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Audiotape Threaten Attack Against U.S. (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060119102809990008)

And it highlights some frightening or interesting points.

1) Bin Ladin is not dead contrary to so many rumors.

2) Bin Ladin is keeping up on current events and has taken on a conciliatory tone to the American Public, at least to the part whom he feels wants the U.S. military out of the Middle East and had to put up with Bush's desperado diplomacy. The suggestion of a "long term truce" from Al Qaeda not ony fits the classic pattern of one last chance, but it seems to try and paint them as "reasonable" terrorists/freedom fighters to the Middle Eastern public.

3) The recording also implies the only reason the United States has not been hit with a terror attack since 9-11 is that the next one is being carefully planned, not that any security measures have made them difficult. This is what worries me most and should worry Americans. If AQ does pull off another successful attack on U.S. soil, then it will finally awaken the American public to the truth of what a sham the Bush Administration's bragging of "No Further Attacks on American Soil" is. Albeit at the tragic cost of hundreds if not thousands more American lives.

A book of Bin Laden's quotes was published last month, and the media is spreading rumors he's dead?

I certainly hope Bush & Co. are doing their jobs.

I knew he wasn't dead! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Never admit your enemy is dead without a body and DNA confirmation people!

Anyways, I really hope this doesn't come to pass, but AQ is crazy, not stupid. So they'll probably find a way. I just hope TSA is up to the task of catching the terrorist before they try something. But knowing the TSA, they'll be searching old women and guys in wheelchair while waving the guy with the turban right on through without a search.

This guy's like a particularily fiendish Where's Waldo book, where everyone is wearing stripes and one of them has a bomb in his toque.

I just hope TSA is up to the task of catching the terrorist before they try something. But knowing the TSA, they'll be searching old women and guys in wheelchair while waving the guy with the turban right on through without a search.
TSA. Worthless.

Last time I took a flight I found a CD and a shirt missing, not to mention the TSA lock I had purchased.

*fumes*

I certainly hope Bush & Co. are doing their jobs.

Misplaced hope I'd say. This is after all, the same Bush who said he didn't think much about Bin Ladin lately and appointed an incompetent horse breeder as Director of FEMA- who was writing e-mails about his fashion while New Orleans was sinking like Atlantis.

I'd take Walton Simons over Michael "Atta Boy" Brownie any day.

I knew he wasn't dead! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Never admit your enemy is dead without a body and DNA confirmation people!

Anyways, I really hope this doesn't come to pass, but AQ is crazy, not stupid. So they'll probably find a way. I just hope TSA is up to the task of catching the terrorist before they try something. But knowing the TSA, they'll be searching old women and guys in wheelchair while waving the guy with the turban right on through without a search.

I doubt that they will use some old plan for the next attack. If you ask me, I think they instead will go trough Mexico or Canada.

TSA. Worthless.

Last time I took a flight I found a CD and a shirt missing, not to mention the TSA lock I had purchased.

*fumes*

Yea, I hate them too. TSA = Thousands Standing Around.

This is one of the reason I took Flying lesson and am now a Private Pilot. I fly out of an airport that doesn't have the TSA so I get to avoid all of the hassle that the airlines and airports put out.

I doubt that they will use some old plan for the next attack. If you ask me, I think they instead will go trough Mexico or Canada.

TSA covers airports, train station, subways, basically every kind of public Transportation here in the USA.

This is one of the reason I took flying lessons and am now a Private Pilot. I fly out of an airport that doesn't have the TSA so I get to avoid all of the hassle that the airlines and airports put out.
Looks like you found a loophole any turban could get through! ;)

I doubt that they will use some old plan for the next attack. If you ask me, I think they instead will go trough Mexico or Canada.

Mexico most likely. Bush blatantly encourages "Guest Workers" while doing nothing to control the border. Hence the stories of the Minutemen militia appointing themselves border guards.

Of course he's not dead. I keep him in a box in my closet. I've manged to train him to eat cheese from my hand and use the litter box. He's quite happy there with a wee straw bed and a drinking bottle.
Though occassionally at night he does launch into a tirade against the 'Great Satan' but I just smack him on the nose with a rolled up Times mag with GWB on the cover and say 'No! Naughty Binny!' in a firm voice. He whimpers for a while but calms down.

Looks like you found a loophole any turban could get through! ;)

Eh, not really. Most GA aircraft don't carry that much fuel. Basically 17-36 gal of fuel. The best these small aircraft can do is punch a small hole. Maybe kill one or two people. Beside, they would have to learn to take off, fly, and land etc. I don't see them putting that much time in. Also, flight instructors that aren't in those major flight schools tend to alert the FAA if a student is suspicous.

Eh, not really. Most GA aircraft don't carry that much fuel. Basically 17-36 gal of fuel. The best these small aircraft can do is punch a small hole. Maybe kill one or two people. Beside, they would have to learn to take off, fly, and land etc. I don't see them putting that much time in. Also, flight instructors that aren't in those major flight schools tend to alert the FAA if a student is suspicous.
I realize that as I've been in a number of private airplanes, but, I guess it really wasn't all that funny anyhow. The men that took over the flights in 9/11 were trained in Flordia, if I remember right. But, if my recollection is correct, they were also "below average."

bin laden sure seems to be timely with these little statements...

