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Do you hold FDR responsible for not trying to stop the holocaust and for not letting people now about it, or even tell Germany what it was doing was evil?

From what I have gathered from looking around the web, he refused to bomb the camps or the train tracks because it would use up materials.

There are many articles that I have looked at that caught my eye, but this one seems the most official, so I'm posting it here.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=49973&highlight=

WASHINGTON, May 13 (UPI) -- Eight million pages of U.S. documents released Thursday reveal new evidence of U.S. intelligence agencies' close involvement with Nazi war criminals and indicate U.S. agents knew about Germany's plans for genocide sooner than thought.

The revelations have aroused debate about current U.S. intelligence practices and cast shadows over the record of U.S. officials who knew that Nazi Germany was rounding up and killing Jews by the millions but did little to stop it.

Besides revealing U.S. intelligence connections to Nazi war criminals, the documents show U.S. intelligence knew about Nazi genocide earlier than thought.

The documents show that U.S. agents conducted in-depth interviews in 1941 and 1942 with Jews who had escaped Germany or German-occupied territories. Some of those interviews included details of Hitler's campaign to kill all European Jews.

Despite ample information from credible sources, the United States did not make an official statement that Germany was pursuing a policy of mass extermination until six months after the intelligence had been gathered.

Historian Richard Breitman said the documents show that U.S. intelligence was gathering a great deal of useful information, but "The significance of this information was not properly recognized or used either during the war or after."

Everyone in Europe and America knew about it by 1940. No one gave a rat's ass about it.

Everyone in Europe and America knew about it by 1940. No one gave a rat's ass about it.

So do you think its his fault that he didnt try to stop it?

For the OP:
Yes, he did the wrong thing, but so did everyone else. Indeed, in 1940 even the Germans didn't really know about the Holocaust just yet.

For the Poll:
No, FDR is in no way responsible for the Holocaust, because his actions could have done nothing to end it, and IMHO, if the US had joined the war earlier, it wouldn't have ended much earlier, because the US Army was puny then, and support for the Soviets couldn't have gotten much greater than it was anyways.

So do you think its his fault that he didnt try to stop it?

More importantly: What could he have done?

For the OP:
Yes, he did the wrong thing, but so did everyone else. Indeed, in 1940 even the Germans didn't really know about the Holocaust just yet.

For the Poll:
No, FDR is in no way responsible for the Holocaust, because his actions could have done nothing to end it, and IMHO, if the US had joined the war earlier, it wouldn't have ended much earlier, because the US Army was puny then, and support for the Soviets couldn't have gotten much greater than it was anyways.

The German people didnt know, but the American GOVERNMENT knew. I didnt ask if he was responsible for the holocaust I asked if it was his fault for not doing anything to try to stop it. Like bombing the railroads, or bombing the camps themselves. We knew exactly what was going on there.

More importantly: What could he have done?

see my post above.

Like bombing the railroads...
Then they would've made them march. Not pleasant either.

...or bombing the camps themselves.
And kill all the people in it? I don't think the inmates would have been provided with bunkers.
Not to mention that the location of the camps would have meant long flights into a Europe that was still pretty well defended, while later in '43 and onwards the air defence was no longer as strong.

We knew exactly what was going on there.
Obviously. You also could've asked IBM.

My point was that actual extermination was not really decided until the Wannsee Conference, which was in early 1942. Before that, no one could have known about the Holocaust as we know it today.

Just the opposite. I blame FDR for trying to stop the holocaust. It’s not that I’m anti-Semitic or anything, I just think Europe should have sorted its own problems out, as it was fully capable of doing. We should never have been involved.

[QUOTE=Neu Leonstein]And kill all the people in it? I don't think the inmates would have been provided with bunkers.
Not to mention that the location of the camps would have meant long flights into a Europe that was still pretty well defended, while later in '43 and onwards the air defence was no longer as strong.[QUOTE]

Sure...I would have killed the people the people and it and saved the rest of the millions that would be brought to them later.

Just the opposite. I blame FDR for trying to stop the holocaust. It’s not that I’m anti-Semitic or anything, I just think Europe should have sorted its own problems out, as it was fully capable of doing. We should never have been involved.

