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Pres. Kenedy said "Do not ask what your country will do for you, but what can you do for your country" and DISAGREE COMPLETELY

Governmants were made to help PEOPLE! It doesnt make any sense otherwise!!

we spend our time argueing over morality and theocracy, but why should a government even be involved in decisions like that???

A government should not center around controversy! A government should not be so beauracratic! A government should not be able to war on another government!!!!

War. There is another issue. Governments should have no say in war, beacuse governments dont fight them. Governments use non-government people to fight with oter non-government people.

Its so pointless!!!! I dont understand how we can put up with this?!

I dont understand why we dont just tell the goverments to stop it. They are just people who think they are greater than others.

Which reminds me, WHY DO ALL NS THREADS TURN INTO BUSH ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!!ACK!

If you don't like something, CHANGE IT!!!! or at least try. Calling someone an idiot on an internet forum doesn't accomplish anything.

so that my speil i guess...
:rolleyes:

Again?

I hate editing my posts too but it is no reason to make another one even if it is an improvment.

Sometimes Wars do help people.

If you don't appreciate that "ALL NS THREADS" turn into political debates, usually centered around Bush, then go somewhere else to chat, or just don't enter those threads. You think creating this one is going to turn out any differently? Of course not. You've just become your own hatred.

And I'm not sure what sheltered life you live in a faraway cave, but people HAVE been telling the government to just stop doing the things they don't like. They've been doing it for ages upon ages. It's called protest, and the jury's still out on whether or not it works, but most are inclined to say it doesn't. And while calling somebody an idiot on an internet forum may not change things, who are you to just blindly assume that this is the only attempt people are making? How many times have YOU been arrested at a public protest outside of a government building? Because I'm willing to bet my count is much higher -- so don't you dare act so condescending without prior knowledge.

Simonist']If you don't appreciate that "ALL NS THREADS"turn into political debates, usually centered around Bush, then go somewhere else to chat, or just don't enter those threads.

You would appreciate a thread called "I Like My Cat" turning into the same old flame war? You would appreciate the thread being hijacked into something that is unoriginal and annoying?

Also, I'm not saying I don't like political discussions. I enjoy them. I don't enjoy threads that get twisted around into pro/anti Bush flame wars. They are not "usually" centered around Bush, they always are! And I would go to a different thread, but guess what I see?

Simonist']You think creating this one is going to turn out any differently? Of course not. You've just become your own hatred.

Of course it won't turn out differently, but am I not allowed to voice my opinion? And how does one become their own hatred?

Simonist']And I'm not sure what sheltered life you live in a faraway cave, but people HAVE been telling the government to just stop doing the things they don't like. They've been doing it for ages upon ages. It's called protest, and the jury's still out on whether or not it works, but most are inclined to say it doesn't. And while calling somebody an idiot on an internet forum may not change things, who are you to just blindly assume that this is the only attempt people are making? How many times have YOU been arrested at a public protest outside of a government building? Because I'm willing to bet my count is much higher -- so don't you dare act so condescending without prior knowledge.

O yes, im sheltered because I see people protesting on a street in front of the school instead of going to the people in charge:rolleyes: Did I not say governments shouldn't be centered on controversy? Protestors protest this and that but never out ight say "you can not do this and I will not listen". They get permits and gater in a public place. The only people who mess with anything are animal rights activists, and releasing a few animals doesn't stop the problem.

And who are you to assume that you have to be arsested to show you've done anything? Who are you to be so rightous as to say that you alone know what is right and wrong?

How many times have you ben aressted in "protest outside a government building"?

can someone find one of those "what the fuck" pictures to post here?

Im still looking....

*edit* found
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~foo/wtf.jpg

See, the rest of the world have phenomenal difficulty understanding the American attitude towards politics. You get the Government you ask for. The point of a system of Democracy is to ensure that you have a body in power that is fairly representative of the public. It's okay for a Properly Democratically Elected Government to ask its electorate for things because We Put Them There in the First Place.

As long as you keep voting Republican or Democrat, you're going to have Republicans and Democrats in control. You know, there might possibly be a solution to your problem hidden in that sentence somewhere.

