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*shakes head*


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Opinions please? I really need to know what other people think about this issue. Which also raises another issue.....what is your opinion about beastality? Is it moral to have sex with a creature that cannot consent?

This is kind of an old story.

I'm against beastiality because it's kinda disgusting. I can't come up with any better reason, but it's really gross.

That's... odd. I dunno, the way it's written it appears the horse was the one doing the work - so would it be immoral? :p That's one of those odd touchy issues that nobody touches cos it's odd.

Stupid actions have unpleasant consequences.

Stupid actions have unpleasant consequences.
Not always. When I was a kid once I jammed a stiff wire into the coin slot of a Centipede video game. Instead of getting shocked by hitting a hot wire I tripped something that caused all the coins to spill out. I tried again several times with other machines, but never got the same effect.

But what if it was a cute horse? You wouldn't have sex with a cute horse?

You know what? Frankly I am appalled to hear that there's sick, disgusting and twisted people out there who would have sex with animals. It is just plain wrong. The end result was definitely something he deserved. Now what the authorities must do is find out whether other animals are being used and possibly harmed and punish the people responsible for letting this monstrosity occur. :(

A person has the right to do with their property what they wish (as long as no harm comes to others in a nonconsensual manner), and that includes animals. However, all actions have consequences.

Two words - Darwin awards. Not only does he remove himself from the gene pool, he does it in a way resulting in post-mortum humiliation. That's just beautiful.

Feel really sorry for his parents and family.

Now what would make for an interesting story is a man having sex with a moose. I mean can you imagine, just the sheer logistics boggle my mind and they make me giggle with girlish glee. And its not like the man really died from something interesting either... a perforated colon... psh.. what a pussy way to go. This one gets a downgrade.

I saw the video.

**shudder**

Anyway, this news is over half a year old. No need to dig up old graves.

Why is a horse okay, but a sheep or goat not? (See the bottom of the page)

There's a video? Oh God help us all.

Now what would make for an interesting story is a man having sex with a moose. I mean can you imagine, just the sheer logistics boggle my mind and they make me giggle with girlish glee. And its not like the man really died from something interesting either... a perforated colon... psh.. what a pussy way to go. This one gets a downgrade.

*rofl* What would have been better is if he choked, in my humble opinion. And sex with a moose.....I cannot even begin to imagine.

Owe.....

I saw the video.

**shudder**

Anyway, this news is over half a year old. No need to dig up old graves.


Oh, but there is a need. Because I simply must know what everyone thinks. :D

Why is a horse okay, but a sheep or goat not? (See the bottom of the page)
Becuase a sheep and goat's thrusts couldn't rip through a man's body and their ding dongs aren't nearly two feet long.


I have the feeling a cloud of Doom is over this thread.

You know what? Frankly I am appalled to hear that there's sick, disgusting and twisted people out there who would have sex with animals. It is just plain wrong. The end result was definitely something he deserved. Now what the authorities must do is find out whether other animals are being used and possibly harmed and punish the people responsible for letting this monstrosity occur. :(

While I personally wouldn't fuck an animal I think in this case the animal itself was actually consenting to the sexings. People have been f'ing animals for thousands of years, and if they want to subject themselves to that well... its their business.

While I wouldn't think it would be right to fuck a female animal... especially one like a sheep where the animal would get hurt. But if a guy wants to fuck a horse or be fucked by one... hey... don't ask don't tell.

I'm just being neurtral and realistic on the subject. People have been doing it for a while now, and there isn't a human on this planet that could get injure a female horse or other large animal. OF course, by saying "don't ask, don't tell", especially when you're on the receiving end, you essentially are responsible when your intestines are scrambled. Your life is in your hands and if you want to die so a horse can get his jollies off... your choice.

hehe jollies... and I agree... as long as I dont have to see it, you know... by all means... I still think someone should fuck a moose however.

This thread rules.

Becuase a sheep and goat's thrusts couldn't rip through a man's body and their ding dongs aren't nearly two feet long.


