NationStates Jolt Archive

He can be living or dead. I thought Theodore Roosovelt was quite good, but I like lots of others like George Washington (He was GREAT!) I hate Clinton. Jimmy Carter was good, and Franklin D. Roosovelt was outstanding.

I predict a lot of hated Bush posts here...sigh...

Favorite Would Be Ol Teddy. The Last Great Warrior President.
Least Favorite Would Be Coolidge. If I'm Correct, He Started Prohibition, Which In Itself Was A Major Reason Of The Great Depression.

FDR was my favorite president. He brought the U.S together as whole to defeat the depression by a balance of socialism and capitalism, government and private industry, personal and group sacrifice. He unified this nation against the axis powers by his inclusive rather than exclusive policies.
The worst president in my lifetime has been GWB. He's pretty much the opposite of FDR. He has fertilized the weeds of divisiveness to the point of them being out of control.

It's kind of hard for me to pick a favorite president, since I have major philosophical problems with most of them [even the early ones, who wrote "All men are created equal" presumably whilst looking out over a field of slaves]. I'd have to give Washington the title, since no other example leaps to my mind as being even close to morally admirable.

My least favorite would have to be either Lyndon B. Johnson or FDR, although I was fortunate enough to not be alive during either president's reign.

Even though he was a mediocre President I pick Madison for the Constitution.

Least? Tie between Nixon and Harding but in time the Shrub will probably beat them both.

Favorite: Franklin Roosevelt (he was also on my "Ten Worst Americans" list, for what it's worth) for his economic reforms.

Least Favorite: Ronald Reagan, for his economic policy, his foreign policy (especially in Latin America), and his reactionary social policies.

Edit: Foolishly, I was thinking in regard to the twentieth century; with a wider timeframe I would include Abraham Lincoln as favorite.

Favorites:

Lincoln. 'Cause he, you know, freed the slaves and stuff.
Clinton. He plays the Sax, d00dz! Thats awesome!
Kennedy. I think that speaks for itself.

Least Favorites:

Bush. There's a village somewhere missing an idiot... :D
Wilson. I just hate him... :mad:

Yeah, I forgot about Wilson. Wilson was pretty damn bad.

Favorite president would be a 4 way tie between both Roosevelts, Lincoln and Kennedy.

Least favorites would stand
Bush (Had to be said)
Andrew Johnson
Coolidge
Wilson

He can be living or dead. I thought Theodore Rosovelt was quite good, but I like lots of others like George Washington (He was GREAT!) I hate Clinton. Jimmy Carter was good, and Franklin D. Rosovelt was outstanding.


Carter? Carter is the reason many nations fell to communism and to the Soviet Circle of influence, Carter was and still is a weak man as well as president.

Teddy I agree was good but not the best.

Grover Cleveland (Dem) was the best. He refused to give farmers subsidies and said this "The people should support the government, but the government should not support the people" Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Roosevelt (FDR).

Worst president. Bill. He had more scandals than any other president and we stop counting at 9 or 12 I think. He allowed himself to be bought off by foreign intrests (China). Mostly though when a presidents three top qoutes are "I did not inhale" "The economy, stupid", and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", you know his got to be a horrible president. Clinton was a minority president both times, and in general not a very good/popular president, weak/stupid policies overseas, he provoked and invited the terrorists to attack us (which they did repeatedly and he did nothing). His policies lead us to a recession, and he and his wife stole an ottoman from the White House worth around 38,000 dollars. Bill Clinton will be listed with and remembered as a bad president in the history books.

good:
Lincoln
Bush Jr.(we seriously need to get past the whole party crap)
FDR
Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson(for Civil Rights)

bad:
guy before Lincoln
Andrew Jackson(represented the common redneck and perfected the art of lying about your opponent)
Andrew Johnson(why do the Andies have to be bigass bigots?)

Favorite: Teddy Rossevelt! A man's man!

