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Why is it some christians dont like Gays\Bisexuals. (giggles slightly)
is it not said "Judge not lest ye be judged." i hate them sooo much. hypocrits.
Whats your opinions on this? are there actions justified by their religion?
Shouldnt they take a liberal view in the "Knowledge" that Gays will be judged by god? bisexuals too. (titters)

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would with a woman. Also gays and bisexuals have an agenda that includes tricking teenagers into thinking that they were "born gay" and seducing them into that immoral and destructive lifestyle.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.

I'd just like to take a moment to encourage all the people who've made the choice to be gay or bisexual in order to make all of us normal people angry to take a moment to pray to Jesus and let him put you on the "Straight" path.

Why is it some christians dont like Gays\Bisexuals.

Because they are repulsed by things that are different to themselves. Religion is just something they use to justify it.

Personally, I am not religious, and don't think religion justifies anything.

Why is it some christians dont like Gays\Bisexuals. (giggles slightly)
is it not said "Judge not lest ye be judged." i hate them sooo much. hypocrits.
Whats your opinions on this? are there actions justified by their religion?
Shouldnt they take a liberal view in the "Knowledge" that Gays will be judged by god? bisexuals too. (titters)

if they dislike me because of their religion, then that is ok, because i probably dislike them because of their religion too. as a gay woman, my problem with religious homophobes isn't that they dislike homosexuality, but because they try to push their morality and religious views on those who might not share them. but whatever, live and let live. as long as they stay out of my life i will stay out of theirs.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.


Now that is just a vicious lie! The gay lifestyle includes DISCO for men and FOLK for women. We, as a community, outlawed Techno in the early 90's, we didnt want to be confused with ravers.

Why is it some christians dont like Gays\Bisexuals. (giggles slightly)
is it not said "Judge not lest ye be judged." i hate them sooo much. hypocrits.
Whats your opinions on this? are there actions justified by their religion?
Shouldnt they take a liberal view in the "Knowledge" that Gays will be judged by god? bisexuals too. (titters)

No, that would be logical.

Now that is just a vicious lie! The gay lifestyle includes DISCO for men and FOLK for women. We, as a community, outlawed Techno in the early 90's, we didnt want to be confused with ravers.
Oh, so sorry. My mistake. I retract my entire statement. Carry on with your gayness.

(mumbles about Bisexuality not being sooo bad)
Personally i think that religious people should be laughed at.
sooo my views here are pretty biased.
But biased towards the RIGHT way ;p

(mumbles about Bisexuality not being sooo bad)
Personally i think that religious people should be laughed at.
sooo my views here are pretty biased.
But biased towards the RIGHT way ;p
And how

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would with a woman. Also gays and bisexuals have an agenda that includes tricking teenagers into thinking that they were "born gay" and seducing them into that immoral and destructive lifestyle.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.

I'd just like to take a moment to encourage all the people who've made the choice to be gay or bisexual in order to make all of us normal people angry to take a moment to pray to Jesus and let him put you on the "Straight" path.
Oh, thanks SOO much. Up until now, I had never committed a sin. You just made me invoke the sin of Idolatry.

I hope you're satisfied.

Well - it is my belief that homosexuality is wrong. But then, it's also my belief that promiscuity is wrong too. And so are a lot of other things that most people do, and I do some of 'em too...

I know in groups of people who start being judgemental the group tends to get smaller and smaller as they pick more and more things to judge people on and gradually eliminate members, until only one person is left. Then they go insane, because they have nobody to hate but themselves.

Oh, thanks SOO much. Up until now, I had never committed a sin. You just made me invoke the sin of Idolatry.

I hope you're satisfied.
Idolatry? How?

Idolatry? How?
You know. Hilarity. God. Etc.

Ahh, never mind. I'll just go commit all the others and get me a full set. Which would then make a great collector's item on Ebay.

Now that is just a vicious lie! The gay lifestyle includes DISCO for men and FOLK for women. We, as a community, outlawed Techno in the early 90's, we didnt want to be confused with ravers.

Well, how then do you explain all those house clubs and crystal meth?

Well - it is my belief that homosexuality is wrong.

How do you figure? Is it like missing a question on a math test wrong, or going east when you need to go west wrong?

Well, how then do you explain all those house clubs and crystal meth?
I knew it! I stand by my first post.

Well, how then do you explain all those house clubs and crystal meth?

i dont associate with those types, if you know what i mean.

i prefer old fashioned drag queens.

what makes even christians think their bible knows what their god likes and dislikes?

=^^=
.../\...

*Ahem*

Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Corinthians 6:8-10 NIV

what makes even christians think their bible knows what their god likes and dislikes?

=^^=
.../\...
Well, there is the fact that the Holy Bible is the word of God himself. I think it says so somewhere in the bible, so you know it's got to be true.














Actually I don't think it says that anywhere in the bible, so please don't post to correct me.

*Ahem*

Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Corinthians 6:8-10 NIV

ok, i'll trade you the kingdom of god for some second-parent adoption rights.

*Ahem*

Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Corinthians 6:8-10 NIV
That letter was written to the Corinthians as an April Fool prank. It's just that those damn Catholics didn't have enough of a sense of humor to figgure it out and they included it in the bible.

I mean really, do you think God has a problem with sexual immorality? He included stories of incest, sexual slavery, and rape in his holy book as the acts of righteous men!

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would with a woman. Also gays and bisexuals have an agenda that includes tricking teenagers into thinking that they were "born gay" and seducing them into that immoral and destructive lifestyle.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.

I'd just like to take a moment to encourage all the people who've made the choice to be gay or bisexual in order to make all of us normal people angry to take a moment to pray to Jesus and let him put you on the "Straight" path.

Really GOD disaproves of most of our life styles. How gay and bisexual life styles are no more sinful then the average teenager who has permarital sex... So if you've had sex out of wedlock.. you in the same sinking boat. As well, AIDS is just as prevalent in heterosexual relationships, and drug abuse, and techno music (especially in Europe) are no more prevalent in homosexual communities then in heterosexual ones.

I question anyone who pretends to better understand GODS path then the next man/woman. We are all equal imperfect sinful beings, who can never hope to truely realize or conceptualize GODs ultimate design. Its also a sin to judge! And I will pray for YOU on that note

How do you figure? Is it like missing a question on a math test wrong, or going east when you need to go west wrong?

Like morally wrong.

Really GOD disaproves of most of our life styles. How gay and bisexual life styles are no more sinful then the average teenager who has permarital sex... So if you've had sex out of wedlock.. you in the same sinking boat. As well, AIDS is just as prevalent in heterosexual relationships, and drug abuse, and techno music (especially in Europe) are no more prevalent in homosexual communities then in heterosexual ones.

I question anyone who pretends to better understand GODS path then the next man/woman. We are all equal imperfect sinful beings, who can never hope to truely realize or conceptualize GODs ultimate design. Its also a sin to judge! And I will pray for YOU on that note
I don't know about you, hellbound polytheist, but I have one God, not Gods.