What is the difference between Mick Jagger and a Scotsman?
Mick Jagger says, "Hey you, get off my cloud."
The scotsman sayd, "Hey McCloud, get off my ewe."

he he, ewe...

Should I be afraid that I met some peopel that actually knew him?

And it didn't actually happen in seattle, it happened in a small town outside of seattle in the country. It's a small town.

With that said, I live in Oregon, we are just to the south of Washington, and I went up to visit some friends several weeks after that happened.

But what if it was a cute horse? You wouldn't have sex with a cute horse?
I would and I have...But it wasnt weird, it was a female horse(Im not some kind of freak)

While I personally wouldn't fuck an animal I think in this case the animal itself was actually consenting to the sexings.

Actually, consent is the main problem I have with beastiality. I mean, thats not the only reason i wouldn't do it, but like you and some others said, its not my choice what other people do. But because the horse cannot talk it can't technically consent even if it is having sex.

It's kind of like having sex with someone underage. In that case, they may even say "I want to have sex with you" and proceed to do so, but under the law they don't have the ability to consent and so it's still rape. Since animals don't technically have the ability to consent, it's still rape in my book.

If animals somehow magically gained human like intelligence as well as speech, and they could consent, that would be a different issue. I still wouldn't do it, but like you said, whatever floats people's boats.

And lastly, may I just say that this is a weird topic lol.

I would and I have...But it wasnt weird, it was a female horse(Im not some kind of freak)
...I really hope you're joking. o_O

Actually, consent is the main problem I have with beastiality. I mean, thats not the only reason i wouldn't do it, but like you and some others said, its not my choice what other people do. But because the horse cannot talk it can't technically consent even if it is having sex.

It's kind of like having sex with someone underage. In that case, they may even say "I want to have sex with you" and proceed to do so, but under the law they don't have the ability to consent and so it's still rape. Since animals don't technically have the ability to consent, it's still rape in my book.

If animals somehow magically gained human like intelligence as well as speech, and they could consent, that would be a different issue. I still wouldn't do it, but like you said, whatever floats people's boats.

And lastly, may I just say that this is a weird topic lol.
Dolphins consent apparently. (http://www.sexwork.com/family/dolphins1.html)

...I really hope you're joking. o_O
relax, of course I am




it was a male horse.........

I would and I have...But it wasnt weird, it was a female horse(Im not some kind of freak)

I don't want to judge you, but you are a freak.

he died...damn that must've been one hell of a good horse:D

*shakes head*


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Opinions please? I really need to know what other people think about this issue. Which also raises another issue.....what is your opinion about beastality? Is it moral to have sex with a creature that cannot consent?
What i don't get is how this thread isn't locked but they locked the "Five Seals/antichrist" and the "Pet-eating" threads.
:confused:
Actually, the tumescence of the horse is a pretty clear indication that the horse is giving consent. I can also think of *plenty* of miniature dachshunds that imply their consent quite often with a throw pillow in front of company.

IMO, the subject of consent is rather a moot point. Animals are property, not legal beings. They are not human and do not have the rights that are reserved for humans. If they did, we it would probably be rather illegal to kill them and eat them. That being said, I am still opposed to cruelty to animals.

And if you really want consent, I would say that the fact that the animal doesn't bite or kick the crap out of the would-be lover pretty much qualifies.

As for the man in the story, well that was just stupid, and he paid for it. I still don't believe that bestiality should be illegal, however, as long as the animal isn't harmed.

If aHorse wants to suck your dick how is it not consenual.
If it wants to ram its cock up your arse whats the problem?
If you want to return the favour whats the harm?
*apart from dieing of course*:p

Although sex with animals is not illegal in Washington state, Urquhart said that investigators were looking into whether the farm, located in Enumclaw, 40 miles southeast of Seattle, allowed sex with smaller animals that resulted in animal cruelty, which is a crime.

“If you’re talking about sheep or goats, there could be some issues,” Urquhart said.

what the hell? I thought it was illegal everywhere....like a Federal law. Apparantly not. Its disgusting an unfair to the animals. If I had a farm and caught someone having sex with my animals, I'd beat the crap out of them.

what the hell? I thought it was illegal everywhere....like a Federal law. Apparantly not. Its disgusting an unfair to the animals. If I had a farm and caught someone having sex with my animals, I'd beat the crap out of them.

