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Who, in your opinion was the most important person in bringing about the end of it?

Who, in your opinion was the most important person in bringing about the end of it?
Ronald Reagan, no contest.

I'll say Gorbachev. His reforms pretty much ruined the union. Not that they were bad reforms, just implemented too quickly.

The Cold War? Gorbachev.

The Cod War? Sheesh... I dunno.... 'The Little Lamb' trawler?

The Cod War? Hmm.... Thinking.... Did That Has Something To Do With Fishing Rights? But Seriously, It Was The People Who Faked The Moon Landing. Scared Those Commies Sh*tless By Simply Using A Few Nice Effects.

Ossama Ben Laden, by driving the USSR out of Afghanistan. This was the start of the colapse of the USSR.

The Cold War? Gorbachev.

The Cod War? Sheesh... I dunno.... 'The Little Lamb' trawler?
I just noticed something. Shouldn't your name be "Psychotic Mongeese?" Heh! :D

My vote goes to John Cleese. He struck the final blow in the Cod War when he did the "Fish Slapping Dance."

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb179.gif

I just noticed something. Shouldn't your name be "Psychotic Mongeese?" Heh! :D

:p I know I'm right..... I think

Ossama Ben Laden, by driving the USSR out of Afghanistan. This was the start of the colapse of the USSR.
ROFLMFAO!! You give the insane far too much credit. Osama was a very minor figure in the Afghani resistence against the Russians.

:p I know I'm right..... I think
LOL! Perhaps, perhaps. ;)

My vote goes to John Cleese. He struck the final blow in the Cod War when he did the "Fish Slapping Dance."
Which goes to show:

In NS General, NEVER mis-spell the thread title.

Which goes to show:

In NS General, NEVER mis-spell the thread title.

...or don't make assumptions about which question is being asked.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10309056&postcount=16

Hmmm.
there's:
Ronald Reagan
Richard Nixon(helped American relations with China, which was a blow to the reds)
John Paul II-helped liberate Poland
those guys who tore down the Berlin Wall

Then, there are the fishermen who helped us get rid of the wet menace.:p

ROFLMFAO!! You give the insane far too much credit. Osama was a very minor figure in the Afghani resistence against the Russians.
Of course they were many fighting in Afghanistan, but I believe Ossama Ben Laden was one of them and that his impact was significant, at least more than Reagan or Gorbatchev. He actually hold the gun. Reagan and Gorbatchev were just giving orders, they are nothing without those who actually fought. Ossama Ben Laden had a strong force helping the Talebans and the Taleban won the war.

...or don't make assumptions about which question is being asked.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10309056&postcount=16

Well, people are answering both the joke and serious topic so I don't get what you are doing...

but I believe Ossama Ben Laden was one of them and that his impact was significant

No, he wasn't. Trust me on this. He was vocal- but there were dozens of men similar to him, if not hundreds. He was insignificant in the End of the Cold War.

No, he wasn't. Trust me on this. He was vocal- but there were dozens of men similar to him, if not hundreds. He was insignificant in the End of the Cold War.
He rallied a lot of muslims in the fight and he got the US to help by giving weapons.

He rallied a lot of muslims in the fight and he got the US to help by giving weapons.
No- a lot of mujahedieen did that. He was no different from any other leader of small groups back then. In fact, he pumped his own money in before ever asking for arms. He's a rich guy- he never needed to be handed free weapons- especially from the Americans.

The CIA gave weapons to a lot of fighters. Sadly for them they didn't keep tabs on how much exactly they were giving until it was too late and the amounts became rather large.

(ie "Can we have 500 Stinger missiles please?".... "What the...")

Bin Laden did his part but only in so much as every other individual fighter did in Afghanistan.

Most important figure in ending the Cod War?

uhhh.. Flipper?

but the cold war was definitely ended by......

BOXCUTTERS !

Most important figure in ending the Cod War?

uhhh.. Flipper?

but the cold war was definitely ended by......

BOXCUTTERS !

Who, in your opinion was the most important person in bringing about the end of it?

John Paul Jones
he caught that damn cod and wrestled it to death. The struggle took 5 days and he lost his left ring finger to that devil of the sea. the exhausting battle drained John of his vitality and he couldn't swim back to shore. Luckily for him a pod of dolphins were able to rescue this brave hero. His bravery is truly an inspiration to all the free world!

Of course they were many fighting in Afghanistan, but I believe Ossama Ben Laden was one of them and that his impact was significant, at least more than Reagan or Gorbatchev. He actually hold the gun. Reagan and Gorbatchev were just giving orders, they are nothing without those who actually fought. Ossama Ben Laden had a strong force helping the Talebans and the Taleban won the war.

Err..defeating the Soviet army (actually a bunch of conscripts from the CAR "stans" ) in Afghanistan did not bring down the SU. The SU was already waiting to implode by that time.

And there were no Taliban at that time. It was a coalition of Massood from the Panjshir valey, Dostum from Uzbeki areas and Hekmatyar from the south west and other warlords from different areas. This coalition did the bulk of the fighting. Osama and his arab militia did take part in the fight but it was not what won the war or even tipped the scales in favor of the Mujahideen.

