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In the recent years there has been a growing demand for more, to put it delicately, feminine men. Ones who dress flamboyantly, enjoy discussing colour schemes and window treatments, and are highly opinionated on the subject of tapestry positioning. A recent study however has found that women are so fed up with their men spending too much time in the bathroom applying facial cream and moisturising lotion, that they want their old men back. They now want men who take out the rubbish, kill nasty insects and know how to change the oil filter in their car instead of men who frequently pop off down to the tanning salon and afterwards stop at the mall for a shopping spree.

This has caused a lot of confusion for us males. What do you actually want?

According to that paragraph...they want a confused lesbian.


From my experiene (None), they want someone who just acts like themself. Really, are you going to live your life as a giant lie?

So they want a gay guy with a vagina fetish?

I want a man to just be himself and not put on some sort of show.

I want a man to just be himself and not put on some sort of show.
Seconded.

I want a man to just be himself and not put on some sort of show.

Yes but don't you have a prefered personality type?

I want a man to just be himself and not put on some sort of show.
That's me baby! Watch this!

*starts singing and dancing*

"Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal.

Give me a kiss by wire, baby my hearts on fire!

If you refuse me, honey you'll lose, then you'll be left alone, oh baby telephone, and tell me I'm your own!"




(oh wait, NOT put on a show? DAMN)

Where is the option of I want another woman?

Where is the option of I want another woman?

I believe that would fall very nicely under "other" ;)

I believe that would fall very nicely under "other" ;)



I want my own option. :p

I want my own option. :p

No soup for you!:p

No soup for you!:p



:mp5:


Hand over the can!:D

Where is the option of I want another woman?
I was going to say, you can't even say that women want men since some don't, so the asking the question at all is kind of spinning your wheels.

Eh. I'm metrosexual I guess. From what I've heard, people dunno my sexual orientation. Mmkay, I'm fine with that. I like how girls act better than guys anyway. This is high school, every hyper guy likes to beat up their friends for no reason. Why that's even remotely funny...I don't know why.

So anyway. I consider myself quite attractive. I'm probably one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Problem is, I'm insanely shy. Yeah I've tried asking a girl out once earlier last year. She turned out to be a bitch about it. Well that fucked me up pretty well, I don't want to bother starting up anything myself with another girl. Thus leaving them to make it obvious that they are into me before I actually even consider doing a thing about it.

I got quite unlucky early on. The one girl you think was awesome, turned out to be a complete bitch.

And I mean, we were friends and everything too. Within a matter of minutes she decided to be a complete bitch about everything.

Girls, oh how I am on a quest to find my match.

I want world domination. Now.

Really: A happy medium.
The whole 'bloke' guy thing, beer swilling, low personal hygiene, risking grim death every time they see wheels? No thanks.
I actually know how to change oil in a car (& tyres, thank you driver ed.), I have no problem killing bugs, & I can probably spend more time in the bathroom, applying moisturiser than most, so I'm good with either choice.
By the same token, I'd love to have someone to talk over colour schemes with, & take me shopping.
But I'm not really sure of your definition of metro, so I went with the safe choice.

I'm personally male... But, in my experience... Not counting the ignorant, shallow women... Mostly, women want a man that's mostly sensitive with a sense of firmness. Essentially, you're expected to defend her tirelessly and fiercely, and when around her, be completely mellow and kind.

Women want guy with money, because they want to spend that money.

Reason #1,050,4001 of why I probably will never find anyone.

I want world domination. Now.

Really: A happy medium.
The whole 'bloke' guy thing, beer swilling, low personal hygiene, risking grim death every time they see wheels? Sweet, I'm in!No thanks.
D'oh.

Women want guy with money, because they want to spend that money.

Reason #1,050,4001 of why I probably will never find anyone.


You'll find one. Not all of us are goldiggers.

Sweet, I'm in!

D'oh.

Isn't that always the way? *Damn the no-laughing-smilie situation on this site!*



Women want guy with money, because they want to spend that money.

Reason #1,050,4001 of why I probably will never find anyone.



You'll find one. Not all of us are goldiggers.

You'll find one. Not all of us are goldiggers.

She's right, you know.
Not all.

I want world domination. Now.

Really: A happy medium.
The whole 'bloke' guy thing, beer swilling, low personal hygiene, risking grim death every time they see wheels? No thanks.
I actually know how to change oil in a car (& tyres, thank you driver ed.), I have no problem killing bugs, & I can probably spend more time in the bathroom, applying moisturiser than most, so I'm good with either choice.
By the same token, I'd love to have someone to talk over colour schemes with, & take me shopping.
But I'm not really sure of your definition of metro, so I went with the safe choice.

Sounds like the type of guy I want - I don't want the über bloke, but at the same time, I don't want a flamer.

The happy medium of being firstly a bloke but at the same time have the sophistication of looking after oneself and able to empathise with the partner.

In other words, I want the strong man who can change the oil in the car, but at the same time, apply moisturiser and take care of his body :)

If I didn't have my penis, scrotum, and testicles equiped, I would definutely want a guy that did both.

Or maybe its just me. I can do the big, macho guy thing when I have to. I don't like to, but its gotta be done sometimes because dudes just don't get the picture any other way. Then other times I'm more sensitive. Now, I really don't care about drapes or anything on windows because I'm personally a minimalist, but as far as floor layout and colour schemes go, I can get really picky. Problem is, I really don't get all sensitve too easily. It takes a certain air about a person to get it out of me.

I planned out my entire room according to the angles of the sun at certain times before laying the wires to the outlets. Thats like the perfect combination of tasteful homosexual anal retention and testosterone filled handyman-ness.

