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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060121/wl_nm/politics_dc_1

"Canada's political leaders embarked on a final weekend blitz on Saturday before Monday's election, which is expected to return the Conservatives to power after more than 12 years in the political wilderness."

Can't say I'm ovejoyed since the conservatives just want to attack different rights than the liberals do. Maybe someday we'll see libertarians running a country somewhere and get the hell out of our wallets, bedrooms and personal responsibility. However it is good to see that there are plenty of sensible Canadians who know when change is needed.

Canadians will get the government they vote for. At this point, my best hope is for a coservative minoroity with a strong NDP contingent, that won't last too long. Harper isn' the terrifying eddifice of neo-concervatism some people are scared of, but I definately hope he doen't have the time or power in the house to implement his loopy social agenda.

Can't say I'm ovejoyed since the conservatives just want to attack different rights than the liberals do. Maybe someday we'll see libertarians running a country somewhere and get the hell out of our wallets, bedrooms and personal responsibility. However it is good to see that there are plenty of sensible Canadians who know when change is needed.

Meh. Much ado about nothing. So the political philosophy changed. Wow. Guess it could never happen again.

Libertarians will never really control much until they drop the patronizing attitude and stop muttering crap like "personal responsibility"

People want to be led, not judged......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060121/wl_nm/politics_dc_1

"Canada's political leaders embarked on a final weekend blitz on Saturday before Monday's election, which is expected to return the Conservatives to power after more than 12 years in the political wilderness."

Can't say I'm ovejoyed since the conservatives just want to attack different rights than the liberals do. Maybe someday we'll see libertarians running a country somewhere and get the hell out of our wallets, bedrooms and personal responsibility. However it is good to see that there are plenty of sensible Canadians who know when change is needed.
Yes, just as soon as the magical gnomes take power, then we'll all be living in Eutopia...

'til then, best we put total whackjobs in power to remind us how much better things will be someday when the magical gnomes take their rightful place as our masters.

I just hope the conservatives don't fuck up too badly.

I dunno, I don't like the conservatives one little bit, socially they stand for everything I hate. However, the liberals have been running a shitty campaign and they really could have bargained with the other parties to keep their minority government afloat, but they didn't. Plus the negative campaign ads are a total turnoff. (Even if I agreed with the conservative party viewpoint, I wouldn't vote for them for that reason too) And really, the liberals have probably been in power long enough.

So like I said, hopefully the conservatives don't fuck things up too much.

I just hope the conservatives don't fuck up too badly.

I dunno, I don't like the conservatives one little bit, socially they stand for everything I hate. However, the liberals have been running a shitty campaign and they really could have bargained with the other parties to keep their minority government afloat, but they didn't. Plus the negative campaign ads are a total turnoff. (Even if I agreed with the conservative party viewpoint, I wouldn't vote for them for that reason too) And really, the liberals have probably been in power long enough.

So like I said, hopefully the conservatives don't fuck things up too much.I'm not Canadian so please indulge me this one time, I promise not to comment about your country's politics on a regular basis.

How much worse could they do? The Grits have turned the government into their own ATM. It's sad that you're disappointed they couldn't cobble together a coalition and continue to steal your money. They betrayed the trust of the people that put them in office. They are crooks and whether or not they are NDP, Liberal or Conservative shouldn't make a bit of difference. Throw the book at them and put them under the jail.

Same thing goes for the Abramoff scandal in the US. I'm a Republican and I realize more Republicans took money from the guy than Democrats. It's the same thing-I didn't vote Republican so that those assholes could buy a new house. Screw them to the wall and set an example.

How much worse could they do, you ask. Look, if you're asking that question, chances are you don't have a clue as to how much worse they really could do.

canadian politics is a complete mess. I think we should do away with it all and prop up a benevolent dictator.

um. don't look at katurkalurkmurkastan as an example though...

real=opressive and undemocratic? Wow, I need to review my definitions...

How much worse could they do, you ask. Look, if you're asking that question, chances are you don't have a clue as to how much worse they really could do.

So you're more worried about what could happen than what has actually been documented to have happened?

So you're more worried about what could happen than what has actually been documented to have happened?
Far more concerned, yes. Particularly at thoughts of (any party) having a majority government. Majorities are rarely, if ever, "good" in Canadian politics.

How much worse could they do?
Well, let's see, Harper has expressed admiration for Mike Harris' policies in Ontario, which left us with a huge defecit while the fedeal Liberal party has been turning out surpluses for the past 10 years or so. They could reverse the gay marriage legislation etc

The Grits have turned the government into their own ATM. It's sad that you're disappointed they couldn't cobble together a coalition and continue to steal your money. They betrayed the trust of the people that put them in office. They are crooks and whether or not they are NDP, Liberal or Conservative shouldn't make a bit of difference. Throw the book at them and put them under the jail.
We have to wait for the rest of the Gomery report to find out who is culpable and for what, exactly.

