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It seems that there's scientific proof that political bias actually shuts down sections of the brain that are responsible for reasoning. That would explain why people on this board, me included, can look at a well reasoned, logical, and well supported argument from the other side and still not change their mind. Our minds are wired to block out the opposing viewpoint.

I've got a feeling that if we make an effort we can override these mental blocks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11009379/

Ya. It's called being stubborn :rolleyes:

Well this would explain a lot. Does the same hold true for religious, scientific and other types of arguements as well?

Well this would explain a lot. Does the same hold true for religious, scientific and other types of arguements as well?
I would assume so.

Well this would explain a lot. Does the same hold true for religious, scientific and other types of arguements as well?

I think so. For instance, I am at odds with my daughter's teacher at her new school. She is a first year teacher and doesnt have a lot of experience with the usual antics of Elementary students. She and I argue over what constitutes "tattle tailing" and she refuses to acknowledge I have a legitimate argument. My daughter has only been in school for 2 weeks and another child has threatened to "punch her in the face" twice. I instructed her to tell the teacher, but the teacher says thats "tattling" and reprimanded my daughter for telling, while not addressing the offending child at all. I say that its ok to tell if another person is harming her or another student or threatening to harm her or another student. Should she tell on another person if they are chewing the tops of the pencil erasers off and spitting them in the floor?.....probably not. But my point to the teacher is that if she labels a child as a tattle tail, it sends the message to a child that they will be perceived as a tattler and disliked if they alert a teacher to threats, thus discouraging them from alerting when someone is being hurt.
The teacher says tattling is tattling. So while I feel my argument is valid, she thinks not.

So yeah I think it probably applies to most arguments.

I think so. For instance, I am at odds with my daughter's teacher at her new school. She is a first year teacher and doesnt have a lot of experience with the usual antics of Elementary students. She and I argue over what constitutes "tattle tailing" and she refuses to acknowledge I have a legitimate argument. My daughter has only been in school for 2 weeks and another child has threatened to "punch her in the face" twice. I instructed her to tell the teacher, but the teacher says thats "tattling" and reprimanded my daughter for telling, while not addressing the offending child at all. I say that its ok to tell if another person is harming her or another student or threatening to harm her or another student. Should she tell on another person if they are chewing the tops of the pencil erasers off and spitting them in the floor?.....probably not. But my point to the teacher is that if she labels a child as a tattle tail, it sends the message to a child that they will be perceived as a tattler and disliked if they alert a teacher to threats, thus discouraging them from alerting when someone is being hurt.
The teacher says tattling is tattling. So while I feel my argument is valid, she thinks not.

So yeah I think it probably applies to most arguments.
First year teacher or not, she is a moron.

First year teacher or not, she is a moron.

Got that right. Most of my teachers when I went to public school were similar. They were a lot worse in other ways, though, but let's not get into that...

I think so. For instance, I am at odds with my daughter's teacher at her new school. She is a first year teacher and doesnt have a lot of experience with the usual antics of Elementary students. She and I argue over what constitutes "tattle tailing" and she refuses to acknowledge I have a legitimate argument. My daughter has only been in school for 2 weeks and another child has threatened to "punch her in the face" twice. I instructed her to tell the teacher, but the teacher says thats "tattling" and reprimanded my daughter for telling, while not addressing the offending child at all. I say that its ok to tell if another person is harming her or another student or threatening to harm her or another student. Should she tell on another person if they are chewing the tops of the pencil erasers off and spitting them in the floor?.....probably not. But my point to the teacher is that if she labels a child as a tattle tail, it sends the message to a child that they will be perceived as a tattler and disliked if they alert a teacher to threats, thus discouraging them from alerting when someone is being hurt.
The teacher says tattling is tattling. So while I feel my argument is valid, she thinks not.

So yeah I think it probably applies to most arguments.

Without shunting this thread too far into derailment country i'd just like to ask: does she have any semblance of logic to her at all? A tatler is what a kid calls another kid because they're mad that they got punished for doing comething wrong, a teacher cant call a kid a tatler because the teachers are supposed to help the kids when they get threatened. Damn thats stupid.

Without shunting this thread too far into derailment country i'd just like to ask: does she have any semblance of logic to her at all? A tatler is what a kid calls another kid because they're mad that they got punished for doing comething wrong, a teacher cant call a kid a tatler because the teachers are supposed to help the kids when they get threatened. Damn thats stupid.
Maybe she just thinks kids should settle their disputes on their own. They have a number of culturally accepted stratagies available to them from constant bullying to fighting all the way up to school shootings. Using those strageties at an early age probably leads to fewer lawsuits when the kids grow up to be adults since they don't always go looking to authority figures to solve their problems for them.

