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Is anyone else here tired of the bullshiters that talk trash about Israel? They make the nation out to be some terrible, stalinesque, satan loving hell hole...Well they are blinded by their anti-Israel, anti-semetic mindsets. I mean think about it. They would rather see Israel be blown apart by peace and democractic hating terrorists, than to spend a few extra dollars of their tax money to help aid israel.. I for one am tired of the Anti-Israel bias infiltrating these forums

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Yea, Israel actually tries to discriminate between terrorist and civies. While Hamas just blows all to kingdom come.

You realize, of course that you are doing two things with this post.
1 - preaching to the choir
2 - inviting multiple attacks from the people being criticized(no matter how right you might be)

2 - inviting multiple attacks from the people being criticized
Seconded... and how!

Yeah I like Israel, they make good milk shakes

You realize, of course that you are doing two things with this post.
1 - preaching to the choir
2 - inviting multiple attacks from the people being criticized(no matter how right you might be)


well I prefer to stand up for what is right..no matter how many people may ignore me or even hate me..it just what i do.

Both Palestine and Israel should get their acts together, but the US doesn’t need to be and shouldn't be any part of that. I like my tax dollars in America, where it is at least benefiting me somewhat, damn it!

Is anyone else here tired of the bullshiters that talk trash about Israel?

Not yet, no. Ask me again in a couple of weeks or so.

well I prefer to stand up for what is right..no matter how many people may ignore me or even hate me..it just what i do.
You poor martyr you.

You poor martyr you.


Hey I don't desire sympathy or any recognition or anything..Like i said i do what is right. you have a problem with it, then thats your fault not mine.

Hey I don't desire sympathy or any recognition or anything..Like i said i do what is right. you have a problem with it, then thats your fault not mine.
Oh don't worry. I *know* I'm right.

Not yet, no. Ask me again in a couple of weeks or so.
*titters*

Is anyone else here tired of the bullshiters that talk trash about Israel? They make the nation out to be some terrible, stalinesque, satan loving hell hole...Well they are blinded by their anti-Israel, anti-semetic mindsets. I mean think about it. They would rather see Israel be blown apart by peace and democractic hating terrorists, than to spend a few extra dollars of their tax money to help aid israel.. I for one am tired of the Anti-Israel bias infiltrating these forums

Though I find myself being more responsive to the Israëli point of view, I find your statement to be rather unconstructive, not to mention slighty rediculous.
The anti-israel bias infiltrating these forums? Truelly these people have as much right to their own opinion as you have to yours.

Perhaps you claim to hold the moral highground in this discussion, but the topic of the middle-east conflict is one drenched in many shades of grey.

Through discussion we gain more understanding of the conflict and to hold opinions such as the one you hold now will rarely broaden your knowledge.

They make the nation out to be some terrible, stalinesque, satan loving hell hole...Well they are blinded by their anti-Israel, anti-semetic mindsets.
You're doing it again...
Anti-Israel =/= Antisemitic

Arabs are Semites.

Perhaps you claim to hold the moral highground in this discussion, but the topic of the middle-east conflict is one drenched in many shades of grey.
You win the thread.

Sadly, Israel-supporters here don't do "grey" all that well, and neither do the Palestine-supporters.

I for one am tired of the Anti-Israel bias infiltrating these forums

i'm tired of pro-israel US media propaganda.

*titters*

It's nice to see someone can laugh with me and not at me.

Frankly, I'm surprised nobody's asked me what I meant.

It's nice to see someone can laugh with me and not at me.

Frankly, I'm surprised nobody's asked me what I meant.

So Keruvalia, what did you mean? [/obliging question]

I love Israel. They make my anti-perspirant, after all.

*Wonders where OceanDrive3 is*

The Israelis and the Palestinians deserve eachother. The only thing I feel any anger about anymore is that the United States and Europe fund their mutual destrution.

Cut them both off. Let em throw rocks at eachother.

The Israelis and the Palestinians deserve eachother. The only thing I feel any anger about anymore is that the United States and Europe fund their mutual destrution.

Cut them both off. Let em throw rocks at eachother.
Well, the Isrealis will start with the rocks when they run out of the millions of dollars worth of weapons the usa gave them:rolleyes:

You're doing it again...
Anti-Israel =/= Antisemitic

Arabs are Semites.


You win the thread.

Sadly, Israel-supporters here don't do "grey" all that well, and neither do the Palestine-supporters.