I realize that as I've been in a number of private airplanes, but, I guess it really wasn't all that funny anyhow. The men that took over the flights in 9/11 were trained in Flordia, if I remember right. But, if my recollection is correct, they were also "below average."

You'd know, you'd think it would've been obivious something was up when they said that all they wanted to learn was the in-flight portion of the flight! jeez, I hope that school got a decreased in enrollement.

bin laden sure seems to be timely with these little statements...
Yeah, it sure seems convenient. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but damn...

But knowing the TSA, they'll be searching old women and guys in wheelchair while waving the guy with the turban right on through without a search.

Ah, yes, because only people in turbans are terrorists. And terrorists are so stupid as to make themselves conspicuous. Riiiight. :rolleyes:

Ah, yes, because only people in turbans are terrorists. And terrorists are so stupid as to make themselves conspicuous. Riiiight. :rolleyes:

Well they were stupid enough to let the arabs guy through on 9/11......

Yeah, it sure seems convenient. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but damn...

2004, election year, bin Laden everywhere almost doing product endorsements. 2005, nowhere to be seen. 2006, election year, kicked off by a brand new bin Laden single.

It really is convenient, if you're one of those people who like to look for patterns. ;)

Well they were stupid enough to let the arabs guy through on 9/11......

Yes, because all terrorists are arabs, and all arabs are terrorists. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you're not the one protecting anyone out there.

Yes, because all terrorists are arabs, and all arabs are terrorists. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you're not the one protecting anyone out there.

You think the TSA protects us? *dies laughing* Jeez you have a better chance of being protected by a Boston Terrier! Dude, the TSA SUCKS at protecting airline passengers. A while back a college student decided to test the TSA. This took place in Greensboro NC. He put knvies, plastic explosive and other stuff in boxes. HE WAS ABLE TO GET THEM PASS THE TSA! Not only that, he was able to HIDE BOX CUTTERS inside the toilet area of TWO SOUTHWEST AIRCRAFTS!

The TSA just suck when it comes to security.

The TSA just suck when it comes to security.

Thing is, you seem no better, at all. Actually, you seem quite worse, indeed.

Thing is, you seem no better, at all. Actually, you seem quite worse, indeed.

How am I worst? At least I'm targeting people who at least have a chance of pulling off an attack. I wouldn't search people in wheelchair or old ladies. That what the TSA do.

Yeah, it sure seems convenient. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but damn...


we really need to have a compare and contrast timeline of bush admin/republican scandals and other bad news for the powers that be vs. bin laden statements and 'specific threat' warnings.

Mexico most likely. Bush blatantly encourages "Guest Workers" while doing nothing to control the border. Hence the stories of the Minutemen militia appointing themselves border guards.
For once, I agree with you.

How am I worst? At least I'm targeting people who at least have a chance of pulling off an attack. I wouldn't search people in wheelchair or old ladies. That what the TSA do.

Thinking that terrorists can't disguise themselves as people in wheelchairs and that only the brown people wearing funny clothes - brown people overall - are terrorists, makes you worse, yes. In fact, it makes you directly unsuitable.

Thinking that terrorists can't disguise themselves as people in wheelchairs and that only the brown people wearing funny clothes - brown people overall - are terrorists, makes you worse, yes. In fact, it makes you directly unsuitable.

They could dressup as women. Arafat once did that when he hightailed it out of Jordan. ;)

we really need to have a compare and contrast timeline of bush admin/republican scandals and other bad news for the powers that be vs. bin laden statements and 'specific threat' warnings.
I remember one in 2004 that linked raised threat levels with poll numbers that showed Kerry in the lead.

They could dressup as women. Arafat once did that when he hightailed it out of Jordan. ;)

They could dress up as anything. They could even - gasp - be white! OMGWTF!!1!!ELeventyone1!!!!

They could dress up as anything. They could even - gasp - be white! OMGWTF!!1!!ELeventyone1!!!!

What are you trying to tell us? Is name really Ackmed Fass? :p

What are you trying to tell us? Is name really Ackmed Fass? :p

No. That doesn't mean I'm not a terrorist, though! :p

*waits for Echelon to go bonkers over that one*

I doubt that they will use some old plan for the next attack. If you ask me, I think they instead will go trough Mexico or Canada.
Doubtful. Why risk an illegal border crossing through the desert and far away from any highly populated place when you can travel with false (or even legitimate) documents in all the comfort of an airplane?

The US still receives visitors, businesspeople and students from all over the Islamic (which is not limited to the Middle East) world, right? And they enter legally, just like the guys who perpetrated 9/11.

My guess is that, if there's going to be any terrorist attack the terrorists are probably already in the US, probably not Arab, and just keeping a low profile until the right time.

Bin Laden is like Emmanuel Goldstein.

He will never die.

Doubtful. Why risk an illegal border crossing through the desert and far away from any highly populated place when you can travel with false (or even legitimate) documents in all the comfort of an airplane?

