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Thieves in Venezuela have stolen a unit containing Cesium 137 used in the oil industry. Considering that Al Q. has cells in S. America and Chavez isn't a big fan of the US, could the radioactive material be headed for the US?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060105/od_nm/venezuela_radioactivity_dc;_ylt=AnNRWxNqEHuL5x6BsXU8dHys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-

http://tinypic.com/k4t5j4.jpg

crap thats just what we need now.
Well, if they send it up this way, they will have no problem
getting it past our open southern border. I suppose people
will still protest the Minuteman Project, for being racist,
instead of noticing that they are trying to shut down
illeagle immigration and people who would want to sneak
radioactive stuff into our land. What do you think?

Thieves in Venezuela have stolen a unit containing Cesium 137 used in the oil industry. Considering that Al Q. has cells in S. America and Chavez isn't a big fan of the US, could the radioactive material be headed for the US?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060105/od_nm/venezuela_radioactivity_dc;_ylt=AnNRWxNqEHuL5x6BsXU8dHys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3NW1oMDRpBHNlYwM3NTc-

http://tinypic.com/k4t5j4.jpg
Well as it seems impossible to build a dirty bomb that can disperse the material thoroughly enough to cause any serious harm, maybe they're planning to plaster it into somebody's wall then declare a victory for the shariah when the victim develops cancer.

That picture was quite...odd...is that real? I doubt it is,but you never know.

Also, I doubt that they are going to build a bomb, they'll probably sell it.

That picture was quite...odd...is that real? I doubt it is,but you never know.

Also, I doubt that they are going to build a bomb, they'll probably sell it.
Yes it's real. It's the unfortunate effect of radiation on the human body. Ionizing radiation from a smoke detector caused that man to mutate.

Well, unless Chavez wants his left-wing kleptocracy to be cut short by a US invasion, he'd be well advised to prevent such a thing from happening.

It wouldn't surprise me if the thieves were working *with* the Venezuela government. Considering that they've just donated a bunch of oil to us it seems like the perfect cover through which to slip...

remember how fast we wiped up Grenada and Panama?

remember how fast we wiped up Grenada and Panama?

Yes, truly. All small piss poor third world countries stand in awe of your brave military achievements in the 80's and early 90's.

so what would we do if Venezuala screwed with us?
Well, a heck of a lot better than Iraq I'll tell you what!
lol! ;)

Well as it seems impossible to build a dirty bomb that can disperse the material thoroughly enough to cause any serious harm, maybe they're planning to plaster it into somebody's wall then declare a victory for the shariah when the victim develops cancer.

That's what I've heard. Apparently the US experimented with 'dirty bombs' but found that they spread the radioactive material over too large an area to have any real effect.

Yes it's real. It's the unfortunate effect of radiation on the human body. Ionizing radiation from a smoke detector caused that man to mutate.

I wish _I_ had a double set of genitals, I could fail-to-get-off with 2 women at once.

God I'm lonely... :p

Hey, read this thread and then read the "Is America Paranoid?" thread.. though I suppose it makes sense.. of course those dirty commies use dirty bombs!

Well as it seems impossible to build a dirty bomb that can disperse the material thoroughly enough to cause any serious harm, maybe they're planning to plaster it into somebody's wall then declare a victory for the shariah when the victim develops cancer.

You can say "doesn't cause any serious harm" all you like. The effect of a dirty bomb is mass panic and fear, not casualties. It's extremely good at doing just that.

so what would we do if Venezuala screwed with us?
Well, a heck of a lot better than Iraq I'll tell you what!
lol! ;)
No es bueno! Remember Vietnam? Its the same, only this time we run out of oil in the middle of the war!

It could be that the thieves were just doing what thieves do- stealing something- and didn't know what they were taking. I would be a lot more concerned about the amount of nuclear material from the former USSR that is sold on the international black market- if you want to make a bomb, then surely weapons grade plutonium or uranium is a better bet, not that I know a lot about Caesium-137.

It could be that the thieves were just doing what thieves do- stealing something- and didn't know what they were taking. I would be a lot more concerned about the amount of nuclear material from the former USSR that is sold on the international black market- if you want to make a bomb, then surely weapons grade plutonium or uranium is a better bet, not that I know a lot about Caesium-137.

Meh, we could just wait for rain and watch for the explosion.:p

Thieves in Venezuela have stolen a unit containing Cesium 137 used in the oil industry. Considering that Al Q. has cells in S. America and Chavez isn't a big fan of the US, could the radioactive material be headed for the US?

Did you acually read the article? It said that the police had arrested some thieves so that implies that it wasn't a government operation.