The taliban enter the picture much later. The Taliban is a Pakistani construct, fathered by Pakistani mullahs and the military-intelligence regime of Pakistan which was foisted on the Afghans after their man Hekmatyar failed to take Kabul.

Final Battle of the Cod War caught on Film!

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_video/fish.avi :D

George W. Bush, with his famous "I know that humans and fish can peacefully coexist" speech.

My vote goes to John Cleese. He struck the final blow in the Cod War when he did the "Fish Slapping Dance."
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But...nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :eek:

But...nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! :eek:
I did....
http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_video/spanish.avi

Who, in your opinion was the most important person in bringing about the end of it?

you know, i actually have no idea who the most important figure in bringing an end to it was, but i think we can all agree that bjork has played a mjor role in bridging the cultural divide and bringing these two nations together again in peace.

you know, i actually have no idea who the most important figure in bringing an end to it was, but i think we can all agree that bjork has played a mjor role in bridging the cultural divide and bringing these two nations together again in peace.
United in our WTF, you mean?

Who, in your opinion was the most important person in bringing about the end of it?

God.

God.This one?

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail049.jpg

or was it this one?

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/life/c-god.jpg

This one?

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail049.jpg

or was it this one?

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/life/c-god.jpg

the one trying to put the sphere in the cube hole.

Just wanted to point out that you have the wrong fish name. It should be the Turbot War, and I would have to say Brian Tobin was most responsible for ending it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbot_War

I hate to give credit to the USSR, but Gorbachev's slightly more co-operative attitude may have been the crucial beginning of stepping M.A.D down a bit and actually negotiating.

Assuming you meant Cold War, then the most influential guy to ending it was George C. Marshall, designer of the Marshall Plan. We never would have been able to win the Cold War had we not secured Western Europe from communist expansion in the first place.

Assuming you meant Cold War, then the most influential guy to ending it was George C. Marshall, designer of the Marshall Plan. We never would have been able to win the Cold War had we not secured Western Europe from communist expansion in the first place.


actually if you want to look at it that way, Marshall prolonged it by not letting the soviets win and forcing a 40 year stalemate.

actually if you want to look at it that way, Marshall prolonged it by not letting the soviets win and forcing a 40 year stalemate.

I suppose you're right. I was assuming that he was talking about the most important figure in ending the Cold War the way it did, with a victory for democratic capitalism rather than Stalinism, but that was going beyond the text.

President Ronald Reagan who loved America his native land.

i credit the bomb for not STARTING the cold war

I would like to say that I am shocked by the amount of people who don't seem to know what the Cod War* was, and are prepared to assume that I must be talking about the Cold War, but actually this kind of US-centric display that we have seen here is pretty much what I expected.


* technically Cod Wars.

I would like to say that I am shocked by the amount of people who don't seem to know what the Cod War* was, and are prepared to assume that I must be talking about the Cold War, but actually this kind of US-centric display that we have seen here is pretty much what I expected.


* technically Cod Wars.

I'll just go on record for saying that I've seen enough posts by BWO to know that he did not make a typo in the thread title and he truly meant the Cod War.

Iceland?

Ossama Ben Laden, by driving the USSR out of Afghanistan. This was the start of the colapse of the USSR.


No it wasn't the USSR was wasting millions through Comecon and through other means of economic aid to the third world (parts which accepted communism that is). For instance Fidel Castro spent I think something like 20 million of the 430 some odd million (dollars not rubbels) on a giant ice cream machine as part of his economy.The Soviet Union was spending far more then it was making, Afghanistan helped make this point more obvious yes, and perhaps speed up the process, but the process was already happening. Osama Bin Laden was also not that large of a figure in the Mujahideen quest in Afghanistan, he has been made a large figure by the liberal media in Europe and in America, in actuality he did very little (He did not recieve funds from AMerica, that is a large misconception. Some Mujahideen did recieve funds but not bin ladens mujahideen. The Mujahideen we funded in fact hated bin laden.).

As to the bit about Gorbachev, he tried to save the USSR, and he did not speed the process up to fast.

Ronald Reagan no contest, Ronald increased the US arms spending to an amount that the Soviet Union could not and out spent them, he also frightened them and caused them to "take their eye off the ball" ( The Soviet Union believed, wrongly, that Reagan had made plans to nuke the Soviet Union during his two terms and to end the cold war that way, so the Soviet Union spent millions of dollars in research trying to find out what this plan was and how to best counter it. They also made their KGB residencies around the world file reports monthly and waste time on how NATO and the US was planning to begin a nuclear war.)

Rear-Admiral Sir Jeremy Black of RN Minecountermeasure Fishery protection and Coastal Patrol Division.

A key figure.

Best thread ever.

I would like to say that I am shocked by the amount of people who don't seem to know what the Cod War* was, and are prepared to assume that I must be talking about the Cold War, but actually this kind of US-centric display that we have seen here is pretty much what I expected.


* technically Cod Wars.


