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The two Faces of Google.

tiananmen - Google Image Search. (http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen) :(

tiananmen - Google Image Search in China. (http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen) :headbang:

Bite the hand that feeds you or Lick the Boot that Kicks you? :rolleyes:

http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/images/2006/01/googlecommie.jpg

Follow the Story HERE (http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/)

Oh yes, because if Google didn't comply, the Chinese government would immediately change their practice so everyone can use Google. It is called smart business, and Google is all about smart business.

The two Faces of Google.

tiananmen - Google Image Search. (http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen) :(

tiananmen - Google Image Search in China. (http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen) :headbang:

Bite the hand that feeds you or Lick the Boot that Kicks you? :rolleyes:

http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/images/2006/01/googlecommie.jpg

Follow the Story HERE (http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/)
At least Google didn't cough up user information to the US government. :)


Google refuses US data request (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1552224.htm)

*sniffs*

Do I smell a fellow lgf reader?

At least Google didn't cough up user information to the US government. :)
Google refuses US data request (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1552224.htm)
That's good. I wonder if they will give the Chinese the same courtesy. (my guess is no...)

http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/images/2006/01/google_china-1.jpg

That's good. I wonder if they will give the Chinese the same courtesy. (my guess is no...)
China isn't the US, but I would doubt they would still.

And why does Dr. Evil look like David Blaine?

Wrong information is even better (than no information). Try to Chinagoogle information about Falun Gong for example.

*sniffs* Do I smell a fellow lgf reader?
Who, me?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/LGFMinion.jpg

Who, me?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/LGFMinion.jpg

So, that's a yes?

China isn't the US, but I would doubt they would still.Since the only reason to make the request would be to do a little permenant "re-educating" :rolleyes:
And why does Dr. Evil look like David Blaine?Don't know.

So, that's a yes?Let's just say I also am an active participant in the MidWest Cycle of Violence... ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10303322&postcount=18 :D

There's a rather obvious way around this.

If many webmasters from all over the world include a picture of the Tianamen massacre, but rename it to something else completely different in their sites (such as aeroplane.jpg or mcdonalds.gif, etc....or perhaps the top 10 most common searches in google.cn), it isn't going to stop them seeing the image pop up randomly during searches, and will piss off both Google and the Chinese government majorly.

Given the amount of outrage over all this, i'm surprised someone hasn't already tried to start a coalition to do it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10303322&postcount=18 :D
It was pretty deep. I thought a new thread with a little different spin would be better than gravedigging.

There's a rather obvious way around this.

If many webmasters from all over the world include a picture of the Tianamen massacre, but rename it to something else completely different in their sites (such as aeroplane.jpg or mcdonalds.gif, etc....or perhaps the top 10 most common searches in google.cn), it isn't going to stop them seeing the image pop up randomly during searches, and will piss off both Google and the Chinese government majorly.

Given the amount of outrage over all this, i'm surprised someone hasn't already tried to start a coalition to do it.
There is a discussion to do just that over in the Link I posted.

The two Faces of Google.

tiananmen - Google Image Search. (http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen) :(

tiananmen - Google Image Search in China. (http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen) :headbang:

Bite the hand that feeds you or Lick the Boot that Kicks you? :rolleyes:

http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/images/2006/01/googlecommie.jpg

Follow the Story HERE (http://blogs.pajamasmedia.com/china_syndrome/)

watch out...soon the Chinesse goverment will seek you down and "eliminate" you...you pointed out somthing that they are trying to make people forget. They did nothing...China rules....dont hurt me!!!!

There is a discussion to do just that over in the Link I posted.

Curse other people! They're always one step ahead of me! *bangs fist on table*

:p

Curse other people! They're always one step ahead of me! *bangs fist on table*

:p

I know...just when you thought that you had come up with this bright original idea and somebody tells you that people have pipped you to the post long back...grrrrrrrr

I'd just like to point out that if you make it to page 5 of the china search link fron the original post. There are pictures of the tanks and such, its just deeper. The filtering is not good enough to get rid of everything.

Thats all. Google done good.