Authorities arrested three police officers in December after they were linked to the robbery of a truck carrying a device containing Iridium-192, used to check oil pipelines

Of course, I realise that logic is completely irrelevant when anything happens in South America that could conceivably be blamed on Chavez.:rolleyes:

Well, unless Chavez wants his left-wing kleptocracy to be cut short by a US invasion, he'd be well advised to prevent such a thing from happening.

Let me get this straight, if thieves steal this material in Venezuela and it's used to attack America then the US has the right to invade despite there being no mention of any kind of government involvement in the theft?

During the troubles in Northern Ireland many Americans of Irish decent directly contributed money to IRA operations and the President invited the head of the IRA to the White House every St Patrick's Day. Does this mean Britain would have had the right to bomb the White House?

Oh, and incidently I think the Shrub has already prevented an invasion of Venezuela by commiting large numbers of US millitary personnal to the Middle East and pissing off 99% of his potential allies. Good job!

It could be that the thieves were just doing what thieves do- stealing something- and didn't know what they were taking. I would be a lot more concerned about the amount of nuclear material from the former USSR that is sold on the international black market- if you want to make a bomb, then surely weapons grade plutonium or uranium is a better bet, not that I know a lot about Caesium-137.
Isn't Cesium 137 more radioactive than Uranium 235?

Did you acually read the article? It said that the police had arrested some thieves so that implies that it wasn't a government operation.



Of course, I realise that logic is completely irrelevant when anything happens in South America that could conceivably be blamed on Chavez.:rolleyes:
Did you read the article? The arrests were in connection with another incident where radioactive isotopes of Iridium were stolen. This is a separate incident.

It wouldn't surprise me if the thieves were working *with* the Venezuela government.

Authorities arrested three police officers in December after they were linked to the robbery of a truck carrying a device containing Iridium-192, used to check oil pipelines

If you try reading the article it would imply that state employees (police) are apprehending those who steal radioactive material.

Considering that they've just donated a bunch of oil to us it seems like the perfect cover through which to slip...

This is just laughable, can't you accept that just because someone is left wing doesn't mean they're 'T3H 3\/ILX0RS!!1!'?

Could it have been an act of charity and nothing more? You're not even making an effort to hide your obvious prejudice.

Look, I don't think Chavez is dumb enough to think that he could ship a dirty bomb over here and get away with it, but it's a fact that Al Quaeda cells are operating in S. America. It's also quite possible that they're bribing government beurocrats, military and police officers and stuff to help them steal this sort of material.

No, it wouldn't cause mass casualties, but it would force expensive cleanup efforts, close down a section of realestate (probably valuable realestate, like in NY's financial district) for a while, and have a psychological impact.

Did you read the article? The arrests were in connection with another incident where radioactive isotopes of Iridium were stolen. This is a separate incident.

Well considering that the title of the article was 'Thieves steal another radioactive unit' I assumed we were talking about all of the thefts. Also, the previous incident shows that there are thieves out there who are not the government and I see no reason to blame Chavez rather than a different gang of thieves.

During the troubles in Northern Ireland many Americans of Irish decent directly contributed money to IRA operations and the President invited the head of the IRA to the White House every St Patrick's Day. Does this mean Britain would have had the right to bomb the White House?


Actually, I've always thought that the UK had the right to strike boston with a few cruise missiles every time an IRA bomb went off.

As a US person, I do find the lack of prosecution of NORAID sympathizers, and thier exemption from the war on international terrorism hypocritical.

Ah well, thank you teddy kennedy.

This is just laughable, can't you accept that just because someone is left wing doesn't mean they're 'T3H 3\/ILX0RS!!1!'?

Yes it does, all filthy commies are terrorists. It's a fact. :mp5: :sniper: :headbang:

Look, I don't think Chavez is dumb enough to think that he could ship a dirty bomb over here and get away with it, but it's a fact that Al Quaeda cells are operating in S. America. It's also quite possible that they're bribing government beurocrats, military and police officers and stuff to help them steal this sort of material.

No, it wouldn't cause mass casualties, but it would force expensive cleanup efforts, close down a section of realestate (probably valuable realestate, like in NY's financial district) for a while, and have a psychological impact.

Fair enough, my main issue with your post was the comment about 'Chavez not being too keen on the US' which seemed to imply that he was in on it.

Actually, I've always thought that the UK had the right to strike boston with a few cruise missiles every time an IRA bomb went off.

As a US person, I do find the lack of prosecution of NORAID sympathizers, and thier exemption from the war on international terrorism hypocritical.

Ah well, thank you teddy kennedy.
In the early 1980s, in the Washington DC Area, I distinctly remembering enjoying a few Irish pubs in Old Town Alexandria - until I was present one night when during a break in a band's session, they "passed the hat for the IRA".

Never went back to a single Irish pub again.

