NationStates Jolt Archive

Aguilar told reporters that he's been in the Western part of the United States this week to talk about increased violence against Border Patrol agents.
Last year, the Border Patrol recorded 778 assaults on officers, up from 396 the previous year.
Some recent incidents Aguilar cited included:
● A report from El Paso that a Border Patrol agent was struck in the head with a large rock and required 25 stitches.
● Two agents were shot last year near Nogales and seriously wounded.
● And in Laredo, Texas, this week there were two incidents where shots were fired at agents, but the agents were not injured.
According to Aguilar, since September 2004 the Border Patrol has apprehended at least 160,000 illegal immigrants with prior criminal convictions — at least 400 of them for homicide.
"These are people illegally crossing into this country, trying to make their way back into this country after having been criminally convicted, served time, sent back to their country of origin," Aguilar said.
"We recognize that danger comes with the job that we do. . . . But one of my intents here is to ensure that the American public recognizes the outstanding work that our officers do and that this violence we deal with is serious, we take it very seriously and when serious things happen in response to this violence, it needs to be placed in context."

it is getting worse by the day...and i don't even want to think about how many terrorists snuck over mixed in with the mexicans.

hell they mostly have dark complections(like i do)and have far more resources to work with then some poor peasant sneeking in for work.

however,even it now seems to be,they arent just poor people looking for work...but vast #s of crimminals(and people wonder why americans have guns)that have allready been here..committed crimes(violent crimes)been deported,and were caught sneaking back!and thats only the ones we caught(which is i believe about 10% of the actual ones that get across)

be pretty darn easy for a terr to mix in with the human wave,with a rudimentary grasp of spanish.

in my opinion..it is far past time for a wall,a moat filled with sharks or piranhas,heavily armed patrols,mine fields(clearly labeled in spanish of coarse..screw the terrorists)ala the berlin wall..but we dont want to keep you in,we want you out if yor not going to follow a simple law that says to immigrate LEGALLY!

if you are going to break our laws by entering legally,your not off to a good start,why obey any other laws like rape and murder..etc.when to get here you allready broke a law?

if your country sucks so bad,fix it,or go thru the legal channels.
complicated..i think not.
not to mention,it seems america sucks apparently, so why come here?

and no i am not a xenaphobe or rascist..i am a second generation american,but my family came here from italy and ireland legally.
maybe i am missing something,it is possible..but what is so hard about coming here legally,i am all for the melting pot of different cultures.it has made our country great...so much for the hate america crowd...we are basically the world.the worse amongst us seem to be the wasps with old europes ideas of world hegemony,and even that is not really accurate.

i am not for masssive amounts of crimminals coming here illegally.actually,just crossing the border illegally makes you a crimminal kinda,you broke a law out of the gate so to speak.

so i say...build a wall,a moat,a mine field with armed patrols,machine gun nests and snipers.
it will actually help the peasants,they wont die in the desert after they are abandoned by the coyotes(smugglers)and jam up the drug smugglers and any terr that is trying to sneak over..just my 2 cents.

i welcome any alternative opinions or possible solutions,but it is getting to crisis level imho..the people along the border are getting(rightfully pissed)at their property being destroyed,stolen..and the other crime that goes with this illegal migration of..honest hardworking people,crimminals,drug dealers/smugglers,and gang bangers(ms-13 i think they are called)and also the violence that goes along with human trafficking and the drug/gang trade.

I've agreed with a wall for several years.

A wall is good. A $10,000.00 per illegal per day would be appropriate for any company hiring illegals. Mass deportations are also in order. :eek:

Bring on the wall. Bring on the wall.

Down with illegal immigration.

A wall is neither practical nor cost effective.. what would the cost be to construct a wall tall enough to prevent people from climibing over it along the entire southern boarder. And does that even assure illegals wont be able to get through.. if they penetrate the wall or build tunnels (as was recently found in the news).

We would spend billions more on this project, on top of the billions we are already spending for a solution which really solves nothing. Mexicans will be just as willing to get across and be just as deterimined.

For a real solution, you attack the "pull" factor which drives them. They come for jobs, and for money to send back home. A nationwide crack down (or even enforcment of current labor laws) would go a long way to curving illegal immigration.

