NationStates Jolt Archive


Let Cuba Play Ball or Not Poll

La Habana Cuba
21-01-2006, 11:00
I can understand the concept of lets play ball and keep politics out of it, on the other hand to governments' like
Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Venezuela and the former
Soviet Union and its former communist socialist allies
sports was and is a part of politics.

There are many news articles in the Miami Herald and other sources for you all to post and comment on this issue.

As a native Cuban i will vote in the poll to let Cuba play ball only if they allow all americans and Cubans to visit and perform in both nations.

I know that I will loose overwhelmingly in the poll, just like I loose in all polls on putting presures on Fidel Castro,
but I will use this opportunity to precent the other side of the story.

When Cubans come to perform in Miami and other parts of the USA to Cuban American and other Americans, some
Cuban Americans protest and others buy their tickets and
attend thier performances despite thier political, economic and social diffrences with Fidel Castro.

And sometimes some defect from Cuba.

But on the other hand, the Cuban government would not allow Cuban American baseball players or artists to visit and perform in Cuba.

The music of Willy Chirino, Gloria Estefan and the late Celia Cruz is forbidden in Cuba, yet Cubans in Cuba, copy,
buy, sell, trade and listen to thier music through the extensive illegal black market.

As an exsample, I remember once when Gloria Estefan was to sing at an olympics in the USA, and the Cuban government representatives protested and caused a riot.

The late Celia Cruz had to go to the Guantanamo naval base to sing in Cuba, her music was broadcast through loud speakers to the Cubans who had gathered as close
to the base as possible to hear her sing the Guantanamera,
her dream was to sing in a free Cuba, one day she will through videos.

Just recently on Saturday November 19, 2005
Willy Chirino performed a concert that was broadcast to Cuba through Radio Marti and TV Marti that was expected
to get through to Cuba despite Cuban Government jamming efforts.

If the Cuban government wants all thier baseball players, artists and other professionals to visit and perform in the USA it should allow all American baseball, artists and other professionals visit and perform in Cuba, but I bet
Fidel Castro would not accept that fair deal, what do you all think?

As far as the issue of signal broadcasting from the USA to Cuba and protests by the Cuban government goes, I can assure you that every day Cuban American radio stations in Miami get signal jammed by the Cuban government because they can be heard in Cuba without even trying,
sometimes you cant even listen to the radio properly because of Cuban government jamming, they play loud music or noise over the announcers voice or just jam it.

And Cuban American radio stations cannot respond back because they have to follow American regulations as to the amount of power they can use, while the Cuban government uses all the power Fidel Castro allows and then protests American broadcasting to Cuba.

Just recently I got a call from a family member in Miami who got a call from a family member in Cuba saying that they had seen a family member of ours on Cuban TV
beign interviewed in Miami about the hurricanes in Florida.

I share with you this personal story to prove to you all that
sometimes american broadcasting signals do reach Cuba sometimes without even trying.

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Posted on Sat, Jan. 21, 2006

Cuba's powerhouse baseball team got the sign to ''Play Ball!'' BY OSCAR CORRAL AND PABLO
BACHELETpbachelet@MiamiHerald.com
WASHINGTON -

Cuba's powerhouse baseball team got the sign to ''Play Ball!'' after President Bush personally agreed Friday to let the squad take part in the World Baseball Classic, a first-of-its-kind clash of baseball titans from around the globe.

The catch for Havana: It cannot profit from the event or send too many security guards.

A month ago, the Cubans were told they were not welcome in the United States, where many of the games, including the championship game, will be played. That decision pleased Cuban-American hard-liners, but not Major League Baseball, which sees the 16-team tournament as a showcase event and affirmation of the sport's growing popularity outside the United States.

The Cuban team has not played on American soil since beating the Orioles in an exhibition game at Baltimore's Camden Yards in 1999.

Under the first application for a U.S. Treasury Department license, Cuba would have received some profits from the tournament. The Bush administration has been tightening sanctions on Cuba in recent years to deny resources to the island's communist government.