I always wonder why so few people know that, its like the jews have stolen the word semite, and't don't let the arabs have it anymore...
An Arab can not be an anti semite, for then he would have to kill him self!!!
A persian can be an anti semite seeing as he is aryan, and there we go again, the nazis made the word aryan only be for platine blond whites, but in reality, all europeans, and perisan are aryans...
Not that this is relevant, people ought not kill each other no matter their race and skin, but I can't stress that enough people, an arab CAN NOT be an anti semite

I always wonder why so few people know that, its like the jews have stolen the word semite, and't don't let the arabs have it anymore...
An Arab can not be an anti semite, for then he would have to kill him self!!!
A persian can be an anti semite seeing as he is aryan, and there we go again, the nazis made the word aryan only be for platine blond whites, but in reality, all europeans, and perisan are aryans...
Not that this is relevant, people ought not kill each other no matter their race and skin, but I can't stress that enough people, an arab CAN NOT be an anti semite

Evidently:rolleyes:

Incidentally, did you not take the hint?

Evidently:rolleyes:

Incidentally, did you not take the hint?
of what does thau speak

I always wonder why so few people know that, its like the jews have stolen the word semite, and't don't let the arabs have it anymore...
An Arab can not be an anti semite, for then he would have to kill him self!!!
A persian can be an anti semite seeing as he is aryan, and there we go again, the nazis made the word aryan only be for platine blond whites, but in reality, all europeans, and perisan are aryans...
Not that this is relevant, people ought not kill each other no matter their race and skin, but I can't stress that enough people, an arab CAN NOT be an anti semite


Incorrect

The term anti-Semitism refers specifically to the hatred of Jews and has never been used to refer to hatred against Arabs. Claims by some Arabs to the contrary are just an effort to detract from the potency of the term or deflect specific reference to their blatant 'Jew-Hating'

In any case, attempting to dismiss the notion of 'Arab anti-Semitism' because of semantics does not erase the fact of its existence nor its consequences.

In any case, attempting to dismiss the notion of 'Arab anti-Semitism' because of semantics does not erase the fact of its existence nor its consequences.
True.

My actual point was in the first sentence then: That being against Israeli behaviour, or even against a Jewish State is not antisemitism. There are plenty of Jews who think Israel is doing much wrong and who'd rather not have a state at all, because they don't think it's worth the hassle.

There are plenty of Jews who think Israel is doing much wrong and who'd rather not have a state at all, because they don't think it's worth the hassle.

I doubt that includes the ones that live there.

Incorrect

The term anti-Semitism refers specifically to the hatred of Jews and has never been used to refer to hatred against Arabs. Claims by some Arabs to the contrary are just an effort to detract from the potency of the term or deflect specific reference to their blatant 'Jew-Hating'

In any case, attempting to dismiss the notion of 'Arab anti-Semitism' because of semantics does not erase the fact of its existence nor its consequences.
Well, you can call a cat a dog, but in the end it will stil be a cat.

You didn't get the point, arabs are semites, they can not hate semites, they may hate jews, that would be anti'jewism or something, but beeing antisemite, can only be done by none semites..

If what you said is true, are all Europeans who do not have platina blond hair nor aryans? Thats what Hitler made of the word[he had dark hair and dark eyes:p ]You can change the meaning of a word, but in reality it is still the same.. So by this logic,aryans are only platina blonds with light blue eyes, semites are just people who are jewish by feith or etnich groups, Carthege[inians] were semites for instance, and are[were] close to the jews in terms of languege and faith[the jewis devil is the god of carthage] they are both western semites, arabs are eastern semites....

An anti-semite is in my book someone who has a racist hatred of the semite peoples like arabs, jews, and some north africans, the term is often used by confused people as a term that only applyes for people that are racist to one of the many semite peoples, in this case the jews...

My 2 cents

[and i didn't compere Isreal to Hitler, but its just as absured calling only jews semites, as it is to call only platina blond germanic aryans, aryan, what are then celts slavs dinarids persians greek roman..etc]

I doubt that includes the ones that live there.
Do you know any jews in person?
The jews ought to have s state, I agree 100%, but not on these terms...
Not as the master folk, that has palestinians for slaves....
[palestinans working for shit low wages for Isreali farmers, whils water is cut of to their own farms]

A lot of jews probably have issues with the isreal as it is now..
Just as a lot of arabs have issues with al-quide, hamas etc........

The best solution would be the borders that were set in 48, where both get half the land, and there is a un administration of jerusal since a lot of people are horny on getting that city, and letting one have it would fuck things up..