For a real solution, you attack the "pull" factor which drives them. They come for jobs, and for money to send back home. A nationwide crack down (or even enforcment of current labor laws) would go a long way to curving illegal immigration.
I definitely think this is a better solution than a wall (not that the wall is a bad idea in principle). If the US could take serious measures like actually *looking* for illegal immigrants and shipping them back (I mean, come on, they aren't that hard to find, you could pick up a dozen in any California hotel cleaning staff alone) and insisting that every child enrolled in an American school have some form of documentation (citizenship, green card, whatever), the problem would be mostly solved.

A wall is neither practical nor cost effective..

Tell that to the Israelis.. :p

Seriously though.. no one's betting the wall will keep out everyone.. but with millions of illegal crossings per year, even half would help.. I'm guessing a good wall could keep out 90+%.

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I just cannot believe that this is even being considered...only in America, I guess.

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I just cannot believe that this is even being considered...only in America, I guess.

It's not as if America was founded on being the land of opportunity! I mean, most of us are here aren't descended from immigrants in any way!

This country has, is and forever will be pure!

Oh... wait.

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I just cannot believe that this is even being considered...only in America, I guess.
I'm Canadian and I don't find that it's such a bad idea. It's still not the best solution, but it's an option.

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I just cannot believe that this is even being considered...only in America, I guess.

What, you don't have laws in your country? :p

It's not as if America was founded on being the land of opportunity! I mean, most of us are here aren't descended from immigrants in any way!

This country has, is and forever will be pure!

Oh... wait.
Immigrants aren't a problem; illegal immigrants are. The US does indeed need to fix its ridiculous immigration policy as well, but that doesn't mean a million foreign nationals spilling over the border each year can just be ignored.

What, you don't have laws in your country? :p
Oh sure, and if you feel like you need to solve this "problem" then go ahead...but a wall?

That is just the most silly idea I have heard. Israel at least had the point of making sure of various land in case a peace agreement was ever signed...but you are going to build a wall along thousands of kilometres of desert, and properly man it...just so someone gets a boat and drives up the coast instead? Or digs a tunnel?

Oh sure, and if you feel like you need to solve this "problem" then go ahead...but a wall?

That is just the most silly idea I have heard. Israel at least had the point of making sure of various land in case a peace agreement was ever signed...but you are going to build a wall along thousands of kilometres of desert, and properly man it...just so someone gets a boat and drives up the coast instead? Or digs a tunnel?

That's what the Sea-wall is for (I think we already have it), and electronic surveillance. Some people will still tunnel under, or boat around (or just roll the dice and drive through with a fake ID), but we're talking millions of migrants per year.. the wall will stop most of them, and save us the cost of housing them for deportation.

Tell that to the Israelis.. :p

Seriously though.. no one's betting the wall will keep out everyone.. but with millions of illegal crossings per year, even half would help.. I'm guessing a good wall could keep out 90+%.

The israeli's arn't guarding an area as vast as the mexican boarder.. and they are only seeking to keep out terrorist suicide bombers.. and have limited entry points. Mexico on the other hand shares a vast open desert with us easily acessable from countless entry points.

And you underestimate their deterimination.. what happens if you push them to a water route.. our ports could be swelled illegals trying to come in.. given the poor security level at our ports we would be hardly able to address this, and we will have spend billions on a wall which at that point has little purpose.

Even if the wall curtaild illegal immigration 50% (for some time) there is no garantee that amount of success will be maintained. A wall is a short term fix for a long term problem. An overly expensive short term fix I might add.

The Great Wall of America

oh, what now? China just got OWNED!

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The israeli's arn't guarding an area as vast as the mexican boarder.. and they are only seeking to keep out terrorist suicide bombers.. and have limited entry points. Mexico on the other hand shares a vast open desert with us easily acessable from countless entry points.

And you underestimate their deterimination.. what happens if you push them to a water route.. our ports could be swelled illegals trying to come in.. given the poor security level at our ports we would be hardly able to address this, and we will have spend billions on a wall which at that point has little purpose.

Even if the wall curtaild illegal immigration 50% (for some time) there is no garantee that amount of success will be maintained. A wall is a short term fix for a long term problem. An overly expensive short term fix I might add.

The Israeli fence is close to 1000 km long I believe, and their enemies are pretty detemined.. determined enough to blow themselves up for their cause at least.. we don't have quite as many ports of entry into this country as you might think.. a good dozen is about it for the bulk of travellers. I give the proposed fence idea more credit than that.