The US still receives visitors, businesspeople and students from all over the Islamic (which is not limited to the Middle East) world, right? And they enter legally, just like the guys who perpetrated 9/11.

My guess is that, if there's going to be any terrorist attack the terrorists are probably already in the US, probably not Arab, and just keeping a low profile until the right time.Yep--that's the smart play.

Don't forget that the perps of the 7/7 London bombings were British nationals. If you really wish to stamp out fundamentalist extremism, you have to ensure that it has no chance to fester in your own country rather than hunting some random Saudi and wasting good tax cash that could be put to good use elsewhere.

Education and prosperity are the only ways out of this situation.

If you took all the monkey shit that has ever been, and scooped it all into one container, it would still not be as big of a crock of shit, as this is.

There are only two possible answers.

1. Doornail.

2. Bin Laden is being kept alive, and has been given a succsessful kidney and pancreas transplants, and the U.S government, is fully aware of this.

Bin Laden is being kept alive, and has been given a succsessful kidney and pancreas transplants, and the U.S government, is fully aware of this.
Billions of dollars and thousands of fit, healthy marines hunting a bedridden old man! Priceless! :D

Bin Laden is like Emmanuel Goldstein.

i like to think of him more as snowball. maybe we should have a poll.

Billions of dollars and thousands of fit, healthy marines hunting a bedridden old man! Priceless! :D


and damned if we cant find him!

I would start checking all the dialysis machines, myself.
If he aint dead....hes attached to one of em.

and damned if we cant find him!

I would start checking all the dialysis machines, myself.
If he aint dead....hes attached to one of em.
Heh, true.
Ahh New Zealand is far away from anything. Hardly feel threatened at all down here. Although, we'll probably be attacked as a "you don't know where we can pop up" kind of thing.. Sucks.

Doubtful. Why risk an illegal border crossing through the desert and far away from any highly populated place when you can travel with false (or even legitimate) documents in all the comfort of an airplane?

The US still receives visitors, businesspeople and students from all over the Islamic (which is not limited to the Middle East) world, right? And they enter legally, just like the guys who perpetrated 9/11.

My guess is that, if there's going to be any terrorist attack the terrorists are probably already in the US, probably not Arab, and just keeping a low profile until the right time.

Well, if they would do like in 9/11, they will need something to take over the plane, like a knife. So then they would risk to get caught that way anyway, even if they have correct passports and etc. Before 9/11 it was easy to bring those kind of things with you, and nowdays the cockpit is locked and more secure from the rest of the plane.

And yes, I agree that they probably is in the USA, but I would think that something like a carbomb would be more likely than a plane.

A book of Bin Laden's quotes was published last month, and the media is spreading rumors he's dead?

I certainly hope Bush & Co. are doing their jobs.
If by "doing their jobs" you mean "stripping away privacy rights in the name of 'protection'," you bet'cha.

To be honest I am more worried about finding my socks at the moment then I am to dying in a potential, random terrorist attack.

Meh ... some of us have known all along. Though some of us are not concerned. Yeah, he needs to be brought to justice for 9/11, but as long as he keeps winning elections for the Republicans, he'll be living fat in Pakistan without a care in the world.

If, however, in November, there's a sway of power in Congress towards the Democrats, then we'll see Bin Laden captured and/or a definite body with DNA proof in early 2008.

No, I am no conspiracy theorist, I just know that the current Administration is very Machiavellian. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't surprise me.

As for the tape, well, it's nice to see Bin Laden remembering that we're not all white devils bent on the destruction of Islam. *shrug* There is no beast so feirce that shows not some touch of pity.

I doubt that they will use some old plan for the next attack. If you ask me, I think they instead will go trough Mexico or Canada.
Didn't they already try going through Canada with Algerian operatives in the foiled millenium plot?

Audiotape Threaten Attack Against U.S. (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060119102809990008)

And it highlights some frightening or interesting points.

1) Bin Ladin is not dead contrary to so many rumors.

2) Bin Ladin is keeping up on current events and has taken on a conciliatory tone to the American Public, at least to the part whom he feels wants the U.S. military out of the Middle East and had to put up with Bush's desperado diplomacy. The suggestion of a "long term truce" from Al Qaeda not ony fits the classic pattern of one last chance, but it seems to try and paint them as "reasonable" terrorists/freedom fighters to the Middle Eastern public.

3) The recording also implies the only reason the United States has not been hit with a terror attack since 9-11 is that the next one is being carefully planned, not that any security measures have made them difficult. This is what worries me most and should worry Americans. If AQ does pull off another successful attack on U.S. soil, then it will finally awaken the American public to the truth of what a sham the Bush Administration's bragging of "No Further Attacks on American Soil" is. Albeit at the tragic cost of hundreds if not thousands more American lives.

Good for him i guess:cool:

Don't forget that the perps of the 7/7 London bombings were British nationals. If you really wish to stamp out fundamentalist extremism, you have to ensure that it has no chance to fester in your own country rather than hunting some random Saudi and wasting good tax cash that could be put to good use elsewhere.