Least Favorite: FDR, damn him he created Welfare.

Favorites:

Lincoln. 'Cause he, you know, freed the slaves and stuff.
Clinton. He plays the Sax, d00dz! Thats awesome!
Kennedy. I think that speaks for itself.

I know lots of Sax players who aren't worth the reed they blow on, and Kennedy speaks for himself? So the Bay of Pigs was a great thing? All the men he abandoned and let die would think otherwise.

I am surprised people.

Harding by far was the worst. Can you name anything positive he did?

All others you can name something.....

Favorites:

Lincoln. 'Cause he, you know, freed the slaves and stuff.
Clinton. He plays the Sax, d00dz! Thats awesome!
Kennedy. I think that speaks for itself.

Least Favorites:

Bush. There's a village somewhere missing an idiot... :D
Wilson. I just hate him... :mad:


..... Lincoln did not free the slaves... the emancipation proc'l only free'd the slaves in the territory where he had no power. He did though make the north a state of fear with the suspension of habeas corpous (and people bitch about this wiretapping stuff, against people that ARENT EVEN IN THE COUNTRY OR CITIZENS, guess what YOU HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN FOR THE CONSTITUTION TO APPLY TO YOU!!), and he arrested many people as political prisoners, including the Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court.

I don't know how one could consider FDR to be a unifier of the American people when he was responsible for the incarceration of American citizens (of Japanese descent) in prisoner of war camps on their own nation's soil.
Quite a huge blot on our history.

We are still reaping the ill effects of his welfare programs which should have been a temporary fix for a temporary problem, but have become a way of life for far too many individuals.

Geo. Washington = best (Lincoln & Teddy very close seconds, then Ron Reagan)

As far as choosing worst one should decide if you are choosing him just because you disagree with his policies or was he actually inept in office.

i cant really judge any potus, who was in office before i became "politically aware", but from the ones i experienced, Ronald Reagan sure felt to me like the greatest potus ever. for the worst i'd pick bush 41, not sure though, maybe it was only the sharp contrast to Reagans greatness that made him look inferior.

Woodraw Wilson, although it did not work out this guy had a really good and fair way to sort out post-WWI Europe. He wanted a germany that wouldn't be punished in the Versailles treaty and come back for revenge, even though that didn't happen, he knew that his League of Nations would fail when it did that kind of stuff. This man had ideology, real democratic ideas which he would actually do, i actually admire him greatly.

I hate both Presidents Bush, but I also thought Carter sucked. I liked Clinton and Ford.

Gerald Ford was in a situation I wouldn't wish on anyone. He just wanted to be the Senator from Michigan and first was thrust into the Vice Presidency after Spiro T. Agnew (from my home state, I sheepishly admit) resigned the post. Then Watergate happens and Nixon resigns the Presidency. All of a sudden, the man who was just a humble Senator from Michigan becomes President.

I am surprised people.

Harding by far was the worst. Can you name anything positive he did?

All others you can name something.....

Sure - he did it on August 2, 1923.

..... Lincoln did not free the slaves... the emancipation proc'l only free'd the slaves in the territory where he had no power. He did though make the north a state of fear with the suspension of habeas corpous (and people bitch about this wiretapping stuff, against people that ARENT EVEN IN THE COUNTRY OR CITIZENS, guess what YOU HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN FOR THE CONSTITUTION TO APPLY TO YOU!!), and he arrested many people as political prisoners, including the Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court.

Dang, ya beat me to it. He didn't free the slaves, the (13th was it) amendment was passed after he kicked the bucket.

Carter did more good after he was president than during. My least facvorite, however, is Reagan. Unemployment and defense spending was out of control under him, and the division between rich and poor grew like a little kid on steroids. Also, he had his own little scandal known as the Iran-Contra affair.

But, Harding was an idiot.

The best President is reaaaaaally hard to say. Of the 20th century, I'd say FDR. Of the 19th century, Lincoln. I would not want to have been him during the Civil War.

