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Well, with Israel and France pointing their nukes towards Iran. With Iran making Nuclear warheads, we are witnessing a build up. I hate to tell yall this but a big War is on the horizon. So far I see Russia backing Iran and the USA backing France and Israel. When both side start picking their allies, the question will be, who will strike first? So who will launch the first strike and against who?

I say Israel will strike Iran with USA backing.

Jamaica. I don't trust them. They have been too quite for too long. *nod*

Jamaica. I don't trust them. They have been too quite for too long. *nod*

I don't know, those 'neutral' Swiss have been awful shady about their weapons of mass destruction. Does anyone else think all that cheese is too cover the smell of anthrax production plants?

Probably Royal Mail. They're always going on strike.

It'll most likely be most of the world vs. Iran, Russia, and maybe China. How devastating.

Well, with Israel and France pointing their nukes towards Iran. With Iran making Nuclear warheads, we are witnessing a build up. I hate to tell yall this but a big War is on the horizon. So far I see Russia backing Iran and the USA backing France and Israel. When both side start picking their allies, the question will be, who will strike first? So who will launch the first strike and against who?

I say Israel will strike Iran with USA backing.
The major player being overlooked in all this is China, who would most probably enter in the side of Iran.

Jamaica. I don't trust them. They have been too quite for too long. *nod*
They've been quite what?
Or is that just the mysterious nature of Jamaica?

Anyway, I can't pretend to know who will start it, but I know that when it is all over Luxembourg is so totally going to pwn all you bitches. After every other nation in the world is devestated/destroyed/returned to the ocean, the Grand Duchy is going to move out and no one will be in position to stop them.

The major player being overlooked in all this is China, who would most probably enter in the side of Iran.

Theres a reason I left China out. China is a major trading partner to the US, and the US and China's economy depend on that trade. If China sides with Iran, they lose the trading, and so do we. So China is a tough call.

Is WWIII on the horision? Is it possible?

US,UK,France,Germany,Israel,Australia,Canada,Japan vs Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea.

Worst case scenario:
Russia, China, Korea join sides with Iran against the US, Europe,Israel, India, South Korea. South Korea is easily overtaken, China, while taking heavy losses is able to subdue India, all countries take severe damage from nukes, Isreal is blown off the map, Communism re-emerges in Russia, China takes Taiwan, US and Europe withdraw.

They've been quite what?
Or is that just the mysterious nature of Jamaica?

Anyway, I can't pretend to know who will start it, but I know that when it is all over Luxembourg is so totally going to pwn all you bitches. After every other nation in the world is devestated/destroyed/returned to the ocean, the Grand Duchy is going to move out and no one will be in position to stop them.

'quite' is a slang term for 'quiet'. You need to get with the lingo, my man. :p

Worst case scenario:
Russia, China, Korea join sides with Iran against the US, Europe,Israel, India, South Korea. South Korea is easily overtaken, China, while taking heavy losses is able to subdue India, all countries take severe damage from nukes, Isreal is blown off the map, Communism re-emerges in Russia, China takes Taiwan, US and Europe withdraw.

I never heard of a contry named europe.

Theres a reason I left China out. China is a major trading partner to the US, and the US and China's economy depend on that trade. If China sides with Iran, they lose the trading, and so do we. So China is a tough call.

I think at this point we are far more dependent upon China then they are on us. Although it would be nice for the US to have an excuse to clear up all that national debt owed to the Chinese.

'quite' is a slang term for 'quiet'. You need to get with the lingo, my man. :p
¿Qué? Yo no hablo inglés.

Worst case scenario:
Russia, China, Korea join sides with Iran against the US, Europe,Israel, India, South Korea. South Korea is easily overtaken, China, while taking heavy losses is able to subdue India, all countries take severe damage from nukes, Isreal is blown off the map, Communism re-emerges in Russia, China takes Taiwan, US and Europe withdraw.

Why do Russia and China dominate so?

