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I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)

That's probably not enough to make you an anti-Semite, but it's plenty to make you batshit insane.

That's probably not enough to make you an anti-Semite, but it's plenty to make you batshit insane.
as opposed to the batshit crazy zionist jews?

If you're not an anti-semite, at least you're the angriest poster on NS.

That's probably not enough to make you an anti-Semite, but it's plenty to make you batshit insane.



LOL! I agree.:)

No, you're just an asshole. :)

If you're not an anti-semite, at least you're the angriest poster on NS.
No he's not, don't be fooled by this rational exterior. Inside I am a seething pit of rage and, er . . . other rage.

And, Undelia, you are most definitely an Odd Bird, but not really an anti-semite.

No he's not, don't be fooled by this rational exterior. Inside I am a seething pit of rage and, er . . . other rage.
Really, I've always imagined you as kindof cuddly.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)

I know crazy when I see it. I've been running the crazy race for a long time. And you, my fine fucked-up friend, have lapped me. :p

No he's not, don't be fooled by this rational exterior. Inside I am a seething pit of rage and, er . . . other rage.

And, Undelia, you are most definitely an Odd Bird, but not really an anti-semite.

Hey wait! That's not rage! It's grape jelly! LIAR!!!

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)

You sound like somebody who would fall for Neo-Nazi lies and propaganda, yet you wouldnt nessesarily be the one preaching it.

You would be a good Arab.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

Doesn't make you anti-Semitic, just makes you an advocate of nuclear war. To each his own, I suppose.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

So "the Jews" are a monolithic bloc? That sentiment is indeed anti-Semitic. It would be accurate, and not anti-Semitic, to say that some Jews ignore the multitude of victims of the Holocaust, and the multitude of genocides that have occurred across the planet, to score political points.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

It depends, firstly, on how ignorant you are. Not all Holocaust deniers are anti-Semitic, just a very large proportion. It also depends on how much you think they were exaggerated. As for whether or not the US had a moral obligation to stop the Holocaust, that is a philosophical question irrelevant to your anti-Semitism, unless you are inconsistent.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

Since Jews are a pretty influential group politically, I think it is reasonable to state that they have disproportionate influence on the neocons, plenty of whom are Jewish - but it must also be pointed out that they have a disproportionate influence on the radical left (Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky) and the libertarian right (Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand). The only place where Jews are rare is the Buchananite Right, for obvious reasons.

No he's not, don't be fooled by this rational exterior. Inside I am a seething pit of rage and, er . . . other rage.

And, Undelia, you are most definitely an Odd Bird, but not really an anti-semite.
Well, if there’s one person’s opinion I can trust, its Fiddlebottoms.
No, you're just an asshole.:)
:D

If you're not an anti-semite, at least you're the angriest poster on NS.

*nods*

nah, anti-semitic is a few steps further, like pushing them over because they think that they're the only ones around. you have views, and views make the world go. not a big problem.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)
At first I was going to say yes. Than I realized that you managed to claim that Jews have control of the neocons, and I realized you were just joking.

Sometimes the genuine suffering of the Jewish people is exploited as a "Do Not Question Us" blank check by NeoCons. Which is a sad thing, because it will eventually dull the impact that the tragedies have.

If you're not an anti-semite, at least you're the angriest poster on NS.
I do believe that would have been Lyric. Or Roach Busters, never had many encounters with him, thankfully.

Really, I've always imagined you as kindof cuddly.
It's a cuddly rage. Like a teddy bear stuffed with plastic explosive.

Am I anti-Semitic? depends..

Do you dislike Arab looking people?

Nope, you're just quite mildly anti-Jew, not anti-Semitic. Yes, there is a difference, anti-Semitism is rejecting the Jews based purely on their hertiage and your own bigotry while anti-Jew-ism is just rejecting or disagreeing with their actions and ideals and opinions and such.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

Invading Israel, the lone bastion of freedom and democracy in the Middle East, would qualify as batshit stupid. The Arab world would STILL hate us. (they hate westerners almost as much as they hate jews, they'd just be stoked that we're killing each other) And Israel isn't exactly a pushover. They are a nuclear power who happens to have arguably the best trained armed forces in the world, not to mention state of the art American equipment.
I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.
Although it is true those other groups were persectued, they were not exterminated with the ferocity and to the extent that the jewish population was. And I have never heard a jewish person "selling himself" as a victim of the holocaust.
I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.
Try visiting the remnants of a concentration camp, or view photo's of mass graves, or do something to wake up from whatever delusion you are suffering from. Even granting that the actual numbers may be inaccurate, they are still easily in the millions. I won't even comment on the "moral obligation" because I won't be able to stop myself from suggesting that you are a neo-nazi.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

You have obviously been had by propoganda. The "vast-jewish conspiracy" would be such a joke, if people didn't seriously believe it. Regardless, the neo-cons may be powerful, but I would not consider them the most powerful group in America, let alone the world. And don't forget, that the neo-cons in general are Christian.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?
I think you have been misled to believe some very erroneous things. Pseudo-scholarly work (revisionist history) is dangerous because it has the appearance of being factual or properly researched. I don't know what you have read or whom you have spoken to, but I would like to remind you that propoganda from people such as neo-nazis can have the appearance of being legit. After all, arabs were shocked when Al Jazeera showed people celebrating the fall of Saddam. They had been inundated with so much anti-western information, that they couldn't believe that Saddam was a bad guy at all.

I don't think you are an anti-semite, but you are suffering from misinformation and are dangerously close to sounding like a nazi apologist.

Although it is true those other groups were persectued, they were not exterminated with the ferocity and to the extent that the jewish population was. And I have never heard a jewish person "selling himself" as a victim of the holocaust.



I agree with you about the rest, but I do remember reading somewhere that per capita, the Gypsies actually lost more people in the Holocaust than the Jews. Bear in mind, the populations weren't exactly equal. And the Gypsies in Europe are still subject to disgusting levels of discrimination.

*Seal clapping*

You sound like somebody who would fall for Neo-Nazi lies and propaganda, yet you wouldnt nessesarily be the one preaching it.

You would be a good Arab.

See, that's one thing about American right wingers I just don't get. How can they see any minor criticism of Israel or the "Holocaust industry" (Which a lot of Jews have criticised themselves) as anti-semetism and Neo Nazi esque, then be so racist against arabs? Haven't you ever thought to yourself "Hmm...maybe, if I think it's wrong to generalise about Jewish people, I should think the same about arabs?"