Because they are repulsed by things that are different to themselves. Religion is just something they use to justify it.

Personally, I am not religious, and don't think religion justifies anything.

Yeah dude,grow up, learn your material, talk to some pastors. I'm not "repusled", sin is sin. I don't care whether you are using God's name in vain, or having sexual orgies with three guys. I don't hate homosexuals or bisexuals. If they want to come to my church, sweet. If they want to get married, well I dunno that is a hard decision. But ultimately ultimately, I will NEVER hate someone because of their sexual disposition. I believe a large amount of Christians can stand behind me in agreement on that.

i dont associate with those types, if you know what i mean.
i prefer old fashioned drag queens.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Well, there is the fact that the Holy Bible is the word of God himself. I think it says so somewhere in the bible, so you know it's got to be true.

Actually I don't think it says that anywhere in the bible, so please don't post to correct me.

I'd also like to note... the Bible is the word of god written in the words of men. Men being imperfect selfserving beings... the words we read are themselves imperfect. As well, us being mere mortals.. how can you or any other claim to understand the intent of the supernatrual ? Your perspective is surely different then the papal ones who preceeded you.. and so forth. No one sees religion in the same light.

Like morally wrong.

What's immoral about it?

Well, there is the fact that the Holy Bible is the word of God himself. I think it says so somewhere in the bible, so you know it's got to be true.



Actually I don't think it says that anywhere in the bible, so please don't post to correct me.

Actualy it dose in II Timothy:

All Scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching rebucking and training in rightouesness

also the catholic church is more open to homosexuality than some protestant religions hence his holiness's letter alowing gays to become priest after 3 years of proving to be abstinate

Actualy it dose in II Timothy:

All Scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching rebucking and training in rightouesness

also the catholic church is more open to homosexuality than some protestant religions hence his holiness's letter alowing gays to become priest after 3 years of proving to be abstinate
Well how about that. I learn something new almost every day here on NS.

I don't know about you, hellbound polytheist, but I have one God, not Gods.

who are you to say the polytheist GODS are not just GOD introducing himself to his children in another form to better fit them ? You've a small mind, with a small perspective. Start to think like a supernatural and you will begin to realize how impossible it is for we mere insects to realize HIS plan.

Personally, I don't have a problem with gay marriage, it's the couple's choice. The way I see it is that the "sanctity of marriage" has already come and gone, why not allow gays to marry or have civil unions?

The United States and it's citizens have alot more to worry about than gays marrying.

I'm sorry to hear that.

the techno thing just never caught on as much here. what can i say? im a traditionalist. im american!

Well how about that. I learn something new almost every day here on NS.

You should learn to respect others, for starters.

Personally, I don't have a problem with gay marriage, it's the couple's choice. The way I see it is that the "sanctity of marriage" has already come and gone, why not allow gays to marry or have civil unions?

The United States and it's citizens have alot more to worry about than gays marrying.

my oppinion is that its the states rights to regulate marrigage since the states hand out the mariage licensoes not the feds (yess i no i cant spell)

who are you to say the polytheist GODS are not just GOD introducing himself to his children in another form to better fit them ? You've a small mind, with a small perspective. Start to think like a supernatural and you will begin to realize how impossible it is for we mere insects to realize HIS plan.
Relax dude, I was just having a little fun with you.

the techno thing just never caught on as much here. what can i say? im a traditionalist. im american!

Rock on.

my oppinion is that its the states rights to regulate marrigage since the states hand out the mariage licensoes not the feds (yess i no i cant spell)

Actually, you have a point, it's one of the state's rights to regulate marriage.

Personally, I don't have a problem with gay marriage, it's the couple's choice. The way I see it is that the "sanctity of marriage" has already come and gone, why not allow gays to marry or have civil unions?

The United States and it's citizens have alot more to worry about than gays marrying.

i read in one of the response letters in The Economist this month a guy talking about that and he basically said that denying gays the right to marry wasn't fair because it means that heterosexuals are the only miserable ones.

i thought that was cheeky, clever.

You should learn to respect others, for starters.
If I've offended you I'm sorry. It was not my intention. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was just fooling around on this thread.

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible (snip!)

i think that true xtians, as is stated in the dead sea scrolls, do not base their faith on a book, but on their gut feelings of goodness toward all living things. that includes gay people and what have you, and i must say it also includes abstaining from the mistreatment of animals. you can't be a true xtian if you dislike God's creatures, for i believe the true christianity is based on love of God. if you love God, truly, you will love all the things that S/he has made. God is in everything. if you start to say "no, not gays" or "no, not mere animals" .. you put a limit on God and throw xtianity to the dogs.

Relax dude, I was just having a little fun with you.

And in my head, I was acting out the part of a BORG ^_^.. its too bad not everyone can see my humor :P... but that comment is more towards those who actually see polythesistic religions as "dangerous"... Those are people who actually do have "Small minds"

*Ahem*

Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Corinthians 6:8-10 NIV
Yeah, because Paul is God. Obviously.

My opinion on the matter is this. Homosexuality is a sin but i do not hate people for being homosexual. Also as a catholic i will follow the holy fathers directions as accepting gays as priest as long as they have proven that they can be trusted in the priesthood

the techno thing just never caught on as much here.

Oh, please. Circuit parties and house clubs are global. You have no deniability, and no need for shame. Except for stealing Queer as Folk and ruining it.

what can i say? im a traditionalist. im american!

Another thing I'm very sorry to hear.

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would with a woman. Also gays and bisexuals have an agenda that includes tricking teenagers into thinking that they were "born gay" and seducing them into that immoral and destructive lifestyle.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.

I'd just like to take a moment to encourage all the people who've made the choice to be gay or bisexual in order to make all of us normal people angry to take a moment to pray to Jesus and let him put you on the "Straight" path.
Ah that old Jesussaves magic, how I miss it...

i read in one of the response letters in The Economist this month a guy talking about that and he basically said that denying gays the right to marry wasn't fair because it means that heterosexuals are the only miserable ones.

i thought that was cheeky, clever.

Nice. I heard a comedian once say that if gays should marry, they should have to adopt two kids, because he was getting sick of their happy-go-lucky attitude.

If I've offended you I'm sorry. It was not my intention. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was just fooling around on this thread.

Gotcha. :D

BTW, is xtianity what the kids are calling it these days?

Vegetarianistica']i think that true xtians, as is stated in the dead sea scrolls, do not base their faith on a book, but on their gut feelings of goodness toward all living things. that includes gay people and what have you, and i must say it also includes abstaining from the mistreatment of animals. you can't be a true xtian if you dislike God's creatures, for i believe the true christianity is based on love of God. if you love God, truly, you will love all the things that S/he has made. God is in everything. if you start to say "no, not gays" or "no, not mere animals" .. you put a limit on God and throw xtianity to the dogs.
What's this "xtian" crap? Keep Christ in Christianity! It's not like we worship Malcom X as our lord and savior, he was just a hellbound infidel.