Women want to be jerked around by arseholes and then have a cry.

kill nasty insects

Heh. I scoop up nasty insects gently and put them outside. I've found it tends to confuse girls rather than anything else, but it does get their attention, precisely because they wonder what on earth I'm doing. ;)

it's pretty amazing that the most people who vote ain't women....:rolleyes:

Women want guy with money, because they want to spend that money. Okay, let's accept this stereotype for a sec, and use a common stereotype about men: that men are shallow. I would say that these two stereotypes would cancel each other out, so I find it surprising when the shallow guy complains about how women only wanna spend his money, or the gold-digging woman complains that men are shallow.


it's pretty amazing that the most people who vote ain't women....:rolleyes:I dunno about amazing, this is a male-dominated site.

I got a strange feeling that this poll is inconclusive

Different women want different things. Different men want different things.

Seriously - how hard is that for people to understand?

Different women want different things. Different men want different things.

Seriously - how hard is that for people to understand?
I agree.

not me :(

I want a guy who doesn't try desperately to fit the label he thinks will attract me.

The problem is, guys that self assured never give me the time of day.

Standards lowering time!

Ideally, I would like a guy who's about 2 years younger than me (because.. I don't really know why. It's something to do with .. puberty..), would like some of the same music as me, scorn stupid jokes that aren't funny and not laugh at them just to be pleasant... and most importantly, have correct grammar. And some other stuff like that which I can't be bothered thinking of. Oh and watch Arnold Schwarzenegger films with me.

Real man? Happy medium?

My suspicion is that they want an attractive, good-looking, caring, successful rich guy with a great sense of humour but who will not be interested in women other than themselves.

Barring that, they'll find a rich guy to live with and raise children, children which are conceived with attractive men in various extramarital affairs. Or so says a documentary I just watched.

My suspicion is that they want an attractive, good-looking, caring, successful rich guy with a great sense of humour but who will not be interested in women other than themselves.

Barring that, they'll find a rich guy to live with and raise children, children which are conceived with attractive men in various extramarital affairs. Or so says a documentary I just watched.

why does every guy think that women want a rich guy??? This is not the case, it doesn't matter for a lot of women whether he is rich or not...

well, my neuroticism says that they want everything that i'm not.
in my experience though, they want a nice guy that they can talk to and takes an interest in them
the problem is that my experience is somewhat limited, i should probably try and fix this

In the recent years there has been a growing demand for more, to put it delicately, feminine men. Ones who dress flamboyantly, enjoy discussing colour schemes and window treatments, and are highly opinionated on the subject of tapestry positioning. A recent study however has found that women are so fed up with their men spending too much time in the bathroom applying facial cream and moisturising lotion, that they want their old men back. They now want men who take out the rubbish, kill nasty insects and know how to change the oil filter in their car instead of men who frequently pop off down to the tanning salon and afterwards stop at the mall for a shopping spree.

This has caused a lot of confusion for us males. What do you actually want?
Oh for the love of...

Seriously, guys, are you really still this stupid?! "What do women want?" You're kidding with this crap, right?

Please tell me you aren't STILL so ignorant and helpless that you think there's some magical formula for pleasing all female human beings. Please tell me that in this day and age men are capable of grasping that female human beings, like male human beings, are individuals who have different personalities, wants, turn-off, and goals. Please tell me that men have moved beyond this lazy, self-centered, pathetic view of gender relations, and have realized that the best way to know what a particular woman wants is to bloody well talk to HER, instead of asking everybody else in the world what she wants.

It's very telling to hear some men wanting to know what "women" want, because it shows that they aren't particularly interested in having a real relationship with another individual, they just want to have their very own woman to play with. They want to know the magic words that will enable them to obtain their woman, and aren't especially interested in being a good partner or a worthy companion for any particular woman. Men who are looking for that sort of thing aren't really men at all, they're little boys who are looking for a pretty dolly to play with, and they certainly aren't ready to be in anything approaching an adult relationship.

I know this will be a disappointment to all the little boys out there who like playing at being men, but you're going to have to talk to women if you want to understand them. You're not going to be able to figure out a particular female individual by asking questions of annonymous strangers on the internet. You're not going to gain any insight from reading men's magazines (or women's), and you're not going to find any easy 10-step plan to making all women like you. And as long as you continue to try these lame approaches you will continue to embarass both yourself and your gender. Which is really a shame, because it makes things harder for the men who ARE clued in.

"Women" don't want any one thing, any more than "blue-eye people" all want one thing (or one set of things). "Women" refers to 51% of the human population, and "women" don't agree on much of anything beyond the general rule that it's nice to be able to breathe.

Whenever I hear men bitching about how "women" are confusing (or when I hear women bitching about the reverse) I feel like slapping my forehead with frustration. OF COURSE "WOMEN" SEEM CONTRADICTORY...THEY'RE DIFFERENT FUCKING PEOPLE!!!! Your new girlfriend might not like the same things as your old girlfriend. One woman you meet may have completely different desires than another. The reason you are confused is because you are stupidly trying to make every single female human fit into some easy formula.

If you want robot women who all obey the same rules, buy some porno. If you want women who only like the things you want them to like, buy some porno. If you want a woman who will always act the way you like, get a sex doll. But please, for the love of humanity, don't actually try to interact with any real females. You are a disgrace to your gender and shouldn't go around ruining things for all the men out there who are perceptive, rational, and worthwhile.

Different women want different things. Different men want different things.

Seriously - how hard is that for people to understand?

