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You know, when I started college, I was going to be a history teacher for a community college. I worked hard for three years, and now I find out that most community college position are most likely Part time without benefits. I would do other history related jobs, except they are rare and hard to get. My other option is Public School. The problem with this is, well, let's face it. 2/3rd of High School Kids don't give a rats ass of what I have to say. They won't care that I love history and have a passion for it. They're just there to put in their time. There is teaching deaf kids, but the same problem is still there, just on a smaller scale. I have two passions in this life. Aviation, and history. I know I'll be miserable in public school, but what choices do I have? It's either this or try to get a job at a museum, CIA, or others which will probably fail. We need more community college that offers full time position with benefits. I guess the reason I'd like Community College more because the people are paying to go there and they're more likely to pay attention, to interact and to see my passion for history. Ah the ways I screw up my life.

Anyways thanks for reading my rants.

Keyword is "most"...you said most of them are part time with no benefits. There are some great paying full time jobs out there for history teachers. And if the colleges dont have openings, then look into private schools if you dont want to mess with public schools. You mentioned working in a museum....would that be so bad? You could be a department head or something. Even invited to speak at schools and such.

Dont fret too much doll. I bet you'll find a great job.

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I hear you. My undergrad and master's degree are both in history, and they aren't worth the paper they're printed on. My advise is to work toward your PhD part time, and find some other job to tide you over until you can get a "real teaching job" at a university. I have two jobs (managing a Sam's club, and as a wine consultant), and my degree doesn't mean shit at either of them.

Hang in there. Don't forget the smaller liberal colleges. They'll usually accept MAs as well.

I hear you. My undergrad and master's degree are both in history, and they aren't worth the paper they're printed on. My advise is to work toward your PhD part time, and find some other job to tide you over until you can get a "real teaching job" at a university. I have two jobs (managing a Sam's club, and as a wine consultant), and my degree doesn't mean shit at either of them.


wow- i thought you were like 15. oops.

I hear you. My undergrad and master's degree are both in history, and they aren't worth the paper they're printed on. My advise is to work toward your PhD part time, and find some other job to tide you over until you can get a "real teaching job" at a university. I have two jobs (managing a Sam's club, and as a wine consultant), and my degree doesn't mean shit at either of them.

Yea, I thought about going the PHD route. Either that or join the seminary and become a Catholic Priest (please no priest jokes). I dunno, I just want to do something where I can contribute to society, where people would be intrested in what I have to say and I can be happy with it.

wow- i thought you were like 15. oops.

Sorry, sweetie, I'm 29.

The problem with this is, well, let's face it. 2/3rd of High School Kids don't give a rats ass of what I have to say. They won't care that I love history and have a passion for it. They're just there to put in their time.
Teach AP if you have a choice. That's what I'll probably end up doing in five to ten years. Or teach in some white, high class school :p and sell meth for fun!

i know my community/technical college teachers are ALL full-time (++) .. keep looking online.

Sorry, sweetie, I'm 29.

Excellent. I'm 31.


Would you be willing to relocate to find a job or do you prefer to stay local?

Yea, I thought about going the PHD route. Either that or join the seminary and become a Catholic Priest (please no priest jokes). I dunno, I just want to do something where I can contribute to society, where people would be intrested in what I have to say and I can be happy with it.

Well, the various scholarly orders (such as the Jesuits) tend to value history degrees highly. They will also fund your PHD.

I'm gonna be a history major :eek: No way around it, I'm in the AP class already.

I'm in though, because I know all the teachers with power around my area; and a few teachers will be retiring by the time I get my teaching certificate.

I want to teach. Staying in Rhode Island is going to suck though.

Excellent. I'm 31.


Would you be willing to relocate to find a job or do you prefer to stay local?

I'm willing to move anywhere in the South East, except for Lousiana. I do not need to get flooded out.

Excellent. I'm 31.
Would you be willing to relocate to find a job or do you prefer to stay local?
Who, me?
If I could leave the U.S. I'd be really happy. If I stay stateside, New Hampshire (the free state!) would be my first choice, but I have no loyalty whatsoever to my current residence in Florida.

I'm gonna be a history major :eek: No way around it, I'm in the AP class already.