Include Ommited Search Results. Go To Page 5. Look At Bottom. One Got Through.

Edit: Oh, And At The Top Of Page 8.

WTF? I went to google.cn to check out the images that got through, and somehow, there's tanks and massacred students on the first page.

*checks*

Oh, it's because I misspelled "Tiananmen". Hopefully many Chinese will misspell it too :D

I know...just when you thought that you had come up with this bright original idea and somebody tells you that people have pipped you to the post long back...grrrrrrrr
Sorry. I meant no offense. :(

I know...just when you thought that you had come up with this bright original idea and somebody tells you that people have pipped you to the post long back...grrrrrrrr

Hahaha...I figured they probably would have, the idea was just too obvious. :p

I got the pictures by typing it in. I had a space in it though.

mmmm.. very interesting. but i'm sure that the US media filters as well. while living in another country (rsa) i found that my stories and my parent's stories (usa) were often at opposite ends of the spectrum, or at least different enough to make me scratch my head. it was kind of freaky and slightly nauseating. how do i know what was filtered and what wasn't? there's always "news" according to a majority of countries, which is what i based it on. some things we just would rather "forget." i think some countries specialize in re-writing history.. and i think we can imagine who's at the top after that google search!

Vegetarianistica']mmmm.. very interesting. but i'm sure that the US media filters as well. while living in another country (rsa) i found that my stories and my parent's stories (usa) were often at opposite ends of the spectrum, or at least different enough to make me scratch my head. it was kind of freaky and slightly nauseating. how do i know what was filtered and what wasn't? there's always "news" according to a majority of countries, which is what i based it on. some things we just would rather "forget." i think some countries specialize in re-writing history.. and i think we can imagine who's at the top after that google search!

I concur. I myself was not entirely known of the Chinese involvement in Vietnam until I found out here. The textbooks have never said anything about them.

They really don't know a lot.

Almost all of the Chinese students I met at my University never knew that China invaded India in 1962. The cycle a Chinese FOB (fresh of the boat) goes through is fascinating to watch.

Sorry. I meant no offense. :(

Nah.that's OK. It's all good. :)

I concur. I myself was not entirely known of the Chinese involvement in Vietnam until I found out here. The textbooks have never said anything about them.

i'm 28 and i've got an active-minded 18-year-old friend. we compare our history knowledge sourced from school textbooks. it's pretty amazing how history changes over the years.

Now I see why Steve Ballmer wants "to f*cking kill Google"
EDIT: Look, when I queried censorship (http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&q=censorship&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2) I only got 2 results. :headbang:

I'd just like to say this comparison is very unfair. What Google China image search does is only return results from the .cn domain. So I think the censorship here is coming from the Chinese government, not Google. You can still find infomation about Tiananmen Square from the main searchpage of google.cn . Remember, the Chinese government has control of what can and can not appear on a .cn domain.

On Tiananmen
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=censorship+chinese&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&meta=cr%3DcountryCN
On Censorship
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=censorship+chinese&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&meta=cr%3DcountryCN

Mmkay ... click over to page 5 of the chinese google search and you'll find your pic of the dude in front of the tanks.

Strange that China would want people to see that there's more to Tianamen than one incident. How very, very evil of them!

Settle down, people. :rolleyes:

Does anyone notice how regular Google pretty much only comes up with the guy in front of the tanks?

edit: Oh, I guess Keruvalia noticed. Damn it. I started this post before he did, too. Stupid phone calls making me take forever to post.

Does anyone notice how regular Google pretty much only comes up with the guy in front of the tanks?
Yes, but as we all know from America the Book, the Tianmen Square dude actually was an OCD sufferer and only felt comfortable standing in front of large objects :)

Woah Woah! look what else they filter
http://images.google.cn/images?q=porn

(Dont worry sadly family friendly)

Woah Woah! look what else they filter
http://images.google.cn/images?q=porn

(Dont worry sadly family friendly)
I'm speechless.