Seriously, I was talking to Jesus the other night and he hates for his name to be replaced with an X. He might decide, in his great mercy, to smite your ass straight to hell for an eternity of torture if you keep it up.

What's this "xtian" crap? Keep Christ in Christianity! It's not like we worship Malcom X as our lord and savior, he was just a hellbound infidel.

Seriously, I was talking to Jesus the other night and he hates for his name to be replaced with an X. He might decide, in his great mercy, to smite your ass straight to hell for an eternity of torture if you keep it up.

ok first do you even no were the x comes from not from xing out christ but x was the first letter in christ name in greek the xmas thing has been going on for centurys because it was a way of shorting christmas but i guess you should be offended by that to since thats shorting "The Mass of Christ"

Oh, please. Circuit parties and house clubs are global. You have no deniability, and no need for shame. Except for stealing Queer as Folk and ruining it.


You know, I've never actually seen Queer as Folk. My friends always talk about it and I know a girl who has every episode. But I heard it was good? I mean, the L-Word is mediocre and aren't they basically the same show?

ok first do you even no were the x comes from not from xing out christ but x was the first letter in christ name in greek the xmas thing has been going on for centurys because it was a way of shorting christmas but i guess you should be offended by that to since thats shorting "The Mass of Christ"
I'm more offended by your poor spelling and grammar.

Seriously, I was talking to Jesus the other night and he hates for his name to be replaced with an X. He might decide, in his great mercy, to smite your ass straight to hell for an eternity of torture if you keep it up.

whatever worx !

I'm more offended by your poor spelling and grammar.

yes i am awful at spelling if this thing had a spell check id use it

yes i am awful at spelling if this thing had a spell check id use it
Well I'm pretty sure your keyboard has a shift key and some buttons with punctuation marks on them. Why don't you use them?

You know, I've never actually seen Queer as Folk. My friends always talk about it and I know a girl who has every episode. But I heard it was good? I mean, the L-Word is mediocre and aren't they basically the same show?

Only the original British series of just ten episodes is good. No, not good, bloody great! I think you can get it on DVD over there.

The bastardised American version is, as they tend to be, almost like televised ipecac. And the L-word - it's about lesbians. 'Nuff said.

Well I'm pretty sure your keyboard has a shift key and some buttons with punctuation marks on them. Why don't you use them?

because normaly i don't have long post so i don't think of useing them

Well I'm pretty sure your keyboard has a shift key and some buttons with punctuation marks on them. Why don't you use them?

God took them away, because the punctuation marks were involved in sexual immorality with the numerical buttons.

god tuk em away cuz punctuation remarks was having sex with number bottons

God took them away, because the punctuation marks were involved in sexual immorality with the numerical buttons.
Also the period was unclean. See leviticus, chapter 15, verses 19-33.

Also the period was unclean. See leviticus, chapter 15, verses 19-33.

yup yup thats true

Also the period was unclean. See leviticus, chapter 15, verses 19-33.

oh that was clever. i liked it.

The most effective way to describe why homosexuality is wrong was explained by Seth MacFarlane: "If there's two guys, where's the vagina?"

while this only covers 1/2 of homosexuals, i think the bumper sticker "I only agree with gay marraige if both chicks are hot" covers the rest.

Gay people have a divine right to be considered couples! I honestly don't see what the big deal is! First we had issues with black people, women, Native Americans, etc., & now we're saying the gays don't have rights either! :headbang: I'm not gay, but I'd like to know I got a choice if I ever decided to become gay, damn it! PRO-GAY RIGHTS!

Well if it were up to jerry falwell anyone who is gay would be burned at the stake *trtys to get back on topic*

The most effective way to describe why homosexuality is wrong was explained by Seth MacFarlane: "If there's two guys, where's the vagina?"

Who needs a vagina when the anus is so much tighter?

Personally, I think homosexuality is a sin. But at the same time, they have the right to choose to live sinfully. Plus, seeing as to how every human is sinful, they shouldn't be shunned quite so much.

One thing though, I just wish guys would stay masculine wether gay or not XP

if I ever decided to become gay, damn it!

Oh, I remember when I decided to become gay, I got to mail in this coupon and got a toaster oven. Sweetest. Deal. Ever.

Gay people have a divine right to be considered couples! I honestly don't see what the big deal is! First we had issues with black people, women, Native Americans, etc., & now we're saying the gays don't have rights either! :headbang: I'm not gay, but I'd like to know I got a choice if I ever decided to become gay, damn it! PRO-GAY RIGHTS!

1) marrigae is not a right its a privlage thats why you have to get a licenose to be married

2) as i said before this should be left up to the states to decide since they hand out the licensose

3) we are not trying to deny them they're RIGHT to vote or any other RIGHT

EDIT: also i thought this was a civil rights issue not a religous one but i guess not since they have a divine right

First we had issues with black people, women, Native Americans, etc., & now we're saying the gays don't have rights either!

Yeah, those were the good ol' days. If only there were some way to go back to when only property-owning white males could be citizens...

screw gay rights

Personally, I think homosexuality is a sin. But at the same time, they have the right to choose to live sinfully. Plus, seeing as to how every human is sinful, they shouldn't be shunned quite so much.

One thing though, I just wish guys would stay masculine wether gay or not XP

what about effeminate straight men?

1) marrigae is not a right its a privlage thats why you have to get a licenose to be married

2) as i said before this should be left up to the states to decide since they hand out the licensose

3) we are not trying to deny them they're RIGHT to vote or any other RIGHT

sorry friend (you seem to be a fundie like me)

But in America marriage is a right. Land of the free..uh? I'm sure the smarter ones can back me up on that, but I spent a whole semester in me American Government class discussing this subject, and America was designed by our christian/nonchristian founders to be a place where ALL could come and become what they want (within boundaries of course).
2) So, it is up to the states to allow homosexual marriage, I agree.

sorry friend (you seem to be a fundie like me)

But in America marriage is a right. Land of the free..uh? I'm sure the smarter ones can back me up on that, but I spent a whole semester in me American Government class discussing this subject, and America was designed by our christian/nonchristian founders to be a place where ALL could come and become what they want (within boundaries of course).
2) So, it is up to the states to allow homosexual marriage, I agree.

there is only 1 supreme court ruling calling marriage a right and it was dealing with black people and white people marrying and marriage has never been called a right since then

Oh, I remember when I decided to become gay, I got to mail in this coupon and got a toaster oven. Sweetest. Deal. Ever.

You must really like toast.

2) So, it is up to the states to allow homosexual marriage, I agree.

