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Alright, I saw a South Park episode regarding this "Scientology." I typed it in on google and wow, it's an actual religion.

http://www.scientology.com

According to what I've found out, Scientology was created by a Science Fiction writer and he made some complete BS religion and people are actually believing it!

Tell me what you guys think.

I agree, Scientology is a bullshit scam. It's a global scam just like the South Park Espisode said it was.

Well if you belive Tom they have technology that cures Dyslexia and proves there is no such thing as depression as it is solved by simple exercise.

Someday they might tell you were Hubbard is buried. ;)

It was started as a bet. The leaders brainwash people with various methods of hypnosis and empty their wallets at the same time. And, by the way, you actually can hypnotize people, it isn't magic, and it isn't even particularly hard. One easy one is to have 2 people stare at eachother in the eyes for a couple hours, no speaking, moving, eating, and minimal blinking. From what I hear it works quite well.

Though, Scientology, I believe, counts as a cult, not a religion, even though religions are merely big cults.

Most religions scam people in to believing them so they can start wars and persecute people, scientology only takes their money. And sues people. Scientologists sue like hell. They tried to sue my dad for some random thing he said, believe it or not.




(I was just kidding about the religion thing, btw)

It was started as a bet. The leaders brainwash people with various methods of hypnosis and empty their wallets at the same time. And, by the way, you actually can hypnotize people, it isn't magic, and it isn't even particularly hard. One easy one is to have 2 people stare at eachother in the eyes for a couple hours, no speaking, moving, eating, and minimal blinking. From what I hear it works quite well.

Though, Scientology, I believe, counts as a cult, not a religion, even though religions are merely big cults.

Most religions scam people in to believing them so they can start wars and persecute people, scientology only takes their money. And sues people. Scientologists sue like hell. They tried to sue my dad for some random thing he said, believe it or not.




(I was just kidding about the religion thing, btw)

Man, what did your dad say that caused him to be sued by these freaks?

Amazing that people actually buy into this though. :rolleyes:

Man, what did your dad say that caused him to be sued by these freaks?

I wouldn't say that they're freaks, I'd just say that they're normal people who got caught up and brainwashed by clever, if fairly evil people.


And he just said various things against scientology, like I did just then. He knows a lot more about the cult than I do, and he speaks against it way more than I have as well.


Plus we have a shirt which on the front says "Scientology Kills" and on the back says...


OT III
The head of the Galactic Confederation
(76 planets arpund larger stars visible
from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago,
very space opera) solved overpopulation
(250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion
on average) by mass implanting. He caused
people to be grought to Teegeeack (Earth)
and put an H Bomb on the principal
volcanoes (Incident 2) and then the Pacific
area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii
and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas
and there "packaged". His name was Xenu.
He used renegades. Various Misleading
data by means of circuits etc. was placed
in the implants. When through with his
crime Loyal Officers (to the people)
captured him after 6 years of battle and
put him in an electronic mountain trap
where he still is. "They" are gone. The
place (Confed.) has since been a desert.

AS IT WAS WRITTEN BY L. RON HUBBARD
THE CORE BELIEF OF SCIENTOLOGY
QUOTED WITHIN FAIR USE

Death To L. Ron Hoover And The Appliantologist Pinks

Oh, and I saved all of you thousands of dollars and a lot of time with my last post. Give me atleast 100 dollars for the money you've saved.

But Scientology gives you powers. UNLIMITED POWERS.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8530918890580805143

But Scientology gives you powers. UNLIMITED POWERS.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8530918890580805143

It's better in a flash loop.

Alright, I saw a South Park episode regarding this "Scientology." I typed it in on google and wow, it's an actual religion.

http://www.scientology.com

According to what I've found out, Scientology was created by a Science Fiction writer and he made some complete BS religion and people are actually believing it!

Tell me what you guys think.

It's a cult.

But Scientology gives you powers. UNLIMITED POWERS.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8530918890580805143

That was AWESOME!

It was started as a bet.

