NationStates Jolt Archive


Which global 'land dispute' is the most pressing issue?

Valdania
26-01-2006, 10:17
Which of these situations do you think is the one the world could best do with a long term solution towards? I know they're not all exactly the same issue but they are all essentially people arguing either over land or at least the sovereignty of that land.
Niraqa
26-01-2006, 10:40
China wants Taiwan badly. Very badly.
Gadiristan
26-01-2006, 10:50
I think the most important to solve is the palestinian question, 'cause is the one where more people die and suffer. It's also the problem that can influence more in the rest of the world.

I think you've forgot the Sahara-Morocco question. Although violence has almost stopped, it's a big problem.
Neo-Azhrea
26-01-2006, 10:50
I think that Palestine/ Isreal need to be settled, since America is an ally of Isreal. If some sountry were to declare war on Isreal, we would get dragged along with them. We have caused enough problems in the mid-east.
Mariehamn
26-01-2006, 11:05
China wants Taiwan badly. Very badly.
The current political situation is eventual reunification. Both China and one of the major parties of Taiwan want to reunite at some time in the future. Not soon, or even in the next generation, but eventually. Like when Taiwan won't be pulled down economically and culturally because of it. That's the way I understand it.

Anywho, I've heard that Canada, Denmark, the USA, and Russia are fighting over what's being revealed by the ice-caps melting in the Northern Hesmisphere. That's a pretty pressing issue that nations are willing to fight over frozen desert just to hopefully discover some oil, coal, you name it. And these expiditions aren't cheap either. They're a waste of my tax dollars.
Valdania
26-01-2006, 11:09
I think you've forgot the Sahara-Morocco question. Although violence has almost stopped, it's a big problem.


There are many I haven't mentioned; everyone suggest them as you see fit.

I selected Kashmir myself because of the nuclear dimension.
Gymoor II The Return
26-01-2006, 11:29
There are many I haven't mentioned; everyone suggest them as you see fit.

I selected Kashmir myself because of the nuclear dimension.

Exactly my thinking as well. Both sides have nukes. Bad. Very bad.
The UN abassadorship
26-01-2006, 11:42
Palestine needs to be freed from its illegal and brutual occupation by the israelis 1st and foremost. This will help bring peace to the region and also make the US less likely to attack. After all the occupation leads to pissed off Arabs(and Persians), who like to blow stuff up. No occupation=no angry people=less threat to the west. May be over-simplification but you get the idea. Side note: why wasnt the occupation of Tibet up as one of the options? Does no one care about this area or doesnt no one know about it?
Neu Leonstein
26-01-2006, 13:37
Israel and Palestine because of what it represents today. It has become almost a global symbol for the problem the West has with Islam - that may not be what it really is about, but that's what many (especially in the Arab world) think of it.

Kasmir after that, because Pakistan is such an unstable and dangerous place at times, and it would be better if India could help rather than be a potential enemy. Plus of course, thousands and thousands of people get killed by Islamists from Kashmir every year.
Wildwolfden
26-01-2006, 13:47
Palestine
Psychotic Mongooses
26-01-2006, 13:48
I can't believe Northern Ireland is still on the same type of lists as Israel/Palestine *shakes head*
Super-power
26-01-2006, 13:50
Does Kelo v. New London count as a 'land dispute?' Yea I know it's not the same type of those listed above but it still posses me off
Gassputia
26-01-2006, 14:39
China wants Taiwan badly. Very badly.
Taiwan is chine dough, so it can't be on this list in the same way that Palestine and Irlands is, Taiwan is not a metter of stealing land...
Ireland And Palestine both are more or less.....
Not that I take a stance on any of these..
Taiwan is chiona, it's the same thing like, well, what if Communist in Alaska decleared their independence from the US, and got loads of arms from China/other red states;)
Super-power
26-01-2006, 14:41
Taiwan is chine dough, so it can't be on this list in the same way that Palestine and Irlands is, Taiwan is not a metter of stealing land...
Yes, Taiwan has de facto soveriegnty. As a result there's some tension over if China should "reclaim" a sovereign land
Gassputia
26-01-2006, 14:59
Yes, Taiwan has de facto soveriegnty. As a result there's some tension over if China should "reclaim" a sovereign land

I jst tought that since sooner or later either commies are gonna take over the world, or commiunism will suffer and blow that will leave it with no nations, taiwan is not an etnich thingy and it does not belong here;)
Critz
26-01-2006, 15:08
I think that Palestine is the major problem that needs to be solved. There is more chance of it spreading to a major conflict, it is bloodier, more innocent people are being hurt. The major problem is that neither side has a "f---ing" brain cell in their head.