But on Friday, Treasury reversed its decision after U.S. officials said President Bush, a baseball fan and former part-owner of the Texas Rangers, personally agreed to the deal after the limits on money and personnel were imposed.

''The president wanted to see the matter resolved in a positive way,'' said Frederick Jones, a spokesman for the White House's National Security Council. ``Our concerns were making sure that no money was going to the Castro regime and that the [tourney] . . . would not be misused by the regime as a tool for espionage.''

Treasury worked closely with the State Department and World Baseball Classic Inc., the firm organizing the event, to ''reach a licensable agreement that upholds both the legal scope and the spirit of the sanctions,'' said Treasury spokeswoman Molly Millerwise.

The deal limits the Cuban team to 30 players and 15 coaches and support staff, said a Bush administration official who requested anonymity to discuss delicate negotiations. An additional 21 people will be allowed to accompany the team, including members of the island's baseball federation, journalists and a small security contingent. All will be vetted to exclude objectionable persons before U.S. visas are issued.

Each Cuban player will be entitled to $100 per day from the tournament organizers, said a congressional aide familiar with the issue. U.S. government officials declined to confirm the amount, but one said the license specifies that the Cuban government cannot obtain any money from the games.

Havana officials agreed to the limitations in a contract attached to the license that one official described as ''bulky.'' Cuba earlier had offered to donate any proceeds from the tournament to victims of Hurricane Katrina, or skip any proceeds altogether.

Cuban-American lawmakers had lobbied strongly for barring the Cuban squad from the tournament, which will be played in March to allow professional ballplayers to participate. Teams from the Dominican Republic, Venezuela and other countries will be loaded with Major League talent, ensuring a high level of competition.

Cuba has frequently triumphed in international tournaments, including the Olympics, but seldom has had to face Major League-caliber opponents.

Miami Republican Rep. Lincoln Díaz-Balart, who wanted Cuba to be represented by players who had defected, called the decision ''lamentable and unfortunate'' and said it would allow Havana ``to utilize a sporting event for propaganda purposes while Castro's security agents keep a watchful eye on the Cuban players to prevent their escape to freedom.''

Cuban sports teams are often accompanied by security agents on trips abroad because of fears of defections. Díaz-Balart said he would help any Cuban player who wanted to defect.

Some, like Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez, who was born on the island, had proposed having Cuba represented by a team of Cuban American ballplayers.

The ruling on the World Baseball Classic came just weeks after Cuban Americans in South Florida were angered by the Coast Guard's decision to return to Cuba 15 migrants who had reached a piling on an old Florida Keys bridge.

Major League Baseball officials were clearly pleased with the decision. ''The presence of Cuba in the tournament ensures the highest level of competition for the tournament which, for the first time, will bring together the very best players throughout the world in a single event,'' said Bob DuPuy, MLB president and chief operating officer in an e-mail response.

The Cubans are expected to play in a four-team qualifying round in San Juan, Puerto Rico, March 12-15. If they win that round, and a second round, they would advance to semifinals in San Diego on March 18. The championship game will be played March 20 in San Diego.

The rejection of the first license application sparked an outcry from critics who argued that sports and politics should not be mixed. And its reversal Friday was hailed by critics of U.S. economic sanctions on the island.

''Allowing Cuba to play in this baseball tournament was the right decision, both for the fans and for international relations,'' said Rep. José Serrano, a New York Democrat who enjoys friendly relations with Cuba and signed a letter with 90 other lawmakers urging that Cuba be allowed to play ball.

But despite the resolution to the baseball issue, tensions between the two nations are likely to continue dogging Cuba's participation in U.S. sporting events.

On Friday, Cuba's official Granma newspaper carried a story protesting a U.S. decision to deny visas to two cyclists and their trainer to take part in the third stage of the World Cycling Cup qualifiers. José Peláez, head of the Cuban Cycling Federation, was quoted as saying that the denial violates international sporting regulations that oblige host nations to guarantee entry to athletes.