FDR was my favorite president. He brought the U.S together as whole to defeat the depression by a balance of socialism and capitalism, government and private industry, personal and group sacrifice.

Dont even have to write why FDR was my most hated President, since you did it already, although I have one more thing to add. I hate him because he knew about the holocaust and didnt even lift his crippled self up to do anything about it because bombing the train tracks (for the train cars that took Jews to the camps) would cost too much in materials. Bastard, needless to say. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=49973&highlight=

The worst president in my lifetime has been GWB. He's pretty much the opposite of FDR.

While I do like Bush, I have to admit that hes not as good of a president as was the late Ronald Reagan. The man was amazing, and probably the most conservative president ever. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure that he got one of the highest if not highest number of electoral votes ever. I'm not gonna go into details of everything he did that was great, (there are several books about it) but instead say, God bless him, and may he rest in peace.

I am surprised people.

Harding by far was the worst. Can you name anything positive he did?

All others you can name something.....

Established the VA, spoke out publically against racism in Birmingham Al. in 1921.

I take harding a million times over Woodrow Wilson.\

Edit: Invented the word 'normalcy.'

Best: Andrew Jackson

Causes guns to misfire, puts Democrats in the White House, starts the patronage system, takes down the Bank of the US while paying off the country's debt, only person to ever be censured by the US Senate, increasing tarrifs and keeping the states from rebelling all in his 8 years of Presidency! He also survived more bullet wonds than fifty-cent. Hero of New Orleans!

Worst: Ronald Reagan
Economics, foreign affairs, and his lack of knowledge of most anything about politics really made his a bad presidency. Touted as the person who brought down communism, he just watched it fall, and his economic programs brought along the economic problems that stoped HW Bush from gaining a second term.

Most Loved: Reagan
Most Hated: Carter
Very Loved: Teddy
Very Hated: Clinton, GWBush
Dems Indiferent About: FDR & JFK
Reps Indiferent About: GHWBush

The odd thing is that Carter earned my respect far more for what he did AFTER his presidency than for anything he did during it.

If I had to vote for my favorite former president, I'd vote for Carter. Apparently, he peaked too late in his life. :p

My favorite President? Probably Grover Cleveland.

Least favorite? Martin Van Buren.

Favorite president as a president, not a person, is Thomas Jefferson. Louisiana Purchase. Good job man! George Washington, too, of course, but i think most people agree on him.

Worst favorite: Buchanan. Did nothing to prevent the Civil War from breaking out.

There were a lot of presidents who did a good job with some things, but rotten on others. Prior to Vietnam nearly all of our wartime presidents did a great job protecting the US but at home made egregiously bad judgements. Lyndon B reversed the trend by escalating the Vietnam war but greatly increasing Civil Rights in America. Of the wartime presidents, thought, Lincoln was probably the best.

Fav's:

- Thomas Jefferson (A man truly concerned with liberty and justice for all. If it weren't for the Embargo he would be the best by far).

- The Rest make my stomach churn

Least Fav's:

- John Adams (Alien and Sedition acts)
- George Washington (His farewell address crafted problems that we retain 'til today)
- George Bush (One of the worst in American History)
- Ronald Reagan (Created our modern political issue of uber-conservativism)
- The Rest of this Merry Band of Theives.

My favorite was probably Calvin Coolidge or Warren G. Harding. Least favorite is Carter or LBJ.

I like TR, I mean, who doesn't? Not liking Teddy...now that's un-American.
George Washington was also a close second for me.

For least favorite I'd choose Reagan for his damned Reaganomics, trying to figure it out just makes my head hurt, and not because of the sheer genious of the idea.

Fave: Teddy. He pwned.
Least fave: Andrew Jackson.