I'm speechless.
I know I was mad they caved into any governments requests (though this is not neerly as bad as giving up information about their users)

But THIS is UN ACCEPTABLE

My ONLY hope is the content filter at the new site is set on and I just cant reed the charicter set well enough to turn the filter off

At least Google didn't cough up user information to the US government. :)

Google refuses US data request (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1552224.htm)
I believe that what they are doing for China here is much worse than giving user information to the US Government. Hundreds of people died there. It's really terrifying that Google are aiding the Orwellian efforts to rewrite history.

I know I was mad they caved into any governments requests (though this is not neerly as bad as giving up information about their users)
Are you serious? Giving confidential user info is pretty bad, but helping the Chinese government, the world's biggest abuser of human rights I might add, erase its bloody history in the minds of its people is much worse.

I believe that what they are doing for China here is much worse than giving user information to the US Government. Hundreds of people died there. It's really terrifying that Google are aiding the Orwellian efforts to rewrite history.
Rather then the orwellian efforts to electronicly invade everyones piracy?

While I dislike the idea all they REALLY did was create a seperate product focused at a specific market

Unlike violating EVERYONES privacy

Rather then the orwellian efforts to electronicly invade everyones piracy?

While I dislike the idea all they REALLY did was create a seperate product focused at a specific market

Unlike violating EVERYONES privacy
Ummm, yeah I put the right to not be mown down by the government for protesting above the right to privacy.

I think the only comparison you could draw is if the Bush administration then proceeded to make a hit list of people to kill (the US has done it in the past, but not within its own borders).

It's not as if Chinese people have the ability to get at the international Google to find out the truth. Do you really think that it's not much of a problem if the Tiannamen Square massacre is forgotten, in the very country where it should not be forgotten?

Yet another example that shows that capitalism is inherently flawed and rotten to the core.

Ummm, yeah I put the right to not be mown down by the government for protesting above the right to privacy.

Which is not what is at stake with what google is doing


I think the only comparison you could draw is if the Bush administration then proceeded to make a hit list of people to kill (the US has done it in the past, but not within its own borders).

It's not as if Chinese people have the ability to get at the international Google to find out the truth. Do you really think that it's not much of a problem if the Tiannamen Square massacre is forgotten, in the very country where it should not be forgotten?

Yet another example that shows that capitalism is inherently flawed and rotten to the core.

I did not say it was not a problem but it is hardly googles fault that the chineese government does this.

I love freedom of information but google making a specific product or not is not going to change the bad thing that the chineese are doing

Where releasing our information to thoes asshats in office very well could

Yet another example that shows that capitalism is inherently flawed and rotten to the core.

Agreed. Communism is far better. Just look at China.

Wait a minute....

Agreed. Communism is far better. Just look at China.

Wait a minute....
Zing :)

Personally I think we should use capatalizm to show google we dont like this

By hitting them where it hurts
The pocket book

I did not say it was not a problem but it is hardly googles fault that the chinese government does this.
It's Google's fault for complying with this to make a quick buck. I know that the totalitarians would do it anyway, but Google should not have gone along with it.

I love freedom of information but google making a specific product or not is not going to change the bad thing that the chineese are doing

Where releasing our information to thoes asshats in office very well could

I actually think that western businesses have a big influence in China. They need us to keep their economy doing. If western business had any respect for human rights they could threaten the Chinese economy with collapse due to withdrawal.

Keep in mind that in America Google did the right thing and did not cave in to the government. Even if they did, I believe that the erasure of the incident in Tiannemen Square from history is of much more serious possible consequence. If people forget that this happened it will be much easier for the Chinese government to continue committing more atrocities.

Mmkay ... click over to page 5 of the chinese google search and you'll find your pic of the dude in front of the tanks.

Strange that China would want people to see that there's more to Tianamen than one incident. How very, very evil of them!

I have a problem with the fact that they pushed it away from the front page at all. Most people aren't going to look to the fifth page. The photos of the massacre are much more important

Agreed. Communism is far better. Just look at China.

Wait a minute....
China is a capitalist dictatorship that models itself after Pinochet's Chile more than any communist state or ideology.

There's a rather obvious way around this.