Education and prosperity are the only ways out of this situation.
If that were true then the US would never have to fear an attack by homegrown radical islamists. US Muslims tend to be more well educated and wealthier than the average American.

If that were true then the US would never have to fear an attack by homegrown radical islamists. US Muslims tend to be more well educated and wealthier than the average American.

Yeah, in america they can work their way up. But no in the UK, middle easteners, and all immigrants are second class citizens in europe.
America is based on immigration, and giving people a chance to work for a new and better life..

Belive me, I know, I am a white immigrant in europe, and i came from an other europeen country, and even dough my skin is the same, I see hoe one can't get a job, and how one is a second class citizen. I'm a refugee from the balkans bye the way. And funny thing is, I am neither accepted by the other immigrant couse of their racisam towards whites...

And mind you, the people who attacked the WTC where not home grown, they were wealthy saudis

Yeah, in america they can work their way up. But no in the UK, middle easteners, and all immigrants are second class citizens in europe.
America is based on immigration, and giving people a chance to work for a new and better life..

Belive me, I know, I am a white immigrant in europe, and i came from an other europeen country, and even dough my skin is the same, I see hoe one can't get a job, and how one is a second class citizen. I'm a refugee from the balkans bye the way. And funny thing is, I am neither accepted by the other immigrant couse of their racisam towards whites...

And mind you, the people who attacked the WTC where not home grown, they were wealthy saudis
The people who attacked it with airplanes were Saudis. The people who attacked it in the 90s with a truck bomb were a mixed group that included one or two American converts to Islam.

Audiotape Threaten Attack Against U.S. (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060119102809990008)

And it highlights some frightening or interesting points.

1) Bin Ladin is not dead contrary to so many rumors.

2) Bin Ladin is keeping up on current events and has taken on a conciliatory tone to the American Public, at least to the part whom he feels wants the U.S. military out of the Middle East and had to put up with Bush's desperado diplomacy. The suggestion of a "long term truce" from Al Qaeda not ony fits the classic pattern of one last chance, but it seems to try and paint them as "reasonable" terrorists/freedom fighters to the Middle Eastern public.

3) The recording also implies the only reason the United States has not been hit with a terror attack since 9-11 is that the next one is being carefully planned, not that any security measures have made them difficult. This is what worries me most and should worry Americans. If AQ does pull off another successful attack on U.S. soil, then it will finally awaken the American public to the truth of what a sham the Bush Administration's bragging of "No Further Attacks on American Soil" is. Albeit at the tragic cost of hundreds if not thousands more American lives.

Gauthier, I must remind you that they attacked the US and its interests many times before we invaded Iraq or Afghanistan. The offer of truce is meaningless - it's a combination of psychological ploy and a requirement from Islam - you have to warn anyone you're going to attack and offer truce - you don't have to be honest about the offer at all, nor does it have to be realistic.

And no amount of local security in the US, even if we transformed it into a draconian police state with cameras and informants on every corner, and every email and phone call interpreted by the government, would stop a terrorist attack.

Since no amount of local security can stop one, and since they intend to attack us unless we essentially surrender being in the world, we have only one option - find them and kill them.

Looks like we got some of his closest friends the other day with that missile.

3) The recording also implies the only reason the United States has not been hit with a terror attack since 9-11 is that the next one is being carefully planned, not that any security measures have made them difficult. This is what worries me most and should worry Americans. If AQ does pull off another successful attack on U.S. soil, then it will finally awaken the American public to the truth of what a sham the Bush Administration's bragging of "No Further Attacks on American Soil" is. Albeit at the tragic cost of hundreds if not thousands more American lives.
If only there were some magic device that let us listen in on communication to Al Qaida hotspots. Some way we could intercept phonecalls, so we could know about plans of attack before they happen!

The people who attacked it with airplanes were Saudis. The people who attacked it in the 90s with a truck bomb were a mixed group that included one or two American converts to Islam.
OK, didn't know that. BUt point was, the thing is different in america..
Couse you are given oppertunity to work and feed your self, whilst in the UK, people who are immigrants are often cought up in slums, and when you see that its couse of your semite(middle easter) looks, and name then al-koko seams as a godd thing.

Anyways, maybe I ought to go to Canada after my education, I hear they are taking inn half a mill people a year..

Than I will no longer be in the Scitcofrenic posision as a white forigner that is disliked by both natives and the non-white immigrants...

This one MIddle eastern dude told me i would suffer in hell couse I didn't practice Islam. :p

OK, didn't know that. BUt point was, the thing is different in america..
Couse you are given oppertunity to work and feed your self, whilst in the UK, people who are immigrants are often cought up in slums, and when you see that its couse of your semite(middle easter) looks, and name then al-koko seams as a godd thing.

Anyways, maybe I ought to go to Canada after my education, I hear they are taking inn half a mill people a year..

Than I will no longer be in the Scitcofrenic posision as a white forigner that is disliked by both natives and the non-white immigrants...

This one MIddle eastern dude told me i would suffer in hell couse I didn't practice Islam. :p

I've never been to Canada, but from what I've heard immigrants there seem to be treated well.

