NationStates Jolt Archive

I don't like the way the American administration is/was/and seemingly forever will be limiting other nations. Now, I understand that war is stupid and that some nations might develop nuclear weapons for devious purposes, but I don't like the idea that they can't develop a nuclear program for energy... well, I don't like the idea of nuclear energy because I'm a tree-hugging hippy, but that's beside the point. I think the power that America dangles over the world to basically stop any developing nation from creating a form of sustainable energy purely because of it's paranoia is stupid.

I know, I know, I'm naive. I'm woefully ignorant and am in desperate need of education on the subject.

I don't like the way the American administration is/was/and seemingly forever will be limiting other nations. Now, I understand that war is stupid and that some nations might develop nuclear weapons for devious purposes, but I don't like the idea that they can't develop a nuclear program for energy... well, I don't like the idea of nuclear energy because I'm a tree-hugging hippy, but that's beside the point. I think the power that America dangles over the world to basically stop any developing nation from creating a form of sustainable energy purely because of it's paranoia is stupid.

I know, I know, I'm naive. I'm woefully ignorant and am in desperate need of education on the subject.
Well, at least you got the last sentance correct. ;)

The nuclear non-proliferation treaty was signed by all but about eight of the world's nations, as I recall. It makes perfect sense to preclude the spread of nuclear weapons.

Imagine a neighborhood where every homeowner has planted a block of C-4 plastic explosive under every other neighbor's house and has a trigger to detonate any ( or ALL! ) of them on a moment's notice. Scared yet?

FUCK YEAH! :cool:

Scared yet?

Not really. I'm not really bothered by dying or anyone else dying. I'm heartlessy ignorant.

FUCK YEAH! :cool:

Durka Durka!

Well, at least you got the last sentance correct. ;)

The nuclear non-proliferation treaty was signed by all but about eight of the world's nations, as I recall. It makes perfect sense to preclude the spread of nuclear weapons.

Imagine a neighborhood where every homeowner has planted a block of C-4 plastic explosive under every other neighbor's house and has a trigger to detonate any ( or ALL! ) of them on a moment's notice. Scared yet?

Or even worse...where three homeowners have planted their own blocks of C-4 under every one of their neighbour's houses, and each one of the three has their own trigger to detonate any, or indeed all, at a moments notice.

Oh...wait...there's no imagining needed.

Wait a minute, I do have a block of C-4 under my neighbers houses!!! :D Have a nice day.

yes but is that preferable to having a single person with c4 under all our houses and they've already blown one up in the past

Durka Durka!
Mohammed Jihad

*does the secret handshake all terrorists have*

Well, at least you got the last sentance correct. ;)

The nuclear non-proliferation treaty was signed by all but about eight of the world's nations, as I recall. It makes perfect sense to preclude the spread of nuclear weapons.

Imagine a neighborhood where every homeowner has planted a block of C-4 plastic explosive under every other neighbor's house and has a trigger to detonate any ( or ALL! ) of them on a moment's notice. Scared yet?

I think you missed the point of the first post, it was attacking the apparent US attempts to stop other countries *cough*Iran*cough* from getting nuclear power for peaceful means such as powering the country.

IIRC the non-proliferation treaty actually guarantees the signatorees the right to develop nuclear power for civilian means.

yes but is that preferable to having a single person with c4 under all our houses and they've already blown one up in the past
Can you say "justifiable homicide," boys and girls? :p

Mohammed Jihad

*does the secret handshake all terrorists have*

*shoots missile*

Surprise Cockface!

No one has a problem with nations using nuclear energy. That's not the concern that America and other states have. The concern is that some states will use their nuclear energy programs to develop a weapons program.

Iran is the obvious example here. Here is a country that is sitting on arguably the worlds largest petroleum reserves - what do they need a nuclear energy program for? Environmental issues don't seem to be a part of the agenda.

If they were simply using their program to generate energy, no one would have an issue. But enriching the uranium themselves, when that has an obvious dual use for weapons, makes no sense, particularly when the Russians have offered to provide them with fuel for reactors.

It's in everyone's interest to limit the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that's why the UN has been doing that.

I think you missed the point of the first post, it was attacking the apparent US attempts to stop other countries *cough*Iran*cough* from getting nuclear power for peaceful means such as powering the country.

IIRC the non-proliferation treaty actually guarantees the signatorees the right to develop nuclear power for civilian means.
Iran is a "rogue state" and the chances that it would develop nuclear weapons under cover of "civilian uses" approaches infinity as a limit.

Iran is a "rogue state"

Iran isn't the one going round lying in order to convince people to invade middle eastern countries.

Iran is a "rogue state" and the chances that it would develop nuclear weapons under cover of "civilian uses" approaches infinity as a limit.
At least the Americans were honest and bombed the hell out of Japan :rolleyes:

Iran is a "rogue state" and the chances that it would develop nuclear weapons under cover of "civilian uses" approaches infinity as a limit.

