NationStates Jolt Archive


NATO to include Israel???

Zilam
23-01-2006, 07:04
evidently thats what Ex-Spanish Foreign Minister Ana Polacio says.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1137605893980&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

here is the story in full if you don't feel like clicking on the link:


In the age of global terrorism, NATO should expand into the Middle East and Asia to include countries such as Japan, Australia and Israel, former Spanish foreign minister Ana Palacio said on Sunday.

Terrorism is a global phenomenon that needs a wider range of nations than the 26 European and North American ones that are its members, she told an audience at the sixth annual Herzliya Conference.

"No nation can do this alone. An effective counterterrorism strategy is essential," she said. It must expand to include nations "willing and able to eliminate Islamic fundamentalist terrorism," she said.

"NATO has to reinvent itself," she suggested.

But not all the experts were certain that the best step was a formal membership in NATO. Lord Charles Guthrie, a former chief of General Staff of the British Army, warned that Israel might find such membership restrictive. It could also achieve a similar effect by bilateral arrangements of cooperation and intelligence. "It would be quite sensible to keep your freedom," Guthrie said.

Israel in the last year has improved its relationship with NATO, but has not asked for formal membership.

Guthrie and other panel members spoke of the need for Israel to improve its relationship with Europe, even as it recognized advances within that relationship in the last year.

Ambassador to the EU Oded Eran called on the cabinet to hold an "in-depth discussion, which will provide us with a set of goals and directions." In the past, he said, Europe's policy toward Israel has been "at best ambivalent, a cold shoulder and even hostile."

For a long time, Israel has acted as if there was no one to talk with in Europe. "Now, when the EU is turning into a key player in numerous dialogues, we have to change that assumption," he said, adding that's particularly true given that the EU is taking an active role is discussions between the Israelis and the Palestinian Authority.

"The EU is more active than the US," said Eran. "What is lacking is a government discussion regarding that change."

Josef Joffe, publisher-editor of Die Zeit said he believed that terrorism had made Europe take a second look at its romantic view of the Palestinians. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan has also helped, he said.

"That is why Ariel Sharon's tragedy brought forth such an outpouring of sympathy, which I would never have expected. I think that Sharon has left Israel a solid foundation on which to proceed," Joffe said


Now the real question is that if Israel is to join NATO, would they have to call it something else? I mean obviously Israel is nowhere close to the North Atlantic....But seriously, do you think this is a good idea?
The Phoenix Milita
23-01-2006, 07:10
how about the really good guys alliance
Zilam
23-01-2006, 07:11
how about the really good guys alliance


I was going to say superfriends..but i think thats trademarked
Sarzonia
23-01-2006, 07:15
Isn't the United States a member of SEATO? If so, NATO could, with minor refinement of its stated mission profile or membership criteria admit Israel even though it geographically wouldn't fit North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, so long as Israel remains a near match idealistically.
Kanabia
23-01-2006, 07:17
Axis of Secret-but-not-overt-evil?
Ha mesiach
23-01-2006, 07:17
they participate in the european song festival - why not an european military coalition?
Neu Leonstein
23-01-2006, 08:58
I don't think they would want to, to be honest.

They have something of a "stay independent" policy, or so it seems to me. Integrating the IDF into NATO would require some pretty big changes, and they'd probably have to say goodbye to the idea of targeted killings and so on.
Gravlen
23-01-2006, 12:30
they participate in the european song festival - why not an european military coalition?

Because they don't need to. The Eurovision Song Contest alone brings fear to their enemies' hearts, and the threat of broadcasting the show in any country that dares to attack Israel is the main reason that there is no open war between them and any arab country today. :p

At least, I think I read something like that on wikipedia or uncylcopedia... (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest)
Korrithor
23-01-2006, 13:23
Why is NATO still around again? What purpose does it serve?
Gravlen
23-01-2006, 13:27
Why is NATO still around again? What purpose does it serve?

In case the Soviet Union invades Europe. They're out there, watching, waiting... Don't be lulled into a false sense of security! >.>
Neu Leonstein
23-01-2006, 13:37
Why is NATO still around again? What purpose does it serve?
Ideally they would develop into the UN's tool to bash evildoers over the head with.
For the time being it's the primary defense agency of Europe and most powerful military alliance on the planet. It does serve some sort of purpose...just that fighting over silly invasions doesn't help defining it much.
Jeruselem
23-01-2006, 13:42
During the Crusades, Catholic Western Europe controlled lands Britain to the Holy Lands (apart the bits controlled the Moors and Byzantium). Looks like NATO wants to emulate it.
Gadiristan
23-01-2006, 13:58
Why not? But for me sholud be compulsory the inmediat and precious respect to the UN commandments, so should be back to the 1967 frontiers, East JErusalem too, of course. We offer the protection, they sign peace, in a equal way with their neighbourgs. I don't want to talk about the right of Israel or Arab's one, but telling what I think should be the conditions.

If not, if they want to keep the "independence", they should be let alone by the rest of the world, to solve by themselves their problems, but of course, it's not going to happen.
Gadiristan
23-01-2006, 14:03
Josef Joffe, publisher-editor of Die Zeit said he believed that terrorism had made Europe take a second look at its romantic view of the Palestinians. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan has also helped, he said.

Well, Palestinian situation has nothing "romantic", life in Cisjordania and (still) Gaza is a hell, so it's quite normal the fight in the most horrid way they can even imagine. It's not something to approve but... I understand. Specially if I see countries understandig so horrid things made by ISrael without living in so bad conditions.
Gadiristan
23-01-2006, 14:06
Ah, by the way, as Spanish citizen, Ana Palacio is normally considered quite dumb and very right wing.
Big Jim P
23-01-2006, 15:07
And, pray tell; what part of the North Atlantic, is Israel or any of these other nations associated with, and how are they associated?