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Google agrees to China censorship

Aryavartha
25-01-2006, 04:22
Well..so much for "free information leading to free thoughts leading to freedom in China" theories...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/01/24/google.china.ap/index.html
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Online search engine leader Google Inc. has agreed to censor its results in China, adhering to the country's free-speech restrictions in return for better access in the Internet's fastest growing market.

The Mountain View, Calif.-based company planned to roll out a new version of its search engine bearing China's Web suffix ".cn," on Wednesday. A Chinese-language version of Google's search engine has previously been available through the company's dot-com address in the United States.

By creating a unique address for China, Google hopes to make its search engine more widely available and easier to use in the world's most populous country.

Because of government barriers set up to suppress information, Google's China users previously have been blocked from using the search engine or encountered lengthy delays in response time.

The service troubles have frustrated many Chinese users, hobbling Google's efforts to expand its market share in a country that expected to emerge as an Internet gold mine over the next decade.

China already has more than 100 million Web surfers and the audience is expected to swell substantially -- an alluring prospect for Google as it tries to boost its already rapidly rising profits.

Baidu.com Inc., a Beijing-based company in which Google owns a 2.6 percent stake, currently runs China's most popular search engine. But a recent Keynote Systems survey of China's Internet preferences concluded that Baidu remains vulnerable to challenges from Google and Yahoo Inc.

To obtain the Chinese license, Google agreed to omit Web content that the country's government finds objectionable. Google will base its censorship decisons on guidance provided by Chinese government officials.

Although China has loosened some of its controls in recent years, some topics, such as Taiwan's independence and 1989's Tiananmen Square massacre, remain forbidden subjects.

Google officials characterized the censorship concessions in China as an excruciating decision for a company that adopted "don't be evil" as a motto. But management believes it's a worthwhile sacrifice.

"We firmly believe, with our culture of innovation, Google can make meaningful and positive contributions to the already impressive pace of development in China," said Andrew McLaughlin, Google's senior policy counsel.

Google's decision rankled Reporters Without Borders, a media watchdog group that has sharply criticized Internet companies including Yahoo and Microsoft Corp.'s MSN.com for submitting to China's censorship regime.

"This is a real shame," said Julien Pain, head of Reporters Without Borders' Internet desk. "When a search engine collaborates with the government like this, it makes it much easier for the Chinese government to control what is being said on the Internet."

When Google censors results in China, it intends to post notifications alerting users that some content has been removed -- to comply with local laws. The company provides similar alerts in Germany and France when, to comply with national laws, it censors results to remove references to Nazi paraphernalia.

Google is cooperating with China's government at the same time it is battling the U.S. government over a subpoena seeking a breakdown of one week's worth of search requests - a list that would cover millions of terms.

Reflecting its uneasy alliance with the Chinese government, Google isn't releasing all its services.

Neither Google's e-mail nor blogging services will be offered in China because the company doesn't want to risk being ordered by the government to turn over anyone's personal information. The e-mail service, called Gmail, creates a huge database of users' messages and makes them instantly searchable. The blogging services contain a wide range of personal background.

Yahoo came under fire last year after it provided the government with the e-mail account information of a Chinese journalist who was later convicted for violating state secrecy laws.

Initially, Google's Chinese service will be limited to searching Web pages and images. The company also will provide local search results and a special edition of its news service that will be confined to government-sanctioned media.
Jenrak
25-01-2006, 04:30
Meh.
Liverbreath
25-01-2006, 05:35
No surprise there. Google has become pretty much useless for finding information other than ads or paid placements anyway. It stands to reason they would jump on the chance to weed out real information.
Free Mercantile States
25-01-2006, 05:42
This brought my opinion of Google down several notches. Since it was very very high to begin with, (Google is the god of the Internet; all websites are born of matings between it and Wikipedia) my rating of it is still good, and the bad points are mainly as a business, rather than a search engine, but I still confess myself significantly disappointed in one of my favorite companies.
Hiberniae
25-01-2006, 05:45
Well the US government is trying to force it to give up who searches for what. They are refusing and resisting. Maybe starting dealings with China is a way to ensure survival if the US goes hostile on it.
M3rcenaries
25-01-2006, 05:53
Well lets not be too down on Google, they said No! to giving over searches to government to see about porn, while MSN and Yahoo both said yes.
Free Mercantile States
25-01-2006, 05:54
That, on the other hand, brought up my opinion of Google significantly. So I suppose the two cancel out.
Novoga
25-01-2006, 05:58
Well lets not be too down on Google, they said No! to giving over searches to government to see about porn, while MSN and Yahoo both said yes.

