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I would have total control over all laws, except for a jury of 12 WISE and TRUSTWORTHY men voted in office by the people, who cannot be bribed, and who could, if I begin to seem corrupt remove me from power ("absolute power corrupts absolutly," I THINK I would rule benevolently, but can I REALLY trust myself?). I would rule firmly, but kindly too. My justice system would be set up more to prevent crime, then punish the criminals. for instance, any serious crime (the ones that really hurt someone else like MUREDER for instance) would almost always get LIFE, (the rest of their natural life) and rarely would anyone get death. Marijuana would be legalized, creating copius room for REAL criminals. The ruler would be paid very little, get free food, and a modest, but comfortable household. The country would be divided up into states with very differnt laws, so all could be happy. There would be very little welfare, but adequate pensions. If I died (my rein would permanent, unless I was deemed corrupt) my son would get a free shot six-month "evaluation period" by the people to see if he was fit to rule, if not they would vote for a new ruler. If it still all eventually, my country would fall back on democracy as a defualt backup. I've told you a very brief summary my dream goverment, now let me hear yours.

The ideal government would be one filled with politicians that realise that although they have their own vision, they must also realise whose money they are spending, and that the solution to everything is not aways to tax more and spend more.

I would have total control over all laws, except for a jury of 12 WISE and TRUSTWORTHY men voted in office by the people, who cannot be bribed, and who could, if I begin to seem corrupt remove me from power ("absolute power corrupts absolutly," I THINK I would rule benevolently, but can I REALLY trust myself?). I would rule firmly, but kindly too. My justice system would be set up more to prevent crime, then punish the criminals. for instance, any serious crime (the ones that really hurt someone else like MUREDER for instance) would almost always get LIFE, (the rest of their natural life) and rarely would anyone get death. Marijuana would be legalized, creating copius room for REAL criminals. The ruler would be paid very little, get free food, and a modest, but comfortable household. The country would be divided up into states with very differnt laws, so all could be happy. There would be very little welfare, but adequate pensions. If I died (my rein would permanent, unless I was deemed corrupt) my son would get a free shot six-month "evaluation period" by the people to see if he was fit to rule, if not they would vote for a new ruler. If it still all eventually, my country would fall back on democracy as a defualt backup. I've told you a very brief summary my dream goverment, now let me hear yours.
I like Oligarchy and i dislike your Government.

noam chomsky for president of the world

Using the cow theory my ideal government is: I have 3 cows and a pig. I sell their assets and the government gives me a bit extra for being a good citizen.

My dream government is none at all. Of course, I'm an anarchist.

Enforce this: http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution.html

I used to have a dream government, but then came to realise that people wouldn't appreciate a utopian style system and would gripe about not having the right to do stupid, harmful, self distructive things... so I figured screw ruling the world.;)

I used to have a dream government, but then came to realise that people wouldn't appreciate a utopian style system and would gripe about not having the right to do stupid, harmful, self distructive things... so I figured screw ruling the world.;)
Very wise of you, Grasshopper! :D

It was that or rule a small island populated with servant robots or hordes of the undead. *shrug* :cool:

It was that or rule a small island populated with servant robots or hordes of the undead. *shrug* :cool:
LOL! Hmmm. Difficult choice, I'm sure! :D

Me, doing what I want, where I want, who I want.

Or see this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449733) thread

The centre-left governments of Canadian Prime Minister Lester B Pearson.

Mine? If it were possible, buy a bit of land, secede, and not bother with the government. Oh well, isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Utopian schemes are doubleplusungood.

Utopian schemes are doubleplusungood.

Your mom was doubleplusgood last night.

Ohh Yeah!

My dream government is minimalist, but tough.
The law only enters into effect if you try to harm another or take his property, all other matters are free of regulation. However, should the government get involved in an issue, there is no mercy or second-chances offered to law-breakers.
And there is none of this safety net stuff: if you can't cut it, you'll just die. Safety and peace breed sloth and weakness.

ain't no government like no government

Enforce this: http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution.html

even with its glaring and trivial flaws?

ain't no government like no government
Anarchy?