The whole "scientology was a bar bet between Hubbard and (insert name of random 1950/60s SF writer) is almost certainly an urban legend. This is partly evidenced by the wide variation on who the best was supposedly made with - a short list of supposed betters includes Clarke, Heinlein, Ellison, and Campbell, among others. Such variation is one of the key indications that a story is an urban legend.

There does seem to be some indication that Hubbard may have gotten the idea from a conversation with other SF writers, but this isn't well substantiated.

"Yeah, fuck L Ron Hubbard and fuck all his clones." -- Maynard James Keenan.

Alright, I saw a South Park episode regarding this "Scientology." I typed it in on google and wow, it's an actual religion.

http://www.scientology.com

According to what I've found out, Scientology was created by a Science Fiction writer and he made some complete BS religion and people are actually believing it!

Tell me what you guys think.

Have you gotten to the Xenu story yet? That's good fun.

The origins, as I understand them, appear to have been as a secular "self help" cult (along similar lines as EST and NLP), and morphed into a religion to avoid tax evasion charges. Dianetics was published well before the Co$ came into being.

I wonder if L Ron Hubbard actually wanted Sciencetology to become a cult. I refuse to call it a religion because it's not a religion. It's a cult.

I wonder when they'll do the kool-aid? Too many people have been asking why Bill O'Reilly calls many stereotypical liberals kool-aid drinkers. We need the kool-aid thing to help end the questioning.

I wonder when they'll do the kool-aid? Too many people have been asking why Bill O'Reilly calls many stereotypical liberals kool-aid drinkers. We need the kool-aid thing to help end the questioning.

I never understood the kool-aid refrence either. Hmmm....

I never understood the kool-aid refrence either. Hmmm....

There's not a problem in the world a little Jim Jones Juice will not cure.

I wonder if L Ron Hubbard actually wanted Sciencetology to become a cult. I refuse to call it a religion because it's not a religion. It's a cult.

I don't think so. The evidence seems to point to his having made it up as he went along (that's pretty well documented by now for the Xenu story, I understand). He may have had the idea earlier, but it was only after the IRS got on him and that he seemed to realise that declaring it a religion was a good tax scam.

Either way, the one sure thing about how it all got started was that he was in it for the money first and the fame second.

And as for calling it a cult and not a religion, might I suggest religious cult as a more accurate term? Remember not all cults are religious by nature. Take my two earlier examples - EST and NLP. Neither are religious in nature, but both are cults.

I never understood the kool-aid refrence either. Hmmm....
It's in reference to the cult who believed that the HaleBop comet that came close to the earth actually had a Spaceship following it, and that the Aliens were our actual creators. They believed that if they killed themselves as the comet passed, their souls would float up into the spaceship to be with the aliens.

Oreilly uses it as a reference to dumbass people who will believe whatever is told to them by whomever.

There's not a problem in the world a little Jim Jones Juice will not cure.


Remember there's lotsa younger posters here who are too young to remember what went on in Guyana. (Like Man in Black, who associates it with Heaven's gate, instead of the People's Temple.)

Interesting note: In the Jim Jones case, it was actually not Kool Aid, but Flavor Aid. Kool Aid is just better known (at least in the US). The flavor used was grape.

It's in reference to the cult who believed that the HaleBop comet that came close to the earth actually had a Spaceship following it, and that the Aliens were our actual creators. They believed that if they killed themselves as the comet passed, their souls would float up into the spaceship to be with the aliens.

Oreilly uses it as a reference to dumbass people who will believe whatever is told to them by whomever.


Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up.

It's in reference to the cult who believed that the HaleBop comet that came close to the earth actually had a Spaceship following it, and that the Aliens were our actual creators. They believed that if they killed themselves as the comet passed, their souls would float up into the spaceship to be with the aliens.

Oreilly uses it as a reference to dumbass people who will believe whatever is told to them by whomever.

The People's Temple were the Kool Aid folks, not Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate used applesauce.