I think that the right to gay marriage is constitutionally protected and any state bans would be in violation of the constitution. maybe i missed that the right to the pursuit of happiness was null and void if you were a pillow-biter, but thats just my interpertation.

Well, to all those people who think that they can be extremely nasty and judgemental towards others just because their holy book says it's okay, may I direct them to this webpage, entitled 'Why Can't I Own A Canadian?'
http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html

there is only 1 supreme court ruling calling marriage a right and it was dealing with black people and white people marrying and marriage has never been called a right since then

I respectfully disagree with the idea you are conveying. What is the difference between color and sexual status these days? Declaring marriage a right for a black and a yellow is as much declaring marriage a right for two homosexuals. Unfortunately, I am resolved on this idea.

there is only 1 supreme court ruling calling marriage a right and it was dealing with black people and white people marrying and marriage has never been called a right since then

marriage is a right. if it were a privilege, then they would take away the ability to get married for convicted felons.

what about effeminate straight men?
"By gay or not", I was trying to imply heteros as well. Effeminate guys just kind of give me the creeps...sorry.

You must really like toast.

You can make mini-pizzas out of bagels and tomato purée in it! It's really great, and seeing what I traded away for it, a bargain.

I think that the right to gay marriage is constitutionally protected and any state bans would be in violation of the constitution. maybe i missed that the right to the pursuit of happiness was null and void if you were a pillow-biter, but thats just my interpertation.

GOD SAVE THE 10TH AMENDMENT

had to get that out of the way but do you no what the 10th Amendmant says it says "Any power not given to the United States is hereby given to the states" was the right to regulate mariage given to the US... NO

By gay or not, I was trying to imply heteros as well. Effeminate guys just kind of give me the creeps...sorry.

Let me see if I get this - you're creeped out by sissies. What does that make you if not a sissy?

I like the irony.

Patriacha - the right to the pursuit of happiness is given to all true american citizens (yes I know my grammar and spelling is degrading, but I am getting excited)

Thanks to Culaypene for giving me the right phrase

You can make mini-pizzas out of bagels and tomato purée in it! It's really great, and seeing what I traded away for it, a bargain.

My toaster doesn't do that. Wait... are you saying you have pizza without cheese?

GOD SAVE THE 10TH AMENDMENT

had to get that out of the way but do you no what the 10th Amendmant says it says "Any power not given to the United States is hereby given to the states" was the right to regulate mariage given to the US... NO

Umm, so how do you reconcile that with interracial marriages? The states don't get to regulate marriage like that, not to mention full faith and credit.

marriage is a right. if it were a privilege, then they would take away the ability to get married for convicted felons.

why do you have mariage licensoes then if you have a license for something its a privlage not a righti got to go now but ill check in on this fourm latter

My toaster doesn't do that. Wait... are you saying you have pizza without cheese?
No, you get a toaster when you open a savings account. When you turn gay they give you a toaster oven. Like when you become an atheist and they give you a set of golf clubs.

My toaster doesn't do that. Wait... are you saying you have pizza without cheese?

Of course not, since this is a toaster oven. I add some mozzarella afterwards and let it melt just slightly from the afterwarmth.

No, you get a toaster when you open a savings account. When you turn gay they give you a toaster oven. Like when you become an atheist and they give you a set of golf clubs.

I never got my golf clubs! :mad:

"By gay or not", I was trying to imply heteros as well. Effeminate guys just kind of give me the creeps...sorry.

:confused:
how so?

so while Pat, Cul, and I are discussing whether marriage is right or privelege, the rest of you are discussing mozerella and toasters?

I never got my golf clubs! :mad:
They were just a cheap set of Wilson clubs. You can pick up a set at your local sporting goods store for around $100 and submit the reciept to the ACLU for a full rebate if you really want them.

Let me see if I get this - you're creeped out by sissies. What does that make you if not a sissy?

I like the irony.
Hehe, irony rocks. And I can see your point, but even so. If a guy wants to be girly, he should get a sex change or something.

Homophobia, at its root, is a common aversion in many cultures to homosexuality. However, it is generally limited strictly to more militaristic societies or societies in which the general stereotype of a homosexual is effeminate and less than a full man. The aversion to this in a militaristic society (such as an European society or in ancient Israel) is obvious, since it was seen that open acceptance of this trait would lead to a drop in the birth rate and a loss of manpower compared to neighbouring states.
As Christianity was altered and mutated into something remotely useful to the heavily militaristic Roman society, homophobia became more widespread. While the Roman upper classes has been indifferent to homosexuality (taking their cue from their cultural masters, the Greeks) the general Roman public had an aversion to "unmanly" traits because of the rather 'utilitarian' and stoic outlook of the harsh life. Homosexuality was seen as one of the traits of the Epicurean and pagan upper classes, and thus was stigmatized. As the Roman Empire fell and Gothic influences became more pronounced following the sacking of Rome in 410, homosexuality entered the netherworld of 'Christian' society.
We're still a rather militaristic and 'macho' society, so that's why there is a decided, if latent, antipathy to homosexuality. It just so happens that prohibitions designed to help ancient Israel expand militarily and strengthen its militaristic society are being used to justify homophobia.
The New Testament holds many prohibitions against sexual immorality. However, this prohibition is held against all sexual conduct without a loving and caring relationship, hopefully ending in marriage. It's condemning all sexual acts which focus someone's mind more on carnal pursuits than intellectual and moral betterment. However, since sodomy's practised by a minority of people, it's easier to condemn that than adultery (something which is figured promenantly in society today). The theory is that if you condemn homosexuality, it will make you feel better when you sin because you're still condemning another sin.

And the X comes from the Greek letter, which is the first letter in Christ. The early church used it. "The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021 AD. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ), used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ") (see Labarum), and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ."

Here in Britain, we allow Civil Partnerships for homosexuals - they get all the same rights and benefits of a married couple, but they are married by the government and not the church, so to speak.
I wouldn't say that religions should be forced to carry out weddings for homosexuals. It's like an insult on both sides - the couple are being married by a religion that sees them as an 'abomination', while the members of the religion are being forced to marry the said 'abominations'. To force such a thing just wouldn't work. However, civil partnerships should be allowed everywhere - gays deserve the same rights as heterosexuals have, as they are just as human.

i never got golf clubs OR a toaster oven. why does no one love me?

Hehe, irony rocks. And I can see your point, but even so. If a guy wants to be girly, he should get a sex change or something.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to avert your gaze if it bugs you, than it is for him to get a sex change surgery for such a flawed reason as someone else's ideas about gender conformity? Hmm?

i never got golf clubs OR a toaster oven. why does no one love me?

Did you send in the coupon like your gay-giver should have told you?

:confused:
how so?
I didn't really mean I get creeped out literally. I would just rather spend time with a girl then a girly guy. Besides, girls look a lot more attractive then guys.