So if all European Jewry were wiped out, you woulndt care because its "their problem"?

[QUOTE=Neu Leonstein]And kill all the people in it? I don't think the inmates would have been provided with bunkers.
Not to mention that the location of the camps would have meant long flights into a Europe that was still pretty well defended, while later in '43 and onwards the air defence was no longer as strong.[QUOTE]

Sure...I would have killed the people the people and it and saved the rest of the millions that would be brought to them later.

Those millions would have been employed as slave labor to rebuild the camps and then get to live there themselves.

Sure...I would have killed the people the people and it and saved the rest of the millions that would be brought to them later.
Meh, it wouldn't have saved anyone. The camps could be repaired easily, and even if not, you don't need a camp to kill someone if you have a gun.

I don't think there was any way to stop the Holocaust from occuring, bar defeating the Nazis. And that was tried (albeit late in the case of the US).

Through the OSS, efforts were made to help those on their way into the work/concentration camps.

I forget his name entirely, because I researched this two years ago, but the US government provided an immegrant from an Eastern European nation with a diplomatic position and immunity FROM that nation. Then he was given passes that were for Jews supposedly necessary for the country's welfare.

This guy went around to train stations pretending to be a diplomat with a diplomatic retinue, and he called out common Hebrew names until people realized what was going on, and came forward to pick up the passes.

My information's vague, I know, but at least it was an effort to save lives, if a somewhat indirect one, that FDR helped arrange.

[QUOTE=The Atlantian islands][QUOTE=Neu Leonstein]And kill all the people in it? I don't think the inmates would have been provided with bunkers.
Not to mention that the location of the camps would have meant long flights into a Europe that was still pretty well defended, while later in '43 and onwards the air defence was no longer as strong.

Those millions would have been employed as slave labor to rebuild the camps and then get to live there themselves.

How do you know? This is only your opinion. The only fact here is that we knew about the holocaust and did NOTHING...not even leak the fact that there was a holocaust. Even if we did not take physical action, why not tell the people. Tell the Americans, tell the Germans, TELL THE WORLD?!?

How do you know? This is only your opinion. The only fact here is that we knew about the holocaust and did NOTHING...not even leak the fact that there was a holocaust. Even if we did not take physical action, why not tell the people. Tell the Americans, tell the Germans, TELL THE WORLD?!?

The world knew.

The world didn't care.

So if all European Jewry were wiped out, you woulndt care because its "their problem"?
Exactly.

Just the opposite. I blame FDR for trying to stop the holocaust. It’s not that I’m anti-Semitic or anything, I just think Europe should have sorted its own problems out, as it was fully capable of doing. We should never have been involved.

Genocide is not a "local problem", it is a scar upon the face of all humanity.

Genocide is not a "local problem", it is a scar upon the face of all humanity.
That’s your opinion. Too bad you're spending my money on it.

That’s your opinion. Too bad you're spending my money on it.

I'm not spending your money on it, you're democratically elected government is spending your money on it, as it has every right to do.

I think it's sad that you don't seem to be aware of any sense of morality that extends beyond the breadth of your wallet.

I'm not spending your money on it, you're democratically elected government is spending your money on it, as it has every right to do.

I think it's sad that you don't seem to be aware of any sense of morality that extends beyond the breadth of your wallet.

That's the type of person who gives Libertarians a bad name.

For the Poll:
No, FDR is in no way responsible for the Holocaust, because his actions could have done nothing to end it, and IMHO, if the US had joined the war earlier, it wouldn't have ended much earlier, because the US Army was puny then, and support for the Soviets couldn't have gotten much greater than it was anyways.

People should re-read this a couple times.

People should re-read this a couple times.

Actually, the USA wasn't puny. It was just woefully out of date. Like the French, British, and Soviet armies.

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How do you know? This is only your opinion. The only fact here is that we knew about the holocaust and did NOTHING...not even leak the fact that there was a holocaust. Even if we did not take physical action, why not tell the people. Tell the Americans, tell the Germans, TELL THE WORLD?!?

Would it have mattered?

Where was the world when Rwanda went down?

Where is the world for Dafur?

Actually, the USA wasn't puny. It was just woefully out of date. Like the French, British, and Soviet armies.