(Arrgghhh! My silly fingers keep mistyping that as "heavan's"! :mad:)

The People's Temple were the Kool Aid folks, not Heaven's Gate. Heaven's Gate used applesauce.

(Arrgghhh! My silly fingers keep mistyping that as "heavan's"! :mad:)
By george, your RIGHT! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple) Thanks! ;)

Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up.

That may have the first reply, but it was wrong.
It was the People's Temple, a religious cult led by Jim Jones who were the one's who did the "Kool Aid" mass suicide. ;)

By goerge, your RIGHT! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Temple) Thanks! ;)

:D

Remember there's lotsa younger posters here who are too young to remember what went on in Guyana. (Like Man in Black, who associates it with Heaven's gate, instead of the People's Temple.)

Interesting note: In the Jim Jones case, it was actually not Kool Aid, but Flavor Aid. Kool Aid is just better known (at least in the US). The flavor used was grape.

All true of course, and yes I do tend to forget. I can't imagine why I would have assumed that the lessons learned in the needless deaths of over 900 people would have been something our educational system would have latched on to as a significant historical event.

On a serious note, there have been a number of suicides associated with Co$. Most were ex-members who'd given most or all of their money to the scam - Noah Lottick and Philip Gale for example. However, there have been reports that some members or ex-members have been ordered to commit "end of cycle". I don't have any confirmation of that, but it fits well into the workings of Co$, and especially their funny little jargon full of "potential trouble sources", "suppressive people", and so on.

I think we must organize a hostage retrieval team to liberate Katie Homes from Tom & the cult. We will need people to help de-brainwash her as well. Once this is accomplished I anticipate she will want to sleep with us (me first) in gratitude for being rescued.

Who's with me?!

All true of course, and yes I do tend to forget. I can't imagine why I would have assumed that the lessons learned in the needless deaths of over 900 people would have been something our educational system would have latched on to as a significant historical event.

It's hard being "old", ain't it? (And imagine trying to deal with an age and culture gap - like I did with my last serious GF, who was Japanese and 10 years younger.)

It's hard being "old", ain't it? (And imagine trying to deal with an age and culture gap - like I did with my last serious GF, who was Japanese and 10 years younger.)

Bah, it sounds as if you have an interesting and enjoyable challange. Hard? I will agree that it presents some adjustments when you least expect it, but to be honest, I wouldn't trade the wisdom and knowledge gained for anything on earth. Knowing the things I know now makes youth, not all it's cracked up to be.

All true of course, and yes I do tend to forget. I can't imagine why I would have assumed that the lessons learned in the needless deaths of over 900 people would have been something our educational system would have latched on to as a significant historical event.
Ha. Since when does our educational system give a damn about historical truth? Outside of a Geography class, I never heard the words "Nicaragua," "East Timor," or "Cambodia" (in school, that is) until I got to college.

Tom Cruise is fantastically portrayed in the South Park episode. Little bitch.
As for Scientology... Well meh. What a joke.

The-Republic']Ha. Since when does our educational system give a damn about historical truth? Outside of a Geography class, I never heard the words "Nicaragua," "East Timor," or "Cambodia" (in school, that is) until I got to college.

It all depends on your schools. Walker, Cornelius Vanderbilt and the filibusters were all part of my HS history course. As was Cambodia.

It all depends on your schools. Walker, Cornelius Vanderbilt and the filibusters were all part of my HS history course. As was Cambodia.
*grumbles jealously*

It all depends on your schools. Walker, Cornelius Vanderbilt and the filibusters were all part of my HS history course. As was Cambodia.

Ditto.....

I had to learn almost all of my 70's/80's history from Bloom County. Anyone ever read that? Opus 'n Bill? Truly a remarkable cartoon if I ever saw one. Only comic ever to rival "Dilbert" in my opinion.

/hijack

Bah, it sounds as if you have an interesting and enjoyable challange.

Had. And yes, it was, even when explaining "Where's the beef?" and other things that people take for granted. (>.<)

Hard? I will agree that it presents some adjustments when you least expect it, but to be honest, I wouldn't trade the wisdom and knowledge gained for anything on earth. Knowing the things I know now makes youth, not all it's cracked up to be.