As would be your prerogative against someone violating (pardon the term) your property. If people do it with their own animals, however, then that is in turn their prerogative.

As would be your prerogative against someone violating (pardon the term) your property. If people do it with their own animals, however, then that is in turn their prerogative.

You are saying it is ok to have sex with animals simply because they are labeled as "property"? They are live beings, not a tractor or a fence. Let them have sex with a tractor if they want to molest their property.


would it be ok for them to have sex with their children as well?

You are saying it is ok to have sex with animals simply because they are labeled as "property"? They are live beings, not a tractor or a fence. Let them have sex with a tractor if they want to molest their property.


would it be ok for them to have sex with their children as well?

Children are humans, with human rights. Animals are animals. You buy them, use them for labor, eat them, and so on.

Would it be ok for people to buy and eat your children?

If not, stop comparing the two.

Children are humans, with human rights. Animals are animals. You buy them, use them for labor, eat them, and so on.

Would it be ok for people to buy and eat your children?

If not, stop comparing the two.


I still think its wrong and thats my opinion, which is what the thread originator asked for. Since you think it should be legal, I'm curious so I'll ask, would you or have you ever had sex with an animal?

Mr Ed must be sh*tting himself:D

I still think its wrong and thats my opinion, which is what the thread originator asked for. Since you think it should be legal, I'm curious so I'll ask, would you or have you ever had sex with an animal?

Me? No. Not because I find it all the abhorrent, but because I'd be too concerned with the risks of injury. Like I said before, if an animal *doesn't* want you doing that, you could get hurt in interesting ways. Or, you could end up like the guy in the story.

I appreciate that you have your opinion and respect it, though I have always been a fierce opponent to legislature based solely on opinion.

I still think its wrong and thats my opinion.
As is mine, but Cromotar makes a valid point. Human's are superior in that we have the power over most beings on this planet.. We have laws and those laws make the cattle nothing more then living-property with very few rights.

Me? No. Not because I find it all the abhorrent, but because I'd be too concerned with the risks of injury. Like I said before, if an animal *doesn't* want you doing that, you could get hurt in interesting ways. Or, you could end up like the guy in the story.

I appreciate that you have your opinion and respect it, though I have always been a fierce opponent to legislature based solely on opinion.

To each his own.

Just an interesting point no one seems to be noticing: Humans are animals.

If you are crazy enough to let a horse cram you in the can, you deserve whatever fate that leads you to.

Just an interesting point no one seems to be noticing: Humans are animals.

We notice. If you'll notice, we are using "Animals" as a term describing property. That property being living animals that do not have the evolved features that would enable superiority.

I read this story quite some time ago. But what I wonder most is:

Is the horse ok?

I would certainly HOPE it would have killed him. I'd be more concerned if he'd somehow survived.

I would certainly HOPE it would have killed him. I'd be more concerned if he'd somehow survived.

He'd be easy to spot: Look for the awkward walking man who can't hold his shit in anymore. :)

was the man the recipient of penetration:eek: ??? i thought the man was doing it to the horse.....

was the man the recipient of penetration:eek: ??? i thought the man was doing it to the horse.....

How else do you think he got a perfed colon? Some things just really are bad ideas.

was the man the recipient of penetration:eek: ??? i thought the man was doing it to the horse.....
No. The horse did him.

How else do you think he got a perfed colon? Some things just really are bad ideas.


well the story didnt specify smarty pants.

From the article

Although sex with animals is not illegal in Washington state, Urquhart said that investigators were looking into whether the farm, located in Enumclaw, 40 miles southeast of Seattle, allowed sex with smaller animals that resulted in animal cruelty, which is a crime.

“If you’re talking about sheep or goats, there could be some issues,” Urquhart said.

I don't know what goes on in those farms ...

well the story didnt specify smarty pants.