Only 75 thousand men that were remotely ready for combat. Most of them were in the Pacific.

The U.S did the world one hell of a service during the 2nd World War and I really am tired of people who will take their partisanship so far as to actually attempt to distort history. If they check their textbooks I believe they will discover that is was the Nazis who were responsible for the holocaust. If they acquaint themselves with the basics of military strategy they will discover that there was very little that anyone could have done to prevent it.

Would it have mattered?

Where was the world when Rwanda went down?

Where is the world for Dafur?

"The dead remember our indifference. The dead remember our silence."

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"The dead remember our indifference. The dead remember our silence."

Now President Marshall would be somebody to have in office! ;)

So true *remembers two friends lost in Rwanda* :(

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"The dead remember our indifference. The dead remember our silence."

Are we talking about the 6 million Jewish victims of the holocaust now, or the tens of millions of soldiers and civilians alike who died in the struggle against Nazism?

But I accept your general point.

Are we talking about the 6 million Jewish victims of the holocaust now, or the tens of millions of soldiers and civilians alike who died in the struggle against Nazism?

But I accept your general point.

Actually that was about the 200,000 civilians who died in General Riddick's campaign of terror in Kazakhstan... in the movie Air Force One.

But I'm watching the movie now and no sooner had I opened this thread then I heard him say those two lines. It felt appropriate.

Would it have mattered?

Where was the world when Rwanda went down?

Where is the world for Dafur?

It's a little know fact of international law, but its not genocide if it involves black people. I'm not kidding.

The world (read the G8) couldn't wait to charge into kosvo to stop the genocide. Then pat itself on the back for a job well done. On the other hand, darfur, eastern congo, &c. are of supreme disinterest. The only reason I can fathom - as neither area is of particular strategic interest to the US/CAN/AUS/UK is that it involved white people.

I don't honestly approve.

It's a little know fact of international law, but its not genocide if it involves black people. I'm not kidding.

The world (read the G8) couldn't wait to charge into kosvo to stop the genocide. Then pat itself on the back for a job well done. On the other hand, darfur, eastern congo, &c. are of supreme disinterest. The only reason I can fathom - as neither area is of particular strategic interest to the US/CAN/AUS/UK is that it involved white people.

I don't honestly approve.

Look at it this way: Now at least it's genocide when it happens to Muslims. A significant improvment.

It's a little know fact of international law, but its not genocide if it involves black people. I'm not kidding.

The world (read the G8) couldn't wait to charge into kosvo to stop the genocide. Then pat itself on the back for a job well done. On the other hand, darfur, eastern congo, &c. are of supreme disinterest. The only reason I can fathom - as neither area is of particular strategic interest to the US/CAN/AUS/UK is that it involved white people.

I don't honestly approve.

Oh I know. Unless it changed recently the last I remember was they were investigating the possibility of Genocide in Rwanda. A step up from not even saying the dreaded "g" word. But still :rolleyes:

What the hell is the point in arguing about this? Hindsight is always 20/20. We who live after the events always think that we know what was right, what should have been done. But the events on the ground and the geopolitical atmosphere at the time did not allow the United States to do what perhaps should have been done, if the suggestions made earlier in this thread were even possible, which really they weren't. So really, what's the point?:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

What the hell is the point in arguing about this? Hindsight is always 20/20. We who live after the events always think that we know what was right, what should have been done. But the events on the ground and the geopolitical atmosphere at the time did not allow the United States to do what perhaps should have been done, if the suggestions made earlier in this thread were even possible, which really they weren't. So really, what's the point?:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Why?

Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

Oh I know. Unless it changed recently the last I remember was they were investigating the possibility of Genocide in Rwanda. A step up from not even saying the dreaded "g" word. But still :rolleyes:

It's pathetic.

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How do you know? This is only your opinion. The only fact here is that we knew about the holocaust and did NOTHING...not even leak the fact that there was a holocaust. Even if we did not take physical action, why not tell the people. Tell the Americans, tell the Germans, TELL THE WORLD?!?
Wouldn't do any good.

Exactly.