A truly effective solution, far more effective than a wall, would be just to shoot them as they are caught and put their heads on pikes as a warning to others.
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I'm sure after the first hundred the numbers attempting entry would drop off precipitously.

Oh well, since that solution will never be implemented, sign me up for the wall.

Mines are always an option as well. :)

Seriously though, a wall while expensive is probably the most cost-effective solution to the issue. Though not a 100% solution, it is better than the current situation.

The only 100% solution would be to either elevate the economies of Central and South America to the level of the US economy or to depress the US economy to the level of Central and South America. Since neither of these are realistic in the near term, the wall becomes one of the most viable solutions.

Lord Jimbo
God-Emperor of Jimbolandistan

¡nadie es ilegal!

but you iron curtain builders sure are gung-ho about this. which i suppose means that we'll have to lay the groundwork for an american chapter of 'anarchists against the wall'.

The Israeli fence is close to 1000 km long I believe, and their enemies are pretty detemined.. determined enough to blow themselves up for their cause at least.. we don't have quite as many ports of entry into this country as you might think.. a good dozen is about it for the bulk of travellers. I give the proposed fence idea more credit than that.

is that good "dozen" including ports (major and minor) all along the south and western sea boards ? Somehow i find that figure doubtful.

The Mexican border's total length is 3,141 km (1,951 miles) with the United states... The total length of the Israeli security wall is 650 km (403 miles). 95% of that wall is actually trenches while 5% is a wall.

There is no pratical comparison between the two. This is not to mention the fact that a wall along the entire southern boarder would greatly reduce our own trade lines and dramatically effect the economies of all the boardering states. A wall is neither cost effective nor pratical. Why spend billions on a program which has no garantee of even moderate success when enforcing the labor laws of today would go farther in reducing annual illegal immigration ?

The money spent on the wall could be a lot better spent, say on expanding the ability of the INS and other agencies to track down illegal immigrant and to speed up the process of legal immigration. Also, we could hire more border guards and be stricter when it comes to hiring illegals.

The money spent on the wall could be a lot better spent, say on expanding the ability of the INS and other agencies to track down illegal immigrant and to speed up the process of legal immigration. Also, we could hire more border guards and be stricter when it comes to hiring illegals.

However, again these policies are a short term fix for a broken system which fails to address the roots of the problem. US policies dictate once an illegal is detained he is deported (after a hearing)... we neither have the capicity or the capablitiy to hold every illegal we find... so we must deport them. The Mexcian government clearly is in no rush to fix their own system and so once deported those same illegals are on the boarder the next day trying again.

Your solution is the reality of our broken system. Politicans promote the same things your proposing to quel outrage over the current system. In reality these policies are ineffective. Again our best option is to target companies who illegally employ illegals. These people are the pull factor driving illegals to enter the nation. If mexicans have few to no jobs avalible for them once they get here, there is then little reason to come.

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I just cannot believe that this is even being considered...only in America, I guess.

It's no worse in principle to what Australia is doing, and look how popular that is here. :(

So? You're all so hot-and-bothered to have one, go out and frickin' build one.

Oh, I suppose you'd prefer someone else to go do it for you?

Hmm, like maybe hiring Mexicans to build it?

Pathetic.

Again our best option is to target companies who illegally employ illegals.

but that doesn't have the advantage of playing towards peoples barely restrained racism.

and the companies will never allow it. however, they are in favor of efforts to make immigrants even more marginalized and powerless and afraid - cuts costs even further, you know. so while they probably won't actually allow the wall to be built, they will allow the spread of the idea that there ought to be one.

However, again these policies are a short term fix for a broken system which fails to address the roots of the problem. US policies dictate once an illegal is detained he is deported (after a hearing)... we neither have the capicity or the capablitiy to hold every illegal we find... so we must deport them. The Mexcian government clearly is in no rush to fix their own system and so once deported those same illegals are on the boarder the next day trying again.

I agree with this.

Your solution is the reality of our broken system. Politicans promote the same things your proposing to quel outrage over the current system. In reality these policies are ineffective. Again our best option is to target companies who illegally employ illegals. These people are the pull factor driving illegals to enter the nation. If mexicans have few to no jobs avalible for them once they get here, there is then little reason to come.

Targeting companies that employ illegals will eliminate illegals, while those who come legally will still come here and get jobs/education/etc. So, pretty much everyone stands to benefit from reducing illegal immigration, especially in terms of wages and benefits for employees that would normally be depressed by illegal immigrants' being taken advantage of by unscrupulous employers.

