Christmas or Holiday
Twitch2395
24-01-2006, 20:13
Im sure every one has heard of the dispute before Christmas about whether or not people should say merry Christmas or happy Holidays. The people who who wanted it to be happy holidays said that it was discrimination to say merry Christmas.The funny thing about that is that by saying happy holidays we are decriminating against Christians; who make up 80% of the population of the US.
I was just wondering if anyone agreed with my opinion. Please debate.
[NS]Simonist
24-01-2006, 20:29
Im sure every one has heard of the dispute before Christmas about whether or not people should say merry Christmas or happy Holidays. The people who who wanted it to be happy holidays said that it was discrimination to say merry Christmas.The funny thing about that is that by saying happy holidays we are decriminating against Christians; who make up 80% of the population of the US.
I was just wondering if anyone agreed with my opinion. Please debate.
No, you're really not discriminating against Christians unless you say "Happy Holidays, oh, except Christmas, because we're far too secular for that" or something of the like. Christmas is, in fact, a HOLIDAY. Ergo, saying "Happy Holidays" includes Christmas in the bundle.
Even as a Catholic, it really got to me this year with everybody saying "Merry Christmas" as they left the store. I mean, yeah, it's never a good idea to make visual assumptions about one's religious orientation, but as a general rule let's not just assume one thing or another. That's why I would stick to happy holidays, whether or not people liked it. Better they be offended over lack of recognition of their holiday of choice, in my eyes, than I choose the wrong holiday to wish a good one.
Deiakeos
24-01-2006, 20:45
Simonist' #2]
Originally Posted by Twitch2395
Im sure every one has heard of the dispute before Christmas about whether or not people should say merry Christmas or happy Holidays. The people who who wanted it to be happy holidays said that it was discrimination to say merry Christmas.The funny thing about that is that by saying happy holidays we are decriminating against Christians; who make up 80% of the population of the US.
I was just wondering if anyone agreed with my opinion. Please debate.
No, you're really not discriminating against Christians unless you say "Happy Holidays, oh, except Christmas, because we're far too secular for that" or something of the like. Christmas is, in fact, a HOLIDAY. Ergo, saying "Happy Holidays" includes Christmas in the bundle.
Even as a Catholic, it really got to me this year with everybody saying "Merry Christmas" as they left the store. I mean, yeah, it's never a good idea to make visual assumptions about one's religious orientation, but as a general rule let's not just assume one thing or another. That's why I would stick to happy holidays, whether or not people liked it. Better they be offended over lack of recognition of their holiday of choice, in my eyes, than I choose the wrong holiday to wish a good one.
Saying "Merry Christmas", at christmas time, or in fact ANY time (such as
June 15th), is no more discriminanatory than saying "Good Morning" to
someone who is at the other end of the phone 12 timezones away, where it's
evening.
"Merry Christmas" means, "May you enjoy this time that we christians call
christmas."
It doesn't mean, "You really should become a christian because we have this
wonderful holiday that you as a non-christian, if you ARE a non-christian,
aren't allowed to enjoy."
I would LOVE it if a jew said "Happy Shabbat!" to me when the time was
right..! To which I would reply, "And a very very Happy Shabbat to you as
well..!!"
It takes a bent mind to think that "Merry Christmas" could possibly be
offensive, and usually points to some other motive for wanting to squelch
such speech.
People are SO silly sometimes.
-Iakeo
[NS]Simonist
24-01-2006, 20:53
It takes a bent mind to think that "Merry Christmas" could possibly be
offensive, and usually points to some other motive for wanting to squelch
such speech.
Welcome to the year 2006. It's par for the course. We're talking about a world where some Christians don't want me saying it to them because they don't believe that Catholics (or, if you will, pretty much anybody else) are real Christians, and ergo we're defiling their holiday.
Smunkeeville
24-01-2006, 21:02
I think you have a weird definition of discrimination, although so does the rest of America, so no big deal.
discrimination -unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
so exactly how is it unfair to you if someone says Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas?
Gassputia
24-01-2006, 21:38
Simonist']No, you're really not discriminating against Christians unless you say "Happy Holidays, oh, except Christmas, because we're far too secular for that" or something of the like. Christmas is, in fact, a HOLIDAY. Ergo, saying "Happy Holidays" includes Christmas in the bundle.
Even as a Catholic, it really got to me this year with everybody saying "Merry Christmas" as they left the store. I mean, yeah, it's never a good idea to make visual assumptions about one's religious orientation, but as a general rule let's not just assume one thing or another. That's why I would stick to happy holidays, whether or not people liked it. Better they be offended over lack of recognition of their holiday of choice, in my eyes, than I choose the wrong holiday to wish a good one.
Me agree, if you say happy holidays, then all the people will be happy:)
Oh, give it a bloody rest already, you yanks! The season is over. Find something new towards which to divert your myopia!
Super-power
24-01-2006, 21:43
The **** does it matter what you say? Nobody is forcing you to say either.
Evil little girls
24-01-2006, 21:43
Seriously, if you care wether people say 'happy holidays' or 'merry christmas'.....
Get a life
Deiakeos
30-01-2006, 22:35
Simonist' #4]Welcome to the year 2006. It's par for the course. We're talking about a world where some Christians don't want me saying it to them because they don't believe that Catholics (or, if you will, pretty much anybody else) are real Christians, and ergo we're defiling their holiday.
So what?
If someone takes my saying "Happiness to You!" as an insult of some sort,
then that's their problem, and it's (their reaction is) not going to have any
effect on me other than to prove that they are not worth dealing with.
If they start a fight with me because of it, then the result of our fight will be
as it is,.. but it's not going to make me stop wishing people happiness.
Those who it WOULD make stop wishing people happiness are people not
worth tking seriously or dealing with, themselves.
-Iakeo
Deiakeos
30-01-2006, 22:38
Me agree, if you say happy holidays, then all the people will be happy:)
No they won't. :)
It's just a fact. Those who don't like you saying that (for whatever reason)
won't be happy with it, by definition.
So the question is, is it important for you to change what you say to
simply "please" others, or is it important to change what you say ONLY if you
have a good reason (YOUR reason) for doing so?
I will not be bullied by thugs.
Will you?
-Iakeo
Oh please. You just grave-dug a thread about a topic that was already grave-dug when the thead was started.
Deiakeos
31-01-2006, 19:39
Oh please. You just grave-dug a thread about a topic that was already grave-dug when the thead was started.
Just answering a question.
If you don't want to participate in the thread, then don't communicate on
that thread.
Have a super day..!!
-Iakeo