My eight cents

Do you know any jews in person?
The jews ought to have s state, I agree 100%, but not on these terms...
Not as the master folk, that has palestinians for slaves....
[palestinans working for shit low wages for Isreali farmers, whils water is cut of to their own farms]

A lot of jews probably have issues with the isreal as it is now..
Just as a lot of arabs have issues with al-quide, hamas etc........

The best solution would be the borders that were set in 48, where both get half the land, and there is a un administration of jerusal since a lot of people are horny on getting that city, and letting one have it would fuck things up..

My eight cents

Many. A great number of my closest friends are jews. From time to time the subject of isreal comes up.

As to the borders of 48, had the arab states not tried to drive isreal into the sea, it probably wouldn't be an issue today. In fact, I imagine had the arabs just ignored isreali, instead of providing a unifying force, it might well have torn itself apart in the first few years.

As to the borders of 48, had the arab states not tried to drive isreal into the sea, it probably wouldn't be an issue today. In fact, I imagine had the arabs just ignored isreali, instead of providing a unifying force, it might well have torn itself apart in the first few years.

Really, can you blame them for doing what they did in 48? :rolleyes: A new country had just been carved out of their land without anyone really bothering to ask.

Time to stop living in the past, and start living beside each other. Neither side is going anywhere.

Really, can you blame them for doing what they did in 48? :rolleyes: A new country had just been carved out of their land without anyone really bothering to ask.

So they were intending to use their independence to give their land back to the turks?

Really, the whole area was just carved out. I fail to see how the partition of isreal was any different other that it had: UN approval, and was not primarily arab.

Nor was it "their land." There were Jews in that part of the world before 1948. And they wanted Isreal.

Time to stop living in the past, and start living beside each other. Neither side is going anywhere.

I agree, which is why returning to the 48 borders is infeasible. On the other hand, had the arab states just stuck thumbs up their collective asses - instead of going apeshit over what really is a trivial matter - the 48 borders would probably be where things are today. And then the palestinians would be jordan's problem.

Really, can you blame them for doing what they did in 48? :rolleyes: A new country had just been carved out of their land without anyone really bothering to ask.

Time to stop living in the past, and start living beside each other. Neither side is going anywhere.

couldn't hey intermarry, and all become jews, or all become palestinains anyways, they are both the desendets of abraham anyways, and they look the fucking same:mp5:

You didn't get the point, arabs are semites, they can not hate semites, they may hate jews, that would be anti'jewism or something, but beeing antisemite, can only be done by none semites.



Of course Arabs are semites, but Anti-Semitism only refers to hatred/prejudice/discrimination against Jews.

You can argue that this is technically incorrect if you want but it has been the accepted definition for over a century. If you look up the word in a dictionary you will find this to be the case.


An anti-semite is in my book someone who has a racist hatred of the semite peoples like arabs, jews, and some north africans, the term is often used by confused people as a term that only applyes for people that are racist to one of the many semite peoples, in this case the jews...


Well, why not write your own dictionary then? It will be practically worthless. The term is not confused; it is clearly understood by all intelligent people on the planet.



[and i didn't compere Isreal to Hitler, but its just as absured calling only jews semites, as it is to call only platina blond germanic aryans, aryan, what are then celts slavs dinarids persians greek roman..etc]

Of course it's absurd claiming that only Jews can be labelled Semites; but that's not what anyone's doing here. Anti-Semitism has it's own accepted definition that is related to, but not invalidated by, the independent definition of the word Semite. Language is an complex matter to put it mildly.

Maybe that shouldn't be the case but it is. That is the only point I have made and the one you seem to have missed

True.

My actual point was in the first sentence then: That being against Israeli behaviour, or even against a Jewish State is not antisemitism. There are plenty of Jews who think Israel is doing much wrong and who'd rather not have a state at all, because they don't think it's worth the hassle.


I agree that legitimate criticism of Israel is sometimes deflected with false charges of Anti-Semitism; but I also contend that Anti-Semitic mindsets often try to cloak their world-views in seemingly standard criticism of the Jewish State.

It's a difficult one to call though, not least because as soon as you mention the word it tends to illicit an emotive response.

Is anyone else here tired of the bullshiters that talk trash about Israel? They make the nation out to be some terrible, stalinesque, satan loving hell hole...Well they are blinded by their anti-Israel, anti-semetic mindsets. I mean think about it. They would rather see Israel be blown apart by peace and democractic hating terrorists, than to spend a few extra dollars of their tax money to help aid israel.. I for one am tired of the Anti-Israel bias infiltrating these forums
I hate all the Anti-Anti Israel bias.