If many webmasters from all over the world include a picture of the Tianamen massacre, but rename it to something else completely different in their sites (such as aeroplane.jpg or mcdonalds.gif, etc....or perhaps the top 10 most common searches in google.cn), it isn't going to stop them seeing the image pop up randomly during searches, and will piss off both Google and the Chinese government majorly.

Given the amount of outrage over all this, i'm surprised someone hasn't already tried to start a coalition to do it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4496163.stm

It's been going on for a couple of years.

Zing :)

Personally I think we should use capatalizm to show google we dont like this

By hitting them where it hurts
The pocket book

Yes, because allowing some searching where none was possible before is far worse than handing over personal search information like AOL, Yahoo, and MSN did. Personally, if I had any money to spare, I'd be buying as much stock in Google as I could.

Well, I am buying as much as I can, but if I had extra capital, then that amount would be more than zero.

Yes, because allowing some searching where none was possible before is far worse than handing over personal search information like AOL, Yahoo, and MSN did. Personally, if I had any money to spare, I'd be buying as much stock in Google as I could.

Well, I am buying as much as I can, but if I had extra capital, then that amount would be more than zero.
WTF did I not just get done saying for like 6 posts that I find that giving over personal search information was worse?
Where in the quoted post does it give any indication to my standing on the relitive "detestability" between giving away info to the government and filtering resuilts

Sheesh just because I find that worse does not mean I have to like this

Edit
Ok the last 3 posts before that
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10309932&postcount=37
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10309990&postcount=39
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10310082&postcount=41

Now I see why Steve Ballmer wants "to f*cking kill Google"
EDIT: Look, when I queried censorship (http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&q=censorship&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2) I only got 2 results. :headbang:

and one of them is "the US military censorship. Reuters" :confused: :rolleyes: :eek: :D :p

Oh the irony...

Sorry if I'm being stupid, but could somebody explain to me why this is a big deal. China already restricts the internet, so they want google to do the same. But the thing is, how could they have done any different? The chinese government can pretty much do what they want so if google didnt comply with their laws, the goverment would shut them down. I think a restricted google is better than no google at all.

In the other case were they refused to hand over the search records it was because even if they did tell the US government to screw themselves, they could still remain operational. I dont see how google could have done anything different.

Woah Woah! look what else they filter
http://images.google.cn/images?q=porn

(Dont worry sadly family friendly)

Gah! I looove the john ashcroft image, though. :D

Anyway, to get the desired results, search for pr0n ... well ... sort of desired results .... *coff*

I have a problem with the fact that they pushed it away from the front page at all. Most people aren't going to look to the fifth page. The photos of the massacre are much more important


Really? Then find me the pics of the slaughter of the American Indian in this American Google search:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Native%20American&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

Where's the outrage?

Really? Then find me the pics of the slaughter of the American Indian in this American Google search:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Native%20American&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

Where's the outrage?

We didn't take pics of that slaughter, not that I consider it a slaughter. Disease that we brought over killed most of them anyways. Do I realize many were killed by us? Yes. Do I want to give up my house and move to Europe because of it? No. As far as I'm concerned the natives are now either citizens of Canada or the United States, no special treatment required.

On the subject of Google, they are starting to become greedy bastards. Since they aren't gonna make much in China anyways, but those few extra millions might help them buy their soul back...

What happened to the "Do no evil" thing? Censorship for profit is very very evil.

We didn't take pics of that slaughter, not that I consider it a slaughter. Disease that we brought over killed most of them anyways. Do I realize many were killed by us? Yes. Do I want to give up my house and move to Europe because of it? No. As far as I'm concerned the natives are now either citizens of Canada or the United States, no special treatment required.


I see ...

If the Communists slaughter some folks and have no Google pics of it, it's a horrible thing and we should have them all hanged.

If the United States slaughters a bunch of folks and have no Google pics of it, it's whiney natives who demand reparations unfairly.

*sings the I Love Hypocrisy song*

Keruvalia,

Are you suggesting that the USG is blocking information on what happened to native Americans ?

