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Why Hetros Fear/hate Homos

Forfania Gottesleugner
22-01-2006, 12:22
Despite the inflammatory title this is not an anti-gay post. I'm just tired of reading all these people's interpretations of why there is so much resistance to homosexuality. It is very very simple.

Hetrosexual men are naturally and enviromentally designed to not only be in some sort of position of control but to also keep their friendship ties from interferring with sexual ties. Example:

A man is in control of sex in the general sense because if he is not erect it is not going to happen in any conventional way. This is inarguabale. It can happen anyways but these are basic deviant behaviors that don't really further the natural will for reproduction. Gay sex gives up this control and is thus subconciously scary to many hetrosexual men. Men do not want to have anyhthing "done" to them that they cannot control except in deviant behavior.

A male on male hetrosexual relationship is heavily based on the knowledge that there will never ever be a sexual infraction. You can wrestle with male friends and it makes absolutely no difference because sexuality never comes into the picture in any way. Any male that wrestles with a female who is hetrosexual cannot entirely separate the slight possibilty of sexual activity from the plutonic activity and thus cannot be entirely comfortable and at ease. With another male no one ever thinks of sex and so it can never be uncomfortable. Now if you have the idea of homosexuality included in this freedom from the otherwise oversexed mind of a male you make them uncomfortable. The idea of male on male sex is naturally abhorrent to most hetrosexuals(for many of the reasons mentioned earlier) and thus the idea that this could slip into normal hetro activities is scary.

When males make friends they often enter into an unsaid contract that says: "since we can relate to eachother and are not interested in eachother sexually we can relate without any pressure and say whatever we want as well as back eachother up in any confrontation with other males"
Females cannot fulfill this role. Homosexuals threaten certain parts of this normal role. The basic result is that homos are hated or feared by some. One can still have homosexual friends but if they were to hit on the other straight guys it would be extrodinarily uncomfortable. This makes many hetros avoid the entire situation.
Laenis
22-01-2006, 12:34
Four words which explain why some heteros fear/hate homos:

"I was never confused!"

Cookie for whoever gets the reference
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 12:40
Time Gentlemen Please. And isn't this the nineth one of these in as many days?
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 12:47
Where's my fucking cookie?
Laenis
22-01-2006, 12:55
Where's my fucking cookie?

Hmph! I don't just give out low-quality store bought cookies, I bake them specially! These things take time! *Throws a red hot straight-from-the-oven cookie at Rotovia in anger*

Anyway, yeah, thread topics seem to come in waves. One day there'll be a host of religious and anti-religious threads, another day a swarm of gun control threads and today it's homophobias turn.

Btw, I believed you to be from the US, but i'd be mildly suprised if they showed Al Murray over there - especially since his live act is quite offensive to Americans. Do they show it over there or was I mistaken about your country?
Harlesburg
22-01-2006, 12:57
I wouldn't mind if all the guys in the world were gays it would increase my chances with thw immens but then posts like these wouldnt help much.:p
in other words i see this going down hill fast so IBTL.
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 12:58
Hmph! I don't just give out low-quality store bought cookies, I bake them specially! These things take time! *Throws a red hot straight-from-the-oven cookie at Rotovia in anger*It's all I ask

Anyway, yeah, thread topics seem to come in waves. One day there'll be a host of religious and anti-religious threads, another day a swarm of gun control threads and today it's homophobias turn.The question is "are the spontatiously inspired or the work of copycats" or alternatively "how many times can I work lines form Law & Order into a thread"

Btw, I believed you to be from the US, but i'd be mildly suprised if they showed Al Murray over there - especially since his live act is quite offensive to Americans. Do they show it over there or was I mistaken about your country? I live in Brisbane, Australia.
Boo Diddly
22-01-2006, 12:59
I always find it interesting that those that are against homosexuality often seek out and use lesbian porn as a stimulant. Whatever, I'm not opening that can of worms.

