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ABC News Anchorman Bob Woodruff and his cameraman were both injured by an IED inside Iraq and is listed in serious condition from what I've just heard on the news.

I'll have something more as soon as possible.

He wasn't in the States, I assume.

And who in the hell is Bob Woodruff...is he important? Should I know him?

He wasn't in the States, I assume.

And who in the hell is Bob Woodruff...is he important? Should I know him?

He's an ABC News Anchorman (which I stated in the opening post) who I believe is on Primetime.

From the ABCNews Website:

ABC News Bob Woodruff Hurt in Iraq:

Bob Woodruff and his cameraman Doug Vogt were injured in an IED attack near Taji, Iraq today. They were embedded with the 4th Infantry Division, traveling with an Iraqi Army unit in an Iraqi mechanized vehicle.

No word on Condition.

He's an ABC News Anchorman (which I stated in the opening post) who I believe is on Primetime.
But it didn't happen on camera, did it?

Sorry, I'm just trying to find out why it matters that for a change someone from the media gets blown up.
On wiki I also read that he used to be one of the "embedded" ones...:rolleyes:

But it didn't happen on camera, did it?

Sorry, I'm just trying to find out why it matters that for a change someone from the media gets blown up.
On wiki I also read that he used to be one of the "embedded" ones...:rolleyes:

He's actually respected in the news field. I sometimes even watch him on TV.

He's actually respected in the news field. I sometimes even watch him on TV.
Hmm...oh well, never heard of him.

But fair enough, I guess I feel sorry for his family (not really, I don't know any of them, but it is customary to say these things). It's the risk you take if you sign up for the propaganda-outsourcing program.

I don't watch network news, so I don't know him.. but good luck to him on recovery..

This is why embedding reporters can kill. Iraq is not the Civil War or the Crimean War, the first two wars with correspondents. Both were predictable gentlemanly affairs. Iraq is walking throug a room full of mines in the dark with a blindfold. I suggest this not happen anymore, lest reporters die in the inevitable fight for the top story.

:p

He wasn't in the States, I assume.

It says inside Iraq.

Oh No!

I hope he'll be ok! Please be ok Woodruff!

Sorry, I can't put a face to the name. Then again, I've only ever heard the name kicked round on NS, so go figure.

Coffee, anybody?

Hmm...oh well, never heard of him.

But fair enough, I guess I feel sorry for his family (not really, I don't know any of them, but it is customary to say these things). It's the risk you take if you sign up for the propaganda-outsourcing program.

Quoted for agreement. That's sort of what happens.

Apparently he and the camera man recieved serious shrapnel injuries from the roadside bomb.

Hope they recover.

on a related note: there's been no sign of the CSM journalist kidnapped a few weeks ago has there?

Apparently he and the camera man recieved serious shrapnel injuries from the roadside bomb.

Hope they recover.

on a related note: there's been no sign of the CSM journalist kidnapped a few weeks ago has there?

Unfortunately no. No one knows if she is still alive or not.

Poor camera man. How pissed would you be that every station is reporting your vicious and painful injury as: "A camera man was also wounded"?

He's an ABC News Anchorman (which I stated in the opening post) who I believe is on Primetime.

No he is actually the Anchor of World News tonight

No he is actually the Anchor of World News tonight

I couldn't remember the show he was on but it is on in Primetime and he is on ABC. So care to tell me where I was wrong please?

Poor camera man. How pissed would you be that every station is reporting your vicious and painful injury as: "A camera man was also wounded"?


Actually NPR news gave his name and said he was an 'award winning cameraman.'

Also, the Times put his photo in the article along with woodruff's

And these guys deserve more comment/concern than the XX number of Iraqis or US Troops killed/injured by these bombs?

Blowing upa generally sympathetic Media Face just goes to show that the insurgency is less interested in Iraq than they are killing ifidels for Allah. :rolleyes:

They will be flown to Germany for additional treatment.

They are said to be in stable condition.

So these guys deserve more attention than US or Iraqui soldiers because...:(

This really is shocking, members of the media were hurt in a roadside bomb and it is getting an inordinate ammount of media attention!

Like the failure of the new orleans levies, as Wise Leader put it, when the novelty of news anchors being hurt in roadside bomb attacks is combined with the fact that news anchors are an integral part of the media... no one could have predicted that a large ammount of news coverage would be devoted to the topic!

So these guys deserve more attention than US or Iraqui soldiers because...:(

And US and Iraqi soldiers would deserve more attention than they because?

who? anyway, that's why i'm not a journalist/reporter.

And US and Iraqi soldiers would deserve more attention than they because?

Equal attention Fass, equal attention for all.

Equal attention Fass, equal attention for all.
Some are more equal than others. :rolleyes:

The next question is:

If the Bomb was actuated, then the Insergents aren't fighting the military occupiers because they targeted a non-hostile.