I'm in though, because I know all the teachers with power around my area; and a few teachers will be retiring by the time I get my teaching certificate.

I want to teach. Staying in Rhode Island is going to suck though.

Are you already in your 3rd year of college? If you aren't it's not too late to change.

Who, me?
If I could leave the U.S. I'd be really happy. If I stay stateside, New Hampshire (the free state!) would be my first choice, but I have no loyalty whatsoever to my current residence in Florida.


lol no not you. i was just trying to stay on topic after i got off topic. I'm sorry I didnt make it clear as to whom I was asking.:)

Are you already in your 3rd year of college? If you aren't it's not too late to change.
No, I just want to teach badly enough that I'm willing to stay in my area to do it. Its the best chance I have at landing a job around here.

I wouldn't change anyways I love history too much.

No, I just want to teach badly enough that I'm willing to stay in my area to do it. Its the best chance I have at landing a job around here.

Welp, just beware, High School is going to be a bitch.

I'm willing to move anywhere in the South East, except for Lousiana. I do not need to get flooded out.

We have 4 colleges in the town I live in here in Rome, Georgia. Two of which are highly accredited. The 3rd is a Technical college and the 4th is a Community college. There are a lot of small towns in the SE that might have just what you are looking for.

Welp, just beware, High School is going to be a bitch.

Yea, but I know that getting the 2 or 3 kids a year that do care will be worth it.

Honestly, you don't live long enough to make all the mistakes in the world; thats why you need history.

We have 4 colleges in the town I live in here in Rome, Georgia. Two of which are highly accredited. The 3rd is a Technical college and the 4th is a Community college. There are a lot of small towns in the SE that might have just what you are looking for.

Hmmm, I need a list of Community colleges who has full time professors or part time professor.

I was originally going to major in history, but I noticed the same thing you did. However, since I love French just as much as I love history, I'm majoring in that instead.

I was originally going to major in history, but I noticed the same thing you did. However, since I love French just as much as I love history, I'm majoring in that instead.

Yea, society does not value the History Major very much.

I'd say either stick it out to get your PHD and try to find a job teaching at a university or considering the possibility of looking for a different area of interest (my father got his PHD in math, but ended up working in the computer industry).

It doesn't mean a thing, I suppose, but for every 2 or 3 students you get who don't care you'll get one who beleives history is the best thing since sliced bread and that every few years you'll get a student or two who will be so touched by what you teach that it will change your life. That said, the reasons you listed are the same reasons I could never teach at a public High School either.

I love history!! My history and social studies teachers, even in elementary school, have always been awesome. And most kids, if you can make the class fun, will hooked on your class. Good luck! Try to get into a highschool and be a Honors History Teacher, honor's students usually care more.

Yea, society does not value the History Major very much.

And it makes me so very sad. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I talked to a kid who was a junior in high school but hadn't ever heard of the Articles of Confederation.

You know, when I started college, I was going to be a history teacher for a community college. I worked hard for three years, and now I find out that most community college position are most likely Part time without benefits. I would do other history related jobs, except they are rare and hard to get. My other option is Public School. The problem with this is, well, let's face it. 2/3rd of High School Kids don't give a rats ass of what I have to say. They won't care that I love history and have a passion for it. They're just there to put in their time. There is teaching deaf kids, but the same problem is still there, just on a smaller scale. I have two passions in this life. Aviation, and history. I know I'll be miserable in public school, but what choices do I have? It's either this or try to get a job at a museum, CIA, or others which will probably fail. We need more community college that offers full time position with benefits. I guess the reason I'd like Community College more because the people are paying to go there and they're more likely to pay attention, to interact and to see my passion for history. Ah the ways I screw up my life.

Anyways thanks for reading my rants.

you could teach history at a privet school

And it makes me so very sad. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I talked to a kid who was a junior in high school but hadn't ever heard of the Articles of Confederation.

I would cry.

I was a history major (ancient/medieval). I noticed that there were few jobs available in history so I changed. I regret it so much. Stay with your passion even if it means teaching high school. If you're good, you'll get honors classes and end up teaching students who do care.

