NationStates Jolt Archive

As an England fan, I will now never again buy the news of the world.

I know about Hillsborough etc, but I think that the Liverpool boycott of the sun has gone a bit far, yes it printed lies (as did all the other papers at the time).

But since then, all the staff have changed and also the ownership (I think, I'm not totally sure about that), so the people you're boycotting had nothing to do with the sun at the time. Not to mention that the Liverpool Echo which (as far as I'm aware) tries to keep the boycott going, is owned by the people who own the Daily Mirror, who'd benefit from keeping the boycott going.

You're better off not just reading the tabloids because they're generally rubbish and unreliable.

The News of the World - It's pretty desperate stuff, if you wanna real newspaper buy 'The Independent'

'My opinions may change, but not the fact that I am right.'

Whilst the above quote is appalling, your niavety regarding my stance against the sun newspaper is excusable if due to ignorance of the facts. Whilst it is true that the sun is under different management- I put it to you that so was Japan when they officially apologised for past misdemeanors. What the sun did was to relish the death of 96 people by printing sensational lies about LFC fans 'pissing' on the 'brave police' and abusing a young girl's dead body.

No subsequent management of the sun has ever apologised for this abomination.

I hope it is possible to change your opinion. Please visit the following link if you wish to know why feelings are so strong on this issue.
http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/comments_and_quotes/2006101/a23103231b.html

'My opinions may change, but not the fact that I am right.'

Whilst the above quote is appalling,
The quote is a joke, it's pointing out that everyone always believes that all the opinions they hold they are right, because the instant they think their opinions are wrong, they stop being their opinions.


your niavety regarding my stance against the sun newspaper is excusable if due to ignorance of the facts. Whilst it is true that the sun is under different management- I put it to you that so was Japan when they officially apologised for past misdemeanors. What the sun did was to relish the death of 96 people by printing sensational lies about LFC fans 'pissing' on the 'brave police' and abusing a young girl's dead body.

No subsequent management of the sun has ever apologised for this abomination.
Really? I've seen TV documentaries where they've apologised to the families, and I've seen at least one Sun article apologising. (no I don't read the sun).

I am in fact generally aware of the facts, having watched documentaries on it, and visited sites about it when pointed there by other Liverpool fans.

I don't remember hearing about an apology.

Which page was it on sun-reader, the front?

Now fuck off.

I don't remember hearing about an apology.

Which page was it on sun-reader, the front?

Now fuck off.

Boris Johnson was correct you know. Liverpool is a city "addicted to grief", utterly absorbed with the ancient wrongs done to it. Can you not forgive apaper, both the management and authors of which have altered, a "transgression" some 20 years previous? Evidently not.

Incidentally, why should bwe be concerned about your not reading the Sun or New of the World, since neither are indeed Newspapers, given the utter absence of real news.

Lastly, you want a footballing tragedy, try Munich 1958, the loss of the finest players in British football, and the greatest player to play for the biggest club in the world, Duncan Edwards.

I don't remember hearing about an apology.

Which page was it on sun-reader, the front?

Now fuck off.
I don't know, I don't read the sun, I saw it posted in another debate on the subject.

I can't help it if you didn't hear about the apology, they met with representatives of the families and asked them to accept the apology, the representatives took it back to the families and the families refused to reject, as to why I don't know, I'd speculate on the grounds that they just won't consider the option of forgiving the sun.

Imagine the sun (or any other rag for that matter) had written an article as disgraceful as the Hillsborough one, immediately following the 1958 Munich disaster with a view to selling a record number of papers. I have no doubt that Man Utd fans would feel the same sense of outrage.

Maybe what really seperates us is, if that were the case, I would forget who supports who and agree with you.

As for what you said about Liverpool folk being addicted to grief- you are clearly a complete prick. Best of luck with trying to come 3rd this season.

On a lighter note, well done to Robbie Fowler and the lads over at Manchester City with their wonderful 3-1 victory this weekend.

You're better off. All tabloids are rubbish.

Imagine the sun (or any other rag for that matter) had written an article as disgraceful as the Hillsborough one, immediately following the 1958 Munich disaster with a view to selling a record number of papers. I have no doubt that Man Utd fans would feel the same sense of outrage.

Maybe what really seperates us is, if that were the case, I would forget who supports who and agree with you.

As for what you said about Liverpool folk being addicted to grief- you are clearly a complete prick. Best of luck with trying to come 3rd this season.

On a lighter note, well done to Robbie Fowler and the lads over at Manchester City with their wonderful 3-1 victory this weekend.

At least we play football, not Gerrardball and Longball, and frankly, you've been damn lucky this season for the most part. All of the top 3 would beat you if Benitez actually attacked any team above the relegation zone.

As for the Sun, we probably wouldn't, I observed the broadcast wherein the Sun apologised to the corresponding families, and beyond a public apology, they were remarkably gracious.

Lastly, sorry for the full vehemence of the last post, its just I really find most scousers to be bloody objectionable.

Quote: 'I can't help it if you didn't hear about the apology, they met with representatives of the families and asked them to accept the apology, the representatives took it back to the families and the families refused to reject, as to why I don't know, I'd speculate on the grounds that they just won't consider the option of forgiving the sun.'

Surely, if a pack of lies at such a sensitive time are plastered all over the front page, shouldn't the apology be also.

This makes more sense to me than 'representatives' meeting with 'families'.

Once again please read the link.

Imagine the sun (or any other rag for that matter) had written an article as disgraceful as the Hillsborough one, immediately following the 1958 Munich disaster with a view to selling a record number of papers. I have no doubt that Man Utd fans would feel the same sense of outrage.