If the bomb was random then they aren't actually fighting the military occupiers either because they weren't targeting anybody - it could have as easily been a schoolbus full of Iraqi kids.

Could it be that the insurgents are not what the anti-US side say they are (i.e. "freedom fighters") :rolleyes:

I hope the two are alright and recover, as I hope all the servicemen injured over there on a daily basis recover as well.

I also hope for a favorable outcome to the kidnapped journalist-as far as I know, there is no word on her, the deadline of her threatened execution has come and gone and I know here loved ones are dying a thousand deaths waiting to hear good or bad news.

I hope the two are alright and recover, as I hope all the servicemen injured over there on a daily basis recover as well.

I also hope for a favorable outcome to the kidnapped journalist-as far as I know, there is no word on her, the deadline of her threatened execution has come and gone and I know here loved ones are dying a thousand deaths waiting to hear good or bad news.

From my understanding, no one else was hurt. Just those two. It turned out to be an Iraqi Convoy and they were in an open area of a pick up.. They were in the lead car when the bomb went off.

Suffered serious injury and were treated. Now they are in Germany and soon to be flown back to the United States.

All in all, they really got lucky. The body armor saved their lives from what is being reported.

On wiki I also read that he used to be one of the "embedded" ones...:rolleyes:


He still is. It's just that it's shrapnel that he'd embedded with now....

He still is. It's just that it's shrapnel that he'd embedded with now....
Actually, just bomb fragmentation. "shrapnel" has a very specfic definition and roadside bombs don't produce it. ;)

(edit: added for fun: http://www.army.mil/cmh/faq/shrapnel.htm )
Shrapnel, and if anyone can find an essentially different definition anywhere he is ahead of me, is "an artillery projectile provided with a bursting charge, and filled with lead balls, exploded in flight by a time fuze." It was named for its inventor, General Henry Shrapnel of the British Army, who died in l842, so it is no Johnny-come-lately in the fields of ordnance and gunnery.

( http://riv.co.nz/rnza/hist/shrap/ )
Shrapnel, the best mankiller the Artillery possessed for over a century, was invented by Lieutenant Henry Shrapnel, Royal Artillery. Before its introduction in 1803 the Artillery defeated attacks by Infantry or Cavalry with 'canister' or 'case', a tin container filled with iron balls or bullets varying in weight from 57 to 142 grams each, according to the nature of the gun. When the gun fired the container burst open at the muzzle, releasing the balls which spread out with a shotgun effect. Up to 300 metres it was guaranteed to cause heavy casualties.

At longer ranges common shell, ie hollow cast iron spheres filled with gunpowder, were in use, but fragmentation was poor. They made a lot of noise but did no great damage. What Field Artillery needed was a long-range case shot.

Lieutenant Shrapnel reasoned that if a shell filled with musket balls could be made to release them above the enemy's troops, they would carry on with the 'remaining velocity' of the shell, spread out and hit anyone who happened to be in the way. If the point on the trajectory at which the shell burst was well chosen the balls would reach the target with lethal velocity. Recognition and utilisation of this principle has perpetuated his name among Gunners.
http://www.army.mil/cmh/faq/shrap2.gif

This image depicts two shrapnel balls from a World War I era 75-mm. shrapnel projectile and a fragment from a World War I era 75-mm. high explosive shell.

The intended destructive effect of the shrapnel projectile against men and animals came from the shrapnel balls. The projectile casing, which merely acted as a carrier for the shrapnel balls, was not designed to fracture or fragment. Some World War I era shrapnel projectiles contained a mixture of two sized balls. The smaller balls, intended for anti-personnel use, constituted approximately ninety per cent of the shrapnel round. The remaining percentage of larger balls were included to disable or kill horses.

The intended destructive effect of high explosive rounds came from the action of the high explosive charge coupled with the fragmentation of the projectile casing. Whereas a shrapnel round was intended to kill or injure people and animals, high explosive rounds were originally designed to damage or destroy inanimate objects such as buildings and field guns.

Actually, just bomb fragmentation. "shrapnel" has a very specfic definition and roadside bombs don't produce it. ;)

Well there you have it. You just provided more factual reporting about military matters in Iraq than virtually the entire press corp has over the past year...

:D

Well there you have it. You just provided more factual reporting about military matters in Iraq than virtually the entire press corp has over the past year...

:D
I suppose that, technically, you could call the balls from a Claymore Mine "shrapnel"....

Equal attention Fass, equal attention for all.

Sure, like we had equal attention for all the people who died on 9/11, especially those African children who died of starvation and were more numerous than those USians who died in those towers.

Sure, like we had equal attention for all the people who died on 9/11, especially those African children who died of starvation and were more numerous than those USians who died in those towers.
I'm sure they get plenty of attention in Africa.