Hence the purpose of the poll.:rolleyes:

Hence the purpose of the poll.:rolleyes:
Sure, this poll could be of interest in what the females of NS want from a man. It's of absolutly no use in deciding "what women want" though (which is what it seemed like you were trying to find out) because that question does not have any answer apart from what I said : different things depending on the woman.

Nothing like this can be used in someones approach to relationships. Well, unless you want to demean the person you're trying to start a relationship with by not bothering to find out about them as an individual and what will work in a relationship with them.

Oh for the love of...

Seriously, guys, are you really still this stupid?! "What do women want?" You're kidding with this crap, right?

Please tell me you aren't STILL so ignorant and helpless that you think there's some magical formula for pleasing all female human beings. Please tell me that in this day and age men are capable of grasping that female human beings, like male human beings, are individuals who have different personalities, wants, turn-off, and goals. Please tell me that men have moved beyond this lazy, self-centered, pathetic view of gender relations, and have realized that the best way to know what a particular woman wants is to bloody well talk to HER, instead of asking everybody else in the world what she wants.

I know this will be a disappointment to all the little boys out there who like playing at being men, but you're going to have to talk to women if you want to understand them. You're not going to be able to figure out a particular female individual by asking questions of annonymous strangers on the internet. You're not going to gain any insight from reading men's magazines (or women's), and you're not going to find any easy 10-step plan to making all women like you. And as long as you continue to try these lame approaches you will continue to embarass both yourself and your gender. Which is really a shame, because it makes things harder for the men who ARE clued in.

"Women" don't want any one thing, any more than "blue-eye people" all want one thing (or one set of things). "Women" refers to 51% of the human population, and "women" don't agree on much of anything beyond the general rule that it's nice to be able to breathe.

Whenever I hear men bitching about how "women" are confusing (or when I hear women bitching about the reverse) I feel like slapping my forehead with frustration. OF COURSE "WOMEN" SEEM CONTRADICTORY...THEY'RE DIFFERENT FUCKING PEOPLE!!!! Your new girlfriend might not like the same things as your old girlfriend. One woman you meet may have completely different desires than another. The reason you are confused is because you are stupidly trying to make every single female human fit into some easy formula.

If you want robot women who all obey the same rules, buy some porno. If you want women who only like the things you want them to like, buy some porno. If you want a woman who will always act the way you like, get a sex doll. But please, for the love of humanity, don't actually try to interact with any real females. You are a disgrace to your gender and shouldn't go around ruining things for all the men out there who are perceptive, rational, and worthwhile.


You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this thread. I started it because I was interested to see whether the distribution of preferences was skewed towards a certain personality. I didn't start this so that we men can learn the easy way to get into a womans pants.

Hence the purpose of the poll.:rolleyes:
There is absolutely no point in the poll, or your question. If you want to get to know female human beings as friends or potential lovers, then talk to those female human beings. Asking other female humans what they want will give you no useful predictive information. Your poll is as much a waste of time as if you asked, "What do you brown-eye people want?"

It's also pretty insulting toward male human beings for you to imply that the menfolk just don't get womenfolk. Plenty of men understand the women in their lives, because those men aren't wasting their time trying to survey all of womankind in search of some common denominator. Plenty of men have grasped that the best way to connect with another person is to connect with that person, not to try to lump them into some pre-determined group with a pre-determined code of behaviors.

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methinks someone took this thread too seriously :p

SNAGS should be shot, along with metros.

be proud of being a man.

to be honest i think it companies tryin to turn us into women becuase women waste more money on bueaty products and clothes and hair and generally seem less secure, and less people secure buy more crap.

I don't think at the end of the day women want another woman to be with. They want a man. What kinda of man depends on the girl but they, except for lesbians, want a real man.

methinks someone took this thread too seriously :p
It's a pet peeve of mine, because far too many people hold these stupid ideas. I've watched far too many of my friends (most of them male) struggle needlessly in their romantic lives because they really believe there's a magic code for making women like them...it's sad, and it's totally unnecessary.

why does every guy think that women want a rich guy??? This is not the case, it doesn't matter for a lot of women whether he is rich or not...
Hey, I was just watching a documentary...it seems like behavioural experiments show that women who look for a longer-term partner to raise kids with look for a good provider, and rich guys seem to fit that.

I'm not saying that all women would think that way, or that that is even a conscious decision, but I think it makes sense from a biological point of view.

Sure, this poll could be of interest in what the females of NS want from a man. It's of absolutly no use in deciding "what women want" though (which is what it seemed like you were trying to) because that question does not have any answer apart from what I said : different things depending on the woman.

If I was concerned with making an inference based on a random sample I would have asked people in my local community and I would have sent e-mails to randomly picked addresses. However, I'm only interested in what the NS General women think. ;)

You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of this thread. I started it because I was interested to see whether the distribution of preferences was skewed towards a certain personality. I didn't start this so that we men can learn the easy way to get into a womans pants.
exactly, we all know the easy way to get into a woman's pants is by going to a hooker. albeit that way can be quite expensive :D

There is absolutely no point in the poll, or your question. If you want to get to know female human beings as friends or potential lovers, then talk to those female human beings. Asking other female humans what they want will give you no useful predictive information. Your poll is as much a waste of time as if you asked, "What do you brown-eye people want?"

It's also pretty insulting toward male human beings for you to imply that the menfolk just don't get womenfolk. Plenty of men understand the women in their lives, because those men aren't wasting their time trying to survey all of womankind in search of some common denominator. Plenty of men have grasped that the best way to connect with another person is to connect with that person, not to try to lump them into some pre-determined group with a pre-determined code of behaviors.