They were just a cheap set of Wilson clubs. You can pick up a set at your local sporting goods store for around $100 and submit the reciept to the ACLU for a full rebate if you really want them.

Tempting, but I don't play golf, except for apple golf. In apple golf, you need lots of old apples. Then you just hit them as hard as you can and watch them explode. At the end of the game everyone wins automatically.

Did you send in the coupon like your gay-giver should have told you?

my gay-giver? oh man, i completely forgot that step! i just kind of plundged into this devient lifestyle headfirst because you know, it felt right. i forgot that i had to wait and catch from someone in the proper way.

do i lose gay points?

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for you to avert your gaze if it bugs you, than it is for him to get a sex change surgery for such a flawed reason as someone else's ideas about gender conformity? Hmm?
That was a joke. Sorry, I'm not exactly the best at making a joke on a forum. Anywho, I do actually agree with the whole "avert your gaze" mentality. Best solution to problems like this is to just not care about the homo next to you and just continue jamming to your ipod. I think society needs a dose of apathy.

Hehe, irony rocks. And I can see your point, but even so. If a guy wants to be girly, he should get a sex change or something.

wait- are we talking about transgendered m to f's or just effeminate..."metrosexual" men? just because he wants to have clean nails, a nice haircut, and freshly pressed clothing doesnt mean he wants boobs and a vagina!

wait- are we talking about transgendered m to f's or just effeminate..."metrosexual" men? just because he wants to have clean nails, a nice haircut, and freshly pressed clothing doesnt mean he wants boobs and a vagina!
What is this metrosexual? *please excuse my ignorance for I am only a simple, sheltered, young teen*

*oh, and don't think that because I'm young, you can come molest me you perverts*

wait- are we talking about transgendered m to f's or just effeminate..."metrosexual" men? just because he wants to have clean nails, a nice haircut, and freshly pressed clothing doesnt mean he wants boobs and a vagina!

Well... i mean i wouldnt mind bre- oh your not talking about me.

my gay-giver? oh man, i completely forgot that step! i just kind of plundged into this devient lifestyle headfirst because you know, it felt right. i forgot that i had to wait and catch from someone in the proper way.

It's a common n00bish mistake. There are fortunately many, many chicken hawks out there to steer you in the right direction. Most tend to be in those house clubs we were talking about earlier, which may be the reason for your having missed out on the proper way to be debauched.

do i lose gay points?

You still have those? We just went over to a peer-system, where to go higher up the ladder someone else has to "bang you up," so to speak. Nevertheless, our gay points were tabulated differently from yours on the other side of the pond - us being lovers of metric sticks and all - so I probably would not have been able to say. Though, I think you can apply for a coupon at your closest GLAAD office that will waive the gay-giver requisite if you have documentation that proves you have lead a gay lifestyle for the last five years. Nothing much, just something to show how you've been working to bring about the end of civilisation.

What is this metrosexual? *please excuse my ignorance for I am only a simple, sheltered, young teen*

*oh, and don't think that because I'm young, you can come molest me you perverts*

metrosexual is a ridiculous term that attempts to explain fashionable men interested in grooming. they're straight, but "look gay."

metrosexual is a ridiculous term that attempts to explain fashionable men interested in grooming. they're straight, but "look gay."
Well they do. I'm a straight guy and I show it. I'm often dressed in a sloppy, comfortable manner, I don't put any "product" in my hair, and I'd never even consider a manicure. In fact, both of my hands have skinned knuckles today because I was working out on a canvas heavy bag without bag gloves earlier.

Ah, I see. Well, I must depart. Thank you all for pressing all these different oppinions upon my young mind. Untill next time, bai bai.

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would with a woman. Also gays and bisexuals have an agenda that includes tricking teenagers into thinking that they were "born gay" and seducing them into that immoral and destructive lifestyle.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.

I'd just like to take a moment to encourage all the people who've made the choice to be gay or bisexual in order to make all of us normal people angry to take a moment to pray to Jesus and let him put you on the "Straight" path.
Please tell me this was satire. If you really believe what is printed above.... I dont know. But what ever horrible things that should happen to you wont be ugly and painful enough to set the balance.

Well they do. I'm a straight guy and I show it. I'm often dressed in a sloppy, comfortable manner, I don't put any "product" in my hair, and I'd never even consider a manicure. In fact, both of my hands have skinned knuckles today because I was working out on a canvas heavy bag without bag gloves earlier.

Can i point out that im Bisexual, and most people when they meet me assume im straight.
Stereotypes make me angry ;p
You wouldnt think by ANY of my mannerisms id consider men.
Well apart from the fact that when a fit guy walks in i tend to blush slightly.
and the fact i tend to go for masculine women...or really feminine women. its one or the other with me really...
But the fact is, i look good without having to try (so im told) and im supposedly metrosexual-Bisexual, soooo we dont ALL go get manicures and stuff. Just the attention seekers.

Please tell me this was satire. If you really believe what is printed above.... I dont know. But what ever horrible things that should happen to you wont be ugly and painful enough to set the balance.

Hehe... Join up with the laugh loudly at stupid people society. youd fit in.

Please tell me this was satire. If you really believe what is printed above.... I dont know. But what ever horrible things that should happen to you wont be ugly and painful enough to set the balance.

Since you asked nicely: it was satire.

It says in the bible...

it also says in the bible to sell your daughters into slavery if they are disobedient, to stone your wife if she is adulterous, and that eating pork and shellfish is sinful

you will sometimes find it isn't the most logical book to base your judgements off of

it also says in the bible to sell your daughters into slavery if they are disobedient, to stone your wife if she is adulterous, and that eating pork and shellfish is sinful

you will sometimes find it isn't the most logical book to base your judgements off of

Well done. Soooo right.
it also says god is real ;p but thats a different topic.

it also says in the bible to sell your daughters into slavery if they are disobedient, to stone your wife if she is adulterous, and that eating pork and shellfish is sinful

you will sometimes find it isn't the most logical book to base your judgements off of
Agreed. If we base our judgements off of other old books we might believe that the world is flat and the center of the universe. We have learned a few things havent we.

it also says in the bible to sell your daughters into slavery if they are disobedient, to stone your wife if she is adulterous, and that eating pork and shellfish is sinful

you will sometimes find it isn't the most logical book to base your judgements off of

I disagree. You took those directives out of context. How can I tell (1) It is not being done today, but plenty of hardlining OT and OT&NT Christians around. Especially for the OT Christians, if they OT, why are they not obeying the law? So, your post does not count.

Agreed. If we base our judgements off of other old books we might believe that the world is flat and the center of the universe. We have learned a few things havent we.

Yeeeh. Its round and IM the center of the universe :D

Agreed. If we base our judgements off of other old books we might believe that the world is flat and the center of the universe. We have learned a few things havent we.
I fail to see what books say these things? Plato's Republic? Eurpedes? I know the bible does not. please give me examples so I can research them.

