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As you all may know, there is a major Genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan. The Genocide has claimed the lives of over 200,000 people. The players in it are the Sudan government and the Tuareque rebels. The Tuareque revolted against the prodominately Islamic government which caused the government to try and wipe out all of the Darfurian natives which leads us to where we are now. Ladies and Gentlemen, something needs to be done about this now!
We cannot let this turn into another "Rwanda". A major crissis like this is enough to destabilize an entire region.

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As you all may know, there is a major Genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan. The Genocide has claimed the lives of over 200,000 people. The players in it are the Sudan government and the Tuareque rebels. The Tuareque revolted against the prodominately Islamic government which caused the government to try and wipe out all of the Darfurian natives which leads us to where we are now. Ladies and Gentlemen, something needs to be done about this now!
We cannot let this turn into another "Rwanda". A major crissis like this is enough to destabilize an entire region.
Would be nice, but the only way to deal with it effectively is to kill all te Muslims in power in the Sudan.

I'm not sure outside intervention genocide is any better than internal genocide.

However, it certainly goes to show what you can do to a disarmed populous if you are bloodthirsty enough. :rolleyes:

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It's an African issue that should be dealt with by Africans. The problem is the South African Government has choosen to stick it's head in the sand. Like the Mugabe situation, the African National Congress has been pissweak and lax. Which is why I'm casting my vote behind the PAC and CPP.

It's an African issue that should be dealt with by Africans. The problem is the South African Government has choosen to stick it's head in the sand. Like the Mugabe situation, the African National Congress has been pissweak and lax. Which is why I'm casting my vote behind the PAC and CPP.

It would certainly help if Bush tried to make it an issue, such as pressing for the UN to call it genocide, or imposing sanctions on the government of the Sudan.

This is an African problem, to be solved by Africans. Intervention by anyone else would cause more problems.

And what's this I hear about Sudan becoming the President of the African Union? :confused:

This is an African problem, to be solved by Africans. Intervention by anyone else would cause more problems.

And what's this I hear about Sudan becoming the President of the African Union? :confused:
It doesn't really matter. The African Union has no real power.

Still, Sudan shouldn't be President of the local peanut butter club, much less a multinational governing body.

It would certainly help if Bush tried to make it an issue, such as pressing for the UN to call it genocide, or imposing sanctions on the government of the Sudan.
As the Tripod song goes "The ain't no oil in the Congo!"

As the Tripod song goes "The ain't no oil in the Congo!"

But there's oil in Nigeria!

This is an African problem, to be solved by Africans. Intervention by anyone else would cause more problems.

And what's this I hear about Sudan becoming the President of the African Union? :confused:

What if the Africans aren't the best people to deal with it or if they don't want to deal with it?

Last time I checked, the EU is very close to Sudan in terms of Geography. I would hope that the combined strength of all the Armed Forces in the EU could handle the problem....

As the Tripod song goes "The ain't no oil in the Congo!"

There is oil in Sudan, but France and China need the current government in Sudan to stay if they want any.

And people bitch about the US going after oil in Iraq.....

What if the Africans aren't the best people to deal with it or if they don't want to deal with it?

Last time I checked, the EU is very close to Sudan in terms of Geography. I would hope that the combined strength of all the Armed Forces in the EU could handle the problem....

Too bad. The Africans have to take care of this themselves. Be it diplomatic or military.

Any intervation, be it EU, American, or Martian would cause more harm than good. It's time for Africa to get it's shit together, and deal with this issue.

But there's oil in Nigeria!
It's a shame Nigeria has a deomcratically elected government that has improved living conditions, outed corrupt officials and prosecuted civil rights violators.

Too bad. The Africans have to take care of this themselves. Be it diplomatic or military.

Any intervation, be it EU, American, or Martian would cause more harm than good. It's time for Africa to get it's shit together, and deal with this issue.

It would be alot easier for Africa to deal with its problems if it wasn't full of dictatorships.

It's a shame Nigeria has a deomcratically elected government that has improved living conditions, outed corrupt officials and prosecuted civil rights violators.
Boo Democracy! Boo good housing! Boo non-corruption!

Yay evil Totalitarianism!

It would be alot easier for Africa to deal with its problems if it wasn't full of dictatorships.

Well, that's something they'll have to work on.

Well, that's something they'll have to work on.

I'm sure the West can help them with that problem.

Perhaps by kicking them out of the UN, followed by covert support for rebels, followed by air strikes.

I'm sure the West can help them with that problem.

Perhaps by kicking them out of the UN, followed by covert support for rebels, followed by air strikes.
Or how about doing something that hasn't failed everywhere you've tried it? How about leaving Africa alone, it's working in South Africa. Liberia and begin to move across the map.

Stop thinking of the West as being the world's parent.

It would be alot easier for Africa to deal with its problems if it wasn't full of dictatorships.
Perhaps if a foreign power placed alternative dictators in place, that would help? :rolleyes:

Or how about doing something that hasn't failed everywhere you've tried it? How about leaving Africa alone, it's working in South Africa. Liberia and begin to move across the map.