Just shut up. You have no knowlege as to my intentions behind this poll. You make assumption that are incorrect and tell me that I am wasting my time. I know how I'm going to organise this data and I will find a fitting use for it. Just stay out of it because it's my business how I spend my time and it's my business what questions I ask. If you want to read too much into a simple question then just bugger off and do't post anything.

Hey, I was just watching a documentary...it seems like behavioural experiments show that women who look for a longer-term partner to raise kids with look for a good provider, and rich guys seem to fit that.

I'm not saying that all women would think that way, or that that is even a conscious decision, but I think it makes sense from a biological point of view.

Which documentary? 'The Human Body' with the guy with the big nose?

exactly, we all know the easy way to get into a woman's pants is by going to a hooker. albeit that way can be quite expensive :D

Not really. You don't have to take a hooker out to fancy resturants and buy them expensive gifts. They're actually cheaper.;)

Which documentary? 'The Human Body' with the guy with the big nose?
of course he has a big nose, he's jewish, it's to be expected. air is free, after all :D

What's a happy medium?

I voted for that

OF COURSE "WOMEN" SEEM CONTRADICTORY...THEY'RE DIFFERENT FUCKING PEOPLE!!!!

Whee, Bottle! Great to see some things never change (I'm not sure if I'm referring to your general awesomeness, or the way I always find quotes of yours to steal and put on t-shirts... let's go with a good rounded 'both' ^.^)

Everyone who isn't Bottle: as in abortion debates, her word here is all that is true and correct. Read it and be enlightened.

ETA: CC, after reading your responses (I'm a slacker and replied before reading them), I have to say you could have avoided that response either by explaining at the start that you weren't assuming that all women have a certain 'type' (because the prevailing idea is that women do, and so people like Bottle and I will assume you mean that unless told otherwise) OR by giving other options. Where's 'intellectual'? Or 'artist'? Or... any of the other fake-y fake labels people apply to themselves? The whole 'do women want REAL MEN or 'men that act like women' comes pretty close to the very thing that bugs Bottle and others, I think.

So.. eh, I understand why you're annoyed, but I think you could understand why other people are also annoyed. All it requires is a tiny clarification in the OP. Or whatever.

Not really. You don't have to take a hooker out to fancy resturants and buy them expensive gifts. They're actually cheaper.;)
i guess so, and you'd probably want less sex because hookers don't inflict sexual frustration on guys, like many woman do

EDIT: in that case, i'm of to hindley street. commie catholics should know why

Whee, Bottle! Great to see some things never change (I'm not sure if I'm referring to your general awesomeness, or the way I always find quotes of yours to steal and put on t-shirts... let's go with a good rounded 'both' ^.^)

Everyone who isn't Bottle: as in abortion debates, her word here is all that is true and correct. Read it and be enlightened.

What a load of crap. Bottle is overcomplicating this. :gundge:

OF COURSE "WOMEN" SEEM CONTRADICTORY...THEY'RE DIFFERENT FUCKING PEOPLE!!!!
are you saying that all women have multiple personalities? enough of them contradict things that they say and do themselves. many say and act as if they know what they want, but often have no clue.

Which documentary? 'The Human Body' with the guy with the big nose?
:D

No, this time it was a different one. Was one tonight on SBS...can't remember the name. Something where she compared animal mating behaviour to humans.

:D

No, this time it was a different one. Was one tonight on SBS...can't remember the name. Something where she compared animal mating behaviour to humans.
oh yeah, that show is insane. i flicked to it occaisionally while watching the cricket

What a load of crap. Bottle is overcomplicating this. :gundge:

Just in case you're one of the (sane) people who doesn't reread past posts to check for edits:

After reading your reasoning, I can agree, sort of. The problem for me is that it's not clear in the OP. From the OP, it seems you are doing exactly what Bottle is complaining about. Maybe you could edit the OP to reflect your actual intention? It'll cut off the flow of people entering the thread (having NOT read your responses to Bottle) thinking exactly what she did.

Just in case you're one of the (sane) people who doesn't reread past posts to check for edits:
People do that? :eek:

Whee, Bottle! Great to see some things never change (I'm not sure if I'm referring to your general awesomeness, or the way I always find quotes of yours to steal and put on t-shirts... let's go with a good rounded 'both' ^.^)

Everyone who isn't Bottle: as in abortion debates, her word here is all that is true and correct. Read it and be enlightened.

ETA: CC, after reading your responses (I'm a slacker and replied before reading them), I have to say you could have avoided that response either by explaining at the start that you weren't assuming that all women have a certain 'type' (because the prevailing idea is that women do, and so people like Bottle and I will assume you mean that unless told otherwise) OR by giving other options. Where's 'intellectual'? Or 'artist'? Or... any of the other fake-y fake labels people apply to themselves? The whole 'do women want REAL MEN or 'men that act like women' comes pretty close to the very thing that bugs Bottle and others, I think.

So.. eh, I understand why you're annoyed, but I think you could understand why other people are also annoyed. All it requires is a tiny clarification in the OP. Or whatever.

The only options I could have put are 'Real Men' 'Women Men' 'Half and Half' and 'Other'. I covered everything. These 'intellectuals' and 'artists' that you speak of either act like 'real men' 'women men' 'something in between' or 'other'. The 'other' would account for one of the infinite possibilities of abstract ratios of Man:Womanness. I accounted for everything.

are you saying that all women have multiple personalities? enough of them contradict things that they say and do themselves. many say and act as if they know what they want, but often have no clue.
Many people are like that. Not just females.

