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LONDON (AFP) - Referring Iran to the UN Security Council is now "a done deal", a European diplomatic source said as top-level diplomats from the world's leading powers huddled in London to chart the next step in the crisis over Tehran's controversial nuclear programme.
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Speaking on condition of anonymity, the European diplomatic source said the United States wanted an emergency meeting of the governors of the
International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna to be convened this week, "but it looks like it won't be until next week".

Such a delay will give the agency's director, Mohamed ElBaradei, time to prepare a new report on Iran's lack of cooperation with his inspectors.
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Oil prices have risen over fears about the stand-off with the energy-rich nation, with the prices in London gaining strongly on Monday, exceeding 63 dollars per barrel at one point during morning trade.

In another development, Iran banned the US-based all-news channel CNN, claiming it had misquoted President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as saying Iran wanted nuclear weapons when he actually said nuclear technology.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060116/ts_afp/iranpoliticsnuclear_060116160640;_ylt=Aj8KNKH072WquY9y3OMlZg9bbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--

Dices are rolling.. http://members.aol.com/lazydaisy41/images/dice.gif

What is your bet gentlemen? :cool:

The title you gave the thread seems to imply that Bush is going alone on this.

That hardly seems to be the case.

The title you gave the thread seems to imply that Bush is going alone on this.

That hardly seems to be the case. I do consider him the Responsible-in-chief.

but lets be clear.. Whenever I say something like Il Bushio's War.. I do NOT mean he is actually Fighting in the said war.. he is the Biggest ChickenHawk on earth.

If Bush had to personally be anywhere close to the action... There would be no US military actions whatsoever.
:D :D :p :D

Lets see...
1.The UNSC will debate, IAEC inspectors will be brought up as a way to verify that Iran's nuclear tech program is entirely peaceful.

2. Iran Refuses to allow them.
3. US/UK advise possible military action. France, China, Russia debate possible sanctions.
4. Insignificant sanctions are agreed upon. Iran laughs.
5. Harsher sanctions are brought up. Iranian leader looks out window, envisions hungry, angry mob. Caves, and allows nuclear inspectors.
6. France gloats, and says, see you silly Americans, we do not need to resort to violence. *snicker*
7. Inconclusive evidence shows that there may have been weapon research going on in a few sites, but they have been sanitized/abandoned, mysteriously while the inspectors were caught "in traffic."
8. Inspectors are then blocked from entering certain sites.
9. Inspectors find big warhead , that has "property of USSR" written on it but scratched out, and "Destroyer of Infadels" written in its place.
10. Russian ambassator to UN acts shocked. He says...you know...uh...we're with the US on this one. Those Iranians are BAD BAD people! They must have stolen that!
11. IAEC reports to UN. "Well, we would have found something, of they hadn't blocked our access to the room that said "Sercet Nuclear Bomb Research Area."
12. France says "well, that cound mean ANYTHING."
13. Israel says "to hell with you pansys", launches airstrike on all Iranian suspected nuclear sites.

And there was much rejoicing...

I do consider him the Responsible-in-chief.

but lets be clear.. Whenever I say something like Il Bushio's War.. I do NOT mean he is actually Figthing in the said war..

If Bush had to personally be anywhere close to the action... There would be no US military actions whatsoever.
:D :D :p :D

Your article mentions European leaders.

Small lesson: Bush is not the leader of a European country.

Your article mentions European leaders.

Small lesson: Bush is not the leader of a European country.

He mentioned Bush to

1. Get the Bush-beaters into the thread.
2. Get the Bush apologists into the thread.
3. Blame Bush for something.

Your article mentions European leaders.so?

Bush always Claimed that the Iraq war was a "Coalition of the Willing" thing..

I say that if the American government doesn't want Iran to have nuclear technology they should give up their own nuclear technology and stop being hippocrites. After all, if you feel threatend by Iranian nuclear weapons just think about how threatend they feel by yours.

so?
So how, from your article, do we arrive as "this is Bush"?

I say that if the American government doesn't want Iran to have nuclear technology they should give up their own nuclear technology and stop being hippocrites. After all, if you feel threatend by Iranian nuclear weapons just think about how threatend they feel by yours.

Thank you for providing no insight and utilizing absolutely no logic whatsoever.

So how, from your article, do we arrive as "this is Bush"?I am taking you for a ride..
and what amuses me most.. Is that you don't have a clue where I am taking you.

This is my Bus... I may let you drive for a while... even if you don't have a clue ..yet

fasten your seatbelts Sierra.

:D :D ;) :D

Thank you for providing no insight and ....Galbula has a good point...

and you have -so far- failed to adress it.

I am taking you for a ride..
and what amuses me most.. Is that you don't have a clue where I am taking you.

This is my Bus... I may let you drive for a while... even if you don't have a clue ..yet

fasten your seatbelts Sierra.

:D :D ;) :D

Hardly - unless you can prove that Europe is the puppet of the US.

Strange, Bush actually *plans* to go to the UN this time...

Hardly - unless you can prove that Europe is the puppet of the US.are you implying that the UK is the puppet of the US?

Because the UK was part of the infamous "Coalition of the Willing"

are you implying that the UK is the puppet of the US?

