NationStates Jolt Archive

lol, 11 years? Jesus thats a long strech. Wow, or wait, do you or do you not consider the Balkins to be part of Europe, because last time I checked, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, and Serbia were warring until 1995, in what was considered the bloodiest fighting since WWII. But yeah, great stretch...or are the Balkans just not important enough to be included in your "Europe"?:rolleyes:

Actually, there was fighting in Kosovo through '98. And Albania only recently stopped being at war with itself....

To be fair, I think he/she simply means Europe in the context of the EU. Most of the Balkans are on their way to entering the EU, but this will take time.

And alot of money, although if pulled off, would lead to a better, safer Europe.

However, if I was a European, which I'm not so I admit my views on this dont matter, I wouldnt want the Balkans to be part of the EU, I think they will just bring it down, and it has enough problems without the Balkans.

And alot of money, although if pulled off, would lead to a better, safer Europe.

However, if I was a European, which I'm not so I admit my views on this dont matter, I wouldnt want the Balkans to be part of the EU, I think they will just bring it down, and it has enough problems without the Balkans.
Nah, they have a good amount of resources, will offer cheap labour for the time being (until their economies go up) and the EU's status as a supranation will eventually resolve their conflicting ideas of nationhood, making it easier for nations to secede whilst remaining economically viable. It should solve their poverty problems. Definitely a step in the right direction. Yes though, it will take money, time and effort. In the long term it will bring great benefits.

Name me one nation that is 100% noble in everything it does. In fact, name me on person that is 100% noble in everything he does. Not even Moses was 100%.

My point is, that while we may not be totally noble in everything we do, we are the most noble in our causes in most everything we do.
Nobody claims their country is 100% noble. The difference is that we know that our countries are willing to make deals with the most dispicable regimes for political expediency. And I don't think your country is even noble in most things you do. Your country has always been willing to support regimes that murder and torture their own people, same as any other country. You're no different to the rest of us.

Nobody claims their country is 100% noble. The difference is that we know that our countries are willing to make deals with the most dispicable regimes for political expediency. And I don't think your country is even noble in most things you do. Your country has always been willing to support regimes that murder and torture their own people, same as any other country. You're no different to the rest of us.

And since your not an American, I would except you to think it no other way.

My point is, that while we may not be totally noble in everything we do, we are the most noble in our causes in most everything we do.
But you aren't. That's the point!

I can tell you one nation that does adhere to principles a lot more than America does. In fact, I can name a dozen, but I'll just start off with Sweden. Germany perhaps, Japan of course...Spain comes to mind, and Brazil.
Oh, and Iran. Iran adheres to the principles it set out at the time of its Revolution. The US certainly doesn't, regardless of whether you ask a Socialist, a Libertarian or a guy tortured in an Uzbek prison. Or all the people who thought their vote mattered in Azerbaidjan.

The US has a notorious and deserved reputation for bending the rules and principles when it comes to foreign policy. You're living in a dream world in which any evidence contrary to your idea is pushed aside as "leftist propaganda".
http://www.swans.com/library/art6/zig055.html

And since your not an American, I would except you to think it no other way.
My nationality has nothing to do with it. I'm British, but that doesn't mean I have to wear rose tinted specs when looking at my country. I realise that my country's government isn't interested in democracy, human rights or fighting poverty. They're only interested in their own personal power and in catering for the international financiers and special interests that put them in power. The US is certainly no different.

Germany perhaps, Japan of course...

Not that I don't largely agree with you, but... Japan is no shining paragon of virtue, either. Every nation does what the US does and the US does what every other nation does.

And since your not an American, I would except you to think it no other way.

I'm an American and my thought patterns run similarly to his/hers.

Not that I don't largely agree with you, but... Japan is no shining paragon of virtue, either. Every nation does what the US does and the US does what every other nation does.
I'll grant you Japan because of the whaling issue. Other than that, it is commited to the idea of peaceful coexistence.

There are some countries which have genuinely abandonded the idea of "we against the rest".

Not that I don't largely agree with you, but... Japan is no shining paragon of virtue, either. Every nation does what the US does and the US does what every other nation does.
Japan is very much into strict codes of conduct. Every nation does what the US does, but to differing degrees.

I'll grant you Japan because of the whaling issue. Other than that, it is commited to the idea of peaceful coexistence.

There are some countries which have genuinely abandonded the idea of "we against the rest".
I admire a nation more when it sticks to its goals and intents than merely if it commits itself to peace. Duplicity is rampant nowadays.

I'll grant you Japan because of the whaling issue. Other than that, it is commited to the idea of peaceful coexistence.

There are some countries which have genuinely abandonded the idea of "we against the rest".

Peaceful coexistence? With other nations, yes. With their non-Japanese (and non-American) domestic neighbors (Ainu, Koreans), no.

And I forgot their justice system: No jury, and the government can hold you for as long as it wants to before you go to trial in prisons that, according to Amnesty Internat'l (take it for what you will) are little better than those they had under the Tokugawa Shogunate.

Japan is very much into strict codes of conduct. Every nation does what the US does, but to differing degrees.

Differing degrees according to their ability to get away with it.

Differing degrees according to their ability to get away with it.
When humans turn into altruists, then that'll eclipse.

When humans turn into altruists, then that'll eclipse.

I'm sorry, but what are we arguing about here?

I'm sorry, but what are we arguing about here?
What I mean is its pointless to expect nations to act otherwise.

What I mean is its pointless to expect nations to act otherwise.

And I concur.

And I concur.
Ah, okay then. Which leads me to wonder, why do so many people fall for US propaganda that it's "the champion of freedom and democracy?" As if it is above other nations in this respect.

Ah, okay then. Which leads me to wonder, why do so many people fall for US propaganda that it's "the champion of freedom and democracy?" As if it is above other nations in this respect.

The Wizards' First Rule: "People are dumb."

The Wizards' First Rule: "People are dumb."
Agreed.

Ah, okay then. Which leads me to wonder, why do so many people fall for US propaganda that it's "the champion of freedom and democracy?" As if it is above other nations in this respect.

fellow Virgo, i know what you mean. however, try living in an un-free country for a while. i did and i'll tell you what.. i kissed the ground when i got back to this place. yeah, it sucks and it's getting suckier.. but it is free, and it is at least slightly democratic. and people wear deodorant. ;)

Vegetarianistica']fellow Virgo, i know what you mean. however, try living in an un-free country for a while. i did and i'll tell you what.. i kissed the ground when i got back to this place. yeah, it sucks and it's getting suckier.. but it is free, and it is at least slightly democratic. and people wear deodorant. ;)
As I said, everything is relative :p

Are you not proud to be British?


Not really, it's just not that important to me.