Majorities are rarely, if ever, "good" in Canadian politics.I'm not even going to pretend to know what you're talking about, so please indulge this lying, thieving, stupid Texan hound and splain it to me. Seriously, my dad works for a Canadian company (Trimac) so this does affect me in a lot of ways.

When the ruling party has a majority of seats in the house of Commons, it means that if they vote on issues as a bloc, there can be no means to prevent the ruling party from pushing through whatever bill they see fit. Provided the leader of the ruling majority party is more-or-less benevolent and populist, there's no problem, per se. But with an ideologue with numerous chips on his shoulders and a hidden agenda to boot, and all Hell breaks loose.

How do you suppose we got pressed into that Godawful rat-bastard Free Trade agreement with that pack of lying thieving hounds (the US) back in the 80s? Think Trudeau had anything to do with it? Think again. That was courtesy of Mr. Never-saw-a-fat-wad-of-currency-I-didn't-like Mulroney and his utterly relentless pro-multinational, anti-human being take on Life, the Universe, and Everything.

I'm not even going to pretend to know what you're talking about, so please indulge this stupid Texan and splain it to me. Seriously, my dad works for a Canadian company (Trimac) so this does affect me in a lot of ways.
In Canada, elections work by having each province divided into a number of ridings and in each riding, a member of each party that's running in the riding runs for the seat. Not every party runs in every riding, the Bloc doesnt' run outside Quebec, for instance. But yeah, so the people in each riding elect their representative and the party that gets the most of their representatives into parliment wins the election.
However, if the party with the most representatives does not control at least half the seats, they are a minority government and generally have to work with the other parties to stay in power, lest the opposition calls a vote of non-confidence and force an election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060121/wl_nm/politics_dc_1

"Canada's political leaders embarked on a final weekend blitz on Saturday before Monday's election, which is expected to return the Conservatives to power after more than 12 years in the political wilderness."Dude, this is not the same Conservative party as the one 12 years ago. Btw it's the REFORM Party, not the CONSERVATIVE party

Can't say I'm ovejoyed since the conservatives just want to attack different rights than the liberals do. Maybe someday we'll see libertarians running a country somewhere and get the hell out of our wallets, bedrooms and personal responsibility. However it is good to see that there are plenty of sensible Canadians who know when change is needed.So now you like Canada because it's turning Conservative? Just like Germany? You like countries that have right-wing American friendly goverments? BS!

Canada - Welcome back to the real world!
More like "Canada - Welcome to a different world!" :rolleyes:

Change is definitely necessary. However considering that Harper's neo-conservative party doesn't seem to have the slightest clue as to what Canada is about, I hoped that change could come from the left. After what Bob Rae did to Ontario with the NDP I think it will still take a few decades to get that cleared up and get Ontario and Canada seeking an alternative on the left rather than the right.

Harper's conservatives are leading in the polls with the most extreme-right wing platform ever presented in Canada. Considering the dissapointment with the LIberal Party and it's pathetic campaign the conservative radicalism is the reason why the polls aren't indicating 55% to 60% for the conservatives. I have absolutely no doubt about this.

I am supporting the liberals and I believe that they can still win.

We have to wait for the rest of the Gomery report to find out who is culpable and for what, exactly.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? It wasn't the NDP, it wasn't the Conservatives, it was the Liberals,L-I-B-E-R-A-L-S who treated the treasury like their own personal piggy bank. Let me get this right, as long as we have a good economy you are willing to put up with a corrupt government.The massive surplus was earned through high taxes, both personal and corporate, a spike in energy prices,and a unwillingness to spend money on healthcare,the military,provincial equalization payments,they have a surplus in the UIC fund yet refuse to lower the payroll tax. They save that for elections so that they can bribe us with our own money:mad: I am glad the Conservative Party is getting elected, personally i hate the Liberals almost as much as you fear Harper.BOO-CONSERVATIVE IN POWER - RUN FOR THE HILLS-HE'S GOING TO GET YOU:)

Are you serious? It wasn't the NDP, it wasn't the Conservatives, it was the Liberals,L-I-B-E-R-A-L-S who treated the treasury like their own personal piggy bank. Let me get this right, as long as we have a good economy you are willing to put up with a corrupt government.
None of those people that were involved in the corruption will be running in this election.