Realistically though, I don't think any large country has the guts to use nuclaar weapons, except possibly Iran.

Theres a reason I left China out. China is a major trading partner to the US, and the US and China's economy depend on that trade. If China sides with Iran, they lose the trading, and so do we. So China is a tough call.

Assuming that China enters on Iran's side, the US will rev up its industrial capabilities back to Pre-WW2 capabilities. We were the big supplier then, we'll have to be now. That would cripple china's economy, rendering them handicapped for the war.

If they entered on our side, then things would be easier for us, China wouldn't be economicaly devastated and Iran+Russia are in it alone. Russia, though a huge industrial nation in and of itself, has nowhere near the capacity
of the US, even if we aren't using all of it at the moment.

I see the US prospering economically if China enters the war on the side of Iran, and staying about the same, if not doing worse if China sides with us.

Why do Russia and China dominate so?

Because they have a big country (land mass wise) lol.

Realistically though, I don't think any large country has the guts to use nuclaar weapons, except possibly Iran.

I dissagre. If it was to save your nation I think they would. As Chirac.

Why do Russia and China dominate so?

Because China is rapidly re-emerging as a world-class superpower, Russia always seems to do well when it's underestimated, and it's a worst case scenario.

I dissagre. If it was to save your nation I think they would. As Chirac.
Obviously if someone started using nukes, other nations would, but as of now, I don't think anyone really wants to take the prerogative.

Honestly, I think it'll be Iran + China, not Iran and Russia. I don't think Russia will back Iran. Putin is no fool, and they've already sought compromises in this situation, like offering to enrich for Iran. They won't back Iran.

Theres a reason I left China out. China is a major trading partner to the US, and the US and China's economy depend on that trade. If China sides with Iran, they lose the trading, and so do we. So China is a tough call.

Exactly, neither Russia nor China have anything to gain by siding with Iran. There political agendas aren’t aligned, and even if they where both have growing economies dependent on foreign trade, which is mainly with countries that would be opposed to any contest.

Well, the only reason they want nuclear capability is so that when the oil crisis really hits they be able to hold there own. Otherwise they’ll be raped an pillaged for every drop of the black stuff that countries with nuclear weapons can just walk in and take.

Iran is a democracy, and we as countries with nuclear capability have no right to say who is and who isn’t allowed them.

Worst case scenario:
Russia, China, Korea join sides with Iran against the US, Europe,Israel, India, South Korea. South Korea is easily overtaken, China, while taking heavy losses is able to subdue India, all countries take severe damage from nukes, Isreal is blown off the map, Communism re-emerges in Russia, China takes Taiwan, US and Europe withdraw.

No, the worst case scenario is Ireland gets attacked, at all, at anytime in any war in the future, foreseeable or unforeseeasble.

Iran is a democracy, and we as countries with nuclear capability have no right to say who is and who isn’t allowed them.
As responsible citizens of the international community, we have not a right, but a duty, to do anything we can to reduce the amount of nuclear weapons. Not to mention that letting Ahmadinejad have nukes is like giving a 2-year-old an AK-47. He has shown himself to be irresponsible time and time again, doing such dissrespectuful things as denying the Holocaust. I'm not saying that its any better for any other country to have nukes, but preventing Iran from having any is definetly a step in the right direction.

Iran is a democracy, and we as countries with nuclear capability have no right to say who is and who isn’t allowed them.
As responsible citizens of the international community, we have not a right, but a duty, to do anything we can to reduce the amount of nuclear weapons. Not to mention that letting Ahmadinejad have nukes is like giving a 2-year-old an AK-47. He has shown himself to be irresponsible time and time again, doing such dissrespectuful things as denying the Holocaust. I'm not saying that its any better for any other country to have nukes, but preventing Iran from having any is definetly a step in the right direction.

When did we all jump to worldwide nuclear war?

First of all, why does China feel the need to jump in the middle of this? They've been quietly developing their forces for decades, and while they're very large, they're not there yet. They would, in the end, be decimated in a war like this and that's not what they need. They'll continue building and then, when the time is right, launch a surprise attack, probably on Taiwan.