Many people are like that.
Many people are also females..... so therefor....... Females are like that :D

Just in case you're one of the (sane) people who doesn't reread past posts to check for edits:

After reading your reasoning, I can agree, sort of. The problem for me is that it's not clear in the OP. From the OP, it seems you are doing exactly what Bottle is complaining about. Maybe you could edit the OP to reflect your actual intention? It'll cut off the flow of people entering the thread (having NOT read your responses to Bottle) thinking exactly what she did.

The original post was only there to give a vague outline of the meanings of the poll options. I don't care if bottle interpreted it in some offensive way. It's not her place to interpret my intentions. I just wanted a simple question answered.

The only options I could have put are 'Real Men' 'Women Men' 'Half and Half' and 'Other'. I covered everything. These 'intellectuals' and 'artists' that you speak of either act like 'real men' 'women men' 'something in between' or 'other'. The 'other' would account for one of the infinite possibilities of abstract ratios of Man:Womanness. I accounted for everything.
It's more the fact that, however many options you could have included, it came across that you were saying there was a certain type that women liked and that it seemed complicated but there must be this answer to all these problems and if we simply told you what "we women" liked, it'd be simpler. Which is bullshit.

Now I can see that you were just interested in what the women here all liked, as individuals, but your initial post was misleading.

not me :(

ahem, this is the part where everyone is meant to tell me what a great catch i am :p

Many people are like that. Not just females.
does that mean that many people have multiple personalities? :p
anyhow, the fact that there are women like that means that this poll won't work and that the statement that women are confusing still holds

It's more the fact that, however many options you could have included, it came across that you were saying there was a certain type that women liked and that it seemed complicated but there must be this answer to all these problems and if we simply told you what "we women" liked, it'd be simpler. Which is bullshit.

Now I can see that you were just interested in what the women here all liked, as individuals, but your initial post was misleading.

Which is irrelevant. I don't care how people interpret my original post. I just want the damn question answered.

ahem, this is the part where everyone is meant to tell me what a great catch i am :p

What a great catch you are. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

The original post was only there to give a vague outline of the meanings of the poll options. I don't care if bottle interpreted it in some offensive way. It's not her place to interpret my intentions. I just wanted a simple question answered.
Everyone interprets things. And she has every right to voice her interpretations. You have to accept that three people (me, Shaed and Bottle) interpreted it that way and then either choose to ignore us or listen to us.

Also, the very fact you're saying it's a simple question gets me all confused about whether my first interpretation was not right. It's not a simple question. It does not have a simple answer. "What women want" has no answer and asking what a particular woman wants is not simple.

ahem, this is the part where everyone is meant to tell me what a great catch i am :p
<creepy voice> oh, yes, of course you are <strokes i love oranges> :p

I don't care how people interpret my original post.
Then why bother replying to our interpretations and saying we were wrong?

Everyone interprets things. And she has every right to voice her interpretations. You have to accept that three people (me, Shaed and Bottle) interpreted it that way and then either choose to ignore us or listen to us.

Also, the very fact you're saying it's a simple question gets me all confused about whether my first interpretation was not right. It's not a simple question. It does not have a simple answer. "What women want" has no answer and asking what a particular woman wants is not simple.

The are only 5 possible answers for the purpose of this thread. Isn't that simplistic?

The original post was only there to give a vague outline of the meanings of the poll options. I don't care if bottle interpreted it in some offensive way. It's not her place to interpret my intentions. I just wanted a simple question answered.

Fair enough. But then don't complain when people misunderstand you; if you refuse to explain, people will make assumptions. It's totally up to you if you don't want to clarify (of course), but I think you should certainly expect more Bottle-eqsue rants if you don't. Either you don't want to clarify (and are willing to put up with people misunderstanding you and starting debates), or you care more about being clear and will change your OP. Trying to do both just seems a bit silly, is all.

Personally, I think it's a bit of a non issue really. If you didn't mean what Bottle thinks you do, then Bottle's rant isn't actually directed at you in any way anyway.

As for whether it's Bottle's 'place' to interpret your intentions, well... this IS NationStates, my friend. The only thing that is guarenteed is that people will debate over anything and everything.

Then why bother replying to our interpretations and saying we were wrong?

Because I have nothing to do at the moment.

It's not a simple question. It does not have a simple answer. "What women want" has no answer and asking what a particular woman wants is not simple.
Yes it is.... you just TURN it into something complicated by dragging all kind of other choices into it.

Fair enough. But then don't complain when people misunderstand you; if you refuse to explain, people will make assumptions. It's totally up to you if you don't want to clarify (of course), but I think you should certainly expect more Bottle-eqsue rants if you don't. Either you don't want to clarify (and are willing to put up with people misunderstanding you and starting debates), or you care more about being clear and will change your OP. Trying to do both just seems a bit silly, is all.

Personally, I think it's a bit of a non issue really. If you didn't mean what Bottle thinks you do, then Bottle's rant isn't actually directed at you in any way anyway.

As for whether it's Bottle's 'place' to interpret your intentions, well... this IS NationStates, my friend. The only thing that is guarenteed is that people will debate over anything and everything.


True. This is nationstates.:fluffle: :fluffle:

anyhow, the fact that there are women like that means that this poll won't work and that the statement that women are confusing still holds
Exactly. But I'm not sure how anyone could dispute that "women are confusing". People are confusing. To say anything else is rather insulting to the fascinating realms of factors that make each and everyone of us an individual.