Carter? Carter is the reason many nations fell to communism and to the Soviet Circle of influence, Carter was and still is a weak man as well as president.
Really? The revolution in Iran was probably his fault over refusing to support the Shah, but I'm dubious about the Soviet thing. Did the USSR seize West Germany then hand it back because they were scared of Reagan, or something?

Favorite: Teddy Roosevelt
Least Favorite: Richard Nixon

Favorite in my lifetime: Ronald Reagan
Least favorite in my lifetime: George W. Bush

Really? The revolution in Iran was probably his fault over refusing to support the Shah, but I'm dubious about the Soviet thing. Did the USSR seize West Germany then hand it back because they were scared of Reagan, or something?

Carter wouldn't have had to support the Shah if Eisenhower hadn't appointed him dictator of Iran.

Carter did more good after he was president than during. My least facvorite, however, is Reagan. Unemployment and defense spending was out of control under him, and the division between rich and poor grew like a little kid on steroids. Also, he had his own little scandal known as the Iran-Contra affair.

But, Harding was an idiot.

The best President is reaaaaaally hard to say. Of the 20th century, I'd say FDR. Of the 19th century, Lincoln. I would not want to have been him during the Civil War.

Iran-Contra affair happened because of Carters idiocy. The reason Iran-Contra was happening was that Carter had failed to support anti-Soviet regimes in El-Salvador, then when Reagan became president he told the Soviet Union playtime in the Third World was over, but the KGB exposed our covert support of Nicaruaga and people made a big stink, so then Reagan had to begin supporting Iran. Carter also caused Nicaruaga to fall and nearly caused El-Salvador to fall to Communism, he also allowed Panama to fall to a drug lord Soviet Supported dictator (The dictator died in an airplane crash). The US lost all respect in the Soviet Unions eyes during Carters presidency, and re-gained it with Regan.

Really? The revolution in Iran was probably his fault over refusing to support the Shah, but I'm dubious about the Soviet thing. Did the USSR seize West Germany then hand it back because they were scared of Reagan, or something?

No what happened was a little thing called Service A (A department of the KGB). Service A forged false documents showing that the CIA was planning on de-throwning the Shah and they made sure these documents made it into the hands of the Shah's government and eventually the Shah saw these files. The Shah became suspicious and uber paraniod about the US's "plot" to oust his regime. This caused the Shah to crack down on his own people and to begin to pass alot of unpopular legislation. Well a general in SAVAK (Iranian Intelligence) formed a coup and tried to oust the Shah, well this led to a populace movement in Iran, neither the West nor the KGB believed a populace movement would lead to a theocracy, but it did so we ended up w/Ayatollah Komenieh. ( The Shah was practicing "guided democracy" and had been overthrown once before.) So the KGB is indirectly the cause of the revolution in Iran.

In Germany, yes thats generally what happened the Soviet Union was paranoid (even for it) about Ronald Reagans administration plotting a nuclear first strike to end the cold war. (In fact there is a hotdog stand in the middle of the Pentagons central quad, and the soviet satallites picked up that alot of people went in and out of that area. The Soviets then assumed that that hotdog stand was a secret bunker and entered the coordinates for several ICBM's and Satallite nukes to hit that hotdog stand as a retalitory nuclear strike.)

(Information for most of this article comes from the Mitrokhin Archives)

Favorite: Lincoln. Would've hated to be in that position.

Hated: Harding. Holy hell, he makes Dubya and the Gang look like the Justice League.



However, Teddy and Andrew Jackson deserve special mention. Both badasses who put their money where the mouth was, and those real men you see in the movies all the time (you know, the ones that take, like, 50 bullets and proceed to hurl a tank 500 feet) :p

As far as presidents go, there are two that stand out just because of the stark contrast between their human side and presidential side:

Jimmy Carter: good human being, but a not-so-good president
Bill Clinton: not-so-good human being, but a good president

Iran-Contra affair happened because of Carters idiocy. The reason Iran-Contra was happening was that Carter had failed to support anti-Soviet regimes in El-Salvador, then when Reagan became president he told the Soviet Union playtime in the Third World was over, but the KGB exposed our covert support of Nicaruaga and people made a big stink, so then Reagan had to begin supporting Iran. Carter also caused Nicaruaga to fall and nearly caused El-Salvador to fall to Communism, he also allowed Panama to fall to a drug lord Soviet Supported dictator (The dictator died in an airplane crash). The US lost all respect in the Soviet Unions eyes during Carters presidency, and re-gained it with Regan.