Yes but refusing to give them any kind of nuclear power would:

1. Be hypocritical and enhance the reputation of western countries of having one law for themselves and one for the arab world.
2. Lead to an increase in oil prices.
3. Increase the power of fundamentalists in Iran, one of the main reasons why fundamentalists are in power now is that the general populace voted for them to defy western accusations of being 'evil' and ordering Iran to change its ways.
4. Who are Iran going to nuke anyway? They can't get Israel without destroying Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock, which they're not going to do.

While Iran may not use Nukes themselves, they will have no quams with selling Nuclear dirty bombs to terrorist.

America--

All your jobs are belong to us!

Love,

WalCHINAmart

America--

All your jobs are belong to us!

Love,

WalCHINAmart

Don't forget India. God I hate outsourcing.

While Iran may not use Nukes themselves, they will have no quams with selling Nuclear dirty bombs to terrorist.

Dirty bombs are near harmless, the explosion spreads the radioactive material over a laughably large area so it's so well distributed that it would do no real damage. The real danger would come from panicking people who've been taken in by government scare stories about 'ZOMG TEH PPH33R5OME D1RTY 80M8!!1!'.

Dirty bombs are near harmless, the explosion spreads the radioactive material over a laughably large area so it's so well distributed that it would do no real damage. The real danger would come from panicking people who've been taken in by government scare stories about 'ZOMG TEH PPH33R5OME D1RTY 80M8!!1!'.

You DO realize that they can set off more than one dirty bomb in an area right? They're called suitcase bombs for a reason! They can be transported in and out of cities without any problems!

While Iran may not use Nukes themselves, they will have no quams with selling Nuclear dirty bombs to terrorist.

If you want a dirty bomb fine I could have knocked you up with one from the stuff my old highschool had (I believe the radioactive stuff (of which there was supprising amounts) was in a cupboard with a padlock which just held the door closed....)

also I read your message and got the impression that there was only one terrorist, a bit like british officers used to describe the german army as the Hun (singular). Just for the record i'm not taking the piss as I can see what you meant its just funny to me.

You DO realize that they can set off more than one dirty bomb in an area right? They're called suitcase bombs for a reason! They can be transported in and out of cities without any problems!

OMG! Now instead of a large area getting a negligable dose of radiation we could have... a large area getting a tiny dose of radiation! Or even a huge area getting a negligable dose of radiation!!! Run for the hills!!! The hills!!!

Nukes are bad... Think about it... Would YOU send your troops into a country, after you've pumped it with radioactive goo...?

Nukes are bad... Think about it... Would YOU send your troops into a country, after you've pumped it with radioactive goo...?

Yeah, I say we ban nukes...

Exactly... I'm strongly against the use of tactical longrange warheads... Instead, we should focus on massive tank force, training of elite infantry, and having the most impressive battleships on the seven seas!

Exactly... I'm strongly against the use of tactical longrange warheads... Instead, we should focus on massive tank force, training of elite infantry, and having the most impressive battleships on the seven seas!

I'm against violence. Maybe we should just commit omnicide and let nature start over again.

I'm against violence. Maybe we should just commit omnicide and let nature start over again.

But then we die. And I don't think most of the people in this world want to die.

We just need a new world order... A banner everyone can unite under... Then we shall CRUSH those alien scums who tries to beam up our cows!

At least the Americans were honest and bombed the hell out of Japan :rolleyes:

And the Brits for bombing the hell out of Germany. And Germany bombing the hell of out Britain and Russia and France.

A lot of people roll out the old question, why does Iran need nuclear energy when it has oil and gas?

The output of those industries are in decline in Iran, as they are globally. The UK had plenty natural gas, now it needs a second generation of nuclear power plants just to keep its grid from collapsing. And to use the US as just one example, it was the world's biggest oil producer and exporter, at roughly the same time as it commenced its civilian nuclear program. The US hates Iranian energy policy because Iran learnt from the mistakes of others, and is acting with foresight. America really is the last country anyone would consult on energy planning.

A lot of people roll out the old question, why does Iran need nuclear energy when it has oil and gas?

The output of those industries are in decline in Iran, as they are globally. The UK had plenty natural gas, now it needs a second generation of nuclear power plants just to keep its grid from collapsing. And to use the US as just one example, it was the world's biggest oil producer and exporter, at roughly the same time as it commenced its civilian nuclear program. The US hates Iranian energy policy because Iran learnt from the mistakes of others, and is acting with foresight. America really is the last country anyone would consult on energy planning.

Yeah, but with the rate at which the Western world consumes oil and gas, that source of energy might not be around for a lot longer. I say the West should spend more time dealing with finding ways to create energy less wastefully (which I'm sure they're doing, anyway) instead of complaining about gas prices.

Iran is a "rogue state"
All they had to do is look at the US and then copy it.