Why do they care if Iran has nukes? And as has been said, they don't want to lose US trade relations, certainly not this early in the game.

Secondly, what doess Russia really matter? They're a shadow of their former heights, and would barely sway the tide, IMO. North Korea would be the main problem, as they could do some damage.

Obviously the scare is that Iran would wipe Israel off the map, but that's why Israel will strike for. Like it or not, when the very existence of your people is threatened, your fight back.

When did we all jump to worldwide nuclear war?

First of all, why does China feel the need to jump in the middle of this? They've been quietly developing their forces for decades, and while they're very large, they're not there yet. They would, in the end, be decimated in a war like this and that's not what they need. They'll continue building and then, when the time is right, launch a surprise attack, probably on Taiwan.

Why do they care if Iran has nukes? And as has been said, they don't want to lose US trade relations, certainly not this early in the game.

Secondly, what doess Russia really matter? They're a shadow of their former heights, and would barely sway the tide, IMO. North Korea would be the main problem, as they could do some damage.

Obviously the scare is that Iran would wipe Israel off the map, but that's why Israel will strike for. Like it or not, when the very existence of your people is threatened, your fight back.
I would tend to agree. For the most part, we're talking about the worst-case scenario, and not what's most likely to happen.

Well, with Israel and France pointing their nukes towards Iran. With Iran making Nuclear warheads, we are witnessing a build up. I hate to tell yall this but a big War is on the horizon. So far I see Russia backing Iran and the USA backing France and Israel. When both side start picking their allies, the question will be, who will strike first? So who will launch the first strike and against who?

I say Israel will strike Iran with USA backing.

i don't know the technological details, but if IRan is stupid enough to launch a nuke at either France or Israel, the US will pick up the launch and before anything hits France or Israel, we'd launch 20 or 50 or 100 at Iran.

Nobody messes with NATO or Israel.

To those familiar with US nuke policy and defending our friends, is that a possible/likely scenario -- we pick up the Iran launch and immediately fire back?

Well, with Israel and France pointing their nukes towards Iran. With Iran making Nuclear warheads, we are witnessing a build up. I hate to tell yall this but a big War is on the horizon. So far I see Russia backing Iran and the USA backing France and Israel. When both side start picking their allies, the question will be, who will strike first? So who will launch the first strike and against who?

I say Israel will strike Iran with USA backing.

Me to think so, Isreal will attack from the air, with some us help, and wage an all out air war, as long as they can...
You will know that this is about to happen, if the Isrealis take back the Gaza strip, and other plazes, and moce their military into defencive positions all around, whilst at the same time beeing even more meaner to the palestinians, just to keep them at bay, they may go as far as total etnich cleansing, something they have shown them selfs willing of in Beirut where they killed 2000 women and children, Thanks to Ariel..

The U.S does not have the resurses at this time to deffend Isreal on the ground, as Iran would have some anti airdefences, and could meintain ground battle operation, the mooving into iraq through the souths where the shiites are, and surraunding american forces that are north of basra. After this the americans would either have to do a full scale ground war a-la battles in korea, and france in ww2. Or they would use nukes against iran to help their stranded forces...

Iran would then, if still beeing alive, take over much of the middleeast reaching the Med...

Its a war of 2 evils, theocracy, vs a state where only jews can own land....
and a lot of poeple would be killed...

Also there is option number 2. The irani ppl hate their own goverment so much, and send the ayathollas to hell, and make a western style nation[they consider them self cind of western, since they are periens and shit]

who cares ce sera sera

i don't know the technological details, but if IRan is stupid enough to launch a nuke at either France or Israel, the US will pick up the launch and before anything hits France or Israel, we'd launch 20 or 50 or 100 at Iran.

Nobody messes with NATO or Israel.