Now the problem that we really need to apply some time and effort to, is the Celts regaining their lands in Northern Europe, particularly France. Might be a good thing for the Celts to get control of the French Nukes before the French use them:fluffle: . Then there is always the plight of the Cherokee. Don't you think that we should clear the lands of Tennesse, North Carolina and South Carolina of the European settlers and move the Cherokee back to their native lands.
Dododecapod
26-01-2006, 15:47
For me it's Taiwan. Palestine/Israel is non-solvable; two groups claim the same land, one of them's going to lose, and then try again when it seems the situation is more favourable. Only a temporary solution at best can occur, at least until both sides acknowledge that the other has a place (i.e. will never occur).

Taiwan is the only major bone of contention between two major nuclear-armed powers. It is the only easily forseeable route to WWIII in the near future. Both sides, thankfully, seem fully cognizant of that, and avoid escalation as much as possible, but the situation needs resolution.
Drunk commies deleted
26-01-2006, 16:06
Clearly it's Kashmir.

1) It's a possible trigger for a nuclear war.

2) It's justification for alot of terrorism.

3) It can actually be settled, unlike the Palestine thing.


Palestine isn't nearly as important because

1) Nobody's going to get nuked over Palestine.

2) Only the elimination of Israel will end terrorism in that conflict. Not going to happen.

3) See number two. Trying to settle Palestine to the satisfaction of any parties involved is futile. The only way to settle it is to let them fight on until they start to get tired of it.
The Infinite Dunes
26-01-2006, 16:27
I think I might go with Cyprus. Seeing as how a solution would require serious contemplation on how the EU functions, how Turkey functions. It has the potential to calm tensions on both sides of the Aegean. Racial tensions between Turks and others could be soothed, specially in Germany. And there also seem to be a lot of 'tools and levers' available to provide a solution.

It would also lead to Turkey's acession to the EU, giving us a border with places like Syria and Iraq, requiring the EU to take a more active role in finding a solution to Middle East conflicts. More importantly we would also have a mandate considering the new Borders.

NI is not a problem as such. It's problematic, but there's peace and everyone realises Paisley is being a prick. c.c

Taiwan I could hazard is best kept as it is - a stalemate. Moves either way would cause problems.

Kashmir is pretty important, I choose Cyprus to be pedantic really. But really Cyprus is a further stepping stone in bringing Turkey into being a truely free, democratic and unopressive state.

I think Palestine is solvable, but requires a massive amount of effort, time, resources, etc...
Nadkor
26-01-2006, 18:44
Kashmir and Taiwan.
Kroisistan
26-01-2006, 18:56
Taiwan. The worst that can happen with the others is a regional war. Taiwan however has the potential to drag the US into a war with China, and that would be a very, very bad thing.
Zilam
26-01-2006, 19:23
Well obviously none of you have been watching the dispute between the mole-people and those worm things from tremors. I mean this crap is explosive. Fighting for the all the land beneath the surface and all. My money is on the tremors thingies, just because they like evolved into little monsters that blow fire or something outta their ass..clearly that gives them the upper hand
Eaghenn
26-01-2006, 19:24
It always depends on the reaction of the US government.
Kashmir, Taiwan and Palestine could lead to a serious confrontation.
East Canuck
26-01-2006, 19:48
Hans Island, obviously.

;)
New Burmesia
26-01-2006, 20:18
There's no way that Northern Ireland or Kashmir are the world's most dangerous land disputes. Both sides in both issues have realised that there's too much at stake.

India and Pakistan have been moving in a democratic direction. I can't see how any side could gain over a war with each other. Of course, we Brits and the Irish haven't got too many probelms at the moment, but the government is still against opening the NI assembly, last I heard.

So i'd say Palestine, unless the irish-americans declare war on the UK!
Amtray
26-01-2006, 20:32
N. I. still a world class conflict??? *picks up armalite and ballot box*:p No way.We've had enough thanks.;)
The Eagle of Darkness
26-01-2006, 20:50
Now the problem that we really need to apply some time and effort to, is the Celts regaining their lands in Northern Europe, particularly France. Might be a good thing for the Celts to get control of the French Nukes before the French use them.

Independance for Brittany and Cornwall, methinks. Actually, there is a movement that supports reinstating Cornwall as a separate country in the United Kingdom, on equal footing with England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (do we have any more?). Personally, I support it on general principles - it'd be great.

[Reads around] Hey, look at that - apparently 'most local Liberal Democrat MPs and councillors strongly support moves for Cornish devolution, as do some Welsh nationalists' (Wikipedia). So I'm not even alone in this one.