But the sun has apologised since, and as far as I know, no-one connected with the Sun's reporting is still at Hillsborough.

A lot of other paper's printed similar reports, then later withdrew them and apologised, the sun was slower to do this, but they have since withdrawn the articles and apologised at least once.

Quote: 'I can't help it if you didn't hear about the apology, they met with representatives of the families and asked them to accept the apology, the representatives took it back to the families and the families refused to reject, as to why I don't know, I'd speculate on the grounds that they just won't consider the option of forgiving the sun.'

Surely, if a pack of lies at such a sensitive time are plastered all over the front page, shouldn't the apology be also.

This makes more sense to me than 'representatives' meeting with 'families'.

Once again please read the link.
Since none of the families read the sun, that might be a bit pointless.

The Sun management asked to meet the families to apologise, the families of the 96 dead, chose representatives from within themselves to meet the Sun to see what they had to say and relay it back to all of the families and decide upon a response.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/comments_and_quotes/2006101/a23103231b.html

I don't want to talk about this any more, goodnight.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/comments_and_quotes/2006101/a23103231b.html

I don't want to talk about this any more, goodnight.
The key word in there is "unconditional", what the sun has done is to ask to personally apologise to the families of the 96 (which they did to the members of the families sent to represent all of the families) and ask them to stop the boycott campaign/, on the grounds that many papers printed falsehoods, then apologised, and afterwards hadn't been boycotted. The families rejected the apology and refused to drop the boycott campaign even if the Sun apologised.

Strange. I've heard of 'The Sun', but I never knew they also ran a newspaper.

Frankly, I don't see the need for a boycott. If the content of The Sun itself doesn't drive everybody away, I don't know what will.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/comments_and_quotes/2006101/a23103231b.html

I don't want to talk about this any more, goodnight.
The key word in there is "unconditional", what the sun has done is to ask to personally apologise to the families of the 96 (which they did to the members of the families sent to represent all of the families) and ask them to stop the boycott campaign/, on the grounds that many papers printed falsehoods, then apologised, and afterwards hadn't been boycotted. The families rejected the apology and refused to drop the boycott campaign even if the Sun apologised.

quotes from the guardian link contained wthin the anfield road link:

"John McCormick, 64, a retired labourer, said: 'The Sun is a disgrace. I won't have it in the house. It doesn't matter how often they apologise because it's too late. I will never forgive the Sun."

What Stretford hadn't bargained for was last Wednesday's Sun , which in response to local complaints issued a full-page apology for 'the most terrible mistake in its history', and claimed on its front page that Rooney had been 'hurt by a hate campaign' against him.

(emphasis mine)

"Kelvin MacKenzie, now head of the TalkSport radio station, refused to comment last week. But in 1993 he told the Commons national heritage committee: 'I regret Hillsborough. It was a fundamental mistake. The mistake was I believed what an MP said. It was a Tory MP. If he had not said it and the chief superintendent had not agreed with it, we would not have gone with it."

"Apology
The Sun devotes an entire page on Wednesday to saying sorry over Hillsborough... but upsets Liverpool all over again in the process."

Strange. I've heard of 'The Sun', but I never knew they also ran a newspaper.

Just out of intrest, what did you think was the primary business of "The Sun"?

Just out of intrest, what did you think was the primary business of "The Sun"?

Oh I know what The Sun is, I was just degrading them ;).

Oh I know what The Sun is, I was just degrading them ;).

My sarcasm detector must be on the blink.

My sarcasm detector must be on the blink.

I'm not surprised, mine exploded a few weeks ago. I need to start using smilies more...

The only thing i would ever by the Sun for is if i was appsolutley desperate for loo roll

As for what you said about Liverpool folk being addicted to grief- you are clearly a complete prick.

Well I'm clearly a complete prick too - because Liverpool folk ARE addicted to grief. I call the place: 'the self-pity city'. All you ever hear when you are there is 'woe is me' and how everyone in Britain picks on Liverpool. And on the radio you always hear people spouting off the most ridiculous ideolgical socialism - they're apparently unaware that it and Militant and trade-unionist tendancies ruined the place in the first place. And another thing that is very wrong in Liverpool is that no-one will take responsibility for their own actions or fate. I guess it is part of the 'woe is me' culture encountered in Liverpool. It's full of violent, uneducated stupid people and anyone with an ounce of sense gets the hell away as soon as they can. And how can I say these evil and vile things about the 'centre of the universe'? Easy. I grew up there and left at the first available opportunity.

Strange. I've heard of 'The Sun', but I never knew they also ran a newspaper.

Frankly, I don't see the need for a boycott. If the content of The Sun itself doesn't drive everybody away, I don't know what will.

fat chance while they have page 3...

But since then, all the staff have changed and also the ownership (I think, I'm not totally sure about that), so the people you're boycotting had nothing to do with the sun at the time.

It was owned by News International. It's still owned by News International. Anyone boycotting the Sun is not boycotting the staff, but the owner, Mr R Murdoch. Good on them i say.

The News of the World - It's pretty desperate stuff, if you wanna real newspaper buy 'The Independent'
I agree. I also find it amusing that people refer to the Sun as a "newspaper"!

As the owner and user of a brain, I do not buy the Sun newspaper.

The sun has 2 redeeming attributes.
They can usually be found attached to a model on page 3.

I like the Sun.

But then I grew up in Newcastle, so it's to be expected.

What is it with Liverpool anyway?