To those familiar with US nuke policy and defending our friends, is that a possible/likely scenario -- we pick up the Iran launch and immediately fire back?
Possible...the US would have to exercise caution depending on how Russia/China reacted

Also there is option number 2. The irani ppl hate their own goverment so much, and send the ayathollas to hell, and make a western style nation[they consider them self cind of western, since they are periens and shit]

Actually, they don't mind their government for the most part

i acnt see the last page:confused:

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The major player being overlooked in all this is China, who would most probably enter in the side of Iran.
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Why? I haven't heard anything about Iran and China liking each other, have I been missing something?

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Why? I haven't heard anything about Iran and China liking each other, have I been missing something?
China's rapidly developing country needs oil. Iran has it. By opposing Iran, they lose it.

NATO vs Iran.

Israel stays out but for a few bombing runs, Russia stays out because it's not worth it to them, and China stays out because they can only choose between a rock and a hard place and they wouldn't want to risk it with the States.

But I hope it won't be for years, because I stick with the notion that a war against Iran would destroy everything the Iraqis have achieved so far.

China's rapidly developing country needs oil. Iran has it. By opposing Iran, they lose it.

And by opposing the US, they lose it.

Saudi Arabia relies on American tax-payers to keep it in place and between Saudi Arabia, America-occupied Iraq, and Kuwait, most of the oil in the Mid East is under the direct or indirect sway of the Untied States.

Actually, they don't mind their government for the most part


well, i tought they disliked that women had to have tents over them selfs, and that, well you know, get stonned for a lot of things, like if you get raped, and give birth out of wedlock you get stoned...
Ans so on, and how can menn live in iran, I mean if i did'nt get to see hot girls in their bikinis for w whoile summer i would hang my self

Is WWIII on the horision? Is it possible?

US,UK,France,Germany,Israel,Australia,Canada,Japan vs Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea.
Fuck it, bringem on! The U.S. will have all their Carriers, Cruisers, and Subs out in the middle of the oceans, and we'll just start melting cities. They may get most of our cities too, but we'll be the ones to survive the longest. Then the world will be OURS! MUUWWHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! (I call Taiwan!)

And by opposing the US, they lose it.

Saudi Arabia relies on American tax-payers to keep it in place and between Saudi Arabia, America-occupied Iraq, and Kuwait, most of the oil in the Mid East is under the direct or indirect sway of the Untied States.
I m talking worst-case scenario. You have a good point.

Fuck it, bringem on! The U.S. will have all their Carriers, Cruisers, and Subs out in the middle of the oceans, and we'll just start melting cities. They may get most of our cities too, but we'll be the ones to survive the longest. Then the world will be OURS! MUUWWHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! (I call Taiwan!)

Yea, but whats the point of ruling over a bunch of melted cities? Its like playing with the little green army guys after you get done with the magnifying glass. 'S just not fun.

Yea, but whats the point of ruling over a bunch of melted cities? Its like playing with the little green army guys after you get done with the magnifying glass. 'S just not fun.
cuz then they're YOUR melted cities

cuz then they're YOUR melted cities

So you can merge all the melt together and make a giant melted pool of city-goo?

As far as I see it, it doesn't matter who fires first, we'll all be screwed with that many nukes.

Actually, my vote is on that nutjob in iran. Is iran even worthy of a capital "I" these days?

So you can merge all the melt together and make a giant melted pool of city-goo?
mmmmmmmmm city-goo...wonder if it goes well with jelly

Well Homer (the Greek philosopher not the Simpsons!) said that the Middle East would take over the world in 2020, so don't panic we have 14 years of freedom left yet (some of them of course could be spent at war and the war ends in 2020...)!

Iran...tbh i don't see anything happening, the West didn't do anything when North Korea openly admitted it had Nukes, why would Iran be any different! To go to war would be too risky as it could end up in an all out nuclear war, which nobody wants except warmongerers (and no that isn't Bush).