Because the UK was part of the infamous "Coalition of the Willing"

No, you're the one making the assertion that "Europe" is the puppet of the US, with your link and post.

Now, go prove it.

Galbula has a good point...

and you have -so far- failed to adress it.

You damn well know this subject has been covered in depth. I can't write a threadsworth of arguments in one post, so I'll link to the thread.

And his flawed logic is simple. If the US gave up their nuclear weapons, that does NOT mean everyone else will too. It will only encourage crackpot dictators/ evil nutjobs to get them. Because then they will have a bigger advantage.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462286&highlight=iran

He mentioned Bush to

1. Get the Bush-beaters into the thread.
2. Get the Bush apologists into the thread.
3. Blame Bush for something.
Heh! :D

So how, from your article, do we arrive as "this is Bush"?

Well don't you know. We have to blame Bush otherwise we would have no choice but to acknowledge our so called allys, Germany, France and Russia, the suppliers of technology and materials for this endevor have failed in their guarentee of being able to negotiate Iran's responsible behaivor in thier use. Now, by going to the criminals at the UN and getting some sanctions passed they can extend their worthless negotiations another ten years and triple their profits by ignoring the sanctions, and all the while blaming the US because the children are starving!
After 10 years of completely ignored sanctions, massive bribes and 30 or 40 resolutions, France or Germany will completly destroy any and all efforts to settle things peacefully in exchange for not being attacked, and start massive shipments of conventional weapons in order to maximize profits before the shooting starts and they once again have to pretend to be innocent allys.

This all sounds so strangely familiar.

No, you're the one making the assertion that "Europe" is the puppet of the US, with your link and post.I never "asserted" that.

use Quote function to prove I ever said that.

Well don't you know. We have to blame Bush otherwise we would have no choice but to acknowledge our so called allys, Germany, France and Russia, the suppliers of technology and materials for this endevor have failed in their guarentee of being able to negotiate Iran's responsible behaivor in thier use. Now, by going to the criminals at the UN and getting some sanctions passed they can extend their worthless negotiations another ten years and triple their profits by ignoring the sanctions, and all the while blaming the US because the children are starving!
After 10 years of completely ignored sanctions, massive bribes and 30 or 40 resolutions, France or Germany will completly destroy any and all efforts to settle things peacefully in exchange for not being attacked, and start massive shipments of conventional weapons in order to maximize profits before the shooting starts and they once again have to pretend to be innocent allys.

This all sounds so strangely familiar.
can you provide a linked article that confirms your alleged "guarentee" ?

My understanding is that there was never any "guarentees".

I hope Bush does take Iran to the Security Council; we can't allow them to get nuclear weapons and we need as much support as possible for the next step, be it sanctions or military action.

If Iran's program was peaceful, they would obey the UN.

Blame Bush for something.If Bush does not want to be blamed.. all he need is to do it allow real statesmen handle the issue.

If Il-Bushio had done just that for the Iraq Issue.. Il-Bushio would not be the World's whipping chimp.

If Iran's program was peaceful, they would obey the UN.you mean... like Israel obeys the UN ??? :confused:

I hope Bush does take Iran to the Security CouncilHe will trust me.. he is about to roll the dice.

*Going AFK..i will be back.*

I could give a less of a flying rat's ass about this whole situation (and would like to see Iran nuke the living snot out of red America, while American drops a shit load of its Fat Boys on the Islamic 'Republic', thus making everything equal), but I'm piss bored, so...

The way I see it...

If 'western' powers can hold nukes, they have a certain amount of 'negotiating' power, and the 'eastern' nations want the same luxury.

The Mouse Who Roared, anyone?

Or...better yet, the Cold War. The USSR and the USA could've nuked/bombed the other into oblivion, but there was restraint shown because there is a certain amount of fear that can be instilled into the human heart with the knowledge that your enemy has nukes. Likewise, that fear can be instilled into the heart of your enemy knowing that you too have the same capacity.

It makes for a better set of defense than offense for the most part.

The title you gave the thread seems to imply that Bush is going alone on this.

That hardly seems to be the case.

Considering how his approval ratings have dropped since the Iraq war started, He might be. :p

War with Iran in not possible anyway, is it? And even if it was possible, it wouldn't sort anything out, would it? Election would be organized, extremists would be elected and they would resume nuclear research.

you mean... like Israel obeys the UN ??? :confused:

Touche', pussycat! :D

War with Iran in not possible anyway, is it? And even if it was possible, it wouldn't sort anything out, would it? Election would be organized, extremists would be elected and they would resume nuclear research.

and then we invade again, being told we are going to war to "keep the peace"

I am taking you for a ride..
and what amuses me most.. Is that you don't have a clue where I am taking you.

This is my Bus... I may let you drive for a while... even if you don't have a clue ..yet

fasten your seatbelts Sierra.

:D :D ;) :D

Quick question OD, what happens when one of the juggling squirrels in your head drops a knife?

I never "asserted" that.

use Quote function to prove I ever said that.

Read the title of this thread:

"##BUSH to roll the UN dice..."

The article you linked to said it was the Europeans...