I was a history major (ancient/medieval). I noticed that there were few jobs available in history so I changed. I regret it so much. Stay with your passion even if it means teaching high school. If you're good, you'll get honors classes and end up teaching students who do care.

I guess I'm lucky in that I have about equal passion for history and the French language. Although my favourite parts of history is the US from the Revolution until Reconstruction, so its hard to combine the two. Unless, of course, I was translating de Tocqueville or something.

I was a history major (ancient/medieval). I noticed that there were few jobs available in history so I changed. I regret it so much. Stay with your passion even if it means teaching high school. If you're good, you'll get honors classes and end up teaching students who do care.

What did you change it to?

What did you change it to?

Business Administration. Boring, boring, boring. And just as useless as history unless you get an MBA

Business Administration. Boring, boring, boring. And just as useless as history unless you get an MBA

Yea. I would've gone into computing, but the outsourcing of the computer jobs make that hard to get into unless you have a Phd.

Yea. I would've gone into computing, but the outsourcing of the computer jobs make that hard to get into unless you have a Phd.

I phrased that badly. Actually Business Administration is one of the most useless degrees around, it tells us nothing. History tells us where we came from and, if we pay attention, where we're going.

As for jobs, I could have gotten the job I have now without a degree.

It's either this or try to get a job at a museum, CIA, or others...

If you're a native of the U.S., have spent several years living abroad, and can speak another language (particularly Farsi) fluently the CIA isn't such a bad idea.
Look into it. You may be surprised.

If you're a native of the U.S., have spent several years living abroad, and can speak another language (particularly Farsi) fluently the CIA isn't such a bad idea.
Look into it. You may be surprised.

I am a native, I only went to Mexico once, and the only other language I can speak is Spanish. However, I can look at the history of certain countries like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, today's conditons and try to make a prediction of where the country might be heading. I wouldn't mind working for the CIA, but so far they only have one job description where a History degree is required.

Yea. I would've gone into computing, but the outsourcing of the computer jobs make that hard to get into unless you have a Phd.
Pfft no problem as long as you are not a programmer you are in the green.

I got my masters in both Computer Information Security and Computer Network Modeling and Applications.

Jobs are not really an issue for server administration or networking

I am a native, I only went to Mexico once, and the only other language I can speak is Spanish.

That won't quite cut it. You'd be required to speak a foreign language in the same manner as a native speaker. That includes peculiar inflections, present colloquialisms, and perhaps an accent indicative of a region within that country.

However, I can look at the history of certain countries like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, today's conditons and try to make a prediction of where the country might be heading. I wouldn't mind working for the CIA, but so far they only have one job description where a History degree is required.

It sounds like you might be looking for an eventual job in analysis. Try asking around and see if you could possibly start out working with open sources. You're at a nice age to get your foot in the door.

P.S. "Open Sources" are newspapers, television broadcasts and the like. It sounds pretty dull and can be, but hey you'd get to be like Robert Redford in Three Days of the Condor.

P.P.S. I'm sure I don't need to tell you an arrest record wouldn't exactly help you out. If you have one, try the FBI. They loosened up their policies a few years ago. (But it still won't help.)

That won't quite cut it. You'd be required to speak a foreign language in the same manner as a native speaker. That includes peculiar inflections, present colloquialisms, and perhaps an accent indicative of a region within that country.



It sounds like you might be looking for an eventual job in analysis. Try asking around and see if you could possibly start out working with open sources. You're at a nice age to get your foot in the door.

P.S. "Open Sources" are newspapers, television broadcasts and the like. It sounds pretty dull and can be, but hey you'd get to be like Robert Redford in Three Days of the Condor.

P.P.S. I'm sure I don't need to tell you an arrest record wouldn't exactly help you out. If you have one, try the FBI. They loosened up their policies a few years ago. (But it still won't help.)

So what would I be doing in the Open sources with the newspaper, televisions and broadcast? and no it doesn't really sound too boring.

So what would I be doing in the Open sources with the newspaper, televisions and broadcast? and no it doesn't really sound too boring.