[In snobbish English accent]
Elementary, my dear Peechland. Perforation of the colon generally implies insertion of some foreign object with the subsequent result of tearing the colon wall. Given the rather impressive endowment characteristic for horses one can draw the conclusion that the man was on the receiving end of this encounter. *Puffs on pipe* ;)

[In snobbish English accent]
Elementary, my dear Peechland. Perforation of the colon generally implies insertion of some foreign object with the subsequent result of tearing the colon wall. Given the rather impressive endowment characteristic for horses one can draw the conclusion that the man was on the receiving end of this encounter. *Puffs on pipe* ;)

stop it...I'm a sucker for snobby English accents. ;)

yes it does make sense ....i guess i had a hard time imagining the dynamics of it all. how does a horse mount a man...or maybe the guy was on top? my goodness.......umm...ouch.

he was receiving! if anything you should punish the horse for shagging a human!

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Opinions please? I really need to know what other people think about this issue. Which also raises another issue.....what is your opinion about beastality? Is it moral to have sex with a creature that cannot consent?
If he's that braindead to have sex with a horse in the first place, he just got what he deserved :rolleyes:

Of course, such immense braindeadness can only be found in the US :rolleyes:
The country that prohibits sex with minors but allows nauseating crap like sex with animals... they're really seriously fucked up in the head. :sniper:

I don't like the idea of human having sex with an animal. Like many of you have stated, it is discusting. However, that should not be used as an argument against it. The thing is that the idea of gay sex is equally disgusting to me, and I would never do it. That however does not give me a justification to judge it. It is not wrong simply because I dislike it. If the animal is suffering, then it's another case, but in this particular example it doesn't seem to be so.

My opinion is that people have the right to have gay sex, SM sex, animal sex and whatever sex you can think of, as long as no one is beeing hurt when doing it.

I don't like the idea of human having sex with an animal. Like many of you have stated, it is discusting. However, that should not be used as an argument against it. The thing is that the idea of gay sex is equally disgusting to me, and I would never do it. That however does not give me a justification to judge it. It is not wrong simply because I dislike it. If the animal is suffering, then it's another case, but in this particular example it doesn't seem to be so.

My opinion is that people have the right to have gay sex, SM sex, animal sex and whatever sex you can think of, as long as no one is beeing hurt when doing it.

What about sex with apple pie? I think that hurts the apple pie...or maybe the people who wanted to eat it ;-)

It's not my place to judge, so as long as the animal isn't hurt, then go right ahead if it's your thing. Comparison to pedophilia isn't really valid since animals have sex and they can give consent to the extent they will ever be able to, not to mention that victims of child abuse are proven to suffer serious emotional trauma. Of course violent sex acts wouldn't be good for an animal's mental balance either, but animal cruelty is another story and I think an animal would have to be strange indeed to suffer from sex alone.

As for the sheer stupidity of letting a big and massively powerful animal take you from behind... Well I guess a healthy relationship is built on trust. I wonder if the guy asked his lover to be gentle?

He frankly desrved it. The only one I feel sorry in this story was the horse. Every now and then the gene pool needs a little chlorine. Guess we'll see this one soon on the Darwin Awards site. He should have stuck with gerbils.

He frankly desrved it. The only one I feel sorry in this story was the horse. Every now and then the gene pool needs a little chlorine. Guess we'll see this one soon on the Darwin Awards site. He should have stuck with gerbils.

As long as the horse isn't hurt... you know, that had to be a really tight fit! ...

I'm okay with it. The horse got laid, the guy got dead. Happy ending. :)

As long as the horse isn't hurt... you know, that had to be a really tight fit! ...

I'm okay with it. The horse got laid, the guy got dead. Happy ending. :)
*shudder* lol.
So many things wrong with that :p

It's just something I'd never like to try.

As far as morality goes, there is no set standard for morality, as it differs from person to person....but as I always say "whatever stiffs your dick."

I'm not certain this thread is going to fall under "PG-13", but anyway, in response to the OP's final question:

Bestiality should be legal on the following grounds.