Iran will be dealt with in the UN Security Council, the two countries that could actually do anything worthwhile (US and UK) are too tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq to launch another war on Iran, we simply don't have the resources and logistics to do so unless we went to Total War, which i am not sure will go down too well with the public! Having France on your side is not exactly a good thing, just look at past records, 1871, 1914, 1939... France are no longer strong, they are not even a full member of NATO, they kinda spectate but don't have any involvement, so even if NATO wen to war this would not include France, which frankly is probs a good thing, they would run scared. Cheese-eating surrender monkeys! Germany has no military force what so ever, it has a military yes, its well trained, yes but are their enough soldiers, no. Germans are not too keen on war anymore, alot of them are now pacifist.

So that leaves Russia, a shadow of its former self, China that has lots of men but poorly trained and old soviet hardware and economic reasons for not going to war. The only country that could afford to go to war is N. Korea because it has nothing to lose and KJI is just about crazy enough to do it!

Basically atm, there are no countries which have the availiable resources and training to go for full blown WW or even just a basic war against Iran, even Israel with all its US backed military and air force would struggle after a while.

Iran has to be solved peacefully because realistically we have no other solution, Iran know this and so does the West which is we are so shit scared of Iran doing something, because we have no real means to make a meaningful retaliation, except wipe them off the map, but what does that achieve.

Best solution is political, failing that a bullet between the eyes for El Presidente of Iran, courtesy of MI6 :sniper: (or a mystery plane/car crash *cough Diana cough*)

Graham Harvey

Once again, why are we all jumping to nuclear war?

Most countries try and avoid nuclear war at all costs, because the only response to a nuclear attack is more nuclear attacks, and most governments generally try and avoid the end of the world.

This, by the way, is the reason why other countries have a right to keep nuclear weapons from Iran. Any country that has vowed to "wipe Israel off the map" should not be allowed to pursue nuclear power.

Anyway, my point is the attacks on Iran would be strategic bombing by Israel through conventional means. No one has suggested that we should nuke Iran. That makes us no better than them.

Why do people keep elevating this. It's a problem, yes, but so far people have made it out like a nuclear war with China when there's no reason to include either of those concepts.

Iran has to be solved peacefully because realistically we have no other solution, Iran know this and so does the West which is we are so shit scared of Iran doing something, because we have no real means to make a meaningful retaliation, except wipe them off the map, but what does that achieve.
Graham Harvey
It gets rid of them once and for all.

Once again, why are we all jumping to nuclear war?

Most countries try and avoid nuclear war at all costs, because the only response to a nuclear attack is more nuclear attacks, and most governments generally try and avoid the end of the world.

This, by the way, is the reason why other countries have a right to keep nuclear weapons from Iran. Any country that has vowed to "wipe Israel off the map" should not be allowed to pursue nuclear power.

Anyway, my point is the attacks on Iran would be strategic bombing by Israel through conventional means. No one has suggested that we should nuke Iran. That makes us no better than them.

Why do people keep elevating this. It's a problem, yes, but so far people have made it out like a nuclear war with China when there's no reason to include either of those concepts.
You have to understand that people always want to jump to the most entertaining conclusions. You're probably right, unless the war starts by Iran dropping a nuke ten years from now, in which case I will guarantee you that nuclear weapons will be used in retailation.

It gets rid of them once and for all.
If by 'them' you mean 'the Iranian people' then yes, but wiping them out isn't going to solve you any problems without producing more.

If by 'them' you mean 'the Iranian people' then yes, but wiping them out isn't going to solve you any problems without producing more.
As has been said, if Iran starts the war, we have no other real choice.

It gets rid of them once and for all.
The Iranians actually like their country though. It's not a matter of "liberating" them from an evil oppressive government.

I get the impression that they either are okay with their leadership, or at least believe that if they want to, they can solve the problem themselves.

A war against Iran would be a proper war: nation against nation, not "Liberators against Evil Government". Not something I'd want to see.

The Iranians actually like their country though. It's not a matter of "liberating" them from an evil oppressive government.

