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"Ethical Spying?" "Espionage Moral Compass?"

Eutrusca
28-01-2006, 17:36
COMMENTARY: I have to admit that the first time I thought of when I read this was "Moral Compass? Are they taking the same online test lots of NS Generalites have taken???" :eek:

So is there such a thing as an "ethical spy?"


An Exotic Tool for Espionage: Moral Compass (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/politics/28ethics.html?_r=1&th&emc=th)


By SCOTT SHANE
Published: January 28, 2006
WASHINGTON, Jan. 27 — Is there such a thing as an ethical spy?


A group of current and former intelligence officers and academic experts think there is, and they are meeting this weekend to dissect what some others in the field consider a flat-out contradiction in terms.

The organizers say recent controversies over interrogation techniques bordering on torture and the alleged skewing of prewar intelligence on Iraq make their mission urgent. At the conference on Friday and Saturday in a Springfield, Va., hotel, the 200 attendees hope to begin hammering out a code of ethics for spies and to form an international association to study the subject.

Conference materials describe intelligence ethics as "an emerging field" and call the gathering, not sponsored by any government agency, the first of its kind. The topics include "Spiritual Crises Among Intelligence Operatives," "Lessons From Abu Ghraib," "Assassination: The Dream and the Nightmare" and "The Perfidy of Espionage."

Organizers said conferees would ponder such timely issues as how many civilian deaths can be justified in a C.I.A. Predator missile strike to kill a known terrorist, or what legal assurances a National Security Agency eavesdropper should demand before singling out the phone calls of an American who was linked to Al Qaeda.

"As an intelligence officer, you are confronted with ethical dilemmas every day," said Melissa Boyle Mahle, who retired from the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002 after 14 years as a case officer, much of it under cover in the Middle East.

Ms. Mahle, now a foreign policy consultant, was scheduled to speak Saturday on the practice of rendition, in which terrorism suspects are seized abroad and delivered either to trial in the United States or to imprisonment in other countries.

But in a required security review, the C.I.A. refused to clear about one-fourth of her proposed 23-page text, Ms. Mahle said Friday. She said the deletions "gutted" the paper and made it impossible to deliver. She decided to attend the conference anyway, because she believes its goal is "so important."

While she had received C.I.A. training on agency rules and the law, Ms. Mahle recalled that she got "none whatsoever" in ethics. But she found that her work demanded constant moral balancing.

Ms. Mahle said she came up with her own ad-hoc ethical checklist, including imagining what her mother would say about a proposed action or how she herself would feel if it were described on the front page of an American newspaper. But she believes any officer would benefit from more rigorous training in moral decision-making.

"You're the point of the spear, and no one's going to be there to make decisions for you," she said.

Not all agree. "It doesn't make much sense to me," said Duane R. Clarridge, who retired in 1988 after 33 years as a C.I.A. operations officer and who will not attend the conference. "Depending on where you're coming from, the whole business of espionage is unethical."

To Mr. Clarridge, "intelligence ethics" is "an oxymoron," he said. "It's not an issue. It never was and never will be, not if you want a real spy service." Spies operate under false names, lie about their jobs, and bribe or blackmail foreigners to betray their countries, he said.

"If you don't want to do that," he added, "just have a State Department."

Mr. Clarridge's view may be colored by his history; he was indicted on perjury charges in 1991, accused of lying to Congress about the Iran-contra affair. He was pardoned in 1992 by President George H. W. Bush.

But skepticism about the ethics project inside the agencies is widespread, conference participants said, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized by their agencies to be quoted. "A lot of current intelligence practitioners are afraid to come," said one who is attending. "They think it could be held against them."

Judith A. Emmel, a spokeswoman for the director of national intelligence, said American intelligence officers received training on "legal issues appropriate to their responsibilities," and on ethical regulations governing matters like conflicts of interest.

Paul Gimigliano, a C.I.A. spokesman, said the agency had "a robust ethics training program" that focused on "integrity, honesty and accountability" and included the use of case studies. As for the agency's deletions from proposed speeches, by Ms. Mahle or any other former employee, he said such editing was based on the secrecy agreement employees sign and was "only to ensure that they contain no classified material," not to censor anyone's opinions.

[ This article is two pages long. To read the rest of the article, go here (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/politics/28ethics.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&th&emc=th). ]
Randomlittleisland
28-01-2006, 17:43
"Yes, we're still going to abduct you, take you to a foreign country, and watch you being tortured just in case you might be a terrorist but we'll feel really bad about ourselves later".;)

Reminds me of the two trigger-happy cops in Hitchhikers Guide.
[NS:::]Vegetarianistica
28-01-2006, 17:51
after this quote -->

"Assassination: The Dream and the Nightmare"

--> i could not force myself to continue the article.
BogMarsh
28-01-2006, 17:56
Even spies need rules.
Lest they go touting info to the wrong side.
The Infinite Dunes
28-01-2006, 17:59
If it's possible to conduct war in an ethical manner than I'm sure it's possible to conduct intelligence in an ethical way.
Letila
28-01-2006, 18:02
after this quote -->

"Assassination: The Dream and the Nightmare"

--> i could not force myself to continue the article.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
Eutrusca
28-01-2006, 18:02
If it's possible to conduct war in an ethical manner then I'm sure it's possible to conduct intelligence in an ethical way.
You have a degree of assurance about that which escapes me. I rather suspect that, should virtually any nation wind up in a life or death struggle, all the "ethics" and "rules" would quickly go out the window for both intelligence-gathering and warfighting. With your very survival at stake, you tend to apply the "whatever works" paradigm.
Eutrusca
28-01-2006, 18:04
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
I just noticed this: "Letila is a Wagner free zone. Help us work toward a world without Wagner." Why don't you like Wagner?
The Infinite Dunes
28-01-2006, 18:09
You have a degree of assurance about that which escapes me. I rather suspect that, should virtually any nation wind up in a life or death struggle, all the "ethics" and "rules" would quickly go out the window for both intelligence-gathering and warfighting. With your very survival at stake, you tend to apply the "whatever works" paradigm.Indeed. Though the of ethics could be considered to be avoiding these things by not forcing your oppnents hand till he's in a life of death situation.

Forget nations, virtually any person will forget about ethics when in a life or death situation. Atheists call them idiots, and other people call them Martyrs, or even Saviors.
Letila
28-01-2006, 19:36
I just noticed this: "Letila is a Wagner free zone. Help us work toward a world without Wagner." Why don't you like Wagner?

Well, he was a far right winger who abandoned leftism, thus giving fascism awesome music and leaving the left with crappy punk. From what I've heard of his music, it is is excelent, though.
Sel Appa
28-01-2006, 21:01
Aww man, I thought this was another one of those political quiz thingies.