At least Google didn't cough up user information to the US government. :)


Google refuses US data request (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1552224.htm)
That’s because the US government does not yet have complete control over free enterprise, thank God.

I see ...

If the Communists slaughter some folks and have no Google pics of it, it's a horrible thing and we should have them all hanged.

If the United States slaughters a bunch of folks and have no Google pics of it, it's whiney natives who demand reparations unfairly.

*sings the I Love Hypocrisy song*
Perhaps you should be singing the *I’m a self-righteous twit song*?

I see ...

If the Communists slaughter some folks and have no Google pics of it, it's a horrible thing and we should have them all hanged.

If the United States slaughters a bunch of folks and have no Google pics of it, it's whiney natives who demand reparations unfairly.

*sings the I Love Hypocrisy song*
It's not Hypocrisy if the search conditions are not equivalent. Why not compare apples to apples Keru?

The Googles listed were not for "Chinese" or "Chinese Massacre" but "Tiannemen Square"

Google "Wounded Knee" and you will get what few photos were available in 1890 AND 1973.

Intellectual Honesty dude. Live it.

At least Google didn't cough up user information to the US government. :)


Google refuses US data request (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200601/s1552224.htm)
After reading that a week or so ago, I now have some respect for Google.

Keruvalia,

Are you suggesting that the USG is blocking information on what happened to native Americans ?


No ... I'm suggesting that it's a fool's errand.

Google can only show what people have made websites about. It's not God.

I'm sure there's plenty of Chinese sites concerning Tianemen and what happened there, but someone isn't searching right. Give me some time and I bet I can find all of them.

It's called Intellectual Honesty. *coff*

It's not Hypocrisy if the search conditions are not equivalent. Why not compare apples to apples Keru?

That's exactly my point, Syn.

Maybe try this:

Search on Tiannemen square (http://images.google.cn/images?hl=zh-CN&q=Tiannemen%20square&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&sa=N&tab=wi)

Search on Tianemen square (http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&lr=&q=Tianemen+square&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2)

Search on Tiannemen tanks (http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&lr=&q=Tiannemen+tanks&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2)

Also substitute protest, massacre, and other words and you come up with hundreds of websites (not necessarily images) about it in China and on Chinese hosts.

An image search requires that your search have what you search in the name of the image. Maybe you should try typing up the Chinese in the search bar instead of English.

Intellectual Honesty. Live it.

I see ...

If the Communists slaughter some folks and have no Google pics of it, it's a horrible thing and we should have them all hanged.

If the United States slaughters a bunch of folks and have no Google pics of it, it's whiney natives who demand reparations unfairly.

*sings the I Love Hypocrisy song*

Communists trying to stop freedom and democracy.

The United States was taking land.

I don't really agree with either but you have to put yourself in the mindset of the time for the United States.

Another interesting comparison between the two googles. I searched 'massacre' in both, and the normal google gotten a wide variety of pics from 50 cent posters to the crusades on page one. The chinese one was filled with pictures of Japanese massacres.

Another interesting comparison between the two googles. I searched 'massacre' in both, and the normal google gotten a wide variety of pics from 50 cent posters to the crusades on page one. The chinese one was filled with pictures of Japanese massacres.

Very good! I'm glad to know there's someone else in this thread who can think more globally and rationally.

That's exactly my point, Syn.Then why didn't you say so in the first place? ;)

Maybe try this:

Search on Tiannemen square (http://images.google.cn/images?hl=zh-CN&q=Tiannemen%20square&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&sa=N&tab=wi)

Search on Tianemen square (http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&lr=&q=Tianemen+square&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2)

Search on Tiannemen tanks (http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&lr=&q=Tiannemen+tanks&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2)

Also substitute protest, massacre, and other words and you come up with hundreds of websites (not necessarily images) about it in China and on Chinese hosts.

An image search requires that your search have what you search in the name of the image. Maybe you should try typing up the Chinese in the search bar instead of English.

Intellectual Honesty. Live it.
Yep. All of those are better comparative searches than your first one. :p

Then why didn't you say so in the first place? ;)


Oh you know me ... I like to argue in circles. :D

How long have we been on these forums together?