I get the impression that they either are okay with their leadership, or at least believe that if they want to, they can solve the problem themselves.

A war against Iran would be a proper war: nation against nation, not "Liberators against Evil Government". Not something I'd want to see.
Absolutely correct.

As has been said, if Iran starts the war, we have no other real choice.
Of course it's been said, but what's the reasoning behind it?

It gets rid of them once and for all.

It also gets rid of millions of gallons of oil...

Of course it's been said, but what's the reasoning behind it?
Iran...tbh i don't see anything happening, the West didn't do anything when North Korea openly admitted it had Nukes, why would Iran be any different! To go to war would be too risky as it could end up in an all out nuclear war, which nobody wants except warmongerers (and no that isn't Bush).

Iran will be dealt with in the UN Security Council, the two countries that could actually do anything worthwhile (US and UK) are too tied up in Afghanistan and Iraq to launch another war on Iran, we simply don't have the resources and logistics to do so unless we went to Total War, which i am not sure will go down too well with the public! Having France on your side is not exactly a good thing, just look at past records, 1871, 1914, 1939... France are no longer strong, they are not even a full member of NATO, they kinda spectate but don't have any involvement, so even if NATO wen to war this would not include France, which frankly is probs a good thing, they would run scared. Cheese-eating surrender monkeys! Germany has no military force what so ever, it has a military yes, its well trained, yes but are their enough soldiers, no. Germans are not too keen on war anymore, alot of them are now pacifist.

So that leaves Russia, a shadow of its former self, China that has lots of men but poorly trained and old soviet hardware and economic reasons for not going to war. The only country that could afford to go to war is N. Korea because it has nothing to lose and KJI is just about crazy enough to do it!

Basically atm, there are no countries which have the availiable resources and training to go for full blown WW or even just a basic war against Iran, even Israel with all its US backed military and air force would struggle after a while.

Iran has to be solved peacefully because realistically we have no other solution, Iran know this and so does the West which is we are so shit scared of Iran doing something, because we have no real means to make a meaningful retaliation, except wipe them off the map, but what does that achieve.
as said by King Graham

It also gets rid of millions of gallons of oil...
an unfortunate, but necessary loss at that point

Absolutely correct.
So hypothetically its conventional warfare, then we (USA) should own beyond recognition right? I mean, thats what our military is designed for...

It also gets rid of millions of gallons of oil...
Maybe it would get the world thinking a bit harder about alternative energy sources

Who said China wants to side with Iran or North Korea? Or Russia? North Korea is in it own pile of shit if it even does anything without China's permission, or if Japan feels like it. Russia has those terrists and mob and will be internally destoryed if it joins a war by the economic pressures. And Besides, everyone has more to befefit by trading with each other than wasting money and people on some gay war.

BESIEDS US MILITARY KICKS ASS ! ! ! ! ! !

So hypothetically its conventional warfare, then we (USA) should own beyond recognition right? I mean, thats what our military is designed for...
Just look at the initial conflict in Iraq...it took what? a week?
Our main problem is that we have troops tied up in other middle-eastern countries already, so we'd need help from Israel and European countries.

an unfortunate, but necessary loss at that point

Yeh ok, well i guess if that happens, should kick start our change from oil to nuclear power/'green' power! But thats a completly different topic!

Graham

Maybe it would get the world thinking a bit harder about alternative energy sources

Great minds think alike!

Graham

Who said China wants to side with Iran or North Korea? Or Russia? North Korea is in it own pile of shit if it even does anything without China's permission, or if Japan feels like it. Russia has those terrists and mob and will be internally destoryed if it joins a war by the economic pressures. And Besides, everyone has more to befefit by trading with each other than wasting money and people on some gay war.

BESIEDS US MILITARY KICKS ASS ! ! ! ! ! !
sure we do, but outside of a total war situtation, we dont have enough troops to support the war effort by our lonesome

Who said China wants to side with Iran or North Korea? Or Russia? North Korea is in it own pile of shit if it even does anything without China's permission, or if Japan feels like it. Russia has those terrists and mob and will be internally destoryed if it joins a war by the economic pressures. And Besides, everyone has more to befefit by trading with each other than wasting money and people on some gay war.