Iran-Contra occured because of Regan's idiocy. I mean, if you can blame Carter for Reagan's actions, I'd like to know why you aren't blaming Clinton for Bush's. Oh, wait, you have! Then I'd like to know why you didn't blame Clinton's screw-ups on Bush, Sr. Or Carter's on Nixon.

Nicaragua never fell to communism. It fell to a popular, democratic movement. A movement which was unpopular with Reagan because it was further to the left than he was. It was Reagan who orchestrated the destruction of Nicaragua's economy and paid facist bandits to fight the lawful government of Nicaragua.

Yeah, I forgot about Wilson. Wilson was pretty damn bad.
That's what happens when you elect an "ivory tower" type to a highly demanding job.

My favorite was probably Calvin Coolidge or Warren G. Harding. Least favorite is Carter or LBJ.
Heh! You beat me to the Calvin "Silent Cal" Coolidge choice. Would that more of our presidents would learn to STFU! :D

Suspending Habeus Corpus was balsy, and he kept the US the US- Lincoln has my vote

Favorite: Truman.

Truman really deserves more love than he gets. He handled post war quite well, and set up for the cold war.

Runners up: Bill Clinton, Hoover(under-appreciated, like truman), Wilson(Moral or not, racist or not, I think the majority of his actions were good for the country), Teddy

Least Favorite: Bush

While I don't think he was nessecairaly the worst president, or most corrupt, I hate a good portion of the things he has done, or basically excused. however, I think he is the most corrupt, in the sense that with all the media scrutiny, etc, its really hard to be corrupt compared to the 1800's.

Runners up: Reagan(Supported a great deal of horrible regimes to make the final push against the russians, who were on their way to change anyways), almost all of the gilded age presidents(After Lincoln and before McKinnely), Andrew Jackson, Thomas jefferson, and George Washington(Both are way too over-glorified).

Carter? Carter is the reason many nations fell to communism and to the Soviet Circle of influence, Carter was and still is a weak man as well as president.

Teddy I agree was good but not the best.

Grover Cleveland (Dem) was the best. He refused to give farmers subsidies and said this "The people should support the government, but the government should not support the people" Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Roosevelt (FDR).

Worst president. Bill. He had more scandals than any other president and we stop counting at 9 or 12 I think. He allowed himself to be bought off by foreign intrests (China). Mostly though when a presidents three top qoutes are "I did not inhale" "The economy, stupid", and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", you know his got to be a horrible president. Clinton was a minority president both times, and in general not a very good/popular president, weak/stupid policies overseas, he provoked and invited the terrorists to attack us (which they did repeatedly and he did nothing). His policies lead us to a recession, and he and his wife stole an ottoman from the White House worth around 38,000 dollars. Bill Clinton will be listed with and remembered as a bad president in the history books.
I generally do not care for left-winged politicians. He stood by his veiws, and was a "meh" president, making him a superb democrat.

He can be living or dead. I thought Theodore Roosovelt was quite good, but I like lots of others like George Washington (He was GREAT!) I hate Clinton. Jimmy Carter was good, and Franklin D. Roosovelt was outstanding.



To be honest, None of them have lived up to what I would call great. Bdut Woodrow Wilson was bad.

I hate every last, stinking one of them.

Most hated, Bush Jr., without a doubt. Most favourite... Washington I suppose. He inspired the creation of a nation which served as an example for the French Revolution and hence indirectly lead to the end of the Ancien Regime in Europe.