The massive surplus was earned through high taxes, both personal and corporate, a spike in energy prices,and a unwillingness to spend money on healthcare,the military,provincial equalization payments,they have a surplus in the UIC fund yet refuse to lower the payroll tax.They did what had to be done. However the surpluss budgets were coming in way before gas prices spiked. Several years before. Knocking their record is pointless. The Liberals provided stellar governments. The AdScam is outrageous and they were punished for it in the 2004 elections.

I am glad the Conservative Party is getting elected.
I have voted for conservatives in the past several times at every level of government. Provincial and Federal. However Harper's platform is the most radical right-wing party platform I've ever read of any canadian party. This is not the same Conservative Party of great men like Joe Clark, Jean Charest, Mike Harris or even Brian Mulroney. I wouldn't vote for this kind of platform if my life depended on it. Perhaps you have the luxury of not being able to remember the Harper of 1997, or the Harper who insulted Canada in front of his neoconservative pals in Montreal. I don't have that luxury.

"However considering that Harper's neo-conservative party doesn't seem to have the slightest clue as to what Canada is about, I hoped that change could come from the left."

And you think the NDP does? In my opinion it is the left, not the right, that will ultimately send this country straight down the tube.

real=opressive and undemocratic? Wow, I need to review my definitions...
Don't worry about it, B0zy hasn't been attached to the real world for a while now.

Look at it this way, you have the liberals that have screwed us over and will continue to screw us over but keep civil liberties in tact. Or the conservatives that promise not to screw us over but will while in the process take away rights, send us back to ohhh, about the 50's, and bend over with a “insert Bush's [blank] here” sign on their arse.

I'm so looking forward to Monday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060121/wl_nm/politics_dc_1

"Canada's political leaders embarked on a final weekend blitz on Saturday before Monday's election, which is expected to return the Conservatives to power after more than 12 years in the political wilderness."

Can't say I'm ovejoyed since the conservatives just want to attack different rights than the liberals do. Maybe someday we'll see libertarians running a country somewhere and get the hell out of our wallets, bedrooms and personal responsibility. However it is good to see that there are plenty of sensible Canadians who know when change is needed.
How does this signify a return to the real world for Canada? Why do you care about what rights the Canadian people vote to take away from themselves?


So now you like Canada because it's turning Conservative? Just like Germany? You like countries that have right-wing American friendly goverments? BS!

Merkel is hardly any more right-wing than Scroeder was. Their parties are similar enough. Contrary to the image that some paint her as a neo-Thatcher, she is not an lickspittle for America. She has recently been clashing with Bush on the necessity of Guantanamo Bay Prison.

How does this signify a return to the real world for Canada? Why do you care about what rights the Canadian people vote to take away from themselves?

I can't see the Conservatives taking away any of my rights, meanwhile what I can and have seen is the Liberals squandering my tax dollars. :mad:

I can't see the Conservatives taking away any of my rights, meanwhile what I can and have seen is the Liberals squandering my tax dollars. :mad:
Let's not get into this. I'm not taking sides. I was just asking B0zzy why he cared so much that Libertarians get into power in Canada (given that he doesn't live there).

I can't see the Conservatives taking away any of my rights, meanwhile what I can and have seen is the Liberals squandering my tax dollars. :mad:

You should be concerned about everyones rights, not just your own.

How does this signify a return to the real world for Canada? Why do you care about what rights the Canadian people vote to take away from themselves?

I am entitled to an opinion regardless of affiliation. I am even more entitled considering my spouse is a Canadian citizen. That makes half of my family (in-laws) Canadian, eh.



Merkel is hardly any more right-wing than Scroeder was. Their parties are similar enough. Contrary to the image that some paint her as a neo-Thatcher, she is not an lickspittle for America. She has recently been clashing with Bush on the necessity of Guantanamo Bay Prison.


The Canadian government of late has seemed more concerned with relations with France than with the US. This may be, in part, due to the Frenchies running everything. Many people are sick of their schtick. The liberals seem to take bashing the States as a political platform rather than a constructive process. They forget that many Canadians like (or often love) US citizens and the government they elected. (going back to your first question at me)

(gross oversimplification text on) The rights the conservatives will take are more along the lines of private choices (sexuality and morality). The liberals took the Canadian medical system and trashed it and raised taxes to laughable levels. (gross oversimplification font off)

The liberals seem to take bashing the States as a political platform rather than a constructive process. They forget that many Canadians like (or often love) US citizens and the government they elected. (going back to your first question at me)

(gross oversimplification text on) The rights the conservatives will take are more along the lines of private choices (sexuality and morality). The liberals took the Canadian medical system and trashed it and raised taxes to laughable levels. (gross oversimplification font off)
I agree. The Liberals don't deserve to be in government after using taxes as their own private ATM. On the other hand I don't share your faith that the Conservatives won't take advantage of Canadians' money when it suits them.