Also, encouraging economic growth, launching anti-corruption policies, and overall political reform in Mexico would reduce the rate of illegal immigration, as well as benefit the US economy's exports to the nation. However, given that there is little impetus to do that south of the border, it is not going to happen until a more reformist-minded government takes power.

simpson mazzoli bill isn't being reinforced, and it doesn't appear enough is being done about the illegal immigration problem. i say YES to a wall!

Pfft. Free immigration I say.
We need cheap laborers and they’re willing to work. We can’t just sit back and watch China have more industrial output. Only a traitor and an anti-American would support this wall or any restriction on the freedom of movement.

NO NO NO! Not A Wall! I'd Perfer A Giant Gas Line To Be Put On The Border. Then, We'd Turn It On And Off And Watch The Silly Mexicans Try To Jump Over The 10 Foot Tall Flames!

So? You're all so hot-and-bothered to have one, go out and frickin' build one.

Oh, I suppose you'd prefer someone else to go do it for you?

Hmm, like maybe hiring Mexicans to build it?

Pathetic.


Why is it so hard to understand that being anti-illegal-immigration is not the same as being anti-immigration?

Pathetic.

A wall is to expensive. We should resort to the tried and tested methods. Mexican Punitive Expeditions!

A truly effective solution, far more effective than a wall, would be just to shoot them as they are caught and put their heads on pikes as a warning to others.
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I'm sure after the first hundred the numbers attempting entry would drop off precipitously.



Lord Jimbo
God-Emperor of Jimbolandistan

Man I was thinking the same thing. Didn't Vlad do that...it seems to work:P I think shooting repeat offenders might dampen things. Well for the criminals at least. I don't think I could condone shooting someone just looking for a job that obeys all the normal laws except the immigration one.

A wall? Hell, why not just invade Mexico and push the border farther back? A hundred more miles of desert ought to thin out the numbers of even the toughest migrant workers.

A wall? Hell, why not just invade Mexico and push the border farther back? A hundred more miles of desert ought to thin out the numbers of even the toughest migrant workers.

I'm sure the Texas, New Mexico, and California National Guards could wallop the Mexican Army back to Mexico City.

Well, just give us a few years and our economy will be as great and prosperous as the Mexican economy and they won't have a reason to come to our country!

I'm sure the Texas, New Mexico, and California National Guards could wallop the Mexican Army back to Mexico City.
Aren't you forgetting a state in between?

Well, just give us a few years and our economy will be as great and prosperous as the Mexican economy and they won't have a reason to come to our country!

Such a defeatist attitude when it comes to the economy.

Such a defeatist attitude when it comes to the economy.
Got that right!

Got that right!

No reason to.

NO!

I like Mexicans.

They add culture and flavor to what is the otherwise bland white-trashness that is Texas.

I say let them all come.

There is no pratical comparison between the two. This is not to mention the fact that a wall along the entire southern boarder would greatly reduce our own trade lines and dramatically effect the economies of all the boardering states.

Actually, we use paved roads to interact with our trading partners nowadays.. :p Those would remain open to truckers with valid manifests and tags..

Unless we are going to increase border patrols, increase funding for them, and begin to hold the Mexican government accountable for renegade army factions smuggling in drugs and/or immigrants to cover the smuggling there is really no point in building this wall that they are talking about. And, then, of course, we'd have to actually start to prosecute businesses that hire illegal aliens. If we're not willing to do all that, then we'd just be throwing money down a well.

NO!

I like Mexicans.

They add culture and flavor to what is the otherwise bland white-trashness that is Texas.

I say let them all come.
How can you call white trash bland? It’s the funniest shit ever.
You spend your whole genetic career subjecting the other races only to wind up in a trailer park.

How can you call white trash bland? It’s the funniest shit ever.
You spend your whole genetic career subjecting the other races only to wind up in a trailer park.

Well ok ok ok ... I'll give them the comedy aspect. The mullet is actually the funniest thing to happen to the world ever.

Side note: "Genetic career" .... that's damn funny. :D

.............. and begin to hold the Mexican government accountable for renegade army factions smuggling in drugs and/or immigrants to cover the smuggling there is really no point in building this wall..........

Like I said, Mexican Punitive Expeditions!