Or does it just not occur to you, since you believe that objectively the Jewish are a better race than them "Damn durty sand niggers, hyuck hyuck hyuck"

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.
Extreme. I hope that this wouldn't involve genocide. Maybe we'll get a book taked onto the Troah.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.
No, just the more ignorant ones. The Jewish community in my town held a meeting for a Holocaust anniversary that I attended. They joked about it, and made a point that more Poles died than Jews.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.
If I may express myself freely: What?

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.
No, its the Neo-Conservative's dogma coupled with their saftey in Jesus.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?
Well, yeah, to some people. However, your anger is more towards Americas and the international community for creating an Israel that is primarily a Jewish state. That is slowly going to be changing now, as the Israelies have realized that they cannot exist as a purely Jewish state.

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)[/QUOTE]
That's funny. :p

Be careful what you post around here - the mods will ban you for posting anything other than the lastest GOP party line.

Be careful what you post around here - the mods will ban you for posting anything other than the lastest GOP party line.

Just be quiet. They hear you.

I'd need more information.

You express views that are consistent with anti-Semitism.

You express yourself in ways that are consistent with anti-Semitism.

But other than your using the term "the Jews" as if they had a hive mind, nothing you said is in and of itself anti-Semitic.

On the other hand, you are batshit crazy. ;)

Be careful what you post around here - the mods will ban you for posting anything other than the lastest GOP party line.

Meh. Others complain the Mods enforce a liberal viewpoint. The truth is there are Mods of practically all political persuasions and none of them give a damn about your posts if they stay within the rules. (Unless, of course, you are lucky enough to interest one in a discussion. In which case, they will merely answer your post.)

Meh. Others complain the Mods enforce a liberal viewpoint. The truth is there are Mods of practically all political persuasions and none of them give a damn about your posts if they stay within the rules. (Unless, of course, you are lucky enough to interest one in a discussion. In which case, they will merely answer your post.)
I was quoted my a Mod once! Or my name was mentioned...anyhow, yeah! :D

You sound like somebody who would fall for Neo-Nazi lies and propaganda, yet you wouldnt nessesarily be the one preaching it.

You would be a good Arab.

Speaking of anti-Semitism....

WTF?

I agree with you about the rest, but I do remember reading somewhere that per capita, the Gypsies actually lost more people in the Holocaust than the Jews. Bear in mind, the populations weren't exactly equal. And the Gypsies in Europe are still subject to disgusting levels of discrimination.I think the European Gypsies were completely killed off.

See, that's one thing about American right wingers I just don't get. How can they see any minor criticism of Israel or the "Holocaust industry" (Which a lot of Jews have criticised themselves) as anti-semetism and Neo Nazi esque, then be so racist against arabs? Haven't you ever thought to yourself "Hmm...maybe, if I think it's wrong to generalise about Jewish people, I should think the same about arabs?"

Or does it just not occur to you, since you believe that objectively the Jewish are a better race than them "Damn durty sand niggers, hyuck hyuck hyuck"

You can generalize against Jews all you want, well in America, I beleive in Europe its pretty much illegal to do that, but to put Jews, no not Jews, ANYBODY and arabs on the same level, is just unthinkable.

First of all, Jews are not a race, nor do I think Jews any better than Christians. Second of all, Jews have not come out in the public and said, "We want to wipe the A-rabs off the map". Arabs vote in known terrorists, support terrorists, hold "holocaust discussion" meetings, and have a goal to slaughter all the Jews. Although, to be honest its not just Jews they hate, its anyone who isnt muslim. Anyway until you go to the middle east and experience the arabs first hand, I would not expect you to understand.

Note: I am obviously talking about arabs in the middle east, not an American who is of arab background.

And as for my "you would make a good arab" statement. Thats easy, arab governments support Hiterlish and neo-nazi propaganda and lies and spread them among the A-rab world, like holocaust denail. The arab citizens may not spread the bullshit, but they do fall for it because it is shoved down their throats.

I think the European Gypsies were completely killed off.

I know one gypsie, hes really weird. I think hes inbred. :eek:

Anyway from what I understand Gypsies were the scum of Europe. They were theives and murderes and all that.

Not that that makes killing them any more understandable, just saying.

Speaking of anti-Semitism....

WTF?

Thats easy, arab governments support Hiterlish and neo-nazi propaganda and lies and spread them among the A-rab world, like holocaust denail. The arab citizens may not spread the bullshit, but they do fall for it because it is shoved down their throats.

but to put Jews, no not Jews, ANYBODY and arabs on the same level, is just unthinkable.
There goes equality. Hope you're conscient that you'd be the kind of bastard your founding fathers would have fought. Great to see you honor them by being a xenophobic idiot.

Second of all, Jews have not come out in the public and said, "We want to wipe the A-rabs off the map".
Ah no? You must have missed some of that 70-80's Israelian propaganda. But I'd simply answer: they're not saying it, they're doing it, by further enslaving the palestinian people.

Arabs vote in known terrorists, support terrorists, hold "holocaust discussion" meetings, and have a goal to slaughter all the Jews. Although, to be honest its not just Jews they hate, its anyone who isnt muslim.
You also happen to vote in known terrorists but you don't even know so... hell! Your government has been supporting terrorists all over the world since WWII, if only to keep your supremacy. Hell, it has been proved and re-proved that the US-of-A backed (financed and trained) Bin Laden when he was fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

I'd like you to prove the fact that all (or even an important minority, please!) arabs hold "holocaust discussion meetings" and "have a goal to slaughter all the Jews". Evidently, spitting generalities here and there is easier. Anyway until you go to a philosophy class and experience real rhetoric first hand, I would not expect you to understand.

The arab citizens may not spread the bullshit, but they do fall for it because it is shoved down their throats.
Yeah, keep thinking you're so superior and project your own stupidity onto others. Some neocoon cabal have been spreading lies from a white house (no maj) and the corporate media just repeats it and you can't even see through, much like a majority of americans, thinkin' as you are that you're some tough shit, going to beat the hell out of some dumb sand niggahs, eh? Oil. Repeat after me: we're fighting an imperialist war for oil. Isn't anti-semitism supposed to be illegal?

That's probably not enough to make you an anti-Semite, but it's plenty to make you batshit insane.