Anyway, it's not that women cannot perform the role of a friend but that too many men try to see us as more than just that. I get along famously with men but too often they get the idea that I'm available for t hem in a relationship role despite my being blunt and telling them I'm gay at the get go. Men seem to take the “well she just hasn't found the right guy yet” avenue and as a result delude themselves from the fact that nothing's going to happen between us. I then have no choice but to let the friendship go before they really fall to deep and ignore the warnings that “I'M GAY!” and continue to pursue me. I simply can't bare to keep rejecting their advancements knowing that they are probably taking it personally even though they know outright I'm a lesbian. I tell guys that to avoid these situations but as I stated most just either ignore it or go for it anyway.

It's a pretty sad statistic but about 75% of the straight men I have day to day contact with this happens to. Another 20% keep me around hoping for a threesome. But for the 5% that are my friends, I'd say it's worth it, they'd die before breaking their word to me.

It's like searching for a needle in a haystack but when you find the needle you don't let it go.
Upper Botswavia
22-01-2006, 13:01
Sorry, but I think that the original post is a ridiculous justification.

I think that the reason for hate/fear/prejudice is simply that you are taught to do so. What your parents (or other authority figures) believe, so you believe. You justify it however you must in order not to think of yourself as a bad person for holding prejudices, but they stem from what you have been brought up to believe is "right and proper" or "wrong and bad".

I have many gay friends and not one of them has ever tried to force a straight person to have sex with them, any more than any of my male friends have ever tried to force sex on a woman. Homosexuality is not about rape, however your post makes it obvious you think it is. You are never "out of control" with a homosexual man unless you want to be, any more than a woman is out of control when she is with you.

You are straight. As such, you don't want to have sex with a man. So don't. If he offers, say "no thanks" just as you would with a woman you are not attracted to. End of story. No need to hate or fear the woman afterwards, and likewise, no need to hate or fear the gay man.

So I am sorry to say that your post IS anti-gay, but I hope you will be able to someday get over your phobia and see that homosexuals are just people.
Laenis
22-01-2006, 13:06
I live in Brisbane, Australia.

Ah, please forgive my mistake. He's harsh on Aussies live as well, but I would be willing to bet the Australians are a lot more laid back about that sort of thing and wouldn't care so much.

"You live in Queensland eh? Well...it's ALL the Queens land mate, isn't it?" :D
Heron-Marked Warriors
22-01-2006, 13:08
I hate gays because they all want me really badly, and they can't control themselves so they're going to rape me. Is it obvious that I'm a straight white male?

Not really. I am a straight white male, though.
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 13:11
Ah, please forgive my mistake. He's harsh on Aussies live as well, but I would be willing to bet the Australians are a lot more laid back about that sort of thing and wouldn't care so much.

"You live in Queensland eh? Well...it's ALL the Queens land mate, isn't it?" :D
You realise he IS Australian, right?
Liskeinland
22-01-2006, 13:11
I think people hate gays because people tend to hate things. Anything. If they find something revolting, they're likely to hate it even more.
Boo Diddly
22-01-2006, 13:13
Why do you people keep acknowledging that only males are gay? You though the womans rights movement was bad wait till the “women are gay too” signs start popping up.... It'll happen.... Just you wait...
Upper Botswavia
22-01-2006, 13:13
Revolting? Why do you find it revolting? Again, a learned response.

If you were not prejudiced against homosexuality, you would not be revolted, you would simply be uninterested.
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 13:14
I hate your horse and the horse it rode in on! :D

*hate hate hate*:p


anyways... This coming from a straight not-white female.. anything having to do with stuffing things in a poop chute grosses me out.. because of poop. Poop is gross.

Now, I have gay friends. They just don't talk about their ass-capades when around me, and I don't tell them about my heterosexual bed-activities. Common courtesy and all. It's the gay people who think they have to shock us by marching nude and covered in pink spray paint yelling about what whould be between him and his partner... that's when people get offended.

you never see a STRAIGHT pride parade ever.. because for the most part straight folks would rather keep it between them and their partner :P
Upper Botswavia
22-01-2006, 13:15
Why do you people keep acknowledging that only males are gay? You though the womans rights movement was bad wait till the “women are gay too” signs start popping up.... It'll happen.... Just you wait...