Part of the trouble is a neighbors are no longer scared of us. We have one flooding the southern border with day laborers. And the other keeps on threatening to turn off our lights.

It wasn't always like this. In fact, Canada called itself a dominion, because they were worried that being called a kingdom would upset us. Those days are gone.

Those days are gone.
Yep.

*whistles "Those Were The Days" by Mary Hopkins" whistfully*

Gone like horse-drawn carriages.

A wall is good. A $10,000.00 per illegal per day would be appropriate for any company hiring illegals. Mass deportations are also in order. :eek:

yes i forgot that little tidbit...freakin jerkoff companies getting rich off the hard work of illegalls...no insurance...less then minimum wage...i agree...but on top of the fine i would impose a severe beating for exploiting these poor as people.
now they are screwed,cause of the gangs and drug smugglers...but i am pro legalazation of all drugs...but i am against the human trade...pathetic whores are deserving of eveyones disgust..the employers/users of illegals,not the people that have trudged thru arizona in the day,god bless there toughness.

Screw the wall. We need to put a military presence on the border.

The money spent on the wall could be a lot better spent, say on expanding the ability of the INS and other agencies to track down illegal immigrant and to speed up the process of legal immigration. Also, we could hire more border guards and be stricter when it comes to hiring illegals.

valid points...thanks,thats what i was looking for..options.

i have no problem with people coming here for work,but something has to be done,we cant have gangstas hip hoppin over the border plying there deadly trades.

then boppin back and leaving us with the wreckage....and to sound callous..the bill.

i'm kinda confident that canadiens would not like it if americans ran across their border...commited crimes,ran back home and did it to the tune of what now...ten million at last count...now we know they all dont commit crimes...how about i just bounce over to canada...get my teeth fixed for free(at your exspence canada)and father a few kids so they get medical(at your exspence)then commit a crime,get deported,leave my new found family there for you to pay for...then sneak back...would that be cool..if so...give me your address so i can sneak across the border by your house...litter your property..maybe steal all your stuff if you aint home...or maybe attack your family while your at work payin for my health care...cool...thanks a bunch...i'll be sure to leave a mess for you to clean up as a sign of my deep appreciation.

but that was just a weak attempt at sarcasm,i agree with the poster above,as long as there is grinding poverty south of the border...there will be people who will take any risk to escape it..along with the gangsters and smugglers...but again,the mexicans need to address the corruption and b.s. that drives them here.

also...we are not talking about thousands of people...we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people.

i know america is the whore of the world,we just care about us,screw everyone else,we are evil and shit...but we had a flap over middle aged bald dudes with binoculars(minuteman project)that was villafied,and they were giving them water and food when they saw them sneaking over...freakin ugly americans..booo

what should we do?

would other more enlightened countries feed/cloth/give medical attention to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants?or would they close their borders?and only allow....gasp...LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

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A wall is neither practical nor cost effective.. what would the cost be to construct a wall tall enough to prevent people from climibing over it along the entire southern boarder. And does that even assure illegals wont be able to get through.. if they penetrate the wall or build tunnels (as was recently found in the news).

I don't think that the wall will cover the entire southern border, just the places where it is easy to cross. The places where there is no wall will be patrolled by air and sensors (they have these already in S. Texas for sure).

The word 'wall' isn't very dscriptive. It will be a 10 ft+ high fence with a curved top interlaced with razor wire, then razor wire stacked about 5 ft. high for 20-50 yards and then another fence. This would be several miles long at points.

I agree that it is not the only answer, or even the best one, but I've been on the border and it's a joke. South Texas is basically Mexico with better roads. The lines on the map don't mean a thing.

I had a girlfriend whose dad was friends with an INS agent. They used to patrol the border on horseback (both were Mexican-American) and sometimes the illegal alien that worked for her dad would tag along.

And so it goes.

However, again these policies are a short term fix for a broken system which fails to address the roots of the problem. US policies dictate once an illegal is detained he is deported (after a hearing)... we neither have the capicity or the capablitiy to hold every illegal we find... so we must deport them. The Mexcian government clearly is in no rush to fix their own system and so once deported those same illegals are on the boarder the next day trying again.