The middle eastern dude who told you that was a dickhead.

I've never been to Canada, but from what I've heard immigrants there seem to be treated well.

The middle eastern dude who told you that was a dickhead.
I think so to, but then again there was this protestant who said the same thing to me, more or less:p

Anyways all Races and religions have a good bunch of evil people.
But he meant it in an other way, couse I'm bosnian, and we are formely muslim,and so in his eyes i was not doing what a formal mulim ought to, well i'm atheist and so are a lot of my family, but we are secular europeans. And women do not wear tents.
Hell, we ligelized abortion in 45' WE are the worlds most secular country..

I think that the MIddle east needs to get back what they once invented,
CIVILIZATION

I think so to, but then again there was this protestant who said the same thing to me, more or less:p

Anyways all Races and religions have a good bunch of evil people.
But he meant it in an other way, couse I'm bosnian, and we are formely muslim,and so in his eyes i was not doing what a formal mulim ought to, well i'm atheist and so are a lot of my family, but we are secular europeans. And women do not wear tents.
Hell, we ligelized abortion in 45' WE are the worlds most secular country..

I think that the MIddle east needs to get back what they once invented,
CIVILIZATION
I take a dim view of religion in general because of people like that.

Title : Bin Ladin's Not Dead

Of course he is not dead. He is protected by the powerful islamist faction of the Pak regime and the Pak regime is protected by the neocons in the US govt and it is all working fine. The neocons get to pursue PNAC using Osama bogey. Paki regime get arms and money and get to stay in power. Osama gets to release a tape now and then. His boys get to blow themselves up in nearby Iraq, Afghanistan, India etc rather than faraway places.

It works perfectly well for everyone. Except those damn civilians in Iraq, Afg, India etc who do not have the American luxury of distance and relative isolation from the jihadis...but who cares for them anyway.

Bin Laden might not be dead but if you think about he might as well be. He has not staged a large attack on the US in 4 years, the attacks in Europe were not planned by him, and he is cut off from the outside world. A few months ago the Army intercepted a messenger carrying a letter from Osama's second in command to the leader of the insurgents in Iraq, the letter was asking for some updates on current events and it told him to stop killing Iraqi civilians because that was just making them hate the insurgents.

Plus, for all we know that tape could be anywhere from a week to a few years old.

I take a dim view of religion in general because of people like that.

Religon ought to be a privat thing, and no one ought to bother others with his or her feith, or ihs or her way of practicing that feiht.
Of course the goverment ought to step in and ban religions with human sercrifice, and canibalizam, but other then that...................

But these both incidents had little to do with religion, they were more with etnicity. The middle eastener was more like, fuck you you don't have my skin color...

The protestent native dude was more like fuck you, you were not born here..


I just feel like going off somewhere to fuck my self

Bin Laden might not be dead but if you think about he might as well be. He has not staged a large attack on the US in 4 years, the attacks in Europe were not planned by him, and he is cut off from the outside world. A few months ago the Army intercepted a messenger carrying a letter from Osama's second in command to the leader of the insurgents in Iraq, the letter was asking for some updates on current events and it told him to stop killing Iraqi civilians because that was just making them hate the insurgents.

Plus, for all we know that tape could be anywhere from a week to a few years old.
He made reference to an article in the Mirror that is dated Dec. 2005. It's not a few years old.

Religon ought to be a privat thing, and no one ought to bother others with his or her feith, or ihs or her way of practicing that feiht.
Of course the goverment ought to step in and ban religions with human sercrifice, and canibalizam, but other then that...................

But these both incidents had little to do with religion, they were more with etnicity. The middle eastener was more like, fuck you you don't have my skin color...

The protestent native dude was more like fuck you, you were not born here..


I just feel like going off somewhere to fuck my self
They say that the best revenge is to live a good life. Personally I think the best revenge involves severe beatings, but whatever. Don't let them get you down and try to live the best life you can.

Religon ought to be a privat thing, and no one ought to bother others with his or her feith, or ihs or her way of practicing that feiht.
Of course the goverment ought to step in and ban religions with human sercrifice, and canibalizam, but other then that...................

But these both incidents had little to do with religion, they were more with etnicity. The middle eastener was more like, fuck you you don't have my skin color...

The protestent native dude was more like fuck you, you were not born here..


I just feel like going off somewhere to fuck my self

That Islamic guys said that becuase Drunk Commies is not Islamic, i was watching an interview with a guy who tried to blow himself up and he said the same thing to interviewer.

And FAITH is not spelled feith and SACRIFICE is not spelled sercrifice.

That Islamic guys said that becuase Drunk Commies is not Islamic, i was watching an interview with a guy who tried to blow himself up and he said the same thing to interviewer.

And FAITH is not spelled feith and SACRIFICE is not spelled sercrifice.
English is Gassputia's second language. He's made a good effort at communicating on this forum IMHO. Cut him some slack.

Oh, and the Muslim dude was talking to Gassputia, not to me.