Amen sister! :)
Popinjay
22-01-2006, 13:15
Despite the inflammatory title this is not an anti-gay post. I'm just tired of reading all these people's interpretations of why there is so much resistance to homosexuality. It is very very simple.

Hetrosexual men are naturally and enviromentally designed to not only be in some sort of position of control but to also keep their friendship ties from interferring with sexual ties. Example:

A man is in control of sex in the general sense because if he is not erect it is not going to happen in any conventional way. This is inarguabale. It can happen anyways but these are basic deviant behaviors that don't really further the natural will for reproduction. Gay sex gives up this control and is thus subconciously scary to many hetrosexual men. Men do not want to have anyhthing "done" to them that they cannot control except in deviant behavior.

A male on male hetrosexual relationship is heavily based on the knowledge that there will never ever be a sexual infraction. You can wrestle with male friends and it makes absolutely no difference because sexuality never comes into the picture in any way. Any male that wrestles with a female who is hetrosexual cannot entirely separate the slight possibilty of sexual activity from the plutonic activity and thus cannot be entirely comfortable and at ease. With another male no one ever thinks of sex and so it can never be uncomfortable. Now if you have the idea of homosexuality included in this freedom from the otherwise oversexed mind of a male you make them uncomfortable. The idea of male on male sex is naturally abhorrent to most hetrosexuals(for many of the reasons mentioned earlier) and thus the idea that this could slip into normal hetro activities is scary.

When males make friends they often enter into an unsaid contract that says: "since we can relate to eachother and are not interested in eachother sexually we can relate without any pressure and say whatever we want as well as back eachother up in any confrontation with other males"
Females cannot fulfill this role. Homosexuals threaten certain parts of this normal role. The basic result is that homos are hated or feared by some. One can still have homosexual friends but if they were to hit on the other straight guys it would be extrodinarily uncomfortable. This makes many hetros avoid the entire situation.

Forfania your comment is logically sound, but incorrect.
Laenis
22-01-2006, 13:21
You realise he IS Australian, right?

He is? I know he was raised in Britain, but can't find any reference to him being born in Australia. Still, it would make sense if he was - people often take the piss out of the place they come, and they can get away with it.
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 13:25
He is? I know he was raised in Britain, but can't find any reference to him being born in Australia. Still, it would make sense if he was - people often take the piss out of the place they come, and they can get away with it.
Hold up. I'm thinking of an Australian comedian with a similar routine. Al Murray is from Oxford or something. I rarely back pedal an arguement, so treassure this moment.
Laenis
22-01-2006, 13:29
Hold up. I'm thinking of an Australian comedian with a similar routine. Al Murray is from Oxford or something. I rarely back pedal an arguement, so treassure this moment.

Do I get my cookie back?
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 13:33
Do I get my cookie back?
After my next bowel movement, yes.
Entralla
22-01-2006, 13:37
it's like Bill O'Reilly says. Who cares if your're gay / bi / tri / etc? Keep your private life private and the whole issue becomes a moot point. Now me personally, I am not racist or discriminatory to anyone. But in my humble opinion, homosexuality is wrong because it's against nature. Humans are gven reproductive organs to REPRODUCE. But like I said, i'm not a bigot, that's just one mans opinion. I have several gay friends, and for the sake of keeping the peace I keep my mouth shut. The way I see it, I will let anyone be my friend until I am given a reason to break off that friendship. Sexuality is not an issue to me when deciding friends.
Cahnt
22-01-2006, 13:40
But in my humble opinion, homosexuality is wrong because it's against nature.
So presumably you feel that anaesthesia and cars are wrong as well?
Upper Botswavia
22-01-2006, 13:41
Not really against nature, no. Many species of animals in addition to humans form same sex partnerships.
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 13:41
it's like Bill O'Reilly says. Who cares if your're gay / bi / tri / etc? Keep your private life private and the whole issue becomes a moot point.
Oh the whole "what you do in your own bedroom is your business" arguement? Well let's face it. Everywhere we go, hetrosexuals are rubbing their sexuality in everyone's faces an noone complains. But, that normal, right?
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 13:50
Everywhere we go, hetrosexuals are rubbing their sexuality in everyone's faces an noone complains. But, that normal, right?