I fail to see what books say these things? Plato's Republic? Eurpedes? I know the bible does not. please give me examples so I can research them.
Well you got me on the title of books. But research Aristotle B.C.E.384-322. Or Copernicus, Dont know his dates off hand.

Just did it,

fair enough.

If I could jump into this for a moment, allow me to expound what perhaps is closer to the heart of this issue.

Whether or not a Christian approves of homosexuality is not the issue. We all are free to our own opinions. The problem arises when Christians oppose the advancement of gay rights.

If you disregard morals and beliefs and look at this legally, then there really is no justification for anti-homosexual legislation. Marriage is a contract, and the law stipulates that two people have the right to form a contact. However, should homosexual couples receive the benefits of marriage? That is a harder question. Heterosexual couples can give back to society through children, however not all do. Is it fair to say that gay couples shouldn't receive the legal benefits that heterosexual couples do because of the inability to produce children? Hard to say.

However, despite a person's personal convications about homosexuality, aggresive anti-gay actions won't change anyone's opinion, and the correct action for a Christian is to love homosexuals as Christ would despite his or her disagreement with their beliefs. (condoning homosexuality is not biblical)

What do you all say?

Oh, and the Christian approach to old scripture is to believe that the Bible is "living" (in a sense), and that the words and wisdom are timeless. Old Testament law hardly applies here, since God created a new covenant through Jesus Christ according to Christian beliefs.

skimmed and agreed

If I could jump into this for a moment, allow me to expound what perhaps is closer to the heart of this issue.

Whether or not a Christian approves of homosexuality is not the issue. We all are free to our own opinions. The problem arises when Christians oppose the advancement of gay rights.

If you disregard morals and beliefs and look at this legally, then there really is no justification for anti-homosexual legislation. Marriage is a contract, and the law stipulates that two people have the right to form a contact. However, should homosexual couples receive the benefits of marriage? That is a harder question. Heterosexual couples can give back to society through children, however not all do. Is it fair to say that gay couples shouldn't receive the legal benefits that heterosexual couples do because of the inability to produce children? Hard to say.



However, despite a person's personal convications about homosexuality, aggresive anti-gay actions won't change anyone's opinion, and the correct action for a Christian is to love homosexuals as Christ would despite his or her disagreement with their beliefs. (condoning homosexuality is not biblical)

What do you all say?
I would agree with everything you have said if I lived in a christian autocracy. I do not (yet). People should have the same rights. Color, religion, or sexual preference. No one should be considered more or less a citizen based on thier prefered way to get off. Unless we are talking about fiddling kids or coma patients things like that. People doing kids and the "helpless" should be considered less, at the very,very least.

wait I read it a little bit more, and I dunno if I agree as much.

Why is it some christians dont like Gays\Bisexuals. (giggles slightly)
is it not said "Judge not lest ye be judged." i hate them sooo much. hypocrits.
Whats your opinions on this? are there actions justified by their religion?
Shouldnt they take a liberal view in the "Knowledge" that Gays will be judged by god? bisexuals too. (titters)

If your looking for someone to take a beef out on over Christianity saying that homosexuality is sin, the person you should be sending your complaint to is God, he gave us that rule first, we're just repeating it. But don't ask me where God's complaint department is, the Bible says that complaining is bad too, so I guess your out of options.

I don't advocate treating homosexuals as less than citizens or humans. I'm merely ask the question of legal benefits for marriage. I mean, the benefits are there for a reason, and the question is now, should those benefits be extended to homosexual couples? or are they, under the law, entitled to them already?
Equal rights and protection under the law for individuals is a given, to be denied them based on sexuality is simply unconstitutional (at least, in the United States).

Oh, and Theorb, God encourages his people to be honest with him, complaining, venting, etc. is all part of building a relationship with him (at least under Christian beliefs).

If your looking for someone to take a beef out on over Christianity saying that homosexuality is sin, the person you should be sending your complaint to is God, he gave us that rule first, we're just repeating it. But don't ask me where God's complaint department is, the Bible says that complaining is bad too, so I guess your out of options.

Dude! harsh.
I love taking cheap shots at christianity. its no secret man ;p

Dude! harsh.
I love taking cheap shots at christianity. its no secret man ;p
Wait, you wern't being serious?

Dude! harsh.
I love taking cheap shots at christianity. its no secret man ;p

Yes, thank you for your maturity, and intelligent addition to this debate that you started. So far we have Christians either saying they (1) do not hate (2) or that it marriage rights are their for a reason.

No one is screaming homosexuality is evil darkpowerfromsatanomfg!
Grow up, learn your material, talk with a church leader.

Theorb, there's nothing wrong with Christians believing that homosexuality is a sin, but that gives no justification for poor treatment of homosexuals. If God had not acted with loved towards those in sin first, Christians wouldn't exist (this is all from a Christian/Biblical standpoint).

now, now, door corp. I didn't say whether I believe homosexual couples should or shouldn't be given the legal rights and benefits of marriage. I merely raised the question.

I don't advocate treating homosexuals as less than citizens or humans. I'm merely ask the question of legal benefits for marriage. I mean, the benefits are there for a reason, and the question is now, should those benefits be extended to homosexual couples? or are they, under the law, entitled to them already?
Equal rights and protection under the law for individuals is a given, to be denied them based on sexuality is simply unconstitutional (at least, in the United States).

Oh, and Theorb, God encourages his people to be honest with him, complaining, venting, etc. is all part of building a relationship with him (at least under Christian beliefs).
Equal rights and protection is written down, in ink even. But it is not actually practiced. If it were we would not be wondering "if" homosexuals should be "allowed to get married. Women would have a proffessional glass ceiling. We wouldnt have racial profialing at airports. I really think if you are married you get the whole chicken, tax penalties and all.

I don't advocate treating homosexuals as less than citizens or humans. I'm merely ask the question of legal benefits for marriage. I mean, the benefits are there for a reason, and the question is now, should those benefits be extended to homosexual couples? or are they, under the law, entitled to them already?
Equal rights and protection under the law for individuals is a given, to be denied them based on sexuality is simply unconstitutional (at least, in the United States).

Oh, and Theorb, God encourages his people to be honest with him, complaining, venting, etc. is all part of building a relationship with him (at least under Christian beliefs).

Ok, I can understand being honest with God, but complaining isn't like being honest, it's like...well...whining and grumbling and stuff, you can talk to God about something being wrong without complaining about it. Like if I were to pray to God to not let me die if someone shot me 15 times, that wouldn't be complaining, but if I moped around all day and night moaning and groaning about that zit on my forehead and why God is taking so long to heal it, that would be another. Nextly, Numbers 11 pretty well demonstrates what silly complaining does to people, (Come on folks, if your going on and on about everything that bugs you when God is sitting there less than a mile away in plain view leading you around, that's just ridiculous...especially when you've been doing it for the past couple months or something.) and the New Testiment reiterates that type of sentiment again in several places, such as Phillipians 2:14-15, "Do everything without complaining or arguing, so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe". I dunno, it just seems pretty clear complaining isn't a very good thing.