Some kind of pure-capitalist empire where the government rules with an iron fist when it comes to politics, law and the military but allows pretty much anything that doesn't destabilize their rule or slow economic growth. Preferably one with a large, decadent bureaucracy and upper class.

Anarchy?

yes. assuming that by that term you mean a stateless society based on mutual aid and cooperation, anyway.

yes. assuming that by that term you mean a stateless society based on mutual aid and cooperation, anyway.
That's impossible.

the ideal government is the one that doesn't exist.

One where those who claim unemployment benefit can't vote.

That's impossible.

considering that we know that such societies have existed, i'd say your definition of 'impossible' needs work.

I am a socialist-anarchist.

Meritocratic Technocracy (if its inevitable you may as well like it)

Though every time I create a utopia I always end up being the only one there;)

my ideal government would be of a small tropical island nation with a population of less than 100,000. the economy would be devoted to vice and confidential banking. sort of a swissvegas if you would.

no healthy person would be supported by the state and those who cannot obey the law would be deported.

substantial taxes would pay for free education, nice public spaces, the arts, healthcare and whatever else would benefit the common good. there would be a 4 day workweek so that everyone would have a chance to enjoy their lives.

my birthday would be a public holiday celebrated by parades and fireworks.

http://gauntlet.ucalgary.ca/~gauntlet/eg/eg2/20040408/rock.jpg

I'm in favor of Conciliar Meritocracy, a system I invented. To make a long story short, the majority of the small government is chosen by a standardized, computerized test based solely upon merit to lead, and confirmed by the Council of Seven (a small group of religious leaders who only have the ower to veto wildly immoral laws and confirm new leaders, to keep the nation out of trouble). Finally, a small portion of the government would be representatives from the populace, to ensure everyone is heard. It has the efficiency of a dictatorship, yet the checks and balances of a democracy.

Me, doing what I want, where I want, who I want.

Or see this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=449733) thread
I remember that thread... Never did use that coupon...:(

Thomas Jefferson said, "That government governs best which governs least." That's pretty much what I would go for, the least possible government. Unfortunately, there are as many different opinions about what that means as there are people.

*points and laughs*

You dream of governments? :p

my ideal government would be of a small tropical island nation with a population of less than 100,000. the economy would be devoted to vice and confidential banking. sort of a swissvegas if you would.

no healthy person would be supported by the state and those who cannot obey the law would be deported.

substantial taxes would pay for free education, nice public spaces, the arts, healthcare and whatever else would benefit the common good. there would be a 4 day workweek so that everyone would have a chance to enjoy their lives.

my birthday would be a public holiday celebrated by parades and fireworks.Sounds nice!

Thomas Jefferson said, "That government governs best which governs least." That's pretty much what I would go for, the least possible government. Unfortunately, there are as many different opinions about what that means as there are people.
Thomas Jefferson also said: "Democracy is nothing more then mob rule, where 51% of the populace can take away the rights of the other 49."

Thomas Jefferson also said: "Democracy is nothing more then mob rule, where 51% of the populace can take away the rights of the other 49."

And that's why we're a Constitutional Republic and have a Bill of Rights. It's not perfect, but what is?

Basically, a government that has no attachment to ideology or tradition and is purely motivated by the desire to make the world a nice place for all people and does so in a logical and ethical manner.

And that's why we're a Constitutional Republic and have a Bill of Rights. It's not perfect, but what is?
Nothing. But my goverment comes pretty close...in MY opinion of corse.

Basically, a government that has no attachment to ideology or tradition and is purely motivated by the desire to make the world a nice place for all people and does so in a logical and ethical manner.

That is contradictory. The application of logic, whether we like it or not, is affected by ideology. Likewise, ethics cannot be seperated from tradition.