Stop thinking of the West as being the world's parent.

Isn't that exactly what I just said? To let Africa sort out African problems?

Isn't that exactly what I just said? To let Africa sort out African problems?

So how many Rwandas' would you let happen before doing something?

Isn't that exactly what I just said? To let Africa sort out African problems?
I said it differently

So how many Rwandas' would you let happen before doing something?
To be honest, I don't care. It'll eventually work itself out.

Intervention would cause more problems.

I said it differently

Well poo on you.

To be honest, I don't care. It'll eventually work itself out.

Intervention would cause more problems.

You don't care about millions of people dying? Perhaps Canada and America should have not fought in World War Two, I'm sure Europe would have solved its own problems...

So how many Rwandas' would you let happen before doing something?
The question is: 'How many Rwandas will we let die until South Africa, Egypt ot Nigeria does something?'

You don't care about millions of people dying? Perhaps Canada and America should have not fought in World War Two, I'm sure Europe would have solved its own problems...
Actually, America only acted after being attacked, and then only to strike at a mounting threat to it's own interests.

You don't care about millions of people dying? Perhaps Canada and America should have not fought in World War Two, I'm sure Europe would have solved its own problems...

Yup. You're probably right.

Yup. You're probably right.

Please never run for President.

Please never run for President.

Gee, I thought everyone wanted America to stay out of other nations' business.

The question is: 'How many Rwandas will we let die until South Africa, Egypt ot Nigeria does something?'

But do they have the ability to deal with it?

But do they have the ability to deal with it?

They have a better ability than the west. Or east, for that matter.

But do they have the ability to deal with it?
South Africa has a powerful Navy, Air Force & Army that is more then capable of not only defending it's borders, but extending them.

South Africa has a powerful Navy, Air Force & Army that is more then capable of not only defending it's borders, but extending them.

I realize that South Africa has probably the best military in Africa but the question is, are they willing to use it?

I realize that South Africa has probably the best military in Africa but the question is, are they willing to use it?The current government isn't. Hence my previous reference to me chaning my vote from ANC & Lib to PAC & CCP

Ladies and Gentlemen, something needs to be done about this now!

And what exactly would you suggest be done? The only solutions being offered here (and I might add, by the world in general) are "someobody should do something!" or "let Africa work out it's own problems!"
In regards to the first, should a foreign power invade and stop the war? If so, how?
In regards to the second, Africa has been free to work out it's own problems for some 60-50 odd years, to no apparant effect.

In the end, I suspect depopulation due to HIV and incessant war will be the horrible solution, simply because nothing else will work.

A major crissis like this is enough to destabilize an entire region.

As if the region were at all stable.

So? Even if Africa has not been able to work out it's problems, intervention is worse.

Besides, much of thelack of "Working out" is caused by western intervention.

Would be nice, but the only way to deal with it effectively is to kill all te Muslims in power in the Sudan.

I'm not sure outside intervention genocide is any better than internal genocide.

However, it certainly goes to show what you can do to a disarmed populous if you are bloodthirsty enough. :rolleyes:

counter genocide:p

I have only recently been completely informed of everthing going on in Darfur and I think its horrible whats happening to these people and it needs to be stoped. although i think the US needs to mind our own business those unforunate people really need someones help. they need more troops to help save their people. If there is any information that I should know about this issue n much id like it if whom ever readingthis would drop on by n let me know because I like to be in the know about things such as this.

save Darfur!!!

if anyone is really pasionate about this there is a protest in DC on April 30th and if u go to the save dafur coalition's website you can register for it!

"Tuareque" is not a word (neither is "crissis"). If you meant "Tuaregs", well, they don't live in Sudan (by which I also mean Darfur).

Main problem is:
China buys oil from Sudan, so China will likely veto any UN plans for Sudan
US is tied up in Iraq, so US can't help
EU could do it, but EU is not very pro-intervention

I really don't see anyone but Chad doing anything, and they don't have the power.

After US gets out of Iraq, though... Sudan better do something about this before the US takes action.

Or, someone could convince China that they could secure better oil deals in Sudan if they helped out. China invades, shuts down the Janjaweed, gets mucho thanks from the world for intervening, and takes over half the oil fields in Sudan.

Failing that, the US could sell tanks to the Darfurian rebels.

I have only recently been completely informed of everthing going on in Darfur and I think its horrible whats happening to these people and it needs to be stoped. although i think the US needs to mind our own business those unforunate people really need someones help. they need more troops to help save their people. If there is any information that I should know about this issue n much id like it if whom ever readingthis would drop on by n let me know because I like to be in the know about things such as this.

save Darfur!!!

if anyone is really pasionate about this there is a protest in DC on April 30th and if u go to the save dafur coalition's website you can register for it!

Gravedigging seems especially innappropriate with this topic.

I really couldn't give a shit. Please, tell me why I should care at all.

Hell, no one cares about what's happening in the DRC, either. Deadliest conflict since WWII...3+ million dead... :(