The main argument against it seems to be consent. Animals can't consent because they can't talk or think complex thoughts like people can. Sex with them is a breach of their rights. Come on - we slaughter millions, perhaps billions of animals PER DAY for fun, for food, for clothes. It is clear from these actions that animals do not have rights like people do in our societies. In terms of human law, what's the worse crime - murder or rape? Because in our society it is fine to murder animals. It should be permissable to sexually assault them as well.

As long as the horse isn't hurt... you know, that had to be a really tight fit! ...

I'm okay with it. The horse got laid, the guy got dead. Happy ending. :)


would it really be tight. because have you ever seen a horse penis? or at least seen freddy got fingered. horses are used to bigger.

would it really be tight. because have you ever seen a horse penis? or at least seen freddy got fingered. horses are used to bigger.
Horses have huge cocks. Two inches in diameter when they are flaccid, just imagine that fucker erect.

Horses have huge cocks. Two inches in diameter when they are flaccid, just imagine that fucker erect.

Sometimes you don't want to let people know what you know. Becaus people will wonder how you know. :p

Sometimes you don't want to let people know what you know. Becaus people will wonder how you know. :p
Having spent time around horses it becomes unavoidable to see a horse penis, and the two inch thing was a guess. That and at one point I was considering becomeing a veterinarian, and currently I am thinking of trying somethign revolving around horses for after I'm done with the military.

Two words - Darwin awards. Not only does he remove himself from the gene pool, he does it in a way resulting in post-mortum humiliation. That's just beautiful.
Not really...people fuck animals all the time

Sometimes you don't want to let people know what you know. Becaus people will wonder how you know. :p


Things I learned today:

-- a horses penis is two inches in diameter when flaccid.




NS is great, learn something new everyday

Not really...people fuck animals all the time

Yes, but in this case, the man let the animal fuck him. ...to death.

Having spent time around horses it becomes unavoidable to see a horse penis, and the two inch thing was a guess. That and at one point I was considering becomeing a veterinarian, and currently I am thinking of trying somethign revolving around horses for after I'm done with the military.

Sometimes wondering is more fun.

Not really...people fuck animals all the time


in Pennsylvania beastiality completely legal.

I read this story quite some time ago. But what I wonder most is:

Is the horse ok?
No, some emotional damage. Just won't hold his head high 'round the corral anymore. Something was lost .... :(
And he got a case of the itchy/scratchies.

He'd be easy to spot: Look for the awkward walking man who can't hold his shit in anymore. :)
Nigel from Top Secret!

:eek:

Horses have huge cocks. Two inches in diameter when they are flaccid, just imagine that fucker erect.
Already am, *drooling* *panting* i need to find a horse

Sometimes wondering is more fun.
That may be, but would you rather I go into details on my friends cousin? I will say, as wrong as it was, it was hillarious to watch.

Nigel from Top Secret!

:eek:


awesome but not too well known movie. best character was chocolate moose.

That may be, but would you rather I go into details on my friends cousin? I will say, as wrong as it was, it was hillarious to watch.

I think you almost have to now. :)

Already am, *drooling* *panting* i need to find a horse


go to dutch country, PA loads of horses there


you can tag one while shes pullin the buggy

*In best (?) Zoidberg voice*
Funny story ....
My mom-in-law had a bf (yes the same that went to the hospital after he got pegged and got stuck) that was fond of looking at animal porn with his boys ... usually, since he had a pit bull terrier, he tried to load porn along those lines ... but one day he got lucky and found a clip with a chick getting f*cked by a horse. He kept it on her drive. One day, her son (not his son) was doing a report on the computer and was trying to see some streaming video. Some codec issue came up, and when he went looking for the viewer, the library of animal porn came up. So he got educated. I've seen it too. The horse gets held back at the legs by some other fellas but the situation pretty much worked itself out to the satisfaction of everyone involved.
I'm not lying.