How so?

I've never seen a straight person going "LOOK HOW STRAIGHT I AM!!!" or a guy putting the emphasis on GIRL when they mention they have a GIRLfriend. That and like I said there are no 'straight pride parades' where people don their manliest attire and snog their wives for all to see on manly floats adorned with powertools and beer and other steriotypically manly items :rolleyes:

Sure, you see heterosexual relationships all over tv and the media.. because that's what's mostly around. There are films (like brokeback mountain) and tv shows (like will and grace) and a whole lot of literature (google for "yaoi fanfiction" :P) about gay people out there. It's just that since they started out as a minority they've developed 'minority syndrome' - aka they think that since they're not the extreme majority, they're being oppressed and need to be heard.
Maldaathi
22-01-2006, 13:50
I agree with the original post. It can get kinda un comfortable.
Cahnt
22-01-2006, 13:54
How so?

I've never seen a straight person going "LOOK HOW STRAIGHT I AM!!!" or a guy putting the emphasis on GIRL when they mention they have a GIRLfriend. That and like I said there are no 'straight pride parades' where people don their manliest attire and snog their wives for all to see on manly floats adorned with powertools and beer and other steriotypically manly items :rolleyes:

Sure, you see heterosexual relationships all over tv and the media.. because that's what's mostly around. There are films (like brokeback mountain) and tv shows (like will and grace) and a whole lot of literature (google for "yaoi fanfiction" :P) about gay people out there. It's just that since they started out as a minority they've developed 'minority syndrome' - aka they think that since they're not the extreme majority, they're being oppressed and need to be heard.
To be fair, they are only ten percent of the population, (which is a minority) they can't get married (for reasons which generally seem ridiculous) and I've nevber heard any cases of somebody getting beaten up and/or killed for being heterosexual.
As for the straight pride notion, what about the crowd at any large sporting event?
Rotovia-
22-01-2006, 13:55
How so?

I've never seen a straight person going "LOOK HOW STRAIGHT I AM!!!" You've necer been to Schoolies Week have you?
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 14:00
Um... I'm not a sports fan, but the sports I've been dragged to are usually about screaming things at the guy who shoots the tee-shirts into the audience, screaming about how the other team sucks, and getting deafened by the all around loudness.

...and maybe placing a couple bets :P

What prevents gay people from going to sporting events? Just because Bob is gay does that mean Bob can't enjoy a game of hockey/football/baseball/basketball/insert ball game here?

the gay marriage thing is debatable. personally I think there should be a distinct difference in terminology and functionality between church union and state union. If the religion in question is against gay union, that's the churches deal. The state shouldn't deny them the tax cuts and such that come from living with a life mate... but I'm not in charge... yet >.>


And where I haven't been beaten or killed (yet?) for being straight, I've gotten a lot of flack (I live in a blue state) for not wanting to 'give bi a try' :P

..and I have no idea what schoolies week is, sorry.
Heron-Marked Warriors
22-01-2006, 14:07
I've never seen a straight person going "LOOK HOW STRAIGHT I AM!!!" or a guy putting the emphasis on GIRL when they mention they have a GIRLfriend.

You clearly don't spend enough time around me :p
Upper Botswavia
22-01-2006, 14:12
Heterosexuality being flaunted: Hugh Hefner, Anna Nicole Smith, Girls Gone Wild videos and all the publicity surrounding them, sex scenes in just about any movie, PDA's, Pamela Anderson's sitcom with the men drooling over her, The Dating Game, celebrity weddings and the ensuing fuss made by the press, and so on and on and on.

Hardly a wonder that homosexuals flaunt a bit. And the truth is, most don't, but you are all up in arms about the small minority that do, and oblivious to how heterosexuality is flaunted. Why is that, do you suppose? I think it goes back to prejudice.
Maldaathi
22-01-2006, 14:23
Heterosexuality being flaunted: Hugh Hefner, Anna Nicole Smith, Girls Gone Wild videos and all the publicity surrounding them, sex scenes in just about any movie, PDA's, Pamela Anderson's sitcom with the men drooling over her, The Dating Game, celebrity weddings and the ensuing fuss made by the press, and so on and on and on.