Many people are also females..... so therefor....... Females are like that :D
I never said different :P
Just pointed out that females aren't unique in this aspect ;)

Because I have nothing to do at the moment.
i'd suggest coming with me to hindley street, but i know how old you are, so that won't work :p
and i'm too poor to afford that :(

The are only 5 possible answers for the purpose of this thread. Isn't that simplistic?

Well... once we found out what the 'purpose of this thread' actually IS... yes.

That's why some people are suggesting that the purpose isn't 'bad' or anything... just that the OP is misleading (or too vague), and a tiny bit of clarification would go a long way.

I can't see why what I'm typing is coming across as combatative or confrontational... if it's simply because I agreed with Bottle, please do keep in mind that was before I read your clarification.

Exactly. But I'm not sure how anyone could dispute that "women are confusing". People are confusing. To say anything else is rather insulting to the fascinating realms of factors that make each and everyone of us an individual.


I never said different :P
Just pointed out that females aren't unique in this aspect ;)

I disagree. From a mans point of view, it is far easier to understand the wants and needs of a fellow man. Women are somewhat enigmatic on the other hand. Far more confusing than men.

Exactly. But I'm not sure how anyone could dispute that "women are confusing". People are confusing. To say anything else is rather insulting to the fascinating realms of factors that make each and everyone of us an individual.
not entirely true. i know a guy who's only confusing point is that he chooses macs over pc's. they're the only thing he's interested in. i'd understand this, if they were computers, as opposed to macs

The are only 5 possible answers for the purpose of this thread. Isn't that simplistic?

Yes it is.... you just TURN it into something complicated by dragging all kind of other choices into it.

Okay, choosing an option in a poll is simple. Fine. That's what you seem to be getting at.

What I'm saying is that answering the question this poll is supposed to answer isn't simple.

Well... once we found out what the 'purpose of this thread' actually IS... yes.

That's why some people are suggesting that the purpose isn't 'bad' or anything... just that the OP is misleading (or too vague), and a tiny bit of clarification would go a long way.

I can't see why what I'm typing is coming across as combatative or confrontational... if it's simply because I agreed with Bottle, please do keep in mind that was before I read your clarification.

I don't see it as confrontational at all. I just think that the poll was rather clear.

People do that? :eek:

LP, there are people who find popping their pimples intensely arousing, and people who freeze their... juices... to reheat and consume at a later time.

I can guarentee you that somewhere, somehow, someone rereads every post in their threads to check for edits from other people.

What I can't guarentee is that my spelling will ever actually be correct (it's because I haven't read anything but comics and the internet in... well, a long time).

I disagree. From a mans point of view, it is far easier to understand the wants and needs of a fellow man. Women are somewhat enigmatic on the other hand. Far more confusing than men.
I know men who find fellow men confusing. I find men confusing. I find women confusing. I find myself confusing and pretty much everyone I know. I can't think of anyone who seems more confusing than anyone else - I just know some people better than others.

Your post is just broad generalisation taken from personal opinion/experience. What's your point?

Okay, choosing an option in a poll is simple. Fine. That's what you seem to be getting at.

What I'm saying is that answering the question this poll is supposed to answer isn't simple.

As much as I'd like to continue arguing the point, I think we should stop now.

not entirely true. i know a guy who's only confusing point is that he chooses macs over pc's. they're the only thing he's interested in. i'd understand this, if they were computers, as opposed to macs
Isn't the fact that he only cares about this confusing? :P
Either way, I doubt that's all there is to him.

As much as I'd like to continue arguing the point, I think we should stop now.
Oh, but that means I'm gonna have to go and actually do the work I've supposedly started... :P

I know men who find fellow men confusing. I find men confusing. I find women confusing. I find myself confusing and pretty much everyone I know. I can't think of anyone who seems more confusing than anyone else - I just know some people better than others.

Your post is just broad generalisation taken from personal opinion/experience. What's your point?
Let's just drop it. I need to go to bed soon.

Isn't the fact that he only cares about this confusing? :P
Either way, I doubt that's all there is to him.
of course that's normal, you're talking to a computer geek here, the only reason i care about things other than computers is because i've discovered the existence of alcohol and women, both of which i have an intense interest in.
and by what i can tell, it is most of what there is to him

Let's just drop it. I need to go to bed soon.
don't tell me school's back already? man i love going to uni

Oh, but that means I'm gonna have to go and actually do the work I've supposedly started... :P
can't you just bullshit it? it can be done with most things, excepting computer programs

can't you just bullshit it? it can be done with most things, excepting computer programs
Not if you're a perfectionist. Yes, I'm a procrastinating perfectionist. It's an odd mixture.

In the recent years there has been a growing demand for more, to put it delicately, feminine men.
Errant nonsense.

What do women want? After years and years of research and "field studies," I have come to the following conclusion: Women want a man who will take the time and effort to find out what they want without being told ( sometimes without the woman in question even knowing herself what she wants! ) and then move heaven and earth to provide that for them.

That's it, guys. Really!

Not if you're a perfectionist. Yes, I'm a procrastinating perfectionist. It's an odd mixture.
not really, i understand it pretty well, though nowadays the laziness overrides the perfectionism

Errant nonsense.

What do women want? After years and years of research and "field studies," I have come to the following conclusion: Women want a man who will take the time and effort to find out what they want without being told ( sometimes without the woman in question even knowing herself what she wants! ) and then move heaven and earth to provide that for them.

That's it, guys. Really!

Oh, that sounds positively easy....:p

Errant nonsense.

What do women want? After years and years of research and "field studies," I have come to the following conclusion: Women want a man who will take the time and effort to find out what they want without being told ( sometimes without the woman in question even knowing herself what she wants! ) and then move heaven and earth to provide that for them.