Good point. Although I have to say, as one who is ALWAYS searched at air ports because of his race, I view it as a precaution that may be worth taking, but it's really hard to say.

As far as equal protection goes, you're right. We wouldn't be debating the "ifs" of homosexual marriage, but simply the logistics. Legally, there's little to no basis for allowing only heterosexual marriage.
Although, I'm sure others know the law a bit better than I do, anyone know what parts are pertinent to this discussion, and what the two sides use for their arguments?

What do you mean by the logistics

Theorb, let me try to clear this up. The definition of complaining doesn't include talking to God in those contexts, but doing it behind his back in a human to human transaction of words.

The Bible is clear that God wants our concerns voiced before him, although I would agree that whining is not what he desires. But also remember God has reasons for his laws, and that pulling the "God said so" won't help when you're dealing with non-Christians. It's more important to try analyze and explain the why of God's laws when discussing w/people who don't necessarily believe in Him.

Logistics, would include stipulating whether homosexuals receive the same benefits as heterosexual couples, and all other legislation that may become necessary to ensure, define the rights of, etc. the establishment of gay marriage.

I figure it doesn't really matter what I think about homosexuality, or even what I think that God thinks about it. I was told by Jesus to love my neighbor, so I will. I don't think that gay people should be discriminated against, I do believe they have the same rights as everyone else, because they are just like everyone else. I think it's cruel, and mean, and wrong what some of my fellow Christians go around saying and doing and I won't be a part of it. It's none of my business what goes on between 2 consenting adults, and it's especially not any of the government's business.

I'm inclined to agree with you smunkeeville. Individual rights must the same. For me the gray area seems only to be the rights/entitlements of gay couples. I'm neither for or against full benefits at this stage, still reasoning, learning more, and forming an opinion.

I'm inclined to agree with you smunkeeville. Individual rights must the same. For me the gray area seems only to be the rights/entitlements of gay couples. I'm neither for or against full benefits at this stage, still reasoning, learning more, and forming an opinion.
What exactly are you hung up on? Fathers day celebrations, adoption, how to tax same sex couples, car poole lanes?

I think that it's immoral, but so are so many other things. Divorce for no reason, abortion, promiscuity, violence, drunkenness, and obscenity. Homosexuality shouldn't be singled out among these as being "more bad". But so many people think that being gay is something totally different when it's really just like any other temptation.

I think that it's immoral, but so are so many other things. Divorce for no reason, abortion, promiscuity, violence, drunkenness, and obscenity. Homosexuality shouldn't be singled out among these as being "more bad". But so many people think that being gay is something totally different when it's really just like any other temptation.
Wow. Thats just crazy. I will never understand zelots.

i honestly dont understand how people can walk around saying "lock them all up because they like people of the same gender as their own." i can't understand how a person can be so narrow-minded in a world like this, after all the stuff we've learned, after all the stuff that was done in the past. you would think we would have learned from the past by now and hasn't anyone seen "Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind" where the lesson was dont ignore the past because you'll repeat all your mistakes? it is essentially the same as what white people used to do to black people, or the nazis to the jews. and we're all in agreement that they were wrong. does a christian, who is supposed to be all about love and non-judgement, want to put himself on the same level as a racist bigot or a nazi? i should think not.

i doubt he really cares. its just humans who want power distorting what he says that say its immoral.

i honestly dont understand how people can walk around saying "lock them all up because they like people of the same gender as their own." i can't understand how a person can be so narrow-minded in a world like this, after all the stuff we've learned, after all the stuff that was done in the past. you would think we would have learned from the past by now and hasn't anyone seen "Eternal Sunshine Of A Spotless Mind" where the lesson was dont ignore the past because you'll repeat all your mistakes? it is essentially the same as what white people used to do to black people, or the nazis to the jews. and we're all in agreement that they were wrong. does a christian, who is supposed to be all about love and non-judgement, want to put himself on the same level as a racist bigot or a nazi? i should think not.


exactly. im really sure that god who is all about forgiveness and accepting cares. its just a preference you cant do anything about. he made them that way anyways, and im sure he did it for a reason, and wouldnt take it back.

Theorb, there's nothing wrong with Christians believing that homosexuality is a sin, but that gives no justification for poor treatment of homosexuals. If God had not acted with loved towards those in sin first, Christians wouldn't exist (this is all from a Christian/Biblical standpoint).

Don't blame me, all i've been saying is that Homosexuality is wrong according to the Bible, the closest thing there is to people persecuting gay people in Biblical terms is in leviticus, and that was only when they got caught, and only because God told them to kill them. I mean if your going to ignore God when he's sitting right there on a mountain leading you to the holy land and has done all this stuff for your people for years, chances are your not just being a homosexual because you wanna feel good or something, you have to like conciously sort of snub God, since you probably would know the Law anyway, I mean come on, God is right there. But that law was for among Jews, and is still the old Law, so either way, I shouldn't follow that law because im under a new covanent, I shouldn't follow that law because then I would fall under the curse of the law if I did, and I shouldn't follow it because im probably not even a descendent of a Jewish tribe, and finally I shouldn't follow it because, you know what, it's really hard to spread the gospel while your stoning the person your witnessing to.

Theorb, let me try to clear this up. The definition of complaining doesn't include talking to God in those contexts, but doing it behind his back in a human to human transaction of words.

The Bible is clear that God wants our concerns voiced before him, although I would agree that whining is not what he desires. But also remember God has reasons for his laws, and that pulling the "God said so" won't help when you're dealing with non-Christians. It's more important to try analyze and explain the why of God's laws when discussing w/people who don't necessarily believe in Him.

Logistics, would include stipulating whether homosexuals receive the same benefits as heterosexual couples, and all other legislation that may become necessary to ensure, define the rights of, etc. the establishment of gay marriage.

Well what im trying to say is that you can voice your concerns before God without complaining about it. I agree that we should explain the why's and things, and it would seem to me that complaining all the time would be bad because first, lets face it, complaining gets on everyone's nerves eventually, and it generally implies negative thinking, and when as a Christian you've gained everlasting life through faith in Christ, there isn't much reason to complain about anything, you know? As for the logistics thing, I haven't gotten into that part of this debate yet, so I don't have anything to say about that heh.

Well what im trying to say is that you can voice your concerns before God without complaining about it. I agree that we should explain the why's and things, and it would seem to me that complaining all the time would be bad because first, lets face it, complaining gets on everyone's nerves eventually, and it generally implies negative thinking, and when as a Christian you've gained everlasting life through faith in Christ, there isn't much reason to complain about anything, you know? As for the logistics thing, I haven't gotten into that part of this debate yet, so I don't have anything to say about that heh.
So you are wanting us to tell you what "god thinks".
First: There is no god.
Second: By christian religious standards you are being impious to try and know the mind of god.
Screwed either way really.