Well put, my sentiments exactly

Well put, my sentiments exactly

Seconded.

After Undelia's comments in the FDR thread that the US should not have aided in stopping the holocaust in Europe because it was in Europe and therefore none of the US's business, I find him/her batshit insane and morally objectionable.

Tell you what - if a tyrant/dictator comes to power in the US and starts rounding up various minorities, or even majorities, and starts gassing them, shooting them, persecuting them and generally trying to wipe them from existence - I'll just sit back and do nothing. After all, millions are dying, but what the hell - its not my country, is it?

As for the belief that the Holocaust figures are debateable - that disgusts me. The six million figure is exact, the germans kept impeccable records, and the statements and evidence found by the allies only further supports this figure.

That's probably not enough to make you an anti-Semite, but it's plenty to make you batshit insane.

*seconded*

(or probably more like one-hundred-seconded by now)

There goes equality. Hope you're conscient that you'd be the kind of bastard your founding fathers would have fought. Great to see you honor them by being a xenophobic idiot.


Ah no? You must have missed some of that 70-80's Israelian propaganda. But I'd simply answer: they're not saying it, they're doing it, by further enslaving the palestinian people.


You also happen to vote in known terrorists but you don't even know so... hell! Your government has been supporting terrorists all over the world since WWII, if only to keep your supremacy. Hell, it has been proved and re-proved that the US-of-A backed (financed and trained) Bin Laden when he was fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

I'd like you to prove the fact that all (or even an important minority, please!) arabs hold "holocaust discussion meetings" and "have a goal to slaughter all the Jews". Evidently, spitting generalities here and there is easier. Anyway until you go to a philosophy class and experience real rhetoric first hand, I would not expect you to understand.


Yeah, keep thinking you're so superior and project your own stupidity onto others. Some neocoon cabal have been spreading lies from a white house (no maj) and the corporate media just repeats it and you can't even see through, much like a majority of americans, thinkin' as you are that you're some tough shit, going to beat the hell out of some dumb sand niggahs, eh? Oil. Repeat after me: we're fighting an imperialist war for oil. Isn't anti-semitism supposed to be illegal?

rofl, you're so dead wrong.

if we're fighting for oil, THEN WHY AREN'T OUR GAS PRICES GOING DOWN? HUH?

WHY ISN'T OUR SUPPLY SKYROCKETING?

because you know, when demand is more or less inelastic and supply increases, prices tend to drop. So obviously, our supply hasn't increased. So obviously, we're not taking Iraqi oil. So obviously, your hate speech is not plausible.

And what of Haliburton? Can anyone else do the job as well?

And even if yes, we need payment in some form... so Haliburton makes money for their stockholders, so their workers keep their jobs, etc.

you have nothing to prove that this is for oil. rofl. the numbers do not support it. It just shows how desperate you are to back up your blind hatred of President Bush.

Another thing: If Palestinians want to keep from being massacred, they need to tell the batshit insane (love that phrase) Palestinian terrorists to quit targeting Israeli women and children. Something tells me that if terrorists stop killing indiscriminately, that the organized military will stop targeting the terrorists.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but I'm getting fairly sick of two things (of many. hehe):

1)Bush- and America-haters claiming that we're there for oil, when that is so patently false and obviously so given our non-falling gas prices...

2)Terrorist sympathisers supporting the arbitrary killing of women and children. Stop that, and Israel will stop killing Palestinians. If you want to fight with honor and target the military, that's one thing. I still wouldn't support Palestine trying to take the promised land away from Israelis, but at least they'd be fighting more honorably.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

Just a small point really but, I would say that it was the Russians who were the real victims of WWII.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.
Erm... Doing so would be supporting the cause of the 'American "Christian" Far Right', which I personally find somewhat morally reprehensible in itself anyway, and would probably find no consolation from the Islamic people either. Not so much antisemitic as much generally self-serving evil, there.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.
Stereotype, but fair comment.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated
Also fair comment.
... and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.
America has no moral obligations whatsoever. It's Humanity that had, and still has, the moral obligation to halt genocide. If by that statement you mean "We shouldn't have bothered", I would say yours is the nationalistic, self-serving mindset that led to the Holocaust in the first place.

Again, morally unjustifiable, though not specifically antisemitic.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.
Hohoho. I can see why you'd say that, but it's not the way you think. Neocons are disproportionately that form of Paulite Christianity which has Judaistic theology backed up by a new, improved, imperialistic drive in Our Lord Jesus Christ. It may seem like they're Jews, but they're actually just Bigots.

Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?
Worse than that. You're akin to the Neocons in your attitudes. I'd be more worried about that, if I were you.

I know one gypsie, hes really weird. I think hes inbred.

Anyway from what I understand Gypsies were the scum of Europe. They were theives and murderes and all that.

Not that that makes killing them any more understandable, just saying.


Did you learn that from Adolf Hitler?

Honestly?

This coming from the same frothy mouthed racist who thinks arabs are scum...

Its hard to see how you can be taken seriously criticizing racism in someone else.

in my delete reason above, mind should be mean. lol, i cnat tipe

Did you learn that from Adolf Hitler?

Honestly?

This coming from the same frothy mouthed racist who thinks arabs are scum...

Its hard to see how you can be taken seriously criticizing racism in someone else.

were gypsies an actual race/ethnicity?

if so, where did they come from... Romania? Albania? Greece?

were gypsies an actual race/ethnicity?

if so, where did they come from... Romania? Albania? Greece?
The Gypsies come from India. They weren't exterminated in WW2, they had a special status (they were considered Arians, too), and now they represent a significant proportion of the population in the Eastern European countries.

if we're fighting for oil, THEN WHY AREN'T OUR GAS PRICES GOING DOWN? HUH?

WHY ISN'T OUR SUPPLY SKYROCKETING?
Because the oil companies are cashing in, keeping the savings for themselves. Watch the news, they're making record profits every quarter... With a relatively inelastic demand and basically zero competition among companies, they have no reason to lower prices unless the gov't gives them one (anti-trust, collusion, etc.).

As to the original poster...eh, if you're asking, then probably not. Anti-Semitism is more of an active hatred. Though I don't think we need to invade Israel, cutting off the US$5 billion per year in "loans" that are invariably forgiven as they come due should be quite sufficient.

The Gypsies come from India. They weren't exterminated in WW2, they had a special status (they were considered Arians, too), and now they represent a significant proportion of the population in the Eastern European countries.