And this assumption is not US-centric, the Cold War was just the biggest event to happen in the last half of the 20th century, and it just so happened to engulf the entire world. The Cod Wars (Though I do not know what you mean and I assume happened in the New Foundland region?) is Artic Circle Centric.

No-one's heard of the Cod War?

Bastard Icelanders, stealing our catch :mad:

Assuming you meant Cold War
With BWO, never assume. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_war)

I would like to say that I am shocked by the amount of people who don't seem to know what the Cod War* was, and are prepared to assume that I must be talking about the Cold War, but actually this kind of US-centric display that we have seen here is pretty much what I expected. * technically Cod Wars.
Poached Salmon in a White Wine Sauce....

Which is, of course, why I stand by my choice of John Cleese.

Assuming you meant Cold War, then the most influential guy to ending it was George C. Marshall, designer of the Marshall Plan. We never would have been able to win the Cold War had we not secured Western Europe from communist expansion in the first place.

But because of the prevention of Communist expansion, the resulting 40 year stalemate was the Cold War. Without the Marshall Plan and the Truman Doctrine, Communism may have spread across mush of the world and there would have been no Cold War, just a Communist takeover. So in reality Marshall and Truman helped create the Cold War to prevent Communism from expanding further than it already had.

If I had to place the end of the Cold War on any single person it would be Ronald Reagon for announcing the SDI program (Star Wars) and consequently out-spending the Soviets. The Soviet economy was in such terrible shape that it couldn't keep up with the Americans in the billions spent on laser research and other such fun things associated with Star Wars.

I love how it seems like everyone who ended the Cold War was American. :rolleyes:

Do people actually believe that the USSR collapsed because they wouldn't or couldn't spend as much on their military? It collapsed because its people had enough of the stagnation - and if you look at the figures...the Soviets never actually reacted to Reagan's militarism.

Gorbachev it is for me, for not going apeshit and starting nuclear war, and by doing the reforms that his people wanted.
Then Yeltsin, for using this move to destroy the USSR (and preventing hardliners from taking power).

And also, of course, Egon Krenz, for being the silly bugger who opened the border by mistake because he hadn't gotten the right orders from above.

Jimmy Carter, for having his CIA train the Mujahadeen, thus luring the Soviets into Afghanistan.

Billy the fish

:p I know I'm right..... I think

You're right.. it's a Trivial Pursuit question, too.. Genus Edition (I memorized the deck back in the day). :p

Gorbachev.

Reagan simply cannot compete with him in responsibility for ending the Cold War.

You mean the Cold War or the Cod War ?

Arrgh many a fine man perished at the hands of the accursed Cod.
We filleted the bastards to no end but they kept coming back.
The Sewdish and English eventually decemated their populations but they will return mark me words.

Considering this thread is by BWO, i was sure when I saw it that the thread wasnt referring to the Cold war. However since I know nothing about the Cod war I'll shut up. Though I get the feeling I should know about it, being british and all.

Considering this thread is by BWO, i was sure when I saw it that the thread wasnt referring to the Cold war. However since I know nothing about the Cod war I'll shut up. Though I get the feeling I should know about it, being british and all.

I think that was a war fought in Alaska between the Alaskans and the Siberians.

I think that was a war fought in Alaska between the Alaskans and the Siberians.


Dr Joseph Luns ended it.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/RRGP/CodWar.htm

All you ever need to know about the Cod War, all 3 of 'em!

Considering this thread is by BWO, i was sure when I saw it that the thread wasnt referring to the Cold war. However since I know nothing about the Cod war I'll shut up. Though I get the feeling I should know about it, being british and all.
I only know about it because my Dad fought in the third Cod war.

You guys suck.
Bodies Without Organs is one of the more respected members members of NS and for shame on you for what you have done.
For Shame, for shame indeed.

I love how it seems like everyone who ended the Cold War was American. :rolleyes:

Do people actually believe that the USSR collapsed because they wouldn't or couldn't spend as much on their military? It collapsed because its people had enough of the stagnation - and if you look at the figures...the Soviets never actually reacted to Reagan's militarism.

Gorbachev it is for me, for not going apeshit and starting nuclear war, and by doing the reforms that his people wanted.
Then Yeltsin, for using this move to destroy the USSR (and preventing hardliners from taking power).

And also, of course, Egon Krenz, for being the silly bugger who opened the border by mistake because he hadn't gotten the right orders from above.

Your correct that Soviet Russia collapsed under its own budget, but its false to claim the Soviets never "actually reacted to Reagans militarism". They became far more paranoid then they had been, they ended their operations in El-Salvador and Nicaruaga, Yeltsin didn't destroy the USSR he simply painted the Iron Curtain a different color. Gorbachev I wouldn't say he had much to do with it, they innefectual and poor leadership of Kruschev and Brezhnev combined did far more to drain the economy then Gorbachev. But its really unfair to give the credit to any one person.

Who, in your opinion was the most important person in bringing about the end of it?
Dan Akroyd and the Bass-O-Matic.
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Super Bass-o-Matic '76 - it's clean, simple, and after five or ten fish, it gets to be quite a rush!
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