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Would anyone like to read my assignment?

Dakini
15-01-2006, 19:33
My prof asked us to look up intelligent design on the web and see what's out there and basically give a little review of it. It couldn't be more than one page long (so there's not too much to read) here it is:

Intelligent Design Online

Entering the phrase “intelligent design” into the search engine Google shows that it is a fairly popular topic with 14,700,000 results. There is much variety in the opinions on the first page alone, from sites such as intelligentdesignnetwork.org discovery.org and arn.org which are very supportive of the so-called theory, to encyclopaedia articles such as found on wikipedia, for a more neutral stance to sites with their own “theory” of intelligent design, venganza.org, to sites such as skeptic.com, actionbioscience.org and talkorigins.org which present the opposing side to the debate.
Upon reading the supporting arguments from intelligentdesignnetwork.org and discovery.org, what struck the author at first was the one-sided debate. News articles and editorials were only presented in a manner that was rather biased. The intelligent design network webpage, for instance, featured, not links to other news sites, but their own fairly biased version of the news, in a report on the outcome of the trial in Dover, the judge’s decision was referred to as “twisted” and enforcing a “state-sponsored ideology”. It was appalling to find this sort of behaviour from a group that claimed to be seeking objectivity in the discussion. The discovery institute website presents only news and information from its side of the debate. Upon reading some of the articles from its fellows, one might note that the opposing arguments are dismissed as lacking evidence, but no further elaboration is given. The news articles read like editorials and the website is clearly of a political, rather than scientific nature, not that it really claims otherwise.
Wikipedia presents the arguments given for intelligent design as well as responses from critics on these arguments, a section on who is leading the intelligent design movement, the controversy surrounding it and whether or not it is actually science in a way that the author feels is rather unbiased.
Venganza.org is of course the home of the famous Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of the formation of the universe. While it does not present a scientific perspective, as it plots the number of pirates versus the average global temperature, it provides a satirical look at the intelligent design movement.
The websites in opposition of intelligent design seemed to be well put together, skeptic.com presents the intelligent design argument and brings in flaws with intelligent design primarily from the stance that proponents of intelligent design make logical errors in their arguments, but also from a well researched scientific perspective, even providing links to each argument so one could have a look for oneself instead of taking them on their word. ActionBioScience.org has the aim of promoting bioscience literacy and features a report originally printed in Natural History, in which intelligent design proponents go head to head with proponents of evolution. The intelligent design argument of one author is presented and then refuted. This report is especially interesting as some of the key players of intelligent design, Behe and Dembski, are brought into the discussion and their arguments are torn to pieces. The final rebuttal of the piece discusses “Evo-Devo” that the same genes do different things in different organisms based on whether they are turned on or off. To conclude the report, an article on the evangelical bent of intelligent design is presented. It is especially damning considering that some of the most political, anti-science things have been said and written by the founders of the intelligent design movement. It leaves the reader with the impression that the science of intelligent design is perhaps just an afterthought.


Questions, comments and suggestions are appreciated, though this is a full page right here I really couldn't cram anything else into this thing if I tried...
Turquoise Days
15-01-2006, 19:43
Raaar! You are biased yourself in dismissing the Intelligent Design sights as biased. You are an anti religion bigot! </joke>:p

Looks pretty good to me. What level is this, High School/Uni/Space College?
Dakini
15-01-2006, 19:47
Raaar! You are biased yourself in dismissing the Intelligent Design sights as biased. You are an anti religion bigot! </joke>:p

Looks pretty good to me. What level is this, High School/Uni/Space College?
Uni. It's for my Inquiry into Physics class, we focus on presenting our ideas instead of the rest of my classes which focus on developing the ability to come up with said ideas. So there's a lot of presentations and written assignments.

And hey, at least the non-intelligent design websites presented both sides of the argument.
Pure Metal
15-01-2006, 19:49
*opens up can of worms*


nice, and, i should guess, accurate writing there :)


edit: that's for Physics? :confused:
Turquoise Days
15-01-2006, 19:55
*opens up can of worms*


nice, and, i should guess, accurate writing there :)


edit: that's for Physics? :confused:
You know, the logic and issues behind Science. To study science, you must first understand it, my young padawan.;)
Dakini
15-01-2006, 20:08
*opens up can of worms*


nice, and, i should guess, accurate writing there :)
Thank you. :)


edit: that's for Physics? :confused:
Like I said, the class isn't so much about physics as it is about being able to express your thoughts and ideas. The written assignments have been more for developing technical writing abilities than anything.

Also, we had a discussion on intelligent design in our class, so a written assignment on it was natural.
Pure Metal
15-01-2006, 20:15
You know, the logic and issues behind Science. To study science, you must first understand it, my young padawan.;)
Like I said, the class isn't so much about physics as it is about being able to express your thoughts and ideas. The written assignments have been more for developing technical writing abilities than anything.

Also, we had a discussion on intelligent design in our class, so a written assignment on it was natural.
hah, sorry... i was just surprised cos it sounds a lot more interesting and involving than the dusty-chalkboard mixed with second-rate maths teachers that my physics lessons seemed to revolve around :p

so if the assignment is for critical analysis and technical writing then i think you've done a good job *nods*
just not enough nonsense equations in there for my old physics teachers ;)
Dakini
15-01-2006, 20:19
hah, sorry... i was just surprised cos it sounds a lot more interesting and involving than the dusty-chalkboard mixed with second-rate maths teachers that my physics lessons seemed to revolve around :p

so if the assignment is for critical analysis and technical writing then i think you've done a good job *nods*
just not enough nonsense equations in there for my old physics teachers ;)
Second rate maths?! Blaspehmy!