Either a feudal system headed by an all-powerful mage king aided by a band of loyal Borgs to assimilate revolutionaries and evangelists; or a demigod led theocracy located somewhere in the Eastern hemisphere, I can't decide which.

My ideal government would be a tiny libertarian one, beause it would be both economically awesome and socially unfettered.

...the land is divided into Provinces, each having it's own Suzerain, known as King or Queen. Certain cities - like the capital - would be provinces themselves.

There would be two legislative houses - the House of Representatives (proportional representation) and the Senate (fixed number per province).
The Head of Government would be the Chancellor, who serves ex officio as Lord of the Senate. This position would be filled by the leader of the party with the majority of seats in the Senate.

Then, the Kings and Queens of each Province would meet in a third, supreme legislative house, the High Council of Regnants. I would be King of one of the nicer Provinces, Prince of the province that is the capital city and Grand Duke of another. I would also hold the title of High King of [insert nation name here], an hereditary title that will pass down the generations of my family.

There will be a Supreme Court, with different levels. The highest appeal court will be, like the House of Lords, the High Council of Regnants.

It will be a pacifist country and the possession and use of firearms and other weapons is strictly prohibited.

There will be a celebration on the anniversary of the declaration of our independence, which will also happen to be my birthday ;) and the calendar will be reformed into thirteen 28-day long months and one festival day. The first day of the year will be my birthday/independence day.

There will be many civil rights and liberties, and gay marriage will be legal, and political freedoms will be guaranteed by a Constitution where all power is vested in the High King [that would be me], but is given back to the people in an act of humility.

I've got it all planned out...

My ideal government is a really simple idea, direct democracy. Every person 18 and older has one vote and once a week the entire populace votes on new laws ,or whether to abolish old laws, or whether to try a whole new system of gov. It would all be up to the people. All voting would take place on the net through your secured voter ID which would also be the place where the great forum is at where people can discuss their ideas and hear other's ideas. There would be no need for representatives whom just get in the way, because the people can represent themselves just fine! There wouldn't be mob rule because a constitution, with its bill of rights will be drafted upon the begining of this great social experimnet. No rights can be voted off the bill of rights but they can be added. Also the voting system will have double majorites and such. And different regions of the country can have different laws. So pretty much everything is decided and voted upon by the people.

That is contradictory. The application of logic, whether we like it or not, is affected by ideology. Likewise, ethics cannot be seperated from tradition.

I think you are rather mistaken there. One problem in modern politics is that governments do whatever their ideology suggests, instead of looking at the specific situation, and thinking "what will have the best results for the people involved?" As for ethics, you are getting confused with religious morals I think. I was thinking more along the lines of utilitarianism.

I remember that thread... Never did use that coupon...:(

It's still valid.

I think you are rather mistaken there. One problem in modern politics is that governments do whatever their ideology suggests, instead of looking at the specific situation, and thinking "what will have the best results for the people involved?"

As for ethics, you are getting confused with religious morals I think. I was thinking more along the lines of utilitarianism.

There are a large number of people that do, in fact, do what ever their ideology would suggest for their ideology's sake, which is quite unfortunate, as you say. Thankfully they do not represent everyone!

Utilitarianism is based both upon tradition and ideology. As I was pointing out, what we believe is ethical is inseperably tied to what we believe about other issues. Religious morals are also bound together with tradition and ideology, as you hinted at, but I believe all ethics follow the same pattern, whether to greater or lesser degrees.

One of the following:
A true Jewish theocracy (though you might not like it)
Since that is unlikely, I'll take the current US government system, but with the 23rd Amendment repealed, and the Founding Fathers back in power, with Ben Franklin the Secretary of Energy.

Thomas Jefferson said, "That government governs best which governs least." That's pretty much what I would go for, the least possible government. Unfortunately, there are as many different opinions about what that means as there are people.
Yes but the same guy also said... I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.