Wait wait wait...what are you talking about. Go read a book. You have no idea what your saying. Gypies werent considered Aryans at all!! They did not have a special status and were also slaughtered in the holocaust.

Anyway as for the India thing I think thats also false. I beleive Gypies are Romas....from Romania....I heard that somewhere once.

Also...they dont represent a significant eastern European population..theres not too many Gypies left. Slavs represent part of the eastern European population.

were gypsies an actual race/ethnicity?

if so, where did they come from... Romania? Albania? Greece?

See my post #49.

Did you learn that from Adolf Hitler?

Honestly?

This coming from the same frothy mouthed racist who thinks arabs are scum...

Its hard to see how you can be taken seriously criticizing racism in someone else.

And yet...after all that garbage you just posted, you still didnt say whether or not the Gypies really were criminals....:rolleyes:

Wait wait wait...what are you talking about. Go read a book. You have no idea what your saying. Gypies werent considered Aryans at all!! They did not have a special status and were also slaughtered in the holocaust.

Anyway as for the India thing I think thats also false. I beleive Gypies are Romas....from Romania....I heard that somewhere once.

Also...they dont represent a significant eastern European population..theres not too many Gypies left. Slavs represent part of the eastern European population.



You should learn about gypsies.

Roma and Romania arent related.

Its outrageously ridiculous that you criticize racism in people.

And yet...after all that garbage you just posted, you still didnt say whether or not the Gypies really were criminals....:rolleyes:


They were criminals to the same extent that jews were, in the eyes of your pals the SS.

You sound like somebody who would fall for Neo-Nazi lies and propaganda, yet you wouldnt nessesarily be the one preaching it.

You would be a good Arab.whetter some people likes it or not.. Arabs are indeed Semites...

So that makes you an Anti-semite.

You should learn about gypsies.

Roma and Romania arent related.

Its outrageously ridiculous that you criticize racism in people.

Ok, Your right, Roma and Romania dont have to to with each other, but as you said...I just spent time to learn about the gypies and I was right. They are nomadic peoples who refuse to integrate into soceity. They are criminals, often being theives. They are also racist. It says that if you go into their houses, you are not allowed to use their toilet if you are a non gypsy.

"Roma communities are known to have customs that are considered by some to be racist. In some Gypsy settlements, for example, non-Gypsies are not allowed to use the same toilet and washing facilities as Gypsies."

Also...they are a burden on the soceities they live in.

According to The Guardian (January 8, 2003):

"In the Czech Republic, 75% of Roma children are educated in schools for people with learning difficulties, and 70% are unemployed (compared with a national rate of 9%). In Hungary, 44% of Roma children are in special schools, while 74% of men and 83% of women are unemployed. In Slovakia, Roma children are 28 times as likely to be sent to a special school than non-Roma; Roma unemployment stands at 80%."

And...."there are still tensions between the Roma and the majority population around them. Common complaints are that Roma steal and live off social welfare.

Again a burden on soceity.

"In some countries, dependence on social security systems is part of the problem. For some Roma families, it may be preferable to live on social security, compared to low-paid jobs. That creates many new problems: anger against Roma, conditions that produce crime, and extreme sensitivity to changes in social security. A good example of the latter is Slovakia, where reduction of social security (a family is paid allowance only for the first three children) led to brief civil disorder in several Roma villages."

All according to the beautiful Wiki and its findings. Beautiful Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people)

So it seems like I was right about everything except them being from Romania...they were orginally from North India...you were correct about that. Congrats.

Anyway, it seems like all this shit about the gypies could easily disappear if they just.......*GASP* integrated into society *GASP*

It seems like the Nazis werent the only ones to think these things, unless of course you think that Wikipedia is a Nazi source....:rolleyes:

They were criminals to the same extent that jews were, in the eyes of your pals the SS.

So Wiki is, according to you, run by the SS?

*Sits back and watches, eating popcorn*

I hope he starts trying justify the genocide of homosexuals as well.

Naaah. Your not Anti-Semetic. Yes some jews do tend to talk like they were the only victims of the holocaust. keyword being SOME. As long as you dont think ALL jews try to sell themselves, tis ok! like i think all but 1 republicans should be shot! :D i've yet to find the 1 though...

*Sits back and watches, eating popcorn*

I hope he starts trying justify the genocide of homosexuals as well.

If you noticed, in post 35 I said "Not that that makes killing them any more understandable, just saying."

I am not justifying anything.

Stop trying to instigate. :p

So Wiki is, according to you, run by the SS?


Will your final solution for the gypsie "criminal" "burden on society" involve mass graves or ovens, Herr Hauptmann?

If you even have to ask the question, the answer is yes.

If you noticed, in post 35 I said "Not that that makes killing them any more understandable, just saying."

I am not justifying anything.

Stop trying to instigate. :p

Well, it just seems a bit strange that you brought it up if not to at least partially downplay the genocide of the gypsies.

If I said "Well, in some ways the Jews were being greedy, and were at least a little responsible for the poverty of some Germans" or something, wouldn't you think it a little inappropriate? Can't you see the similarity?

And yet...after all that garbage you just posted, you still didnt say whether or not the Gypies really were criminals....:rolleyes:
From Wiki on the Roma people:

"Wherever they arrived in Europe, initial curiosity was followed with hostility and xenophobia which have persisted ever since. Roma were enslaved for five centuries in Romania until abolition in 1864. Elsewhere in Europe, they faced a variety of hostile treatment, from exclusion or expulsion from many lands to abduction of their children and forced labor."

"Today in Eastern Europe, they often choose to live in depressed squatter communities with very high unemployment, while only some are fully integrated in the society. However, in some cases—notably the Kalderash clan in Romania, who work as traditional coppersmiths—they have prospered. Although some Roma still embrace a nomadic lifestyle, most migration is actually forced, as most communities are not accepting Romani settlements in their neighbourhoods."

So, yeah. They were all criminals and they should have just applied for a job.

*Sits back and watches, eating popcorn*

I hope he starts trying justify the genocide of homosexuals as well.
Homosexuals are criminals. They stole my bike.

From Wiki on the Roma people:

"Wherever they arrived in Europe, initial curiosity was followed with hostility and xenophobia which have persisted ever since. Roma were enslaved for five centuries in Romania until abolition in 1864. Elsewhere in Europe, they faced a variety of hostile treatment, from exclusion or expulsion from many lands to abduction of their children and forced labor."