Iran-Contra occured because of Regan's idiocy. I mean, if you can blame Carter for Reagan's actions, I'd like to know why you aren't blaming Clinton for Bush's. Oh, wait, you have! Then I'd like to know why you didn't blame Clinton's screw-ups on Bush, Sr. Or Carter's on Nixon.

Nicaragua never fell to communism. It fell to a popular, democratic movement. A movement which was unpopular with Reagan because it was further to the left than he was. It was Reagan who orchestrated the destruction of Nicaragua's economy and paid facist bandits to fight the lawful government of Nicaragua.

hahahaha my friend you know nothing of nicaragua. Nicaragua fell to the Sandinista's which had SOVIET/CUBAN support since the early 60's, then after it took over the government in the mid 70's they welcomed with open arms Castro and many soviet diplomatic representatives as well as KGB officers. One Soviet diplomat actually got drunk and passed out while giving a speech to the people of Nicarauga. They also recieved something around 150 cuban military advisors which helped them build the most powerful army in Central America. So Nicaragua was communist.If Carter had grown up and accepted the fact that the Soviet Union was working against the US and did not respect him at all then he would have supported the regime which the Sandinista's overthrew. Then the Sandinista's began to push for a revolution in El-Salvador, which the Soviets and Cubans also supported, but Reagan won. After Reagan won he told the Soviet Union that "its days of free hand in the Third World were over" and he began to give support to the government of El-Salvador. Well the KGB made sure that many groups in America found out about this covert support, and Reagan was eventually pressured to end his support of that movement, and he moved the money to support Iran. That would have never happened if Carter had stepped up to the plate. Clintons screw ups were not Bush's fault, Clintons success (however limited it was) was Bush's success though. The economy balancing out was a result of Bush's cutting back on Reagan's military spending, of course that was going to balance the economy. And Carters mistakes were his own, he was a weak president. Nixon helped thaw the Cold War a bit, but Carter with his ineptitude fired it up again.

Fav: TR
Least Fav: Tie between Buchanan and Johnson

I find that my politics mesh best with Roosevelt, particularly his being both a conservative, but also a conservationist, his willingness to regulate business, and his foreign policy.

Buchanan was awful - he fiddled while the seeds of disunion were sown and he colluded with Chief Justice Taney and the Southern Democrats on the Dred Scott decision, one of the absolute worst in American history.

Johnson was probably the worst in terms of being the most self serving. As a politician he was brilliant, but that brilliance was at the expense of having no firm beliefs on anything except what he believed was popular. The massive expansion of the welfare state, the trumped up Tonkin Gulf charges that led us into Vietnam, and the excesses of the FBI and CIA during the period were horrible. The bright spot were the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Acts, but those were passed by Johnson less out of his belief in the equal rights of all Americans but his belief that they would land him a permanent spot in history and take the black vote away from the Republicans, which it did.

Fav: TR
Least Fav: Tie between Buchanan and Johnson

I find that my politics mesh best with Roosevelt, particularly his being both a conservative, but also a conservationist, his willingness to regulate business, and his foreign policy.

Buchanan was awful - he fiddled while the seeds of disunion were sown and he colluded with Chief Justice Taney and the Southern Democrats on the Dred Scott decision, one of the absolute worst in American history.

Johnson was probably the worst in terms of being the most self serving. As a politician he was brilliant, but that brilliance was at the expense of having no firm beliefs on anything except what he believed was popular. The massive expansion of the welfare state, the trumped up Tonkin Gulf charges that led us into Vietnam, and the excesses of the FBI and CIA during the period were horrible. The bright spot were the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Acts, but those were passed by Johnson less out of his belief in the equal rights of all Americans but his belief that they would land him a permanent spot in history and take the black vote away from the Republicans, which it did.