They say that the best revenge is to live a good life. Personally I think the best revenge involves severe beatings, but whatever. Don't let them get you down and try to live the best life you can.
*looks for his knife*:p
Well I hvae had a lot of things happen in my young life, but this is, luckely no longer an issue;)

Bin Ladin is living in Newfoundland, Canada. He has many aliases including:
Bin Drinking; Bin Smoking; Bin Crackin; Bin Doing Nothing; Bin Getting Employment Insurance; Bin Screeching; Bin Fishing :)

That Islamic guys said that becuase Drunk Commies is not Islamic, i was watching an interview with a guy who tried to blow himself up and he said the same thing to interviewer.

And FAITH is not spelled feith and SACRIFICE is not spelled sercrifice.

So was the protestant dude, and so was, well point is I have had some bad things happening in my youth comming face to face with poeple who take religion to the extreme

Billions of dollars and thousands of fit, healthy marines hunting a bedridden old man! Priceless! :D

bin laden is clever, has a lot of support and likely still has access to a lot of wealth & wealthy friends.

We havent yet made people that deal with him & facilitate him uncomfortable enough yet. Once we do, he will magically turn up.

OBL is now guilty of using quotes from leading democrats, in his attack on America. Just do a little test, and on anything OBL says, insert Kennedys, or Deans, or just about any democrat name you want, and you will see what I mean.

OBL is now guilty of using quotes from leading democrats, in his attack on America. Just do a little test, and on anything OBL says, insert Kennedys, or Deans, or just about any democrat name you want, and you will see what I mean.
WTF?

I noticed that OBL said that AQ would hit " the heart of america"...Anyone wanna guess what he meant by that? maybe he meant the heartland? Like st louis, chicago or other important midwest cities..or is he going after some that is the actual life force of America- our democracy? Time will only tell, unfortunatly

WTF?


My thoughts exactly

WTF?

Don't you know that any discussion on NS must lead to either Republican-bashing or democrat-bashing? It's the law!

Don't you know that any discussion on NS must lead to either Republican-bashing or democrat-bashing? It's the law!
Any law that dumb must have been passed by the Republicans.

bin Laden not being dead can only mean one thing:

MORE wars! Let's invade and bomb a few more countries, we're bound to get him eventually.

Any law that dumb must have been passed by the Republicans.


:p A thread with both democrat- and repbulican-bashing...you make an old man cry :fluffle:

:p A thread with both democrat- and repbulican-bashing...you make an old man cry :fluffle:
Just trying to comply with the law.

Osama clearly wants everyone to keep voting Republican.

"Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's "Love Connection". Watch this and get fat and stupid...Dont forget to keep drinkin' beer, yah morons."

Osama clearly wants everyone to keep voting Republican.

"Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's "Love Connection". Watch this and get fat and stupid...Dont forget to keep drinkin' beer, yah morons."

Alrighty then....:rolleyes:

Title : Bin Ladin's Not Dead

Of course he is not dead. He is protected by the powerful islamist faction of the Pak regime and the Pak regime is protected by the neocons in the US govt and it is all working fine. The neocons get to pursue PNAC using Osama bogey. Paki regime get arms and money and get to stay in power. Osama gets to release a tape now and then. His boys get to blow themselves up in nearby Iraq, Afghanistan, India etc rather than faraway places.

It works perfectly well for everyone. Except those damn civilians in Iraq, Afg, India etc who do not have the American luxury of distance and relative isolation from the jihadis...but who cares for them anyway.

Disreguard this everyone, Indians, even Indian-Americans are extremely biased against Pakistanis. I say it's unlikely he's still in the Pakistan/Afghanistan area. He's probably being protected by friends in the middle east, most likely Saudi Arabia.

The interesting part of this is that it really seems to be aimed at Americans and not at Arabs. I think it definitely could be sincere, and there are a significant number of fundamentalists muslims in the US. There's no way they would have any difficulty at all getting people into the US to do us harm. These guys are experienced and smart, you only need to be mildly competent to pull something off in the US, but something more sophisticated becomes more difficult.

I think Bin Laden's goal will be something big enough to force the arab world to side against America, presumably because of a reaction against either Muslims in the US, or yet another Arab nation. If he can do that, he can win the war on terror, we would need a draft in order to expand the war, and that could easily bring enough dissent within the US to bring the war to an end.

I'd consider making a semi-truce. And he is right to call it a truce considering how Bush thinks he is at war with al qaeda. AQ does take its time planning things so there was little need for all this recent security hubbub.

I'd consider making a semi-truce. And he is right to call it a truce considering how Bush thinks he is at war with al qaeda. AQ does take its time planning things so there was little need for all this recent security hubbub.
Why would you consider a truce? We're not trying to coexist with Al Qaeda, we're trying to destroy Al Qaeda. If he's (bin laden) calling for a truce it might indicate that he's found himself in a vulnerable position and needs time to regroup. Can't let him do that.

What drunken commies deleted said.

War aint over till every last foillower of OBL is roadkill!

No peace, no truce, no parley.

PS: Don't Mess with the YOO-ESS!!!