Assuming everything goes well with your interviews and clearance, you'd be assigned a country or a region within a country to watch (in this case, obviously, a Spanish speaking country). You'd read their newspapers, watch their news broadcasts, and read their recently released books. You get the idea.
You'll write reports on exactly and only what you've read. I stress that because interpreting that information is for someone else. The Company is very compartmentalized. You'll only get to know what you need to know. If you want to know more, do your job well and soon enough you'll be one of the guys doing the interpreting.
Getting there will take time.
If you haven't already, I encourage you to take a look at the CIA's website. It will acclimate you more to the terms and culture of the agency.
Also, if you're serious about this, send them an email through their website. They'll contact you.
It would be a good idea to go ahead and get the ball rolling because it's going to take them awhile to do all the requisite background work before you can be hired.

P.S. Don't do anything cute like using a proxy server or you can write the whole thing off. Otherwise, good luck.

I would do other history related jobs, except they are rare and hard to get. My other option is Public School. The problem with this is, well, let's face it. 2/3rd of High School Kids don't give a rats ass of what I have to say. They won't care that I love history and have a passion for it. They're just there to put in their time.
Without sounding too sanctimoniuos, surely the fact they're not interested in History should be a catalyst to you wanting to teach them. Biggest challenge (and reward) in teaching is getting your audience to be interested in what you have to say. If you want to lecture just to ppl who want to listen, you're never going to be happy as a teacher and dare I say it, never going to be that good a teacher.

Assuming everything goes well with your interviews and clearance, you'd be assigned a country or a region within a country to watch (in this case, obviously, a Spanish speaking country). You'd read their newspapers, watch their news broadcasts, and read their recently released books. You get the idea.
You'll write reports on exactly and only what you've read. I stress that because interpreting that information is for someone else. The Company is very compartmentalized. You'll only get to know what you need to know. If you want to know more, do your job well and soon enough you'll be one of the guys doing the interpreting.
Getting there will take time.
If you haven't already, I encourage you to take a look at the CIA's website. It will acclimate you more to the terms and culture of the agency.
Also, if you're serious about this, send them an email through their website. They'll contact you.
It would be a good idea to go ahead and get the ball rolling because it's going to take them awhile to do all the requisite background work before you can be hired.

P.S. Don't do anything cute like using a proxy server or you can write the whole thing off. Otherwise, good luck.


Hmmm, I dunno though, I mean what Spanish speaking country is a threat to us right now? All of our attention is on the Middle East. The only thing going in South America, Central America and Mexico is that theres drug lords, lotsa violence, poverty, etc.

Without sounding too sanctimoniuos, surely the fact they're not interested in History should be a catalyst to you wanting to teach them. Biggest challenge (and reward) in teaching is getting your audience to be interested in what you have to say. If you want to lecture just to ppl who want to listen, you're never going to be happy as a teacher and dare I say it, never going to be that good a teacher.

Eh it's not just that, it's I dunno. I guess I'm also fustrated with my parents. Ok sure they pay for my college education, and yes I'm one year away from getting my Bacholar, and I dunno. It's like they want me to go with the "sure thing" and if I try to introduce anything diffrent, a yelling match follows. I have not changed my mind about teaching until this semester. I mean from freshman to now, I've wanted to teach community college. And now, since I've learn that most community college are hiring part time, my dreams have been derailed. My parents want me to pursue the education route because it's a sure thing.

Also, a catalyst for me is to go into class, to not only talk about history, but to get them into the lesson plan. To have them interact with history through the internet, debates, discussion forum, mock trials and elections etc. If half of the class doesn't want to take part in all of that, then what's the point?

There's also No Child Left Behind, which is the worst thing President Bush has ever come up with. Which basically assumes that every kid in America will meet the national standards and if a percentage of your student doesn't mee the damn standards, you're ass is fired.

ugh.

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Think about a private school. Most kids care there, about as many as don't care in public.

Less pay, but its a tighter community in most cases. But I'm only talking about the private prochial schools, like Catholics ones for example.

But, than again, I'm biast. :p

Think about a private school. Most kids care there, about as many as don't care in public.

Less pay, but its a tighter community in most cases. But I'm only talking about the private prochial schools, like Catholics ones for example.

But, than again, I'm biast. :p

Yea, I am looking at private school.