I don't know why people give Buchannan a hard time over the Civil War, seccession happened the last bit of his term it wasn't his place to deal with it, the states only succeeded because lincoln was elected. And Lincoln started the war anyways. Without Lincoln the war would have never happened.

My fav was Billy Clinton, that guy was a P.I.M.P, I didnt care to much for Andrew Johnson, that guy was a racist.

My fav was Billy Clinton, that guy was a P.I.M.P, I didnt care to much for Andrew Johnson, that guy was a racist.


So was Bill, didn't end and actually encouraged affirmitive action. What is it when you tell a race of people that they aren't good enough to get into colleges and job's by their own merits.... oh right racism.

Favorite: FDR. This says more about how bad the others were, considering the atrocity of the Japanese internment camps.

Least favorite: Reagan. The only things he did right were by accident.

So was Bill, didn't end and actually encouraged affirmitive action. What is it when you tell a race of people that they aren't good enough to get into colleges and job's by their own merits.... oh right racism.

Affirmative action doesn't say that. Affirmative action is saying only one thing.

You belong to a race that has been enslaved and locked out of equal opportunities for 300 years and now we are helping you catch up, so that you may someday compete with truly equal opportunities.

So was Bill, didn't end and actually encouraged affirmitive action. What is it when you tell a race of people that they aren't good enough to get into colleges and job's by their own merits.... oh right racism.

You have an understanding of neither affirmative action nor the Clinton adminstration's position on it.

Way to show your own ignorance.

BTW, every President since Johnson "didn't end and actually encouraged affirmative action." So Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II are all racists according to you.

My favourite US president is probably FDR, with Clinton closely behind.

The US presidents I hate the most are the Bushes and Nixon.
Harding was the worst but he was so bad that it inspires ridicule and not hatred.

You have an understanding of neither affirmative action nor the Clinton adminstration's position on it.

Way to show your own ignorance.

BTW, every President since Johnson "didn't end and actually encouraged affirmative action." So Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II are all racists according to you.

Generally yes. But when a president forces all WHITES in the military to put in for promotions and he has to review it in detail and then refuses most of them in favor of minority officers, I think thats racism. Affirmative action, it takes away Mr. Smiths (4.0 gpa 36 ACT) position at College A to give it to Mr. Washington (3.5 gpa 30 ACT) because Mr. Washington is Black thats racism.

Carter? Carter is the reason many nations fell to communism and to the Soviet Circle of influence, Carter was and still is a weak man as well as president.

Teddy I agree was good but not the best.

Grover Cleveland (Dem) was the best. He refused to give farmers subsidies and said this "The people should support the government, but the government should not support the people" Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Roosevelt (FDR).

Worst president. Bill. He had more scandals than any other president and we stop counting at 9 or 12 I think. He allowed himself to be bought off by foreign intrests (China). Mostly though when a presidents three top qoutes are "I did not inhale" "The economy, stupid", and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman", you know his got to be a horrible president. Clinton was a minority president both times, and in general not a very good/popular president, weak/stupid policies overseas, he provoked and invited the terrorists to attack us (which they did repeatedly and he did nothing). His policies lead us to a recession, and he and his wife stole an ottoman from the White House worth around 38,000 dollars. Bill Clinton will be listed with and remembered as a bad president in the history books.

Of all the asinine things in your post, I am still amazed you think that quote is a good one.

JFK's "Ask not" is a better sentiment.

Generally yes. But when a president forces all WHITES in the military to put in for promotions and he has to review it in detail and then refuses most of them in favor of minority officers, I think thats racism. Affirmative action, it takes away Mr. Smiths (4.0 gpa 36 ACT) position at College A to give it to Mr. Washington (3.5 gpa 30 ACT) because Mr. Washington is Black thats racism.

Simply put: You are full of shit. Clinton never did any such thing. And you don't understand affirmative action. I just did a whole thread on it. Look it up.