So saying Yes to the US Government is bad while saying Yes to China is good?

What the US Government was asking for was no where near as bad as what Google has done for China
M3rcenaries
25-01-2006, 05:59
Yah I was happy when I read that this morning.
Yathura
25-01-2006, 07:10
Wow, this really makes me unhappy with Google. I can understand it from a business perspective, but many of us software engineers see Google as more than your average company. Our mistake.
Kanabia
25-01-2006, 07:21
I think one of the Google executives stated that they intend to push for these restrictions to be removed once they have had a chance to build up influence with the Chinese government.

Whether or not that is believable is a different matter.
Peisandros
25-01-2006, 07:21
Meh.
'Meh' seconded.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
25-01-2006, 07:27
So saying Yes to the US Government is bad while saying Yes to China is good?

What the US Government was asking for was no where near as bad as what Google has done for China

Oh really? I disagree. The internet is already censored in China. All Google will be doing is playing ball in order to enter the market. The more information available, even if it is sensored on some issues, is still a positive step.
On the other hand, the actions of the US government are in outright defiance of privacy laws in the US, and therefore Google was being loyal to it's US users by NOT caving to government pressure and breaking the law.
Andaras Prime
25-01-2006, 07:53
Is it impossible for anyone to even accept that different countries have different political views?
Straughn
25-01-2006, 08:44
Is it impossible for anyone to even accept that different countries have different political views?
On a forum like this you're pretty likely to encounter a broad swath of intolerance, especially the political type. And the opposite, which in itself is often goaded into intolerance of the first intolerant bunch.
One big happy community.
Muravyets
25-01-2006, 09:28
Oh really? I disagree. The internet is already censored in China. All Google will be doing is playing ball in order to enter the market. The more information available, even if it is sensored on some issues, is still a positive step.
On the other hand, the actions of the US government are in outright defiance of privacy laws in the US, and therefore Google was being loyal to it's US users by NOT caving to government pressure and breaking the law.
If you want to do business in a country, you have to abide by its laws, or else just not do business with them. Frankly, if it were me, I'd probably not do business with China, but if Google thinks they can help make changes there, well, whatever.

But what the US government was demanding was in violation of its own internal laws. You're completely right about that.

The search engines cooperating with censorship is bad, but I'm actually more worried about Microsoft and other companies who are working with China to develop the ability to track individual users. This goes way beyond censoring content, and it could even become a spying/national security issue, yet the US government does nothing to try to stop US companies from doing this for China. Gosh, I wonder why. Maybe someone at the NSA could tell me.
Moto the Wise
25-01-2006, 19:57
I think this is good. Remember that the chinese can still easily use the normal google site, but they also have this option of going on one where they can be sure that what they are doing is legal. Removes some of the worry from going on the internet, if you know you have little to know chance of coming across something that could get you in trouble.
Aryavartha
26-01-2006, 19:51
A search for "Tianenmen square" in google.com yields 1,840,000 results with all points of views

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tiananmen+square

whilst in google.cn it gives 13,100 with NO reference to the crackdown and massacre on the student rebels.

http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen+square&meta=cr%3DcountryCN

A picture search is even more telling.

here's a pic search on google.com

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=tiananmen%20square&sa=N&tab=wi

The first picture - a very famous one..btw, IIRC, the boy did not get rolled over by the tanks although it is popularly believed to be so.
http://www.rollins.edu/history/Web%20Pictures/Tiananmen%20Square%202.jpg

here's a pic search on google.cn
http://images.google.cn/images?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen%20square&cr=countryCN&sa=N&tab=wi

The first picture..
Mrs. Gutierrez at Tiananmen Square ...lollllzzzz...

http://www.usembassy-china.org.cn/fcs/secy_guitierrez_july_2005_visit_to_beijing/secy_mrs_tiananmen_square.jpg
Lienor
26-01-2006, 19:58
Anybody know any good search engines?
Novoga
27-01-2006, 01:40
No one has a problem with Google letting China rewrite history?