Hardly a wonder that homosexuals flaunt a bit. And the truth is, most don't, but you are all up in arms about the small minority that do, and oblivious to how heterosexuality is flaunted. Why is that, do you suppose? I think it goes back to prejudice.

Have you thought that its because the majority is straight and we don't wanna see gay secks on our tv? If homosexuality was the majority I'd shut up, but it's not so I won't.
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 14:24
Hardly.

I live in a blue state.. meaning that even if globally they're a minority, there's a thick cluster of them where I live.

That and I'm a straight female so I don't watch girls gone wild or anything involving pamela anderson. I also don't watch TV. There hasn't been anything of merit on there for years (except maybe one or two things on Discovery and the History channel).

The only prejudice I have is against people giving me shit for not being one of the crowd. I'm one of the only straight girls I know. It's like being bisexual became some kind of fad down here for girls (along with wicca and otherkinism.. but thats another can of worms :P).

Also, I do have gay friends, and bi friends, of both genders. Seeing as there are so many who live around here (seattle's Captiol Hill being one of the gayest places I know of) it'd be hard to not have gay friends - I'd have to be some kind of hermit :P

The only ones that I object to are the ones who constantly rub it in just to watch people be uncomfortable - and don't go saying I'm making this up, I asked him directly why he kept emphasising the BOY in BOYfriend and he said it's because he likes watching the straighties squirm. But in truth there were only two people squirming: me and another friend. My other friend was feeling annoied because he didn't want to hear about my other friends anal adventures. He doesnt want to hear about ANYONES sex lives. Some folks consider it rude. I was pissed off since my other friend was getting off on anothers pain, but that just made it all the more enjoyable for the guy.
Laenis
22-01-2006, 14:31
I haven't really seen any evidence of homosexuals flaunting their sexuality any more than hetreosexuals flaunt their sexuality. It's just people tend to regard the latter as 'normal' so don't pay much attention to it, whereas regard the former as a deviation of the norm, so notice it more.

However, I also have noticed that bisexuality among young females is a bit of a fad nowadays, and that is often flaunted. The reason is probably because they've cottoned onto the fact that for some inexplicable reason a lot of guys find it a turn on, so do it just to attract guys, or to seem cosmopoliton.
Eruantalon
22-01-2006, 14:32
And where I haven't been beaten or killed (yet?) for being straight, I've gotten a lot of flack (I live in a blue state) for not wanting to 'give bi a try'
How is this relevant? Why do Americans have to drag politics into everything?
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 14:33
From what I've seen of it's either they a) arent getting enough male attention and want to double their dating possibility pool, b) want to make mom/dad angry, c) everyone else is doing it so it's cool, d) think the guys will find them hot since the possibility of a three way is now more feasable since they're also into chicks. Very few are legitimately bisexual and it makes the actual bisexuals I've met pretty peeved.
Newtsburg
22-01-2006, 14:34
I'm a gay male, and I cringe at all this pro-gay stuff in the media. What two people do in thier bedroom should stay there, regardless of sexuality. Just because "Girls Gone Wild" is being advertised on TV, that doesn't mean that "Gay Homosexual Faggots" should be as well.



Being gay is not normal. (Look at the definition of normal.) Nothing (except a drastic increase in gayness amoung the population) will change that.
Laenis
22-01-2006, 14:36
The reason is probably because they've cottoned onto the fact that for some inexplicable reason a lot of guys find it a turn on, so do it just to attract guys, or to seem cosmopoliton.

*Curses the lack of an edit ability*

I just meant to add that on the other hand, some 'bisexual' girls i've seen just seem to whine about how bad men are and how much better girls are at everything. If that's the case, why not just piss off and become a full blown lesbian? I think it's a bit silly when people determine their sexuality purely on the basis of sexism.
Hobovillia
22-01-2006, 14:36
I live in Brisbane, Australia.
that explains everything:p (I'm from NZ)
Cahnt
22-01-2006, 14:37
Just because "Girls Gone Wild" is being advertised on TV, that doesn't mean that "Gay Homosexual Faggots" should be as well.
Whyever not?
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 14:37
How is this relevant? Why do Americans have to drag politics into everything?