BESIEDS US MILITARY KICKS ASS ! ! ! ! ! !

Well bearing in mind China already sides with N.Korea due to its communist links...but as explained in my original post, China are not the threat because their military is not well trained enough to pose a threat.

US Military kicks ass...lets hope its enemy ass then! :D

The US do not have enough resources/logistics/troops to go on another war, so Iran being the next war, i can't see it in the foreseeable future.

Graham

The US do not have enough resources/logistics/troops to go on another war, so Iran being the next war, i can't see it in the foreseeable future.

Graham
War is determined by neccessity, not what is needed. If war is declared on us, we'll go to war whether we "can" or "can't".

Oh yeh, if war is declared on you then you go to war!

What i mean is that i don't think the US and UK will be wanting to go to war with Iran in the foreseeable future, so we won't delclare war on Iran, if that makes sense.

As has been shown countless times in History, it is very rare for the 'victim' country to be ready for war.

Graham

Oh yeh, if war is declared on you then you go to war!

What i mean is that i don't think the US and UK will be wanting to go to war with Iran in the foreseeable future, so we won't delclare war on Iran, if that makes sense.

As has been shown countless times in History, it is very rare for the 'victim' country to be ready for war.

Graham
ok, just wanted to make sure

Dont under estimate Russia folks. History has shown that when need be, the Russians will stomp some *serious* ass. They may not look ready for it now, but I have a feeling they could tool up pretty damn fast. But besides selling some defensive AA to Iran, I dont think they really care to help them too much (as in Russia wont help Iran unless Russia gets something out it) It wont go Nuclear, No one cares enough about Iranistan to go Nuclear over it....Hopfully it just ends with Iran and Israel bothing be burned to ashs.

Just look at the initial conflict in Iraq...it took what? a week?
Our main problem is that we have troops tied up in other middle-eastern countries already, so we'd need help from Israel and European countries.

I don't mind asking for help from others...but war in general is gay.

Plus, if we went to war on a world wide scale, a draft would be needed. And drafts are gay.


Disclamer*I mean gay in the new sense, of the derogatory sense; such as "Thats gay." Synonyms could be stupid, retarded, fucked up... Don't hate me for the way I talk.

I don't mind asking for help from others...but war in general is gay.

Plus, if we went to war on a world wide scale, a draft would be needed. And drafts are gay.


Disclamer*I mean gay in the new sense, of the derogatory sense; such as "Thats gay." Synonyms could be stupid, retarded, fucked up... Don't hate me for the way I talk.
My hope in general is that we don't go to war unless we're the one being attacked. We don't want to be the aggressors in this one.

My hope in general is that we don't go to war unless we're the one being attacked. We don't want to be the aggressors in this one.

We don't want to be the agressors in anything. Only wars I advocate us entering are listed as following w/ reasons.

Revolutionary War- We wanted to take care of ourselves.
Civil War- Wanted to stay together
World War 1- Lusitania; shaky grounds, plus we needed to keep Europe from tearing itself apart.
World War 2- Because we got attacked...Pearl Harbor
Afghanistan- """""""""""""""""""""""""""...9/11

We don't want to be the agressors in anything. Only wars I advocate us entering are listed as following w/ reasons.

Revolutionary War- We wanted to take care of ourselves.
Civil War- Wanted to stay together
World War 1- Lusitania; shaky grounds, plus we needed to keep Europe from tearing itself apart.
World War 2- Because we got attacked...Pearl Harbor
Afghanistan- """""""""""""""""""""""""""...9/11
well obviously

well obviously

Thanks man...Glad my opinions mean so much to you :D

No hard feelings.

Thanks man...Glad my opinions mean so much to you :D

No hard feelings.
certainly