That's it, guys. Really!
yeah, but the question is: what guy would actually go to that effort?

Oh, that sounds positively easy....:p
HA! Try it sometime. Easy in conception, difficult in execution. :)

yeah, but the question is: what guy would actually go to that effort?
I have ... many times. It is SO worth the effort! :D

What a great catch you are. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

finally!!
whats a guy gotta do to get more sympathy and compliments around here ;)

HA! Try it sometime. Easy in conception, difficult in execution. :)

I've tryed, and failed abjectly:(

not really, i understand it pretty well, though nowadays the laziness overrides the perfectionism
My laziness just stretches out over long periods of time, ending in short but intense periods of working like crazy, the cycle going round and round. And with my coursework deadlines in two weeks, the craziness is starting...

I have ... many times. It is SO worth the effort! :D
fine, looks like i have alot of work ahead of me then

I've tryed, and failed abjectly:(
At what point? Finding out what a woman wants is usually the show-stopper, since many men find it virtually impossible to "read a woman's mind," so to speak. There are any number of ways to do this, but you have to focus and pay attention to what she says ( and doesn't say! ) and does.

My laziness just stretches out over long periods of time, ending in short but intense periods of working like crazy, the cycle going round and round. And with my coursework deadlines in two weeks, the craziness is starting...

I went through that last year, it really is worth working, well, I'm told so. Any coursework you need?

At what point? Finding out what a woman wants is usually the show-stopper, since many men find it virtually impossible to "read a woman's mind," so to speak. There are any number of ways to do this, but you have to focus and pay attention to what she says ( and doesn't say! ) and does.

I have found that, however it does help if the female in question is sympathetic...

My laziness just stretches out over long periods of time, ending in short but intense periods of working like crazy, the cycle going round and round. And with my coursework deadlines in two weeks, the craziness is starting...
it happens to me a decent bit, good thing i can write the programs i have had to so far in less than 5 hours, though it is an annoying way to spend a friday night

Errant nonsense.

What do women want? After years and years of research and "field studies," I have come to the following conclusion: Women want a man who will take the time and effort to find out what they want without being told ( sometimes without the woman in question even knowing herself what she wants! ) and then move heaven and earth to provide that for them.

That's it, guys. Really!
Yup, sounds about right *nods* :P In all seriousness, the only way any relationship will work is if you do take the time and effort to get to know someone and find out what they want.

I wouldn't agree that you should have to be able to do it without being told or at least helped in some way though. Talking openly about relationships and wants and needs and opinions etc is vital in the long-run IMO.

Yay for Huw!

fine, looks like i have alot of work ahead of me then
Heh!

Actual quotes from the aftereffects:

* "OMG! How did you KNOW!" [ closely followed by very tender loving ]

* "You're a genius! Where have you BEEN all my life?"

* ( And the best repsonse of all ) [ visible melting, closely followed by what can only be described as a "gentle attack!" ] :D

I think that instead of discussing my bad working habits, it would be more productive to actually go and do some work... so bye for now people :P

Heh!

Actual quotes from the aftereffects:

* "OMG! How did you KNOW!" [ closely followed by very tender loving ]

* "You're a genius! Where have you BEEN all my life?"

* ( And the best repsonse of all ) [ visible melting, closely followed by what can only be described as a "gentle attack!" ] :D
that's it, you got me into this idea, now i just need the opportunity to pull it off

that's it, you got me into this idea, now i just need the opportunity to pull it off
Go for it, Dude!

The real secret here is that you learn to focus on HER. Most women are very, very flattered by that, by the effort and concern it displays. A woman of my acquaintence let slip one day that, as a little girl, she had a doll of a very specific kind that she had dearly loved, but that it had been lost in a fire when she was about 12. It took me a solid year of searching, but I finally found one. First she cried, then she hugged me and cried, then she like to have killed me ... know whut ah mean? :D

Go for it, Dude!

The real secret here is that you learn to focus on HER. Most women are very, very flattered by that, by the effort and concern it displays. A woman of my acquaintence let slip one day that, as a little girl, she had a doll of a very specific kind that she had dearly loved, but that it had been lost in a fire when she was about 12. It took me a solid year of searching, but I finally found one. First she cried, then she hugged me and cried, then she like to have killed me ... know whut ah mean? :D
right, i think i can pull that off, i'm used to focusing on something for long periods of time. now i just need to find a girl to try this on and a reason to get together so that i can try it on her. it's kinda hard to do when it's the uni holidays

right, i think i can pull that off, i'm used to focusing on something for long periods of time. now i just need to find a girl to try this on and a reason to get together so that i can try it on her. it's kinda hard to do when it's the uni holidays
Kewl.

Word of warning: Women can detect insincerity at a thousand meters! :)

Kewl.

Word of warning: Women can detect insincerity at a thousand meters! :)
that's ok, i don't like lying to people, i'm not good at it.
that and i won't go for a girl i can't be sincere with

that's ok, i don't like lying to people, i'm not good at it.
that and i won't go for a girl i can't be sincere with
Then go forth and prosper, Grasshopper! :D

Then go forth and prosper, Grasshopper! :D
right, off i go! oh wait, it's nearly 2 in the morning, maybe i should wait till tomorrow.
i think i'll spend tonight planning my course of action, cheerio people

I'm not a woman (in which case you shouldn't be voting)

Not really. You don't have to take a hooker out to fancy resturants and buy them expensive gifts. They're actually cheaper.;)
I don't know if you're joking or not, but you don't have to take non-hooker women to fancy restaurants or buy them gifts either! Thus a real relationship is cheaper and more fulfilling.