First of all, your a piece of shit with absolutly no morals. Secondly, your the type of weak minded person who the nazis would have loved to have live in the 1940's. In Mein Kampf when Hitler was talking about doing something to the Jews, he stated that when asked how he was going to get away with something like that, he said, something along the lines of people dont care, the ottomans masacred the Christian Aremians but the world was quit to forget. Once I finish my job it will only be a matter of time before the world forgets because the world doesnt care.

Sounds like someone I know...doesnt it?

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Wouldn't do any good.

Why not...the german people could have tried to overthrow the government, like Hitlers top generals tried to do years later...etc the point is something might have happend, as opposed to nothing.

We could also blame the British, French, Italian, Asst. Balkan States, Latvia, etc. etc. for the Holocaust, THEY knew about it, didnt they?
And what did they do?
'Oh gosh, Mr Hitler, we dont mind that your killing off a bunch of assorted minorities just because you happen to not like the way they talk, its perfectly all right! Here, have some land! Versaillis? Whats that? Some sort of French cheese? Hahahaha!'
Anyway...
Yes, the US is at fault. But if your going to blame the US, you should also blame the European powers and all the other states for not acting. And dont forget the German People who knew about it but didnt do anything, in most cases.
Seriously, its like blaming the Opium Wars on the US because we KNEW that half of China was addicted to the stuff and didnt provide a way for them to get off the stuff.

First of all, your a piece of shit with absolutly no morals. Secondly, your the type of weak minded person who the nazis would have loved to have live in the 1940's. In Mein Kampf when Hitler was talking about doing something to the Jews, he stated that when asked how he was going to get away with something like that, he said, something along the lines of people dont care, the ottomans masacred the Christian Aremians but the world was quit to forget. Once I finish my job it will only be a matter of time before the world forgets because the world doesnt care.

Sounds like someone I know...doesnt it?

Now that counts as a Godwin! Good show!

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Why not...the german people could have tried to overthrow the government, like Hitlers top generals tried to do years later...etc the point is something might have happend, as opposed to nothing.

First you have to show if the people didn't like Hitler. They liked as he gave them the rhetoric they wanted to hear.....

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First you have to show if the people didn't like Hitler. They liked as he gave them the rhetoric they wanted to hear.....

Thats easy. Some did, and some didnt, just look at the German polls as he WAS democraticly elected.

Frabkly, all the allied governments were to blame equally. A tougher, more focused policy could probabaly have stopped the holocaust to some degree. However, I tend to agree with an essay I read in More What If: Alternative History, in which a historian puts the case forward that the Pope during the war, whose name I forget, could have ended or at the very least crippled the Holocaust with a single speech in 1942-43. Yet, he did not. And to me that makes him far more guilty than Churchill, FDR, DeGaulle and the others combined. At least they did something, however half-hearted or disorganised.

Now that counts as a Godwin! Good show!

Thanks, bro. But in all seriousness, its people like that guy who make the world a worse place and allow things like this to happen. I can honestly say I HATE people like that. "I dont care, its their problem if Jews are being slaughtered just for being Jews".

Frabkly, all the allied governments were to blame equally. A tougher, more focused policy could probabaly have stopped the holocaust to some degree. However, I tend to agree with an essay I read in More What If: Alternative History, in which a historian puts the case forward that the Pope during the war, whose name I forget, could have ended or at the very least crippled the Holocaust with a single speech in 1942-43. Yet, he did not. And to me that makes him far more guilty than Churchill, FDR, DeGaulle and the others combined. At least they did something, however half-hearted or disorganised.

Thats true...the Pope was a son of a bitch that fully knew that Jews were being slaughtered and didnt care simply because, they were Jews. However, it is important to also note, that the Church turned around 180 degress afterward, particulary with Pope John Paul II. He was a great man, and I'm not even Catholic, lol.

Thats true...the Pope was a son of a bitch that fully knew that Jews were being slaughtered and didnt care simply because, they were Jews. However, it is important to also note, that the Church turned around 180 degress afterward, particulary with Pope John Paul II. He was a great man, and I'm not even Catholic, lol.

Thats the truth. John Paul II was a living saint - I think he did a lot to make up for the awful actions of the man before him...he truly was a great man.

Thats the truth. John Paul II was a living saint - I think he did a lot to make up for the awful actions of the man before him...he truly was a great man.