True indeed. (The last one taught me the wisdom of not chasing younger women, as well as. ;))

The-Republic']Ha. Since when does our educational system give a damn about historical truth? Outside of a Geography class, I never heard the words "Nicaragua," "East Timor," or "Cambodia" (in school, that is) until I got to college.

I first started noticing industrial strength truth cleansing in the late 60's and early 70's however there is every possiblility that those older than me have a different perspective. There is however no substitue for having lived during the events that have been sanitized, in order to see how public education has declined. That said, now that teachers have to be qualified to do their job, I am hopeful that trend will reverse.

Alright, I saw a South Park episode regarding this "Scientology." I typed it in on google and wow, it's an actual religion.

http://www.scientology.com

According to what I've found out, Scientology was created by a Science Fiction writer and he made some complete BS religion and people are actually believing it!

Tell me what you guys think.

I agree 100%. It doesn't help when pretty much everyone who isn't Jewish in Hollywood is a Scientologist. I hope Tom Cruise has not converted Katie Holmes into a Scientologist.

The-Republic']I had to learn almost all of my 70's/80's history from Bloom County. Anyone ever read that? Opus 'n Bill? Truly a remarkable cartoon if I ever saw one. Only comic ever to rival "Dilbert" in my opinion.

/hijack

Oop Ack!

I agree 100%. It doesn't help when pretty much everyone who isn't Jewish in Hollywood is a Scientologist. I hope Tom Cruise has not converted Katie Holmes into a Scientologist.

It's too late for that. One of the few things all cults have in common is the total isolation from outside influences. They require their victims to be "supported" by the group at all times. If she were not receptive and "like minded", it would never be allowed.

The-Republic']I had to learn almost all of my 70's/80's history from Bloom County. Anyone ever read that? Opus 'n Bill? Truly a remarkable cartoon if I ever saw one. Only comic ever to rival "Dilbert" in my opinion.

/hijack

I grew up on that. Good stuff, but for history? Iffy.

I still have a copy of the Billy and the Boingers "bootleg" record that came with the book, but I think I lost my "Don't Blaim Me, I voted for Bill and Opus" T-shirt somewhere along the way.

I first started noticing industrial strength truth cleansing in the late 60's and early 70's however there is every possiblility that those older than me have a different perspective. There is however no substitue for having lived during the events that have been sanitized, in order to see how public education has declined. That said, now that teachers have to be qualified to do their job, I am hopeful that trend will reverse.

I have been thinking about returning to the US and teaching. And since history and government are two likely subjects, it'd be interesting to see what's covered and what's cut.

I grew up on that. Good stuff, but for history? Iffy.

I still have a copy of the Billy and the Boingers "bootleg" record that came with the book, but I think I lost my "Don't Blaim Me, I voted for Bill and Opus" T-shirt somewhere along the way.
Iffy definitely, but good for a kid who's been fed nothing but patriotic slogans his entire life. Give me a Bloom County book and an internet connection to fact-check stuff and I'm set.

The-Republic']Iffy definitely, but good for a kid who's been fed nothing but patriotic slogans his entire life. Give me a Bloom County book and an internet connection to fact-check stuff and I'm set.

You should know that B. Breathed's historical scholarship is less gifted than his social commentary.

For instance, Bruce Springsteen was never elected president, Donald Trump did not have his brain transplanted into a cat, and Oliver Wendell Jones discovered hypertranspatial teleportation in 1987, not 1985.

I have been thinking about returning to the US and teaching. And since history and government are two likely subjects, it'd be interesting to see what's covered and what's cut.

Well, maybe I can help with that. My daughter is a new teacher. Maybe she can provide some insight as to what texts are considered current, or an idea as to the new curriculum. I understand it has changed dramatically in the last couple years almost everywhere. Somehow, I still get the feeling that you could fill volumes with what they don't tell them though.