Okay, let's accept this stereotype for a sec, and use a common stereotype about men: that men are shallow. I would say that these two stereotypes would cancel each other out, so I find it surprising when the shallow guy complains about how women only wanna spend his money, or the gold-digging woman complains that men are shallow.


Women are shallow too.

I can't claim to speak for all women, but I want a guy who is smart and funny and respectful, as well as caring and someone who will not insist on being around me every second of every day... I require some level of independance and privacy.

As for personal hygene, if a guy has acne problems and uses creams for that, then that's great. It's also nice if a guy actually trims his nails instead of say, picking at them or chewing them... and if he's got a bit of a unibrow, no shame in plucking it, really. Oh, and a guy who dresses nicely... that's also nice.

something different.

I've come to the conclusion that women don't want a nice guy, no matter what all those Cleo/Cosmopolitan etc mags say. This is from personal xp.
2 examples:

Recently I was dating a wonderful woman I'd met through a mutual friend. We got on like a house on fire and were thoroughly enjoying each other's company.
One Sunday we spent 12 hours together, and to be able to spend 1/2 a day in someone else's company and still enjoy it is pretty rare.
Two days later we meet up and she tells me that she can't believe I'm such a nice guy because if I was I wouldn't be single and my previous g/f wouldn't have cut me off so completely (she hasn't spoken to me or contacted me since we split). Therefore (in some convulted female logic sort of way that makes my brain hurt and my eyes bleed whenever I try following it) I can't be a nice guy and she can't trust me. And that's the last time I saw her.
So she's doing exactly what my ex-g/f's doing, because my ex is doing it.

Oh the irony of it all.

I suppose if I'd acted more of an arsehole she'd have had a reason why my ex won't talk to me and we'd still be seeing each other.


Another recent example; there was a teacher at one of my schools who left last September. Last day she was there she asked someone to take a photo of me and her. I sat, she stood behind me and ran her hands over my shoulders and neck. Don't know about you but I find that pretty intimate and considering how reserved the Cantonese are about close body contact, a definite sign.
Anyway, we exchanged emails, phone # etc and kept in contact. Started seeing each other for coffee, moved up to movies, dinners, hiking. I bought her a nice present for her birthday (only one she got), along with a few other minor gifts most times when we met up. Things going along really well. One day we planned to go for a hike. I ring her up and hear an argument going on in the background. She tells me she can't go.
Later she finally explains her boyfriend (yep her BOYFRIEND) was having a big hooley with his mother, which is why she couldn't join me.
She told me her b/f is boring, unromantic (hence the lack of presents on her birthday and Xmas), never takes her out, never buys her flowers, didn't even kiss her on NY eve nor dance with her. She told me when her father died, he spent the night playing computer games and then gave her a printed photo of himself!
But of course she's not going leave him.
And of course she thinks I'm so nice that she can't believe I don't have a g/f. <Which initially led to the inevitable conclusion on her part that I must be gay. Which I get so often I've given up on contradicting it>
As far as I can make out, she likes going out with me because I fill in all the good bits her b/f's missing. But I'm too nice for her to dump her b/f for me.

And that's just the two most recent examples. I could give you a whole lot more where I've been told by a woman that I'm a 'really nice guy', which has somehow totally precluded me from any access to said woman's panties.

I've decided the problem I have is I'm too nice and easy-going. I obviously need to be more of an arsehole. Any tips from NS's resident arseholes out there?

A guy who doesn't ask "omg what do you women want?"! :p

It's true really. We're just human, not another species...

finally!!
whats a guy gotta do to get more sympathy and compliments around here ;)

Oh, I luuuuuurve Oranges ;)

Eh. I'm metrosexual I guess. From what I've heard, people dunno my sexual orientation. Mmkay, I'm fine with that. I like how girls act better than guys anyway. This is high school, every hyper guy likes to beat up their friends for no reason. Why that's even remotely funny...I don't know why.

So anyway. I consider myself quite attractive. I'm probably one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Problem is, I'm insanely shy. Yeah I've tried asking a girl out once earlier last year. She turned out to be a bitch about it. Well that fucked me up pretty well, I don't want to bother starting up anything myself with another girl. Thus leaving them to make it obvious that they are into me before I actually even consider doing a thing about it.

I got quite unlucky early on. The one girl you think was awesome, turned out to be a complete bitch.

And I mean, we were friends and everything too. Within a matter of minutes she decided to be a complete bitch about everything.

Girls, oh how I am on a quest to find my match.
The only way that could have possibly been more emo is if you had threatened to kill yourself.

I've come to the conclusion that women don't want a nice guy, no matter what all those Cleo/Cosmopolitan etc mags say. This is from personal xp.
2 examples:

Recently I was dating a wonderful woman I'd met through a mutual friend. We got on like a house on fire and were thoroughly enjoying each other's company.
One Sunday we spent 12 hours together, and to be able to spend 1/2 a day in someone else's company and still enjoy it is pretty rare.
Two days later we meet up and she tells me that she can't believe I'm such a nice guy because if I was I wouldn't be single and my previous g/f wouldn't have cut me off so completely (she hasn't spoken to me or contacted me since we split). Therefore (in some convulted female logic sort of way that makes my brain hurt and my eyes bleed whenever I try following it) I can't be a nice guy and she can't trust me. And that's the last time I saw her.
So she's doing exactly what my ex-g/f's doing, because my ex is doing it.
That is fucking twisted and hilarious.
Any tips from NS's resident arseholes out there?
My assholeyness doesn't seem to help me at all.

I'll tell you what they want..your freedom.