You misunderstand... When I say that I mean to say that the state that I live in is populated with extreme liberals... and in this country, that's just about everyone who isn't a republican. Since the red/right/republican/whateveryouwanttocallit is very anal retentive Christian run right now, that means that the gays and bi's would be on the opposing side since I'm damn sure they wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to abolish their right to legal union :P

What I SHOULD have said is "i live in an area where a lot of people are gay and bi"

My mistake.
Newtsburg
22-01-2006, 14:51
You misunderstand... When I say that I mean to say that the state that I live in is populated with extreme liberals... and in this country, that's just about everyone who isn't a republican. Since the red/right/republican/whateveryouwanttocallit is very anal retentive Christian run right now, that means that the gays and bi's would be on the opposing side since I'm damn sure they wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to abolish their right to legal union :P

What I SHOULD have said is "i live in an area where a lot of people are gay and bi"

My mistake.


I'm a conservative. I don't think homosexual unions should be recognized by the state. (I don't think heterosexual unions should either, but that's a whole different issue.)

Please stop rubising homosexuals as liberal. I am everything on your "bad" list except Christian.
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 15:06
i never said those people were bad. Thank you for putting words in my mouth, as conservatives often do in debate I've found :P ...which is funny since I'm everything on that list including Christian, but that's aside from the point.

As for state recognised unions, I agree. They took a ritual that was meant to be about love and turned it into a financial contract.. but since they're not taking that away any time soo, it's only fair that homosexual couples get the same tax breaks heterosexuals do for cohabitation for certain periods of time.
Letila
22-01-2006, 15:32
Is it just me or are there a lot of topics on homophobia all of the sudden?
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 15:35
Not just you. That's what I think drew me into the flamewar in the other thread :P
Ashmoria
22-01-2006, 16:36
I'm a gay male, and I cringe at all this pro-gay stuff in the media. What two people do in thier bedroom should stay there, regardless of sexuality. Just because "Girls Gone Wild" is being advertised on TV, that doesn't mean that "Gay Homosexual Faggots" should be as well.

its not the "bedroom stuff" that is the problem. its the normal everyday things that gay people are discriminated for. kissing in public, holding hands, introducing their sweetheart as their sweetheart, keeping a picture of your sweetheart on your desk. no one needs mention gay sexual activities, they jump into the mind of the homophobe so strongly that he wretches.

for people like bill o'reilly, keeping being gay to yourself means pretending to be straight. the mere mention of having been to a gay bar the night before fills his head with images of gay sex even if all you did was have a beer and leave.


Being gay is not normal. (Look at the definition of normal.) Nothing (except a drastic increase in gayness amoung the population) will change that.

as the tv ad used to say.... normal is what's normal for YOU.

and marriage has always been a financial contract. it has only recenly been about love also.
Noctourne Allaeriel
22-01-2006, 16:38
"and marriage has always been a financial contract. it has only recenly been about love also."

Well, if you want to back that far it's more of a reciept of ownership of a woman, but I was talking more about that spot of time after the whole dowry thing and before the whole US government awarding certain tax breaks and rules to wed couples.
Ashmoria
22-01-2006, 16:57
"and marriage has always been a financial contract. it has only recenly been about love also."

Well, if you want to back that far it's more of a reciept of ownership of a woman, but I was talking more about that spot of time after the whole dowry thing and before the whole US government awarding certain tax breaks and rules to wed couples.
as recently as the 1800 a woman owned no property of her own. everything she brought to the marriage immediately became the property of her husband.

as recently as the 1960s it was standard practice for a woman to quit whatever employment she had as soon as she got married (and if not, as soon as she had children). given her utter dependance on her husband for money, only a fool didnt take finances into consideration.
Newtsburg
22-01-2006, 22:54
its not the "bedroom stuff" that is the problem. its the normal everyday things that gay people are discriminated for. kissing in public, holding hands, introducing their sweetheart as their sweetheart, keeping a picture of your sweetheart on your desk. no one needs mention gay sexual activities, they jump into the mind of the homophobe so strongly that he wretches.

for people like bill o'reilly, keeping being gay to yourself means pretending to be straight. the mere mention of having been to a gay bar the night before fills his head with images of gay sex even if all you did was have a beer and leave.