I think you almost have to now. :)
They were jumping on a trampoline, keep in mind he was like eight, and he fell off. From across the street the neighbors dog comes running out, and mounts him as the kid gets up. And this was not a small dog, it was a freaking great dane, out weighed the kid. This dog just starts nailing him. He didn't break the kids pants or anything, but the kid was just yelling at us to get the dog off of him, and we're laughing our asses off.

awesome but not too well known movie. best character was chocolate moose.
What about "Latrine!!! Latrine!!!"
Sheesh, drinking gasoline? Bleah!

They were jumping on a trampoline, keep in mind he was like eight, and he fell off. From across the street the neighbors dog comes running out, and mounts him as the kid gets up. And this was not a small dog, it was a freaking great dane, out weighed the kid. This dog just starts nailing him. He didn't break the kids pants or anything, but the kid was just yelling at us to get the dog off of him, and we're laughing our asses off.
I had a friend who was taunting another friend of mines' seeing-eye dog with strawberry shortcake. Wouldn't let HER have it. Then he dropped his smokes onto the floor, and he got out of his chair to get them. He got down on the floor to get the two or three that had rolled under the table, and that was when she'd made up her mind to show him who was boss, and she mounted him lickety-split. Bonked his head on the table leg, and then he laid down laughing while she went to town on him. The moral of the story, he'd concluded, was not to taunt an intelligent dog with strawberry shortcake.

I'm not lying about that, either.

thats some nasty sh*t, why would you want to do that

here's my favorite line

" “If you’re talking about sheep or goats, there could be some issues,” Urquhart said." "

*shakes head*


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Opinions please? I really need to know what other people think about this issue. Which also raises another issue.....what is your opinion about beastality? Is it moral to have sex with a creature that cannot consent?


The most disturbing issue with the entire article is the part which begins with...

'...Although sex with animals is not illegal in Washington state...'

Kinda makes you wonder what the politicians of that state have been smoking. *notes to self that Washington state is south of good ole' marijuana BC and instantly it all makes sense* :rolleyes:

They were jumping on a trampoline, keep in mind he was like eight, and he fell off. From across the street the neighbors dog comes running out, and mounts him as the kid gets up. And this was not a small dog, it was a freaking great dane, out weighed the kid. This dog just starts nailing him. He didn't break the kids pants or anything, but the kid was just yelling at us to get the dog off of him, and we're laughing our asses off.

Beastiality and child molestation all in one story. I can finally die happy. :)

Beastiality and child molestation all in one story. I can finally die happy. :)
you just made my day

hm, there was a guy in melbourne I think, who was doing it to rabbits and then killing them-very wierd

The most disturbing issue with the entire article is the part which begins with...

'...Although sex with animals is not illegal in Washington state...'

Kinda makes you wonder what the politicians of that state have been smoking. *notes to self that Washington state is south of good ole' marijuana BC and instantly it all makes sense* :rolleyes:


beastiality is still legal in many states. in PA its part of the sodomy law.

hm, there was a guy in melbourne I think, who was doing it to rabbits and then killing them-very wierd
well, they could have died from the shock of it all, I mean they are fragile little creatures.


Beastiality and child molestation all in one story. I can finally die happy. :)
You know, I was gonna say I had no clue why that was funny, but then I realized, your LG, and everything you say is funny. It's a pity I can't say your the only man I ever loved, Czardas holds that distinct title. Well at least when he's looking.....and he doesn't seem to be looking now..... Alright dammnit, lets make this a quickie.

well, they could have died from the shock of it all, I mean they are fragile little creatures.


You know, I was gonna say I had no clue why that was funny, but then I realized, your LG, and everything you say is funny. It's a pity I can't say your the only man I ever loved, Czardas holds that distinct title. Well at least when he's looking.....and he doesn't seem to be looking now..... Alright dammnit, lets make this a quickie.

You'll find that me and horses have something in common. :cool:





...we both like apples. ;)

Now, maybe they have a very strange movie rating system in America and maybe they don't, but I must say I have yet to see any PG-13 movie featuring equine beastiality. And I had never thought to see a group of people taking such perverse delight in it.

Obviously this is unacceptable.

Except for Darwinianstan, who's been deleted for other offences, you slide by on this one, but it's close. Please don't make me have to go through any more such threads.

~ Tsar the Mod.