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Isn't it the Devil's "job" to decieve mankind? What if the "God" so many believed in was actually the "Devil" they so despised?

Wouldn't the Bible (Koran, Torah, etc.) and organised religion be the greatest deception?

Isn't it the Devil's "job" to decieve mankind? What if the "God" so many believed in was actually the "Devil" they so despised?

Wouldn't the Bible (Koran, Torah, etc.) and organised religion be the greatest deception?

Who cares. Neither of them exist anyway.:rolleyes:

Although I believe in God, I do not believe in the popular concept of a physical devil or evil. I believe that the dual nature of humankind, the ability to be spiritual and evil exists strictly within the human spirit. The evil that is often considered an outside force that tempts us is our ego or material nature and is not a physical "devil."

Here is a thought related to that topic:



http://www.deism.com/adamandeve.htm



Funny thought, really. One might wonder whether the show of false religion 'spirituality by opposition to others' is a perversion of religion's supposed ideal: unifying people by an inspiration to try to better themselves than they might otherwise believe themselves capable of. That, and trying to find a meaning to existence, in whatever form.

Sure. Why not.

It's possible, didn't Jesus condemn organised religion and praying in public? So the Bible, Koran, etc, etc, is everything he disapproved of

I am not sure it is fair to say that Jesus condemned orginased religion. He certianly didnot like those who used words and did not act spiritual.

It's possible, didn't Jesus condemn organised religion and praying in public? So the Bible, Koran, etc, etc, is everything he disapproved of


No he condemned hypocrasy of praying loudly in public but not doing anything to help your fellow man, and/or not following the teachings of God.


Though this thought is an intresting one I would probably say not. There are some intresting ancient Jewish texts which suggest that the devil never really fell from heaven but that God created him w/the specific job of tempting in mind, and that the devil isn't really evil its just kinda his job. (Not sure on the specifics of those so don't nail me to a cross (no pun intended) if that doesn't line up if you find something out about those) But I would say that the devil does physically exist and he helps bring out the natural evil in people but he also has some physical power.

*Swats Picard* Thou *Swats Picard* Shalt *Swats Picard* Not *Swats Picard* Rip *Swats Picard* Off *Swats Picard* deSade's *Swats Picard* Justine

Kinda like the theory of vampires, I read an intresting book that they aren't physical bloodsuckers, but exist as spirits that feed off causing chaos and violence. Intresting story.

*Swats Picard* Thou *Swats Picard* Shalt *Swats Picard* Not *Swats Picard* Rip *Swats Picard* Off *Swats Picard* deSade's *Swats Picard* Justine
Mommy used to read that story to me every night when I was but a lad.

No he condemned hypocrasy of praying loudly in public but not doing anything to help your fellow man, and/or not following the teachings of God.


[QUOTE]Though this thought is an intresting one I would probably say not. There are some intresting ancient Jewish texts which suggest that the devil never really fell from heaven but that God created him w/the specific job of tempting in mind, and that the devil isn't really evil its just kinda his job. (Not sure on the specifics of those so don't nail me to a cross (no pun intended) if that doesn't line up if you find something out about those) But I would say that the devil does physically exist and he helps bring out the natural evil in people but he also has some physical power.[/QUOTE


Isn't human ego then the same as the "devi" that tempts us. I believe another way to understand the Jewish texts is that they were trying to explain something that people would never understand if they talked about human ego. Instead the story about the devil being created by God and his job is to tempt us is easier for people of that time and place to understand.

Mommy used to read that story to me every night when I was but a lad.
And yet, you never learned the central lesson, did you? That is why you must be punished.

Sure. Why not.
Damn. Beat me to it

Isn't it the Devil's "job" to decieve mankind? What if the "God" so many believed in was actually the "Devil" they so despised?

Wouldn't the Bible (Koran, Torah, etc.) and organised religion be the greatest deception?If the devil did it you'd think that he'd give himself a better appearance. In Genesis he's kinda responsiable for introducing sin into the world for example. If nothing else you'd he wouldn't be the one tricks us so people couldn't come up with such silly theories.

The devil might be signifigantly powerful relative to us, but there ain't no way he could make all the accurate prophecies the Bible has on a whole lot of highly specific instances, such as the destruction of Tyre, Sidom, Babylon, etc. etc., all in extremely specific manners mind you, then of course there's that aching question of what God would of planned to do when His worshiper count has been at 0 ever since the Bible was first written down in some form or another.

If the devil did it you'd think that he'd give himself a better appearance. In Genesis he's kinda responsiable for introducing sin into the world for example.

So ? If the devil wrote the Bible his goal would have been to influence us to behave a certain way. I do not see why he should portrade himself as noble; he just has to guide us on the "wrong path". *God* could be the vain one.

If nothing else you'd he wouldn't be the one tricks us so people couldn't come up with such silly theories.

Just like God does not allow us to doubt him and enfuses every human being with absolute certainty ?

The devil might be signifigantly powerful relative to us, but there ain't no way he could make all the accurate prophecies the Bible has on a whole lot of highly specific instances, such as the destruction of Tyre, Sidom, Babylon, etc. etc., all in extremely specific manners mind you,

You mean prophecies made after the fact had taken place or concerning things we cannot verify actually happened ?
And of course ... WHY could the devil not be this powerful ? Remember we are assuming he is the one who wrote all the texts describing him.

then of course there's that aching question of what God would of planned to do when His worshiper count has been at 0 ever since the Bible was first written down in some form or another.

Weep ? But he did give free will.

Isn't it the Devil's "job" to decieve mankind? What if the "God" so many believed in was actually the "Devil" they so despised?

Wouldn't the Bible (Koran, Torah, etc.) and organised religion be the greatest deception?if there is a "Devil" then there is a "God." and he would not sit by and let the "Devil" run rampant.

if there is a "Devil" then there is a "God." and he would not sit by and let the "Devil" run rampant.

Free will ?