"Today in Eastern Europe, they often choose to live in depressed squatter communities with very high unemployment, while only some are fully integrated in the society. However, in some cases—notably the Kalderash clan in Romania, who work as traditional coppersmiths—they have prospered. Although some Roma still embrace a nomadic lifestyle, most migration is actually forced, as most communities are not accepting Romani settlements in their neighbourhoods."

So, yeah. They were all criminals and they should have just applied for a job.

You just picked one part out of the whole articule...read the rest of the articule or look at my post of it on page four.

Well, it just seems a bit strange that you brought it up if not to at least partially downplay the genocide of the gypsies.

If I said "Well, in some ways the Jews were being greedy, and were at least a little responsible for the poverty of some Germans" or something, wouldn't you think it a little inappropriate? Can't you see the similarity?

Honestly, no...I would say you can say whatever you want, because thinking that anything justifys the holocaust, Jewish or Gypsy...is just madness...............like this guy----):headbang:

Will your final solution for the gypsie "criminal" "burden on society" involve mass graves or ovens, Herr Hauptmann?

Ok, so you just ingored all my posts and posted this....?

Great:rolleyes:

Ok, so you just ingored all my posts and posted this....?

Great:rolleyes:

Will your final solution for the Arab Question involve mass graves or ovens, Herr Hauptmann?

Will your final solution for the Arab Question involve mass graves or ovens, Herr Hauptmann?

So is this what you do once you realize that you cannot present an arguement? I already posted (all from Wiki) my statements about the Roma and you just ingore it all......VERY mature :rolleyes:

You just picked one part out of the whole articule...read the rest of the articule or look at my post of it on page four.
And what was your toilet statement an example of?

http://romani.org/local/rwgbhltr.txt
http://www.romani.org/local/romhist.html
http://voiceofroma.com/index.html
http://www.errc.org/English_index.php

I support an invasion of Israel (1) as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide (2) .

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives (3) , the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.
...

These three parts look anti-Semitic to me. I edited out the non-anti-Semitic stuff and bolded the parts here for emphasis.

1: Invade Israel for no real reason whatsoever? Shows in inherent hatred for those to be attacked.

2: Not just America, but every human being on the planet had a 'moral' obligation to stop the genocide. It appears that you would rather have let it continue,? Yet another possible sign of 'wanting' them harmed or revealing a hatred for them, no sympathy, no empathy for them. So unless you equally have no empathy for any other human beings, then you must think less of them than others. Again, it looks anti-Semitic.

3: This one shows a disproportionate phobia, an irrational conspiracy/paranoia in regards to an ethnic group and thinks that they are dangerous and conspiring against you.

So yes, it looks like enough to be concerned with. If you published an article with those statements, you would require an awful lot of proof to not be labeled as an anti-Semitic hate monger.

Erm... Doing so would be supporting the cause of the 'American "Christian" Far Right', which I personally find somewhat morally reprehensible in itself anyway, and would probably find no consolation from the Islamic people either. Not so much antisemitic as much generally self-serving evil, there
Most right wing Christians I’ve met have a major hard on for Israel, actually.
America has no moral obligations whatsoever. It's Humanity that had, and still has, the moral obligation to halt genocide. If by that statement you mean "We shouldn't have bothered", I would say yours is the nationalistic, self-serving mindset that led to the Holocaust in the first place.
Well, I can assure it isn’t nationalistic, but self-serving, sure. We are all we have in this world, we have to take care of ourselves.
Worse than that. You're akin to the Neocons in your attitudes. I'd be more worried about that, if I were you.
My love for my own personal freedom assures that I am not a neo-con.
So unless you equally have no empathy for any other human beings, then you must think less of them than others.
I can assure you that I am equally apathetic towards all.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

I AGREE with all of that because i don't just read the jew-run/owned american media newspapers. then again, a word to the wise, don't put this stuff out there. they're powerful, they're all connected, and they're on a mission. advice: think it, don't say it anywhere where it can be traced.

You sound like somebody who would fall for Neo-Nazi lies and propaganda, yet you wouldnt nessesarily be the one preaching it.

You would be a good Arab.

Bwahahaha

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)

1. Infidel! Burn!
2. There were others, but not as many as the Jews. Maybe combined, there were more...and the Catholics were just political executions.
3. The number is based on Nazi records. Why don't you say the population of the world is exaggerated as well.
4. Just because you can't organize a strong lobby doesn't mean you should dislike Jews for it. Also, Jews tend to be liberal.
5. Yes, you are.

Most right wing Christians I’ve met have a major hard on for Israel, actually.
Izzactly. Last I heard, the JesusLand project was coming along smoothly. The goal is to convert Israel to Christianity, thereby initiating the "final days" of their prophecies, so of course they're going to be obsessive about the place. But you know what those guys are like; force will probably be used at some point.

Vegetarianistica']I AGREE with all of that because i don't just read the jew-run/owned american media newspapers. then again, a word to the wise, don't put this stuff out there. they're powerful, they're all connected, and they're on a mission. advice: think it, don't say it anywhere where it can be traced.
*Traces Vegetarianistica using my special Jew software.*
*Fires my special Jew missiles.*
*Calls up the CIA and order them to cover up his/her's death because a 14 year old Jewish boy said so*
:rolleyes: Really, try a reality check.

Vegetarianistica']I AGREE with all of that because i don't just read the jew-run/owned american media newspapers. then again, a word to the wise, don't put this stuff out there. they're powerful, they're all connected, and they're on a mission. advice: think it, don't say it anywhere where it can be traced.

I had a laugh coming half way out my mouth when I stopped and realized that.......you might not be joking.

*Traces Vegetarianistica using my special Jew software.*
*Fires my special Jew missiles.*
*Calls up the CIA and order them to cover up his/her's death because a 1year old Jewish boy said so*
:rolleyes: Really, try a reality check.
I think I found a camera in my bagel.

And what was your toilet statement an example of?

http://romani.org/local/rwgbhltr.txt
http://www.romani.org/local/romhist.html
http://voiceofroma.com/index.html
http://www.errc.org/English_index.php

Go back and read them. All of your "sources" are either....history about the Roma...which is fine but the same stuff it says on wiki, talking about how the Roma arnt like that....but the problem is its coming FROM a Roma...a Roma organizition...really what is this garbage. Its coming out of San Francisco, that ought to tell you as much.