Your solution is the reality of our broken system. Politicans promote the same things your proposing to quel outrage over the current system. In reality these policies are ineffective. Again our best option is to target companies who illegally employ illegals. These people are the pull factor driving illegals to enter the nation. If mexicans have few to no jobs avalible for them once they get here, there is then little reason to come.

amen..and amen again.

how lucid a point.

the cops can stop me for a tailight,and know in seconds if i owe a ticket on the other side of the country...but companies can employ illegalls by the thousands?

the only explanation is that the pols...both parties are guilty of...exploiting illegals for profit(thru campaign contributions thru biz benefactors)so they turn a blind eye...i say it is gonna bite everyone in the ass..

the contributors make alot of loot by NOT providing basic benefits or safety to the illegal workers..and contribute to the pols who say and do nothing.

true story,i broke my foot on my gixxer last summer,i have no insurance.the girl who took my info joked i should have pretended to not speak english,gave a fake name..and boom..no bill....

now i have a hugely inflated bill, to pay for the multitude of people that did exactly that.

when is enough...enough?

not to sound cold hearted,but i got 2 kids,single father...and it pisses me off i gotta pay 3500.00 for my injury,and some one here illegally pays nothing.
and it is against the law to ask if you are here illegally at the hospital also...?because they are afraid they wouldnt seak treatment if they did ask .

and no..i am not so mean i would want someone denied health care because of their inability to pay...but again..what to do?

it's not fair to me(and i have no insurance..but i will have to pay or my credit is screwed,plus i was raised to pay my bills)
or even the person with insurance is screwed cause his premiums are sky high to cover the illegals that dont pay...ever.

So? You're all so hot-and-bothered to have one, go out and frickin' build one.

Oh, I suppose you'd prefer someone else to go do it for you?

Hmm, like maybe hiring Mexicans to build it?

Pathetic.

sarcasm...k...maybe we should hire illegal mexicans to build it...then when it's done..say what a view..look at this..then shove em back over to their side...

tell em now you still owe us for all the money you sucked out of us from welfare,medical,prison,etc....
or can i come over your home,trash your property,steal your stuff,rape your wallet,then ask you for a kiss...?
your so magnaminous,and so enlightened...you wouldnt mind would you?

how about you just give me half your check and we'll call it even...your so openminded and all!

i got family down the border,and they are getting shit on day and night,nice to know your so evenhanded and willing to have your property ruined and always at risk of violence...but hey...your not there..thats right,your in an ivory tower,or worse...your just a" not in my backyard kinda guy"...easy to call the play from the sidelines,and way easy to criticise when it dont affect you or your own.

pfft....:sniper:

Screw the wall. We need to put a military presence on the border.

You beat me to it. A wall of bullets would be a much more effective deterrent to illegal immigration than a wall of brick. 500 illegals they caught had PREVIOUSLY been deported with homicide records? Oh no. Oh hell no.

You beat me to it. A wall of bullets would be a much more effective deterrent to illegal immigration than a wall of brick. 500 illegals they caught had PREVIOUSLY been deported with homicide records? Oh no. Oh hell no.

thats just the ones they caught....probably on the order of 10% of the ones that slipped thru.

but hey,we are ugly americans for not wanting people here illegally,let alone convicted felons by the thousands.

take a drive thru south central la and tell me there aint a problem.

but forgive my xenaphobia and rascist attitude(even though i am an immigrant..2nd gen though,and my niece is of mixed race)

i guess everyone in their right mind wants hordes of people in their community that do not speak the language,are there illegally,have commited crimes with little to no repercussion,that drain your paycheck without contributing to the community....sure

like in platoon when the one guy says he signed up for vietnam,cause it wasnt fair for all the poor and black people going...the black guy says"you gotta be rich(white)to even think like that!

i think we got the same mindset here...people that are not affected in the least,have zero grasp on how truly outta control it is...wagging there fingers and pooh poohing us jerks for being..omg..concerned.

gotta be a coddled richy rich or some sheltered college kid to even think like that i would surmise.:confused:

gotta be a coddled richy rich or some sheltered college kid to even think like that i would surmise.:confused:

Hey! I'm a sheltered(by insanity) college kid! Ok, well 4 years in the army isn't sheltered, but that isn't the point...</arguing for the sake of arguing>

We should take the Border Patrol and turn it into the Border Guard. Make it a branch of the armed forces, the landlubbing brothers of the Coast Guard, and file it under the auspices of the Department of Homeland Security.

Just like what the Soviets did with their Border Guards, who operated under the Homeland Security Bureau (better known as the KGB).