The point of a system of Democracy is to ensure that you have a body in power that is fairly representative of the public.

Is that not the point of a Republic?

See, the rest of the world have phenomenal difficulty understanding the American attitude towards politics. You get the Government you ask for. The point of a system of Democracy is to ensure that you have a body in power that is fairly representative of the public. It's okay for a Properly Democratically Elected Government to ask its electorate for things because We Put Them There in the First Place.

As long as you keep voting Republican or Democrat, you're going to have Republicans and Democrats in control. You know, there might possibly be a solution to your problem hidden in that sentence somewhere.

You seriously think that a third party canidate at the head of the US government will help?

Third party canidates arent there to put into place a nre political system, they are there to promote law change that the government has no business to be in charge of anyways.

Is that not the point of a Republic?
It is in a sense, since a Republic is a detailed example of an application of Democratic process. But, of course, a Republic also grants a degree of Soverignty to an individual who cannot possibly represent every section of Society. Rule by elected cabinet would be a more representative example of Government authority.

You seriously think that a third party canidate at the head of the US government will help?

Third party canidates arent there to put into place a nre political system, they are there to promote law change that the government has no business to be in charge of anyways.
Third party candidate at the head? Not a chance. Three-party split in the house? Hell yeah. I'm talking nation-wide election of congressmen and senators other than either of the two parties. You do elect those there, don't you?

Pres. Kenedy said "Do not ask what your country will do for you, but what can you do for your country" and DISAGREE COMPLETELY

Governmants were made to help PEOPLE! It doesnt make any sense otherwise!!

we spend our time argueing over morality and theocracy, but why should a government even be involved in decisions like that???

A government should not center around controversy! A government should not be so beauracratic! A government should not be able to war on another government!!!!

War. There is another issue. Governments should have no say in war, beacuse governments dont fight them. Governments use non-government people to fight with oter non-government people.

Its so pointless!!!! I dont understand how we can put up with this?!

I dont understand why we dont just tell the goverments to stop it. They are just people who think they are greater than others.

Which reminds me, WHY DO ALL NS THREADS TURN INTO BUSH ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!!ACK!

If you don't like something, CHANGE IT!!!! or at least try. Calling someone an idiot on an internet forum doesn't accomplish anything.

so that my speil i guess...
:rolleyes:

To my knowledge the U.S. government was formed to fight the British. "Helping people" seems rather vague. Governments should have no say in war? Did you seriously type that?

So what? Do you support a direct vote by all the people on every issue? The government is run by people...they're not cyborgs.... and you voted for them.

To my knowledge the U.S. government was formed to fight the British. "Helping people" seems rather vague. Governments should have no say in war? Did you seriously type that?

So what? Do you support a direct vote by all the people on every issue? The government is run by people...they're not cyborgs.... and you voted for them.[/QUOTE]

The U.S. government was established AFTER the revolution and was not just to fight the British...

And by helping people I mean non-military organizations made to help people... medicare, homeless centers, libraries etc.

So what? Do you support a direct vote by all the people on every issue? The government is run by people...they're not cyborgs.... and you voted for them.

No, I said a government should not be centered on controversy. If you have to vote.....
Also I said the government is run by people. People who seem to place themselves above all others.
And I most certainly DID NOT vote for the people in office.

Need to delete one of these threads.

"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country."

Don't really understand what this thread is about. I remember the quote as it was said. It was an age of moderation and not greed. An age where people dreamed of better things rather than conserving the wrongs of the past. It was an age of vision. An age where a president could lead rather than follow. Bobby ran for president 8 years later with the theme. "Some people see things as they are and ask 'why?', I dream things that never were and ask 'why not'?"

I feel sorry for all of the young people that grow up without a vision of a better world or a dream of how the world could be improved. I feel sorry for all of the young people that grow up with so much greed in their hearts that they don't see that cooperation can not only help them but help all. Sometimes, many times, it's far greedier not to be greedy. If you give a little now you gain so much more later. I don't know of a government, or a business or few people that think beyond this moment. I lament that loss of hope.

~~snip~~

Your sig is stupidly long. Just an FYI

can someone find one of those "what the fuck" pictures to post here?
Well, every thread has a degree of randominity to it.