You should know that B. Breathed's historical scholarship is less gifted than his social commentary.

For instance, Bruce Springsteen was never elected president, Donald Trump did not have his brain transplanted into a cat, and Oliver Wendell Jones discovered hypertranspatial teleportation in 1987, not 1985.

Ha! I like you. It's been a long time since I laughed till I cried. Thanks!

This about sums it up for me about Tom Cruise:
http://tomcruisetherapy.ytmnd.com/

YTMD, making it so you don't have to explain anything

This about sums it up for me about Tom Cruise:
http://tomcruisetherapy.ytmnd.com/

YTMD, making it so you don't have to explain anything

It was all downhill after Risky Business for Cruise Control.

You should know that B. Breathed's historical scholarship is less gifted than his social commentary.

For instance, Bruce Springsteen was never elected president, Donald Trump did not have his brain transplanted into a cat, and Oliver Wendell Jones discovered hypertranspatial teleportation in 1987, not 1985.
Haha! That's friggin' hilarious! Well said.

This about sums it up for me about Tom Cruise:
http://tomcruisetherapy.ytmnd.com/

YTMD, making it so you don't have to explain anything

dude, his eyes get wicked evil looking in that thing! TOM CRUISE IS THE ANTICHRIST!

I'm gonna have nightmares. If I ever get my paper done in time for sleep that is.:headbang:

I wonder if L Ron Hubbard actually wanted Sciencetology to become a cult. I refuse to call it a religion because it's not a religion. It's a cult.
Yes, he did. Establishing himself as a religious leader exonerated from having to pay taxes and made it easier for him to fuck his cult member's children.

I want to pretty much say what most others have said.

Scientology is a freaky cult that helps celebrities to avoid paying taxes.

Which relationship is/was stranger:
-Angelina/Billy Bob
-Tom & Katie

I want to pretty much say what most others have said.

Scientology is a freaky cult that helps celebrities to avoid paying taxes.

Which relationship is/was stranger:
-Angelina/Billy Bob
-Tom & Katie
Billy Bob and Mrs. Brad Pitt are no longer together, so I am going to go with Cruise Control and Katie

Yes, he did. Establishing himself as a religious leader exonerated from having to pay taxes and made it easier for him to fuck his cult member's children.

As I said before, Dianetics was around long before Co$, and he was making up BS as he went along, so it's much more likely that he didn't start out with the goal of building a religious cult, but turned it into one when the IRS got on his case.

You're better off sending your thirty bucks to Bob. Sure, Stang'll probably just gamble it all away, but at least you know where it's going.

Yes, he did. Establishing himself as a religious leader exonerated from having to pay taxes and made it easier for him to fuck his cult member's children.

On the taxes part.

Scientology didn't get the tax exempt status until the leaders told the cult that each member had to file a lawsuit against the IRS for a variety of reasons (so the different cases wouldn't be consolidated into one).
Then they requested a meeting (at around 3000 filed lawsuits) with the top of the IRS. They got their tax exempt due to being a religion status soon after that and dropped all the lawsuits.

Not a strange tactic on behalf of Scientology. In regards with critism on/enemies of the cult the motto seems to be sue early, sue hard, sue often. Until the advent of the internet and people could and would replicate the material that offended the cult faster then it could squash sites showing the offending material (and in the cases where the sites were non US they usually couldn't use the threat of an expensive lawsuit as a threat either).

P.s. For fun look up "operation snow white"

As I said before, Dianetics was around long before Co$, and he was making up BS as he went along, so it's much more likely that he didn't start out with the goal of building a religious cult, but turned it into one when the IRS got on his case.
By most accounts, the Dianetics self help nonsense was dreamed up as a framework for a religion, and Hubbard just waited until he'd published a fair bit of his material before deciding to declare it as such. Suing the IRS was mostly because the US government was reluctant to recognise his organisation as a religion without coercion.

But scientology gave Tom Cruise the power to kill Oprah! :eek:

Just wait `till Chuck finds out.