No ... I'm suggesting that it's a fool's errand.

Google can only show what people have made websites about. It's not God.

I'm sure there's plenty of Chinese sites concerning Tianemen and what happened there, but someone isn't searching right. Give me some time and I bet I can find all of them.


Forget the pics.

Did you compare a word search? Do you see no difference (other than Chinese characters on the screen)?

Have you read this HRW report?

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/asia/china-bck-0701.htm
Freedom of Expression and the Internet in China
A Human Rights Watch Backgrounder

They even have something called internet police and people to watch chatrooms and steer discussions to toe the official line..

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=3676
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.image?id=3670
A policeman watches Chinese Internet users

Over the past 18 months, Beijing-using state-of-the-art technology-has significantly stepped up its efforts to control the country's cyberspace, delaying dreams that the Internet would channel new ideas and freedom of expression in China. Some even wonder if the government hasn't already turned the technology to its own advantage as a tool of repression. But those may be fleeting victories as the growing strength of China's netizens begin to overwhelm Chinese censors - known as the Big Mamas.

No one knows exactly how big China's Internet police force is these days, although estimates run as high as 40,000. But whatever its size, its sophistication is greater than ever. The government's new capabilities were revealed in September 2002, when it blocked access to the Google search engine for a week. More ominous, the government also has the ability to search for keywords, and to block “sensitive” e-mails. Several hundreds of thousands of Web pages, like those devoted to Taiwan, the Falun Gong or foreign news coverage, are blocked by the government. The software, says one expert, “is a great technological leap forward.” Chinese censors also employ filtering technology to block and intercept e-mails to and from the country's close to 80 million Netizens.

Beijing has become quite skilled at hunting down proxy servers that allow users to maneuver around firewalls. The average cyber life of a new proxy server is now about 30 minutes. Nor are Internet cafes havens any longer for exploring the Net. Cafes in some provinces are experimenting with swipe cards linked to customers' national ID cards. Some Beijing Internet cafes have installed surveillance cameras overlooking computer screens. One cafe manager showed me a back room, where a police-linked computer, connected to four spy cameras, monitored users.

They even have something called internet police and people to watch chatrooms and steer discussions to toe the official line..


So?

I get harrassed by police if I pray in public in the "land of the free". Because I'm prostrating east, I might be about to blow something up. Never mind that such things haven't happened here in nearly 5 years.

China can be China and the people of China can deal with it as they will. If you're not Chinese, I say butt out. I'd rather deal with the problems in my own country.

Well... if you search for 'bogside derry' on images.google.co.uk you'll find there's not too much that would cause offense. Infact you'd probably believe that people of Derry were united behind the rest of the UK in defense of freedom and their hatred of Bush.

Pick your words right and you'll come up with a slightly diffrent pictorial history of Derry, you might even come across a picture of a groups of protesters behind a banner that would read 'Derry Civils Rights Association' if weren't for that fact that it was covered in blood.

But I wouldn't accuse Google of coluding with the British government in attempt to paint a rosey picture of Northern Ireland.

I'd point out that it really depends on what you search for. Many other things happen in Derry besides peaceful protestors getting mowed down by the British military. The same, perhaps more so, goes for Tiananmen Square, seeing as it is a busy part of China's capital.

But yes, there's still censorship going on. China is going an admirable job, and I'm sure that their coverup of Tiananmen Square would have completely collapsed without Google's assistance.

Ok, people do know censorship has been arround for i don't know how long, including the past years in countries like america and also britain??? And, even if google didn't do this whole censorship thing in china, then all the chinese internet providers would be doing it and they are, they have been doing that for a while now already... I mean, censorship is everywhere, however much we may hate it...

China can be China and the people of China can deal with it as they will. If you're not Chinese, I say butt out. I'd rather deal with the problems in my own country.

Brainwashed and indoctrinated Chinese are my problem since China is hostile to my country and is still occupying a piece of my country.

Brainwashed and indoctrinated Chinese are my problem since China is hostile to my country and is still occupying a piece of my country.

India rocks