Anyhow, "ask what you can do for your country" doesn't mean that you refeer to the government. A lot of people take it that way. You might as well ask a two year old or good old Bin Laden what you can do for your country. In other words, I take it as doing what I'm already doing:

*drum roll*

Arguing about stuff on the internet with people mainly from outside of the United Sates. That, and living outside of the United States. Helps a lot with the whole, grass roots thing about my ideal America, doesn't it? :p

Your sig is stupidly long. Just an FYI
i kno : / i just figured out how to make it smaller.....

i kno : / i just figured out how to make it smaller.....

I'm pretty sure it's the number of lines and not the font size that counts

You would appreciate a thread called "I Like My Cat" turning into the same old flame war? You would appreciate the thread being hijacked into something that is unoriginal and annoying?
If you honestly believe that this is what happens in every single situation, you clearly have limited experience on these forums.

Also, I'm not saying I don't like political discussions. I enjoy them. I don't enjoy threads that get twisted around into pro/anti Bush flame wars. They are not "usually" centered around Bush, they always are! And I would go to a different thread, but guess what I see?
No, they aren't "always" centered around Bush. Learn to differentiate between Bush the man and Bush's administration, and all of the policies thereof, and it'll help you figure out when people are pissy that a monkey got elected to power rather than pissy that the monkey's policies and policy-makers disregard the voice of so many.

Of course it won't turn out differently, but am I not allowed to voice my opinion? And how does one become their own hatred?
You hate people involved in the Bushy debates, do you not? That was the tone of your complaint. And then you, KNOWING it would turn into something similar (or, at the very least, a "flame war" which I think is thrown around far too often), brought it up anyway. Real smart.

O yes, im sheltered because I see people protesting on a street in front of the school instead of going to the people in charge:rolleyes:
Here you assume that this is the only form of protest I speak of. Very narrow-minded.
Did I not say governments shouldn't be centered on controversy?
Did I say you didn't?
Protestors protest this and that but never out ight say "you can not do this and I will not listen". They get permits and gater in a public place.
No, I think you'll find that many of them don't get permits, which is why they are subject to attempted shut-down by the authorities. If three people say "You can't do this, I'm not listening, lalalalala" or whatever you're suggesting, what good will it do? None at all. But if those three people get together a massive group of like-minded individuals, and then rally together, at least they're getting attention to their cause. Which is, in short, the point of protesting....in case you missed it.

And who are you to assume that you have to be arsested to show you've done anything? Who are you to be so rightous as to say that you alone know what is right and wrong?
I don't believe I said that, and it's quite rude to put words in someone's mouth when you're trying (and failing) to make them look foolish. I was using the arrest record analogy -- something that many protesters have when they're there for more than the cheap coffee and the social scene -- simply to prove that you probably have little to no knowledge, beyond what they taught you in high school, of how these things work, otherwise I doubt you would've insinuated that they do nothing but sit on the internet and complain. Or maybe you don't remember saying that. Here, lemme find it for you:
If you don't like something, CHANGE IT!!!! or at least try. Calling someone an idiot on an internet forum doesn't accomplish anything.
Sorry for trying to make a point that you apparently missed.

How many times have you ben aressted in "protest outside a government building"?
Why bother telling you now? You clearly have nothing better to do about it than sit in your cozy home, insulting people over the internet, and bitching about things rather than changing them. Way to set the trend, man.

The U.S. government was established AFTER the revolution and was not just to fight the British...

And by helping people I mean non-military organizations made to help people... medicare, homeless centers, libraries etc.



No, I said a government should not be centered on controversy. If you have to vote.....
Also I said the government is run by people. People who seem to place themselves above all others.
And I most certainly DID NOT vote for the people in office.

Right, but that is the system. You vote and candidates get elected. If you have a better system, then by all means let us hear it. But the way I see it, if the government is run by "people who seem to place themselves above all others" then you can vote them out.

I just do not understand what you are attempting to argue. The USA is roughly 275 million in population... how can you avoid "controversy?"

The fact is you NEED an army to protect your country. I 100% agree the government can be ridiculously frustrating at times, but what you are seemingly proposing is not grounded in reality.