Yeah, he truley witnessed the 20th century at its worst, so he knew what he was dealing with. What with growing up in Poland and having to subjected to the Nazis attack on Poland and the holocaust, and having to be subjected to Soviet 'claim' on Poland and to its professed atheism. Great man, I have alot of respect for him. God bless his soul.

He had no authority to attack germany without some broad mandate from the americans, which he didnt get until pearl harbor.

As for telling germany that "what they were doing is evil," I assume the germans thought what they were doing was a good idea, and that roosevelt's opinion would not have swayed them.

He had no authority to attack germany without some broad mandate from the americans, which he didnt get until pearl harbor.

As for telling germany that "what they were doing is evil," I assume the germans thought what they were doing was a good idea, and that roosevelt's opinion would not have swayed them.

Thats not what I meant, I meant tell the people, because the holocaust was kept from the majority of the German population.

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How do you know? This is only your opinion. The only fact here is that we knew about the holocaust and did NOTHING...not even leak the fact that there was a holocaust. Even if we did not take physical action, why not tell the people. Tell the Americans, tell the Germans, TELL THE WORLD?!?

Do you think that Americans would have cared? America was isolationist at the time, and most probably wouldn't give rats ass about a Jewish holocaust(The jewish american community was almost non-existant at the time), or would have felt the government was playing it up. The Germans? Hah. Hitler played them like a fiddle. He made Germans hate the Jews. Telling the Germans would have done bup-kiss. As for the world-they knew just as much as we knew, more than likely.

By leaking this information, it would have done nothing at all.

Thats not what I meant, I meant tell the people, because the holocaust was kept from the majority of the German population.

Hitler was a brilliant speaker. German propaganda of the time was second to none. He made the German people hate the Jews. Hell, after seeing some German WWII propaganda, it quite easy to see why. He depicted them as the root of all Germany's problems in such a way that it was almost impossible to see otherwise for the layman. I wouldn't doubt that there may have been some who produced the propaganda actually believed it.

(The jewish american community was almost non-existant at the time)

Not true.

By leaking this information, it would have done nothing at all.

But my point is, that it might have...

Not true.

Perhaps "non-existent" was a bad choice of words. Let's try "small minority". There weren't nearly enough to really give any sway, and they tended to be in very distinct ethnic group. He wouldn't have gotten the support he needed, due to the relatively small number of American Jews, and due to the isolationist policies which much of Americans favored.


But my point is, that it might have...

Big might. You seem to be using very basic logic here. You are only taking into account a single variable. However, it is not that easy. When taking into account the growing isolationism of the time, the Depression(causing economic strain), and the hope that the public would not be apathetic(Remember, we had our own problems back home), it's not nearly as likely as you would like to believe.

Also, one must consider the ramifications of such an action. By making such information public, you would greatly risk your agents in the field, who relayed valuable information from Germany, thus affecting the overall ability to combat Germany later on(which was inevitable). Also, this could have the reverse affect, with Germany speeding it's Holocaust to far more drastic numbers in a rush to exterminate the jewish people.

Thats not what I meant, I meant tell the people, because the holocaust was kept from the majority of the German population.

Which is not entirely true.
Most people kne fully well how jews were treated, because they treated them so themselves, and most people knew jews and other minorities were inprisoned in camps, or deported into the east. Not asking what happened to them then was a concious act of compliance, knowing you too would be put in a camp if you did.
And once the Holocaust, i.e. the industrial genocide, started, everybody knew what happened. Thousands of people brought into the same camp, yet not a single one leaving it again? Industriously working chimneys that produced a smoke smelling of burned flesh, but nothing else? Guards off-duty telling people they "can´t tell what happens in there or I will be shot"?
If you still didn´t know by then, you were obviously retarded (btw, another group tried to extinct).
Come to think of it... people voting an advocate of an obviously illogical and homicidical ideology... sounds already retarded to me...

As for telling the world: Mein Kampf was published in English in 1930, mayhaps even earlier, and the edition I have at hand has the words "The Bluprint of German Imperialism" printed on its cover in fat letters. Anyone interested in what Hitler was up to could have known by simply reading that book - which is actually quite funny, lacking in such unnecessary things as grammar or coherence - it´s all in there.

