disapproval," the poll found.

Yup, sounds like the beginning of a long and loving relationship alright.

I think the U.S. ought to cut off funding to Israel AND the Palestinian Authority. :)
Er, FOURTHED, apparently.
:)

Would I end up in hades if I said I found that amusing?
WhoTF cares? But if you DO have Hades in mind, keep it with you, to yourself. Don't spread it like a VD.