Simply put: You are full of shit. Clinton never did any such thing. And you don't understand affirmative action. I just did a whole thread on it. Look it up.

Yes he did.

Generally yes. But when a president forces all WHITES in the military to put in for promotions and he has to review it in detail and then refuses most of them in favor of minority officers, I think thats racism. Maybe it's reaching quotas. I dunno. I'm not american. If you think the US has a racist system... that's not my problem.

Affirmative action, it takes away Mr. Smiths (4.0 gpa 36 ACT) position at College A to give it to Mr. Washington (3.5 gpa 30 ACT) because Mr. Washington is Black thats racism.That's not racism. That's making up for the past. Perhaps if the marks were reversed and schools could choose freely, white Mr. Smith (3.5) would get in and black Mr. Washington (4.0) would not. You seem to be forgetting that Affirmative Action is not only a policy that levels the playing field after 300 years of atrocity, but it was also implemented to override "ethnicaly selective enrollment policies" in very many schools in the US.

Could someone from the States, either having lived through his presidency or just studied it more in detail then I have, please inform me as to why Jimmy Carter is actually hated so much? :confused:

I'm reminded whenver the Simpsons comes on and the line "Jimmy Carter? He's history's greatest monster!" is uttered.

Was it his domestic or foreign policies? Economics or what?

Best: Both the Roosevelts, Lincoln, Washington, and Ronald Reagan.

Manliest: JFK. The man had been through world war 2, and then made the bright assumption to go riding through an urban area in the ass-end of the United States in an open topped vehicle. It's amazing that he survived for an hour after getting half his head blown off. That man deserved a medal.

Worst: The Honkey serving and the Honkey before him, and Jackson was kind of an asshole.

Yes he did.

Prove it.

Manliest: JFK. The man had been through world war 2, and then made the bright assumption to go riding through an urban area in the ass-end of the United States in an open topped vehicle. It's amazing that he survived for an hour after getting half his head blown off. That man deserved a medal.
you can't forget his sexual escapades!

Jefferson Davis, ofcourse ! ;-)

I'd have to vote for Teddy Roosevelt as my favorite. He was a man in the old-fashioned Huckleberry Finn sense; the sort who would stand on top of a building and lecture the mob that had come to get him. I also agree with the majority of his policies; he showed great foresight regulating big business without really harming it while at the same time creating an image of himself as a "trustbuster".

Iran-Contra affair happened because of Carters idiocy. The reason Iran-Contra was happening was that Carter had failed to support anti-Soviet regimes in El-Salvador, then when Reagan became president he told the Soviet Union playtime in the Third World was over, but the KGB exposed our covert support of Nicaruaga and people made a big stink, so then Reagan had to begin supporting Iran. Carter also caused Nicaruaga to fall and nearly caused El-Salvador to fall to Communism, he also allowed Panama to fall to a drug lord Soviet Supported dictator (The dictator died in an airplane crash). The US lost all respect in the Soviet Unions eyes during Carters presidency, and re-gained it with Regan.

The Sandinista revolution in Nicaragua was not Carter's fault, nor was it the fault of the Soviets, who with the exception of Cuba mostly kept out of Latin America. It was the fault of the Sandinistas and their supporters, and of the incompetence and brutality of the Somoza regime. It is true that Carter did not resort as swiftly to the traditional obesiance-enforicing methods of murder and starvation as Reagan did, but that is to his credit, and considering how long the Sandinistas lasted even while having a terrorist war waged against them by the most powerful state on the planet, it may not have made much difference in the long run.

Carter did waver somewhat in his support for the terrorists ruling El Salvador, again to his credit. Not that that has much to do with Nicaragua. And he was staunchly supportive of the gang of murderers who ruled Guatemala, even as they butchered thousands of innocent peasants.

Ronald Reagan, of course, quit with all the wavering and decided to have a strong position in favor of killing innocent people, to properly ensure that the Central American threat to the profits of super-rich US investors was curtailed.