Don´t blame anybody for not telling you when it´s your own lazyness that´s at fault.

Not really, it was more his advisors and Breckinridge Long that are to blame. He can take a little blame for hiring those scum.

Hitler was a brilliant speaker. German propaganda of the time was second to none. He made the German people hate the Jews. Hell, after seeing some German WWII propaganda, it quite easy to see why. He depicted them as the root of all Germany's problems in such a way that it was almost impossible to see otherwise for the layman. I wouldn't doubt that there may have been some who produced the propaganda actually believed it.

Besides, the nazis had some groundwork already laid for them, in as far as anti-semitism in Germany was already quite strong before the NSdAP came into power, and the uberfather of German Imperialism and authoritianism, Bismarck paved the way by denouncing people or groups he disliked as parasites (f.e. the Polish minority in Prussia), thus making it quite easy for the nazis to disperse that 'subhuman' nonsense.

And kill all the people in it? I don't think the inmates would have been provided with bunkers.
Not to mention that the location of the camps would have meant long flights into a Europe that was still pretty well defended, while later in '43 and onwards the air defence was no longer as strong.
Bombing the camps closes them down. If Auschwitz(sp?) was destroyed early, it would have saved many lives. For each one destroyed, the others will be more filled and slowed down.

Just the opposite. I blame FDR for trying to stop the holocaust. It’s not that I’m anti-Semitic or anything, I just think Europe should have sorted its own problems out, as it was fully capable of doing. We should never have been involved.
That's just dumb. Let's see where that reasoning leads:
That kid stuck in the street when the Americans start firing on terrorists deserves to die because it's in the Muslims problem, not ours.
That we should nuke the entire middle east (I mean, they're yellow, really!) because it's in the whole reason we are at war with them is their problem.

FDR did what he had to fight the Nazi's. Do oyu know how much spin he had to put on the Pearl Harbour attacks so he could mobilize against the Germans? When you think about it, it dosent's mak much sense. At the time of the Pearl Habour attacks there was no alliance between the countries. But there we were providing thousands of tons of material and thousands of lives to make sure Britain didn't fall. Maybe there is something that we could have done different. Maybe there was a way to save thousands if millions of Jewish lives. However, this is all in the past. I still regard FDR as a hero. While fighting a debilatating diesease he brought this country out of a depression and proceeded to fight a war, which if we lost would probably mean we would be typing in German now. What we need to do instead of nitpick at our past to see who might have been wrong or what action might have been better. We should look at history with a calm eye and try to make sure that such things as the Holocaust do not happen and hopefully will never happen again.

Thats easy. Some did, and some didnt, just look at the German polls as he WAS democraticly elected.

Yes, but by the time he came to power any German who spoke out against him would be found by Nazi party members and have the crap beaten out of him, until he said, "Yes, I agree with Adolf Hitler."

Though for a litte bit of irony, it has actually has been found that Hitler's Grandmother was jewish.

FDR did what he had to fight the Nazi's. Do oyu know how much spin he had to put on the Pearl Harbour attacks so he could mobilize against the Germans? When you think about it, it dosent's mak much sense. At the time of the Pearl Habour attacks there was no alliance between the countries. But there we were providing thousands of tons of material and thousands of lives to make sure Britain didn't fall. Maybe there is something that we could have done different. Maybe there was a way to save thousands if millions of Jewish lives. However, this is all in the past. I still regard FDR as a hero. While fighting a debilatating diesease he brought this country out of a depression and proceeded to fight a war, which if we lost would probably mean we would be typing in German now. What we need to do instead of nitpick at our past to see who might have been wrong or what action might have been better. We should look at history with a calm eye and try to make sure that such things as the Holocaust do not happen and hopefully will never happen again.



Yes, but by the time he came to power any German who spoke out against him would be found by Nazi party members and have the crap beaten out of him, until he said, "Yes, I agree with Adolf Hitler."

Though for a litte bit of irony, it has actually has been found that Hitler's Grandmother was jewish.I wouldn't be typing at all, seeing as how my Grandfather was in a camp.

And yes, Hitler may well have been a Jew. Which, by his twisted definition, means he should have been burned alive. Yet, he was not. Well, maybe in hell...whatever, now I'm just babling.