Physics is to math what sex is to masturbation - Richard Feynman
Turquoise Days
15-01-2006, 20:36
Second rate maths?! Blaspehmy!

Physics is to math what sex is to masturbation - Richard Feynman
:D The genius of Feynman strikes again!
Zolony
15-01-2006, 20:40
Bravo!
Super-power
15-01-2006, 22:10
Ahahahahah you brought up FSM!! Excellent
Dakini
15-01-2006, 22:12
Ahahahahah you brought up FSM!! Excellent
It's one of the first 10 links on google and it's far too awesome to leave out.

(we were allowed to directly mention up to 10 websites)
The Black Forrest
15-01-2006, 22:21
Not bad.

I wish I could send you the quote but the guy who wrote a biology book that is used in 1/4 of the US Highschool classes said something like this.

There has been a comparison of ID and the big bang theory. The Big Bang theory was not liked and over time it was accepted.

However, the BB propenents didn't hire a publicity firm to help their cause. They didn't publish many op-ed pieces that attacked the opposing theory. They didn't get involved in politics. They didn't hastle School boards for acceptance.

They kept testing and researching and over time other people tried the tests and accepting the idea.

ID is based on the ignorant stance that if we can't explain it there must be a designer involved.


The gist is there but his quote was much better. :)
The Black Forrest
15-01-2006, 22:23
Second rate maths?! Blaspehmy!

Physics is to math what sex is to masturbation - Richard Feynman

If you want to really screw something up, put a physicist in charge

--- My physics prof commenting on Carter.

;)
Peisandros
15-01-2006, 23:17
Well being from New Zealand I haven't been bothered to do much reading on ID, as it doesn't seem revelant to me at all lol.
So, ignoring that I know nearly nothing about it.. Yea, good assignment :p
Dakini
15-01-2006, 23:24
Not bad.

I wish I could send you the quote but the guy who wrote a biology book that is used in 1/4 of the US Highschool classes said something like this.

There has been a comparison of ID and the big bang theory. The Big Bang theory was not liked and over time it was accepted.

However, the BB propenents didn't hire a publicity firm to help their cause. They didn't publish many op-ed pieces that attacked the opposing theory. They didn't get involved in politics. They didn't hastle School boards for acceptance.

They kept testing and researching and over time other people tried the tests and accepting the idea.

ID is based on the ignorant stance that if we can't explain it there must be a designer involved.


The gist is there but his quote was much better. :)
That's a pretty good kinda quote... especially if it was summed up with "and this is the difference between real science and fake science" :)
Pure Metal
15-01-2006, 23:26
Second rate maths?! Blaspehmy!

Physics is to math what sex is to masturbation - Richard Feynman
i know physics r00lz! maths sucx0rz!11!1

no really, maths is a useful discipline (which i do suck at) but physics is interesting and logical, not to mention exciting *is a geek* (but thats only so long as you leave the maths out of it...)
If you want to really screw something up, put a physicist in charge

--- My physics prof commenting on Carter.

;)
lol! :p

reminds me of something one of my politics lecturers said when discussing plato's 'philosopher-kings'

"this is complete toss. if you actually know a philosopher, you know that they, and their species, should never - ever - be let near anything that actually works."

hehe made me laugh anyhow :P
Determined cows
15-01-2006, 23:27
That assignment looks pretty good, sorry I can't give you any useful pointers.
Dakini
15-01-2006, 23:29
That assignment looks pretty good, sorry I can't give you any useful pointers.
That's ok, I like it the way it is mostly now and I wouldn't have much room to add anything in. I just hope I do well on it, I'm tired of getting low A's and high B's on these things.
Gaithersburg
15-01-2006, 23:31
You did a lot of good research though your writing needs to be clearer. Also, I thought it was kind of biased. (When you are trying to be unbiased, don't call something a "so-called thoery") You might also want to give a small explanation of what intelligent design is.
Dakini
15-01-2006, 23:35
You did a lot of good research though your writing needs to be clearer. Also, I thought it was kind of biased. (When you are trying to be unbiased, don't call something a "so-called thoery") You might also want to give a small explanation of what intelligent design is.
Defining intelligent design wasn't really part of the assignment. The assignment was to see what's out there on the web.
Pure Metal
15-01-2006, 23:37
You might also want to give a small explanation of what intelligent design is.
good thinking, batman. never assume the person marking knows what the hell you're talking about. (probably more true for essays but meh...)

also you could save words in the closing statements by replacing "turned on or off" with simply "whether they are dominant"

The final rebuttal of the piece discusses “Evo-Devo” that the same genes do different things in different organisms based on whether they are turned on or off.

ok it only saves 3 words but if you're up against a word limit, every little helps...
Dakini
15-01-2006, 23:49
good thinking, batman. never assume the person marking knows what the hell you're talking about. (probably more true for essays but meh...)
But I know my prof knows what it is and he's the one marking it.

also you could save words in the closing statements by replacing "turned on or off" with simply "whether they are dominant"

ok it only saves 3 words but if you're up against a word limit, every little helps...
From my understanding, it really wasn't a matter of dominance or recessiveness, but that certain genes would perform a different role in a different species depending on whether they're activated in a certain way or not. (So snakes have the genes for legs, but they're turned off) whereas in cases of dominance and recessiveness, it's just a matter of having two copies of one allele for a recessive trait to manifest itself.
Also, I'm up against a space limit, not a word limit.