Without shunting this thread too far into derailment country i'd just like to ask: does she have any semblance of logic to her at all? A tatler is what a kid calls another kid because they're mad that they got punished for doing comething wrong, a teacher cant call a kid a tatler because the teachers are supposed to help the kids when they get threatened. Damn thats stupid.


Well the principal agreed with my comments and concerns and he was the one who said "well ....she's just a 1st year teacher." :rolleyes: Its just a matter of common sense I think. Doesnt require any special training I hope.

It seems that there's scientific proof that political bias actually shuts down sections of the brain that are responsible for reasoning. That would explain why people on this board, me included, can look at a well reasoned, logical, and well supported argument from the other side and still not change their mind. Our minds are wired to block out the opposing viewpoint.

I've got a feeling that if we make an effort we can override these mental blocks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11009379/
IGNORED!!! :D :p :p

That is why I try to cultivate the habit of trying to see the other person's viewpoint. It won't change my beliefs, but at times, it does cause me to bow out and avoid certain topics.

IGNORED!!! :D :p :p

That is why I try to cultivate the habit of trying to see the other person's viewpoint. It won't change my beliefs, but at times, it does cause me to bow out and avoid certain topics.
Same here, but I'm not always successful.

Maybe she just thinks kids should settle their disputes on their own. They have a number of culturally accepted stratagies available to them from constant bullying to fighting all the way up to school shootings. Using those strageties at an early age probably leads to fewer lawsuits when the kids grow up to be adults since they don't always go looking to authority figures to solve their problems for them.

Yeah but she made it seem like Reagan was at fault for alerting her that someone was threatening her verbally and putting her fist in her face (more than once). If its left in the hands of 6 and 7 year olds to handle violence, then they may just end up duking it out. Then the kids get suspended for hitting and get the message that "well why tell an adult ....i should just kick the shit out of this smart ass kid and go back to eating my choclate pudding."

Plus what if someone touches a child in a sexual manner? If the teachers make them feel like theyve done something wrong by telling on another child for hitting or threatening, then they may feel like its not ok to tell if someone touches them sexually.


I agree DC,that there are many situations that children should try and work out for themselves. Just not at this age and not this subject.

Pardon me for butting in here, but you might want to talk the teachers supervisor. The child who threatens to punch someone in the face is bulling and that kind of behavior only gets worse if not addressed. Some schools have plans in place on what to do if they notice this in students. It is a serious issue and will not get better if ignored. If this school does not have a course of action to take they need to develop one.

I think so. For instance, I am at odds with my daughter's teacher at her new school. She is a first year teacher and doesnt have a lot of experience with the usual antics of Elementary students. She and I argue over what constitutes "tattle tailing" and she refuses to acknowledge I have a legitimate argument. My daughter has only been in school for 2 weeks and another child has threatened to "punch her in the face" twice. I instructed her to tell the teacher, but the teacher says thats "tattling" and reprimanded my daughter for telling, while not addressing the offending child at all. I say that its ok to tell if another person is harming her or another student or threatening to harm her or another student. Should she tell on another person if they are chewing the tops of the pencil erasers off and spitting them in the floor?.....probably not. But my point to the teacher is that if she labels a child as a tattle tail, it sends the message to a child that they will be perceived as a tattler and disliked if they alert a teacher to threats, thus discouraging them from alerting when someone is being hurt.
The teacher says tattling is tattling. So while I feel my argument is valid, she thinks not.

So yeah I think it probably applies to most arguments.

It seems that there's scientific proof that political bias actually shuts down sections of the brain that are responsible for reasoning. That would explain why people on this board, me included, can look at a well reasoned, logical, and well supported argument from the other side and still not change their mind. Our minds are wired to block out the opposing viewpoint.

I've got a feeling that if we make an effort we can override these mental blocks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11009379/


Sounds like the definition of politics to me.

Yeah but she made it seem like Reagan was at fault for alerting her that someone was threatening her verbally and putting her fist in her face (more than once). If its left in the hands of 6 and 7 year olds to handle violence, then they may just end up duking it out. Then the kids get suspended for hitting and get the message that "well why tell an adult ....i should just kick the shit out of this smart ass kid and go back to eating my choclate pudding."

Plus what if someone touches a child in a sexual manner? If the teachers make them feel like theyve done something wrong by telling on another child for hitting or threatening, then they may feel like its not ok to tell if someone touches them sexually.


I agree DC,that there are many situations that children should try and work out for themselves. Just not at this age and not this subject.
I agree with you. I was just being, I don't know, sarcastic or something. I don't actually advocate school shootings as a good way for kids to solve their problems.

I agree with you. I was just being, I don't know, sarcastic or something. I don't actually advocate school shootings as a good way for kids to solve their problems.


Oh and I didnt mean to hijack your thread. The link you posted just made me think, "hmm.....maybe this teacher and I are disagreeing because of this very thing."




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