I think I found a camera in my bagel.

Hint hint: Check our pocket change for tracking devices.




If they* ask, dont say I told you.




* The Russians, or in this case, the Jews

Hint hint: Check our pocket change for tracking devices.




If they* ask, dont say I told you.




* The Russians, or in this case, the Jews
http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/AUVS/CurrentIARC/~Periscope.jpg
"Where is this "The Atlantian Islands" character? He's giving away our secrets!"

Go back and read them. All of your "sources" are either....history about the Roma...which is fine but the same stuff it says on wiki, talking about how the Roma arnt like that....but the problem is its coming FROM a Roma...a Roma organizition...really what is this garbage. Its coming out of San Francisco, that ought to tell you as much.
Why would it matter that it came out of San Francisco?
Wait... I don't care. Nevermind.

Why would it matter that it came out of San Francisco?
Wait... I don't care. Nevermind.

Well, its the same city that didnt want to bring in the USS Iowa because "having that ship there would be a monument to militarism and the war in Iraq, as well as supporting the ban on gays in the military." It boils my blood with the crap they come up with over there in San Franfreako!

I would say this is getting off topic and has very little to do with the original question, if you want to have a debate about the status of Gypsies and Jews go ahead but I advise you take it to a different and more on-topic thread.

I would say that the Author is anti-jewish but only mildly, the problem is that no races are "bad" or "good" it's only individuals who can be named as such. There are indeed many bad Jews but there are probably many good ones too just as there are many bad and good Arabs, or for that matter, there are bad and good Japanese and Australians. It is a matter of opinion really, but you can't go and slot an entire ethnic group or race into the "bad" or "good" people.

To do such a thing is ignorant and proves you really shouldn't be posting, in my opinion at least.

I would say this is getting off topic and has very little to do with the original question, if you want to have a debate about the status of Gypsies and Jews go ahead but I advise you take it to a different and more on-topic thread.

I would say that the Author is anti-jewish but only mildly, the problem is that no races are "bad" or "good" it's only individuals who can be named as such. There are indeed many bad Jews but there are probably many good ones too just as there are many bad and good Arabs, or for that matter, there are bad and good Japanese and Australians. It is a matter of opinion really, but you can't go and slot an entire ethnic group or race into the "bad" or "good" people.

To do such a thing is ignorant and proves you really shouldn't be posting, in my opinion at least.

Ahhhhhhhh....FOR.THE.LAST.TIME. JEWS.ARE.NOT.A.RACE.

Well, its the same city that didnt want to bring in the USS Iowa because "having that ship there would be a monument to militarism and the war in Iraq, as well as supporting the ban on gays in the military." It boils my blood with the crap they come up with over there in San Franfreako!

Same...I used to live in Southern California and beleive me, I thought that place was wacko until I went up to San Fran to visit. Jesus, I'v never been to such a freaked out place. Did you hear about the one where they wouldnt let the military into the schools for occupation day. Seems that San Fransisco is living in a dream world where the military isnt an actual occupation. Freaking idiots up there.

http://avdil.gtri.gatech.edu/AUVS/CurrentIARC/~Periscope.jpg
"Where is this "The Atlantian Islands" character? He's giving away our secrets!"

You'll never find me!



P.S. I'm hiding behind the pork products in the nearest supermarket. :p

Im Jewish, and this first poster is a moron. To sell out of allies to gain acceptance of terrorists- wow, that sounds smart! im sure the terrorists will put down their guns and we can hold hands and frolic and play in Neverland. you dumbass bigot, get a brain. what you are saying is we should give the little kid to the bullies so we don't have to stand up for whats right. wow, how do you sleep at night? i hate you anti-jewish liberal hippie morons. go love a terrorist

Im Jewish, and this first poster is a moron. To sell out of allies to gain acceptance of terrorists- wow, that sounds smart! im sure the terrorists will put down their guns and we can hold hands and frolic and play in Neverland. you dumbass bigot, get a brain. what you are saying is we should give the little kid to the bullies so we don't have to stand up for whats right. wow, how do you sleep at night? i hate you anti-jewish liberal hippie morons. go love a terrorist

Best. First. Right-Wing. Post. Ever

I love you man.

*Traces Vegetarianistica using my special Jew software.*
*Fires my special Jew missiles.*
*Calls up the CIA and order them to cover up his/her's death because a 14 year old Jewish boy said so*
:rolleyes: Really, try a reality check.

He was kidding.

Everybody with half a brain knows that the jewish conspiracy is really more of a joke than a legitimate conspiracy theory, and the people who actually believe it are either: brainwashed, insane, or really hate Jewish people.

Nice to see the Busheviks and the Kahanists are still doing the nasty in bed together.

Im Jewish
I'm sorry.
To sell out of allies to gain acceptance of terrorists- wow, that sounds smart! im sure the terrorists will put down their guns and we can hold hands and frolic and play in Neverland.
One of the major reasons they hate us is our continued, stuborn and unnecessary support of Israel.
you dumbass bigot, get a brain.
But I already have, like, six lying around here somewhere.
what you are saying is we should give the little kid to the bullies so we don't have to stand up for whats right
That's right. Israel is the little kid in this scenario.:rolleyes:
how do you sleep at night?
Quite well, acctually. Thanks for your concern.
i hate you anti-jewish liberal hippie morons.
Hey, I may be alot of things, but I am not a liberal, at least in the common American sense of the word.
go love a terrorist
Meh. I know some pretty hot Arab chicks.

Im Jewish, and this first poster is a moron. To sell out of allies to gain acceptance of terrorists- wow, that sounds smart! im sure the terrorists will put down their guns and we can hold hands and frolic and play in Neverland. you dumbass bigot, get a brain. what you are saying is we should give the little kid to the bullies so we don't have to stand up for whats right. wow, how do you sleep at night? i hate you anti-jewish liberal hippie morons. go love a terrorist

Well I was going to prouve the starter of the thread wrong but it seems my own "ally" has taken the momentum out of our discussion. Though I can understand your reaction up to a point, I truelly urge you to carefully think through your posts next time seeing as it is non-constructive and adds little to the disccussion at hand besides mindless controversy.

That put aside I find undelia not to be remotely anti-semetic except for the point that America had no moral obligation to prevent the genocide.
How very dare you?