(Edit: While we're at it, independance for Berwick-upon-Tweed once more!)
Amecian
26-01-2006, 20:59
I'd say TWN. It's a bitter little situation, especially with TWN's current party. If China and TWN we're to reunite both a good bit of the population of TWN and the US would have fits, and nuclear fits are to be avoided...
Kossackja
26-01-2006, 21:03
if that palestine issue was really so pressing, israel could resolve it any time by ethnically cleansing all the muslims from that land, but they arent doing it, so it cannot be that bad.
Kievan-Prussia
26-01-2006, 21:18
No! It's all about Koenigsberg! Give us back our capital, you commie bastards!
Kossackja
27-01-2006, 00:27
No! It's all about Koenigsberg! Give us back our capital, you commie bastards!and stettin! its occupation is against international law. we should start bombing schoolbuses in warsaw until the poles withdraw from the occupied territory.
Europa Maxima
27-01-2006, 01:13
No! It's all about Koenigsberg! Give us back our capital, you commie bastards!
Indeed.
Neu Leonstein
27-01-2006, 01:17
Königsberg? Capital? Of what?

Get a grip.
Sel Appa
27-01-2006, 01:20
Kick out the "Palestinians"
Aryavartha
27-01-2006, 01:50
Kasmir after that, because Pakistan is such an unstable and dangerous place at times, and it would be better if India could help rather than be a potential enemy.

We can't help somebody who points a gun to his head and threatens to shoot himself.
Marrakech II
27-01-2006, 02:29
I vote Taiwan for the mere fact that Kashmir and Palestine issues are a tough one. When one or more of the sides involved do not want to seriously fix the problem at hand.
Dixie Thunder
27-01-2006, 11:15
I voted "other" just to skew the poll results. But in reality I would have to choose either Kashmir or Tiwan. Why? Because all parties involved have nukes or have close allies that have nukes. The Palestinians are not going to nuke Israel. Those of you who think Palestine is a more pressing issue pay attention to the Jewish controlled media way too much.
Kievan-Prussia
27-01-2006, 13:59
Königsberg? Capital? Of what?

Get a grip.

Germany.
Lacadaemon
27-01-2006, 14:06
Hanover. It clearly should be returned to the British Crown. The UK is just to polite to ask for it back.
Kievan-Prussia
27-01-2006, 14:30
Hanover. It clearly should be returned to the British Crown. The UK is just to polite to ask for it back.

Hell no. Hanover was never part of Britain. The two nations merely had a single ruler. They split because the ruler of Hanover could only be male, and Victoria wasn't male.
Lacadaemon
27-01-2006, 14:36
Hell no. Hanover was never part of Britain. The two nations merely had a single ruler. They split because the ruler of Hanover could only be male, and Victoria wasn't male.

Mere technicality and, anyway, it doesn't have a ruler right now. Plus by the UK won it back fair and square twice.

Also, I think having the queen in charge there would promote a feeling of EUiness in the UK, which is something people on the continent want. So it's an all around win if you ask me.
Kievan-Prussia
27-01-2006, 14:41
Mere technicality and, anyway, it doesn't have a ruler right now. Plus by the UK won it back fair and square twice.

Also, I think having the queen in charge there would promote a feeling of EUiness in the UK, which is something people on the continent want. So it's an all around win if you ask me.

The King of the UK never ruled Hanover, the King of Hanover ruled the UK. Thus, the British Isles should be returned to Hanover's successor state, Germany. It's only fair.
Evoleerf
27-01-2006, 14:42
From my point of view its palestine, kashmir, sahara in that order

really israel shouldn't exist (and you can't get me for anti-semitism any one as i'm jewish enough to apply for citesenship (can't spell) i'm just anti zionist) and that would solve the plestine problem.

Kashmir should be a seperate country from india and pakistan (it was originally)

and the sahara thing moroco should leave them alone, clear up the mine fields and pay compensation to all the people they've fucked over.

there 3 problems 3 solutions

if I only ruled the world... sigh
Evil little girls
27-01-2006, 14:44
I think it is Palestine, that issue is one of the main causes of anti-western Islamic terrorism.
Lacadaemon
27-01-2006, 15:04
The King of the UK never ruled Hanover, the King of Hanover ruled the UK. Thus, the British Isles should be returned to Hanover's successor state, Germany. It's only fair.

Well, if germany ever actually wins a war, I'll keep that in mind.
Eutrusca
27-01-2006, 15:16
Kashmir. It's been a bone of contention between two nuclear powers for years. The parties have wildly different religions, have entirely different cultures, and are consumed with both pride and resentment.