Why would you consider a truce? We're not trying to coexist with Al Qaeda, we're trying to destroy Al Qaeda. If he's (bin laden) calling for a truce it might indicate that he's found himself in a vulnerable position and needs time to regroup. Can't let him do that.

Nope- if anything, we have to increase our efforts. Increase the price on his head,as well as all known associates and whomever has any type of contact with any of them. Keep putting pressure on everyone they've ever associated with. Someone will turn him up.
Once his supporters are more afraid of us than they are of him, he'll turn up.

If Iran gets invaded, I'm officially calling shit-or-get-off-the-pot time, meaning that the mid east will be so wacked out anyway that they might as well conquer it and call it America: Sandbox Edition.

If Iran gets invaded, I'm officially calling shit-or-get-off-the-pot time, meaning that the mid east will be so wacked out anyway that they might as well conquer it and call it America: Sandbox Edition.

Will you kindly not divulge Dick Cheney's Secret Plan? :fluffle:

Will you kindly not divulge Dick Cheney's Secret Plan? :fluffle:

I thought his secret plan was to have medical complications at intervals during Sharon's coma, then fake his death and take over Israel after surgically transplanting Sharon's face onto his own.

Now, that was Scooter Libby!

Disreguard this everyone, Indians, even Indian-Americans are extremely biased against Pakistanis.

:rolleyes:

That's like saying cops are biased against murderers.

Pak regime is a murderous genocidal regime and I will not stop calling them for what they are.


I say it's unlikely he's still in the Pakistan/Afghanistan area. He's probably being protected by friends in the middle east, most likely Saudi Arabia.

lol.

Yes, after his escape from Tora bora he took a taxi to Peshawar and took a train ride across Iran to Iraq and flew from there to Jordan from where he took a camel ride to Jeddah where he is under the protection of the Al-saud regime that is a sworn enemy of him.

Get a clue.

:rolleyes:

That's like saying cops are biased against murderers.

Pak regime is a murderous genocidal regime and I will not stop calling them for what they are.



lol.

Yes, after his escape from Tora bora he took a taxi to Peshawar and took a train ride across Iran to Iraq and flew from there to Jordan from where he took a camel ride to Jeddah where he is under the protection of the Al-saud regime that is a sworn enemy of him.

Get a clue.

Considering the man was on kidney dialysis, and was in desperate need of a transplant, as well as a pancreas transplant, just where do you suppose he would have found such advanced medical facilities, in the bottom of some dank cave?

The only logical answer, is that he of course, isnt in any cave.
He is being supported by a government, and given advanced medical treatment, in a facility.
Pancreas transplants are not easy procedures.
You cant just roll up to any hospital, and get one.
Pancreas transplants are fairly new, and difficult procedures, and unless Im mistaken, only so many doctors in the world, have the training to perform them at all.

This means....that a PROMINENT country with advanced medical facilites, like the U.S, Canada, UK, Austrailia, some European countries, or India, are keeping this guy alive.

OR.....


Hes been dead for months, maybe years, and this tape was released to the public, on a pre-determined date, by those who have it now.

Considering the man was on kidney dialysis, and was in desperate need of a transplant, as well as a pancreas transplant, just where do you suppose he would have found such advanced medical facilities, in the bottom of some dank cave?


There are speculations that he was treated in the Binori madrassa, Karachi. IIRC, Bernard Henri Levy also makes that allegation in his book "Who killed Daniel Pearl?" (not sure, have to look it up again). But FWIW, many Indian sources do assert that he was treated there shortly after his escape from Torabora.

The only logical answer, is that he of course, isnt in any cave.

No he is not in a cave. I never said he is in a cave.

Here's a quiz for you.

Where were all these people arrested?

Khalid Sheik Mohammad

Ramzi Bin al Shibh

Abu Zubayida

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani

Yassir al-Jazeeri

Abu Faraj al-Libbi

we know he isnt dead, rove and rumsfeld are holding him in a hole and plan to drag him out right before the november elections to help bush get reelected.

I think the best thing about the recent Bin Laden tape is that Bin Laden is channelling the main talking points of the Democratic Party.

Can't tell if he's really a Democrat, or a Republican plant set up specifically to make the Democrats look like traitors.

we know he isnt dead, rove and rumsfeld are holding him in a hole and plan to drag him out right before the november elections to help bush get reelected.
They'd also need a Way Back Machine...

I think the best thing about the recent Bin Laden tape is that Bin Laden is channelling the main talking points of the Democratic Party.

Can't tell if he's really a Democrat, or a Republican plant set up specifically to make the Democrats look like traitors.
He could give a rats ass about Republican or Democrat. He's a kid with a stick poking a hornets nest. To make hay over whether he's 'on the side of the republicans or democrats' is to dance to the tune he's called.

I think the best thing about the recent Bin Laden tape is that Bin Laden is channelling the main talking points of the Democratic Party.

Can't tell if he's really a Democrat, or a Republican plant set up specifically to make the Democrats look like traitors.
Bin Laden wants natinalized healthcare and a raise in the minimum wage?