Maybe its just me, or maybe I haven't run into any true "homophobes," but I have not run into any problems talking discreetly about my sweetheart.

And I'm with O'Reilly on the gay bar thing (if that's what he even thinks...do you have a window into his head?)--when someone mentions a "gay anything" or a "straight anything" or a "beastiality anything," my mind gets what ever images that are attached to that particular predicate...



as the tv ad used to say.... normal is what's normal for YOU.



You're viewing not being normal as if it was bad. To quote Futurama, "We're better than normal--we're ABNORMAL!"
The blessed Chris
22-01-2006, 22:57
I'm not sure what the hell I am, except for male and 16, but really fail to percieve any contention in homosexuality beyond inane adherence to a moral code estalished nigh on two millenia prevously.
Damor
22-01-2006, 23:09
I wish more men were gay..
If all men except me were gay, straight women would have no other choice than to turn to me..
Gassputia
22-01-2006, 23:16
Despite the inflammatory title this is not an anti-gay post. I'm just tired of reading all these people's interpretations of why there is so much resistance to homosexuality. It is very very simple.

Hetrosexual men are naturally and enviromentally designed to not only be in some sort of position of control but to also keep their friendship ties from interferring with sexual ties. Example:

A man is in control of sex in the general sense because if he is not erect it is not going to happen in any conventional way. This is inarguabale. It can happen anyways but these are basic deviant behaviors that don't really further the natural will for reproduction. Gay sex gives up this control and is thus subconciously scary to many hetrosexual men. Men do not want to have anyhthing "done" to them that they cannot control except in deviant behavior.

A male on male hetrosexual relationship is heavily based on the knowledge that there will never ever be a sexual infraction. You can wrestle with male friends and it makes absolutely no difference because sexuality never comes into the picture in any way. Any male that wrestles with a female who is hetrosexual cannot entirely separate the slight possibilty of sexual activity from the plutonic activity and thus cannot be entirely comfortable and at ease. With another male no one ever thinks of sex and so it can never be uncomfortable. Now if you have the idea of homosexuality included in this freedom from the otherwise oversexed mind of a male you make them uncomfortable. The idea of male on male sex is naturally abhorrent to most hetrosexuals(for many of the reasons mentioned earlier) and thus the idea that this could slip into normal hetro activities is scary.

When males make friends they often enter into an unsaid contract that says: "since we can relate to eachother and are not interested in eachother sexually we can relate without any pressure and say whatever we want as well as back eachother up in any confrontation with other males"
Females cannot fulfill this role. Homosexuals threaten certain parts of this normal role. The basic result is that homos are hated or feared by some. One can still have homosexual friends but if they were to hit on the other straight guys it would be extrodinarily uncomfortable. This makes many hetros avoid the entire situation.

I agree 100%, also males break that agreement if they don't back each other up.
Damor
22-01-2006, 23:21
That bit of contract theory just doesn't make any sense.
Sure, you may not have (much) sexual tention between hetoresexual male friends. But you risk finding your girl and best friend in the same bed. A homosexual best friend is much safer from an evolutionary standpoint. (And likewise he doesn't have to worry about you sleeping with his boyfriend if you're straight. It makes sense both ways.)
Unogal
22-01-2006, 23:23
Sorry, but I think that the original post is a ridiculous justification....

I So I am sorry to say that your post IS anti-gay, but I hope you will be able to someday get over your phobia and see that homosexuals are just people.

I couldn't agree more.

I'm hetero and I am Ok with people who are not gay. Infact, my role model, the person I try to imitate in my everyday behaviour is gay. If I had to chose a "second role model" it would be his partner.