How can anyone not have a moral obligation to stop the death of a person and how could a nation so full of righteousness and high moral standards not save the lives of millions of people, not only jewish people but other minorities who perished in the camps that were the embodyment of hell on earth.

It is the same moral obligation we should have in sebrenica, cambodja, somalia and everywhere were people die needlessly.

I'll assume I misunderstood your point there (easily done seeing as it not backed up with arguments) for otherwise I find you to be indifferent to human suffering in general.

1. Infidel! Burn!
2. There were others, but not as many as the Jews. Maybe combined, there were more...and the Catholics were just political executions.
3. The number is based on Nazi records. Why don't you say the population of the world is exaggerated as well.
4. Just because you can't organize a strong lobby doesn't mean you should dislike Jews for it. Also, Jews tend to be liberal.
5. Yes, you are.

And that makes it less of a tragedy, how?

Well I was going to prouve the starter of the thread wrong but it seems my own "ally" has taken the momentum out of our discussion. Though I can understand your reaction up to a point, I truelly urge you to carefully think through your posts next time seeing as it is non-constructive and adds little to the disccussion at hand besides mindless controversy.

That put aside I find undelia not to be remotely anti-semetic except for the point that America had no moral obligation to prevent the genocide.
How very dare you?

How can anyone not have a moral obligation to stop the death of a person and how could a nation so full of righteousness and high moral standards not save the lives of millions of people, not only jewish people but other minorities who perished in the camps that were the embodyment of hell on earth.

It is the same moral obligation we should have in sebrenica, cambodja, somalia and everywhere were people die needlessly.

I'll assume I misunderstood your point there (easily done seeing as it not backed up with arguments) for otherwise I find you to be indifferent to human suffering in general.

Well said my friend. Well said.

:sniper: I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?): :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: I'm a methodist i go back and forth on this issue
one minute i'm crying alligator tears for the palestininas the next i want them all dead because they are stupid shits-electing hamas a terrorist oranization
and need to all die..then i feel sory forthem again
same with the jews a bomb goes of kills some jewish kid and his mother i'm al angry and go isreal then they bomb a nursery school with one of those apche helicopters we GIVE them and i'm all god dam jews again
i say fuck em both end all aid and letthem kill each other
the side thats left with some people gets the land
invade isreal? are you nuts.look both the jews and the palestinians have equal claim to the land let them fight it out
i think the jews use the holaucost for sympathy
the numbers might be a tad high
my family fought in the resistance in holland and hid jews
so i have no love for nazis
but isreal kinda behaves nazi now to survive
i dont care we should not take sides
niether should you
do you hate jews?
i mean really
if you are being honest them no you are not necessarilly anti semetic
i think its called anti zionist
an i agree the invade isreal comment is just stupid apeshit nutz
also the bible says the jews get the land
and isreal is small
the arabs could give up that little sliver of land
its not like its texas..
both sides are totally f*cked.

Atlantian Islands, since I was the one who brought up the Gypsies, and since your racist views sicken me, I thought I would post this article I researched as part of an essay comparing Human Rights Abuses in Europe and the West with those in Asia. Have a look and broaden your mind. And just so you're aware, the source was good enough for my university Asian Studies professor.

http://webjcli.ncl.ac.uk/articles3/onions3.html#discrimination

-I'm anti-zionist. The same kind of terrorism we see today coming from the Palestinian side was used by Zionists against the British and Arab populations of Palestine.

-I also don't like the fact my government gives billions of dollars to Israel every year.

-I don't like how my government ardently defends Israel with the blood of my fellow Americans.

-I think powerful lobby groups in Washington are responsible for our policy on Israel.

-I think Israel exploits the memory of the Holocaust to get sympathy and guilt money out of nations.

-I am outraged that Israel still has yet to give us a good explaination as to why they attacked the USS Liberty in 1967.

-I am also outraged at the treachery of Israel selling sensitive military technology to the Chinese.

I don't think I'm an anti-semite (although the ignorant would say I am). I think I am just a rationale thinking American.

The death of a million people is a tragedy

the death of a thousand people is a tragedy

the death of a person is a tragedy

Many people have died horrible deaths in concentration camps around the world and all should be morned. The reason special emphasis is put on the nazi attrocities is the time frame. Where not talking about "take those prisoners out the back and shoot them" type of atrocity. we're talking "How many thousand did you burn today?....well your falling behind quota...I don't to have to reprimand you" type atrocity. All murder deserves some attention but this happened in what people like to think of as the civilised world. What I mean is it can happen here or anywhere!, it is happening right now somewhere, and we should care

Im Jewish, and this first poster is a moron. To sell out of allies to gain acceptance of terrorists- wow, that sounds smart! im sure the terrorists will put down their guns and we can hold hands and frolic and play in Neverland. you dumbass bigot, get a brain. what you are saying is we should give the little kid to the bullies so we don't have to stand up for whats right. wow, how do you sleep at night? i hate you anti-jewish liberal hippie morons. go love a terrorist
Well I'm Jewish too, and guess what? I happen to be liberal with hippie tendencies. In fact, jews tend to vote heavily democratic. Calling someone names only makes the debate harder by pissing people off. Not supporting Israel is NOT antisemetic; there are many better and more rational ways to support our country backing them up then accusing everyone who doesn't of being an antisemite.

I'd also like to point out that many Jews I know, myself included, do not fully support everything Israel does, and complain lto no end when they do something we don't like.:)

You're not anti-semetic. You ain't going far enough though. What America should do is point evey nuke they have at Israel. The Palistinians wouldn't want to live in a radioactive, glassy crater when the Israelis are dust so they'll have to get along! Trust me.. nuking the Israelis is the only way to make the Palistinians see the light!

Well, its the same city that didnt want to bring in the USS Iowa because "having that ship there would be a monument to militarism and the war in Iraq, as well as supporting the ban on gays in the military." It boils my blood with the crap they come up with over there in San Franfreako!
Banning a military ship from a city is no less ridiculous than banning gays from entering the military.