There are speculations that he was treated in the Binori madrassa, Karachi. IIRC, Bernard Henri Levy also makes that allegation in his book "Who killed Daniel Pearl?" (not sure, have to look it up again). But FWIW, many Indian sources do assert that he was treated there shortly after his escape from Torabora.



No he is not in a cave. I never said he is in a cave.

Here's a quiz for you.

Where were all these people arrested?

Khalid Sheik Mohammad

Ramzi Bin al Shibh

Abu Zubayida

Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani

Yassir al-Jazeeri

Abu Faraj al-Libbi
Why, they were in Pakistan, weren't they? It's almost as if Musharraf is playing both sides (radical islamist and civilized people) against each other. But that's not possible, is it? Musharraf's our friend.:rolleyes:

Bin Laden wants natinalized healthcare and a raise in the minimum wage?
Probably the only talking points he hasn't brought up.

SCARBOROUGH: Now, of course, Tucker, I'm not comparing these Democrats to Osama bin Laden, but look.

First thing, Osama talks about how our troops are terrorizing women and children in Iraq. John Kerry said the same thing in front of Bob Schieffer on "Face the Nation."

Osama's saying that George Bush knows he can't win this war, something that Howard Dean said, and, also, that this was launched for political reasons, which of course Ted Kennedy said last year, that this was all dreamed up in Texas for political benefit.

CARLSON: By the merchants of war who financed Bush's presidential campaign, in the words of Osama bin Laden and many on the left. In other words, Halliburton is responsible for this war, every single talking point.

I hate to think of Osama bin Laden reclining in his cave in Waziristan, reading the op-ed page of "The New York Times."

But, clearly, he is. He's got every talking point. It's uncanny.

Why, they were in Pakistan, weren't they? It's almost as if Musharraf is playing both sides (radical islamist and civilized people) against each other. But that's not possible, is it? Musharraf's our friend.:rolleyes:

Puppet:p

Also, if you consider that Bin Laden could have made the tape at any time in the past six months, maybe he was talking about these poor fellows, who were caught while in the "planning" stages.

Conveniently enough, the mainstream media in the US completely hid this story, because it's indicative of the idea that surveillance catches terrorists.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/5/101649.shtml

The mainstream U.S. media outlets have failed to report a major terrorist plot against the U.S. - because it would tend to support President Bush's use of NSA domestic surveillance, according to media watchdog groups.

News of a planned attack masterminded by three Algerians operating out of Italy was widely reported outside the U.S., but went virtually unreported in the American media.

Italian authorities recently announced that they had used wiretaps to uncover the conspiracy to conduct a series of major attacks inside the U.S.

Italian Interior Minister Giuseppe Pisanu said the planned attacks would have targeted stadiums, ships and railway stations, and the terrorists' goal, he said, was to exceed the devastation caused by 9/11.

Italian authorities stepped up their internal surveillance programs after July's terrorist bombings in London. Their domestic wiretaps picked up phone conversations by Algerian Yamine Bouhrama that discussed terrorist attacks in Italy and abroad.

Italian authorities arrested Bouhrama on November 15 and he remains in prison. Authorities later arrested two other men, Achour Rabah and Tartaq Sami, who are believed to be Bouhrama’s chief aides in planning the attacks.

Also, if you consider that Bin Laden could have made the tape at any time in the past six months, maybe he was talking about these poor fellows, who were caught while in the "planning" stages.

Conveniently enough, the mainstream media in the US completely hid this story, because it's indicative of the idea that surveillance catches terrorists.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/1/5/101649.shtml
When are you ever going to learn? Quoting Newsmax is like quoting Fiddles, only not as funny.

Oh, and as to your little Carlson-Scarborough wankfest, I'll raise you a Carlson-Maddow conversation:
MADDOW: I'm actively angry that this is being turned into a political attack on Democrats, when Osama just threatened us.

CARLSON: It's not a political attack on Democrats. It's merely an acknowledgement that Osama is stealing all your best lines. Time to take a new one.

MADDOW: That is absolutely ridiculous.

CARLSON: Sure. It's totally true.

MADDOW: What about when he said, "This is going to be a generations long war and we need patience. That's George W. Bush.

CARLSON: Yea, that's one of the lines Bush uses, but it wasn't...

MADDOW: So why aren't we saying that he's getting his talking points from the republicans...

“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him. … And, again, I don’t know where he is. I — I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.”

George W. Bush, March 13, 2002

Audiotape Threaten Attack Against U.S. (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060119102809990008)
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Not to minimize the imminent threat of a terrorist attack (which realy should be the least of anyone's concerns)

I think were Bin Laden alive he would not be sending out audio tapes every couple of years, he would be doing what he was doin before the invasion of afganistan, which was sending out videos of himself on a regular basis.

In light of the lack of visual evidence (voices can be faked quite easily) of Osama, I think he is dead.

And on that note (the note that people like Chris Matthews are channeling RNC talking points), I present this:
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bush and osoma are one and the same!

In light of the lack of visual evidence (voices can be faked quite easily) of Osama, I think he is dead.

CIA analysts authenticated the voice as the genuine article. Unless you're saying the CIA is incompetent or easily duped.