Miami Herald sports writer Clark Spencer contributed to this report from Miami.
Jeruselem
21-01-2006, 12:24
Let the Cubans come. If USA the trash the Cuban team during gameplay, it's a win for USA.
Rotovia-
21-01-2006, 14:06
In an age when politics have infiltraited so many levels of society, let's keep it out of just one recreational activity. Let 'em play
La Habana Cuba
21-01-2006, 19:25
In an age when politics have infiltraited so many levels of society, let's keep it out of just one recreational activity. Let 'em play

Thank you Rotovia for your post and vote which are always welcomed, even though we usually disagree you have always proven to be a friend.
Megaloria
21-01-2006, 19:30
Play Ball, Cuba.

I got to play a little down there when I was in Cienfuegos for three months. They love baseball more than every other sport combined, andthey're wicked-good at it to boot.
La Habana Cuba
21-01-2006, 19:33
After reading the other side of the story even if you disagree, at least now you can understand why many Cuban Americans think the way they do about
American Cuban relations.

From an American Citizen's perspective I can agree with the concept of lets play ball and keep politics out of it,
from a personal native Cuban perspective based on personal experiences I can disagree with the concept.

Anyway on the Cuba, Fidel Castro issue,
I do not consider it a political issue, but an issue
of good and bad.
Ashmoria
21-01-2006, 19:35
let them play and stop all the bullshit restrictions.
The Nazz
21-01-2006, 19:47
Came out this morning--US lifted travel restrictions (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10943151/from/RS.4/). My guess is that, as the article mentions, the IOC told the US that they'd have a lot of trouble winning future Olympic bids if they didn't back down on this.
La Habana Cuba
21-01-2006, 20:13
let them play and stop all the bullshit restrictions.

The Cuban government or I should say Fidel Castro has recently announced that Cuban players who defected to the USA to play in Major League Baseball will not be allowed to play for Cuba.

Since they defected the Cuban government it makes sense,
but from a personal native Cuban perspective the issue is much larger than that.

Like the forbidden music of Willy Chirino, Gloria Estefan and the Late Celia Cruz among others, Cuban artists who support the Cuban govermnet beign allowed into the USA
to perform before Cuban American audiences and other Americans while the Cuban government bans the music of
Cuban Americans.

The Cuban government representatives protesting with a riot at an olympics game in the USA where Gloria Estefan was to sing.

Like I posted if the Cuban government wants all its baseball players, artists and other professionals to visit
and perform in the USA it should allow all American baseball players, artists and other professionals visit
and perform in Cuba, but I bet Fidel Castro would not
accept that fair deal.

Now even if you disagree with me, you can understand
why many Cuban Americans think and feel the way they do.
Turquoise Days
21-01-2006, 20:29
They let Audioslave in.
Neo Kervoskia
21-01-2006, 21:13
You have to let the Cubans play. Without Cuba, this "International Baseball Tourny" loses all credibility.
Drunk commies deleted
21-01-2006, 21:16
You have to let Cuba play. This isn't about politics, it's about Baseball. Cuba, along with the USA, Dominican Republic, and Japan is one of the big baseball countries. It would be a crime to exclude them.
Minoriteeburg
21-01-2006, 21:20
Let em play ball. Baseball has nothing to do with politics. At least it shouldn't.
The Nazz
21-01-2006, 21:22
An update--as I noted above, the Cuban team will be playing in the classic.
Psylos
21-01-2006, 21:31
Sport is all about dollars in the west. There was a very good football (soccer) team near my home. They are out of the competition now for financial problems. Trust me the football stinks but you don't see it because it is behind the scene. You think there is no politics in sports in the west? Think again. Look at Chelsea. They put pornographic amount of dollars in it and most matches are bought one way or another.
Peisandros
21-01-2006, 21:53
We had this sort of thing in 1981 when South Africa came on a rugby tour. There were huge protests that our Government let them come and decided to keep politics out of sport. I think that in that situation it was a bad idea to let them come.
However, let Cuba play ball.