:sniper: : :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :sniper: I'm a methodist i go back and forth on this issue
one minute i'm crying alligator tears for the palestininas the next i want them all dead because they are stupid shits-electing hamas a terrorist oranization
and need to all die..then i feel sory forthem again
same with the jews a bomb goes of kills some jewish kid and his mother i'm al angry and go isreal then they bomb a nursery school with one of those apche helicopters we GIVE them and i'm all god dam jews again
i say fuck em both end all aid and letthem kill each other
the side thats left with some people gets the land
invade isreal? are you nuts.look both the jews and the palestinians have equal claim to the land let them fight it out
i think the jews use the holaucost for sympathy
the numbers might be a tad high
my family fought in the resistance in holland and hid jews
so i have no love for nazis
but isreal kinda behaves nazi now to survive
i dont care we should not take sides
niether should you
do you hate jews?
i mean really
if you are being honest them no you are not necessarilly anti semetic
i think its called anti zionist
an i agree the invade isreal comment is just stupid apeshit nutz
also the bible says the jews get the land
and isreal is small
the arabs could give up that little sliver of land
its not like its texas..
both sides are totally f*cked.

at times you read like a haiku

Well I'm Jewish too, and guess what? I happen to be liberal with hippie tendencies. In fact, jews tend to vote heavily democratic. Calling someone names only makes the debate harder by pissing people off. Not supporting Israel is NOT antisemetic; there are many better and more rational ways to support our country backing them up then accusing everyone who doesn't of being an antisemite.

I'd also like to point out that many Jews I know, myself included, do not fully support everything Israel does, and complain lto no end when they do something we don't like.:)

I live on the west coast and I have never known a conservative Jew

I live on the west coast and I have never known a conservative Jew

Why are you gravedigging this thread?

Why are you gravedigging this thread?

necrophilia

I live on the west coast and I have never known a conservative Jew

Well, if you have ever read any of my posts you will know just how conservative I am.

So I USED to live on the west coast....Los Angeles and San Diego, but now I live in South Florida...does that count?

Atlantian Islands, since I was the one who brought up the Gypsies, and since your racist views sicken me, I thought I would post this article I researched as part of an essay comparing Human Rights Abuses in Europe and the West with those in Asia. Have a look and broaden your mind. And just so you're aware, the source was good enough for my university Asian Studies professor.

http://webjcli.ncl.ac.uk/articles3/onions3.html#discrimination

Yeah ok....thats all fine and dandy on paper, but what I was trying to say is that in real life...Gypies are criminals, free loaders, and un assimiliated.

For instance, I have some Hungarians staying with me right now for a tournement we are hosting down here, and I asked them about the Gypies, guess what!?!? They said the same thing about them that I have been telling you guys.

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.
Yes, you are an anti-semite.

Well, if you have ever read any of my posts you will know just how conservative I am.

So I USED to live on the west coast....Los Angeles and San Diego, but now I live in South Florida...does that count?

Oh I'm sure there are some :). Just saying the vast majority of west coast jews are liberal, at least all the ones I've met. Then again most people on the west coast are liberal.

Oh I'm sure there are some :). Just saying the vast majority of west coast jews are liberal, at least all the ones I've met. Then again most people on the west coast are liberal.
Jews on the East Coast and the Midwest are also almost always liberal.*Proudly points to family*

Yeah ok....thats all fine and dandy on paper, but what I was trying to say is that in real life...Gypies are criminals, free loaders, and un assimiliated.

For instance, I have some Hungarians staying with me right now for a tournement we are hosting down here, and I asked them about the Gypies, guess what!?!? They said the same thing about them that I have been telling you guys.
Sigh...where to begin? You're being racist here TAI. Have you known any gypsies? Do you realize that making generalizations about any ethnic group is bound to be wrong? There are bad apples in every society, but there is no soiety entirely made up of bad apples. Furthermore, what's wrong with being unassimilated?

Your Hungarian guests have likely been fed the same horrible stereotypes about gypsies found in the rest of Eastern Europe since birth. Are you aware that in many countries in the region perfectly mentally normal gypsy children are put in schools for the mentally disabled, resulting in what basically amounts to a systimatic destruction of the possibilities of the next generation and thus a perpetuation of the gypsies' poverty?(Here's (http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/09/26/czech.school/index.html) an article about one in the Czech Republic) If you had antisemitic guests staying in your house, they no doubt would have told you similar things about jews but, being Jewish yourself, you would obviously not believe them. Why not then train the same critical eye on accusations about ethnicities OTHER than your own?

I support an invasion of Israel as America’s Last Act of Intervention as to cause us to be beloved by the Arab world and discredit radical Islamic Clerics.

I think the Jews try to sell themselves as the only victims of the holocaust even though gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah’s witnesses and Polish Catholics were victims as well.

I think it is possible that the numbers who died in the holocaust were exaggerated and that America did not have a “moral” obligation to stop the genocide.

I think Jews have a disproportionate control over the neoconservatives, the most powerful political group in America and over politics in general.

So yeah, I was just thinking about that earlier today, and I figured it would be pretty easy to mistake me for an anti-Semite. I don’t have anything against the Jewish people or their religion beyond these points. Are those enough to make me an anti-Semite, though?

(Yes, Leonstein, I know that Arabs technically count as Semites, too. Let’s just go by common usage, ok?)

(1) Anti-Israel rather than anti-semitic.
(2) I think that is a little harsh, there's a mild element of truth in what you say, but what you have to remember is the raison d'etre of the Nazi party was something along the lines of "strength for the German people through excluding (and finally murdering) the Jews". The other minorites were...and god, this is going to sound harsh and unfeeling, and it isn't, because they suffered just as much, to the Nazi's an after-thought or sideshow.
(3) the first part of the statement complete bullshit, and the second part complete bullshit unless you don't actually have the moral framework as the rest of humanity.
(4) It's beginning to sound - with the first three tacked to this - that you definitely have a problem with the Jews. The problem with the neo-conservatives is not the religious background some of them come from, but the fact that they are absolutely bug fucking mental.

In conclusion...on the edge of anti-semitism, definitely suffering from a case of semito-phobia.

Your Hungarian guests have likely been fed the same horrible stereotypes about gypsies found in the rest of Eastern Europe since birth. Are you aware that in many countries in the region perfectly mentally normal gypsy children are put in schools for the mentally disabled, resulting in what basically amounts to a systimatic destruction of the possibilities of the next generation and thus a perpetuation of the gypsy's poverty?
I can confirm there is such prejudice against Gypsies in my Eastern European country.
N Y C, could you point me to the post where he started his allegations? I would like to respond to his claims one by one.

Post 109. Where are you from BTW?