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With the price of Oil on the rise, and there may be a shortage coming up in the next few decades. We've been looking at other alternative fuel source. One of them is Bio-Oil! It's basically taking stuff from plants (forgot the specific) adding it with Sawdust (I think) and making crude oil that has the same speification as organic oil. The Bio-Oil can also be refinded to work in gasoline running engine etc. So what do yall think? A viable option?

With the price of Oil on the rise, and there may be a shortage coming up in the next few decades. We've been looking at other alternative fuel source. One of them is Bio-Oil! It's basically taking stuff from plants (forgot the specific) adding it with Sawdust (I think) and making crude oil that has the same speification as organic oil. The Bio-Oil can also be refinded to work in gasoline running engine etc. So what do yall think? A viable option?

Sure, why not. You can make diesel fuel from the vegetable oil used in restaurant kitchens. Many times they give the stuff away free, so they don't have to dispose of it.

I think you may be refering to Bio-Diesel. Waste cooking oil can be used to power diesel vehicles that have minor modifications made to them.


When you drive behind them it smells like french fries...

The process to make this oil is called Thermal Depolymerization, if you're wondering...it should tide us over sufficiently until we can move over to renewable energy source.

Waste cooking oil can be used to power diesel vehicles that have minor modifications made to them.


When you drive behind them it smells like french fries...

My old school bus used to run on it. It was illegal but eh, what the hell :rolleyes:

No, what I'm talking about is a Bio-Oil that won't require you making any alternation to your car. It actually can be put into the gas tank and used as organic oil.

i have no clue how to spell it...
basicaly, you heet up and presurize anything with carbon in it. it simulates the way the earth makes oil only it takes less time.
if you are interested in it, check out the article at discover.com
http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-04/features/anything-into-oil/

i say we just use all the methane produced in India.

i have no clue how to spell it...
basicaly, you heet up and presurize anything with carbon in it. it simulates the way the earth makes oil only it takes less time.
if you are interested in it, check out the article at discover.com
http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-04/features/anything-into-oil/

That's what I'm talking about!

I've heard of this. Its an excellent idea, and it will piss off PETA! They'll now be burning animals to run their cars!

in wales they did this quite recently

they just added cooking oil to the petrol (it worked) in their tanks.

however it was ileagle

so they got stopped

in wales they did this quite recently

they just added cooking oil to the petrol (it worked) in their tanks.

however it was ileagle

so they got stopped

That's messed up, why is it illegal?

I've heard of this. Its an excellent idea, and it will piss off PETA! They'll now be burning animals to run their cars!

Hell I would be turning my garbage into oil.

I wonder if theres a way to re-create this on 2 acres of land. Hmmm, that would be cool. I could sell my Bio-Oil for $1.50 a gallon! *evil laughter*

There is another viable option that chemists are trying to "cook" up, making biofuels from ordinary "alcohols". Essentially, they want to take normal alcohols, methanol, ethanol, and convert them into the normal hydrocarbons that constitute gasoline right now. There was an article about it in Science last week, but I don't have the reference at my fingertips, its at school.

There is another viable option that chemists are trying to "cook" up, making biofuels from ordinary "alcohols". Essentially, they want to take normal alcohols, methanol, ethanol, and convert them into the normal hydrocarbons that constitute gasoline right now. There was an article about it in Science last week, but I don't have the reference at my fingertips, its at school.

Cool. I just hope the big oil company don't snuff this information out, which I'm sure they will.

Yeah, well right now they haven't found an economic way to do it, and the chemistry still isn't perfected. It is kinda like the Holy Grail for catalysis chemists, and would definately get a Nobel Prize. Because it is still in its experimental stages, the big oil companies haven't put the kabash on any of this yet. Who knows what is going to happen, though?

I am not sure if the link will work, but this was the article I was talking about in one of the science journals.Linky-linky (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/311/5760/435?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=biofuels&searchid=1138590370250_9323&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=sci)

With the price of Oil on the rise, and there may be a shortage coming up in the next few decades. We've been looking at other alternative fuel source. One of them is Bio-Oil! It's basically taking stuff from plants (forgot the specific) adding it with Sawdust (I think) and making crude oil that has the same speification as organic oil. The Bio-Oil can also be refinded to work in gasoline running engine etc. So what do yall think? A viable option?

Yes ethanol is pretty powerful. I saw a demo by my teacher with three things: a peanut, bee pollen, and ethanol. He took a half of a peanut and lit it on fire and that sucker burned for a while too, lots of energy in there. Then he blew maybe a tablespoon of bee pollen across the flames, talk about a fireball! Then he took two drops (eyedropper size) and put it in a 35mm film plastic canister and shook it. Using a plunger he just ejected the top a little bit. The top flew across the room.

So yeah ethanol has a LOT of potential energy and its cheap and a lot cleaner than petrol.

I wonder if ethanol would work in airplane engines.

With the price of Oil on the rise, and there may be a shortage coming up in the next few decades. We've been looking at other alternative fuel source. One of them is Bio-Oil! It's basically taking stuff from plants (forgot the specific) adding it with Sawdust (I think) and making crude oil that has the same speification as organic oil. The Bio-Oil can also be refinded to work in gasoline running engine etc. So what do yall think? A viable option?
Personally I would love to see the switch to hydrogen power ... there have been several good ideas at extraction/storage

What they need is a product and a distribution network

Personally I would love to see the switch to hydrogen power ... there have been several good ideas at extraction/storage

What they need is a product and a distribution network

Eh, it'll cost too much to convert everything to accomidate hyrdogen power, and hydrogen power isn't as efficent as internal combustion engine. It'll just be easier and cheaper to create Bio-Oil and it'll be better.

Eh, it'll cost too much to convert everything to accomidate hyrdogen power, and hydrogen power isn't as efficent as internal combustion engine. It'll just be easier and cheaper to create Bio-Oil and it'll be better.
No not for cumbustion ... fuel cell

As an explosive agent for standard rotory engine you are right hydrogen burns more then explodes

Fuel cells are MUCH more efficent then todays hybreds though

I've been using 10% ethanol for 30 years. Put 300,000 miles on a car with it. no engine troubles, the transmission finally gave out. Now they are selling E-80 with 80% ethanol. Most newer cars with computer controlled carberators will run on it. In the midwest most states charge less tax on ethanol gas so you get high octane for less than regular. The ethanol is made with corn or other grain. Then the left over mash can still be fed to livestock.

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Most newer cars with computer controlled carberators will run on it. snip.
I have never seen computer controlled carberators before ... usualy the newer cars use Fuel injection instead

Urantia II had a HUGE thread about this last spring/summer. One of the only threads he started that didn't have the swill taste of a bizarrely-misinformed political rant.
Just thought i'd prop for that. *bows*
BTW, it doesn't appear to be in the archives since the server swap. :(

in wales they did this quite recently


Its amazing to consider the things that get done in whales... surely PETA must be kicking and screaming over that.