So you are wanting us to tell you what "god thinks".
First: There is no god.
Second: By christian religious standards you are being impious to try and know the mind of god.
Screwed either way really.

First: That's your opinion...an opinion which requires absolute knowladge to know for sure, but that's a whole other argument.
Second: No, im using the Bible to back that up, the Bible verses I quoted should of made that kind of clear, and what could anyone possibly whine about after gaining eternal salvation I ask you?

First: That's your opinion...an opinion which requires absolute knowladge to know for sure, but that's a whole other argument.
Second: No, im using the Bible to back that up, the Bible verses I quoted should of made that kind of clear, and what could anyone possibly whine about after gaining eternal salvation I ask you?
You are right it is my opinion. However I cant know anything absolutely I can only go on what is apperent to me. There are scores of things we have evidence of that are not mentioned in the bible. Dinosaurs, huge amounts of time where there were people like animals without the remains of modern people, blah blah blah. I have yet to find one peice of non human created evidence that a god exists. You quotw the bible, its just a book, like dianetics, the book of mormon, the toa de ching or the koran. They dont show us proof of anything. They are just stories used to control people who cant deal witrh life and its reality.

Why is it some christians dont like Gays\Bisexuals. (giggles slightly)
is it not said "Judge not lest ye be judged." i hate them sooo much. hypocrits.
Whats your opinions on this? are there actions justified by their religion?
Shouldnt they take a liberal view in the "Knowledge" that Gays will be judged by god? bisexuals too. (titters)
When, oh when will we get over this crap? Everyone, and that means every... one, is trying to do the best they can with what they have to work with. I suspect most homosexuality is inherent ( i.e. not by choice ). Who and what you are is who and what you are. As a fellow human, I have no right to tell you how to live your life ( unless of course you're a mass murderer, pedophile, rapist, etc. ).

Additionally the bible "The Word of God" has versions. It has been edited by kings and monks throughout its dubious history.

It's too bad that so many people base all of their thoughts and actions around mythology, and when told how silly they are being say "STOP ATTACKING MY RELIGION OR ELSE I'LL BURN YOU AT THE STAKE, YOU RIDICULOUS HEATHEN!!!"

I think you scared them.

im scared.

afaik catholic theology is such, that in heaven, there is a heap of goodness, like a shared bankaccount for all christians, if you have committed too many sins in your life to get into heaven, you can get some from good deeds from that accounts and get admitted to heaven anyway. ofcourse that only works well as long as there are not too many heavy sinners, who would use up this ballance. the idea might also be, that god judges his subjects collectively, i.e. one bad apple ruins the whole bunch.

for other religions it can be explained the following way: they have followed god laws all their lives probably under considerable personal and financial cost. then they see others, who dont follow gods laws, enjoy alcohol, stay in bed on sundays, have a lot of sex etc and they cannot comprehend, that this could be right, god cannot possibly want these sinners to have a better life than the pious.
now god is probably too busy to punish the infidels, who break his laws and we will do him a great service by sending these sinners to hell early or at least punish them for him.

im scared as well, what religion is that guy talking about?

Wow. Thats just crazy. I will never understand zealots.

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You are entitled to your opinion. Perhaps I misstated what I meant. I was actually speaking in favor of homosexual marriage, after all. Does that shock you? I want homosexuals to have civil rights. I'm saying that America is supposed to be a place where people have civil rights and political and personal freedoms. Not everyone will agree to follow the tenets of any religion, much less be willing follow them 100% of the time. Thus, a theocracy will surely fail! We should allow the homosexuals to be recognized by the law. I just wanted to give the Christian hypocrites something to think about, that being a promiscuous heterosexual is not better than being actively homosexual. And those of you who consider homosexual marriage such a horrible thing, think of abortion and the death penalty. Among those, same-sex marriage is the least of the three.

Take care.

for other religions it can be explained the following way: they have followed god laws all their lives probably under considerable personal and financial cost. then they see others, who dont follow gods laws, enjoy alcohol, stay in bed on sundays, have a lot of sex etc and they cannot comprehend, that this could be right, god cannot possibly want these sinners to have a better life than the pious.
now god is probably too busy to punish the infidels, who break his laws and we will do him a great service by sending these sinners to hell early or at least punish them for him.

The pious...it is harder to be truly pious than most people imagine. If you get nothing out of church and cannot understand why you abstain from certain common pleasures, then you ARE living a hollow, boring life. But if you do seek further understanding you will realize that you are doing something more meaningful. The ones who don't follow God's plan don't really have a better life because they are so wrapped up in ego-consciousness and are not involved in dimensions higher than that.

I also must mention another of your points, about sinners. We should not treat other sinners (yes we're sinners too!) cruelly or in an unforgiving way. And we have no say in their salvation or condemnation. God enjoys communication with all of us. And if someone has committed more sins than I, and yet comes to a more advanced relationship with God than mine, then so be it!

I think that the right to gay marriage is constitutionally protected and any state bans would be in violation of the constitution. maybe i missed that the right to the pursuit of happiness was null and void if you were a pillow-biter, but thats just my interpertation.

Not quite so. The States have the right to decide who gets married(very specifically), however, it never specifies(nor really alludes) to the idea of homosexual marriage. That being said, I am pro-gay marriage, however it is entirely up to the States to decide.

Not quite so. The States have the right to decide who gets married(very specifically), however, it never specifies(nor really alludes) to the idea of homosexual marriage. That being said, I am pro-gay marriage, however it is entirely up to the States to decide.

I'm not sure if you are describing what is or what should be.

Arguably, both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment means that states must recognize same-sex marriage.

First, because marriage has already been recognized by SCOTUS as a fundamental right that cannot be denied by a state.

Second, because it is discrimination on the basis of gender.

True, SCOTUS has not yet held that states must recognize gay marriage. It should do so, however.

The Lord doesn't approve of the gay or bisexual lifestyle. It says in the bible that a man shouldn't lay with another man as he would with a woman. Also gays and bisexuals have an agenda that includes tricking teenagers into thinking that they were "born gay" and seducing them into that immoral and destructive lifestyle.

The gay lifestyle is very self destructive. It involves AIDS, drug abuse, and techno music. All of which have a severe impact on the health of the individual and society in general forum.

I'd just like to take a moment to encourage all the people who've made the choice to be gay or bisexual in order to make all of us normal people angry to take a moment to pray to Jesus and let him put you on the "Straight" path.

I love Baptists. They're so fun to make fun of!

I am just curious as to the 13 people who voted the aids option are ... and if they really are stupid enough to believe that tripe.

I love Baptists. They're so fun to make fun of!
we are not. :mad:

Yes you are.

:rolleyes: never mind