Yes it does, all filthy commies are terrorists. It's a fact. :mp5: :sniper: :headbang:

I'm surprised we have time to be terrorists what with all the devil worship and baby eating.:p

Fair enough, my main issue with your post was the comment about 'Chavez not being too keen on the US' which seemed to imply that he was in on it.
I just dashed off the post really quickly in order to have an excuse to post that weird picture. When I do stuff like that sometimes the post isn't completely thought out.

Oh no! Venezuela has links to al-Qaeda and WMDs!

Isn't Cesium 137 more radioactive than Uranium 235?

I'm no expert but if I was a terrorist with a large quantity of Caesium I'd use it in a conventional bomb rather than a dirty one.

Have you ever seen the effect of water on a tiny piece of Caesium? It's well worth seeing (preferably from a distance).:) I'll try and find the video.

Oh no! Venezuela has links to al-Qaeda and WMDs!

And oil, don't forget the oil...

I'm no expert but if I was a terrorist with a large quantity of Caesium I'd use it in a conventional bomb rather than a dirty one.

Have you ever seen the effect of water on a tiny piece of Caesium? It's well worth seeing (preferably from a distance).:) I'll try and find the video.
Yeah, I know. It's like Potassium only worse. Probably the Cesium is in the form of a salt though. You wouldn't want your expensive equipment exploding because it's humid out. Also if you had pure cesium and you mixed it with water to make it explode it would still be a dirty bomb. Cesium hydroxide is still radioactive.

I just dashed off the post really quickly in order to have an excuse to post that weird picture. When I do stuff like that sometimes the post isn't completely thought out.

I would ask you where you found the picture but I probably don't want to know.:D

I would ask you where you found the picture but I probably don't want to know.:D
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Yeah, I know. It's like Potassium only worse. Probably the Cesium is in the form of a salt though. You wouldn't want your expensive equipment exploding because it's humid out. Also if you had pure cesium and you mixed it with water to make it explode it would still be a dirty bomb. Cesium hydroxide is still radioactive.

I confess that my chemistry education ended at the age of sixteen, I just have happy memories of watching sodium buzzing around a tank of water.

I'm surprised we have time to be terrorists what with all the devil worship and baby eating.:p

Don't forget stealing from your betters. :p

Yeah, evidently, Chavez is a bad dictator with ties to Al-Qaeda and so on. Hell, he probably has some WMD's, dating back to when Venezuela was ruled by a puppet dictator.

That's more than enough for americans to invade Venezuela and liberate the Oil from these baby-eating socialists...

/Sarcasm off.

but it's a fact that Al Quaeda cells are operating in S. America. It's also quite possible that they're bribing government beurocrats, military and police officers and stuff to help them steal this sort of material.
Drunk Commies, could you prove that:
A)Al-Qaeda has operating cells in South America? If so, where and how large are they? (Hell, they even have operating cells in Spain, guess we should nuke 'em, spaniards...)
B)That your second speculation isn't pure bullshit only to corroborate your version of "Al-Qaeda are stealing nuclear mat. from Venezuela to use it in the USA"?

To me, all the article looked like some pro-US bullshit, probably an event orchestrated by some CIA operative to give the U.S something to talk about at the U.N when they decide to invade Venezuela.

Yeah, evidently, Chavez is a bad dictator with ties to Al-Qaeda and so on. Hell, he probably has some WMD's, dating back to when Venezuela was ruled by a puppet dictator.

That's more than enough for americans to invade Venezuela and liberate the Oil from these baby-eating socialists...

/Sarcasm off.


Drunk Commies, could you prove that:
A)Al-Qaeda has operating cells in South America? If so, where and how large are they? (Hell, they even have operating cells in Spain, guess we should nuke 'em, spaniards...)
B)That your second speculation isn't pure bullshit only to corroborate your version of "Al-Qaeda are stealing nuclear mat. from Venezuela to use it in the USA"?

To me, all the article looked like some pro-US bullshit, probably an event orchestrated by some CIA operative to give the U.S something to talk about at the U.N when they decide to invade Venezuela.
Question: The Honduran government recently declared a national terror alert amid intelligence reports that al Qaeda was trying to recruit Hondurans to attack foreign embassies, and more broadly amid reports that al Qaeda is using Latin America as a staging ground to plan attacks on the U.S. and its allies. How significant is the al Qaeda threat in Latin America?
from http://www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=133

See also http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3879146

As for the rest of your post, To me, all the article looked like some pro-US bullshit, probably an event orchestrated by some CIA operative to give the U.S something to talk about at the U.N when they decide to invade Venezuela Well, I can't debate your predjudiced opinions. You're free to think whatever you want, but criticizing my post for speculation and then speculating that "Some CIA operative" staged this is kinda hypocritical.

Regarding my last post and the person I was responding to, why is it that so many people on the left don't seem to have ever done any research into Al Qaeda yet seem perfectly willing to comment on it?

I'm no expert but if I was a terrorist with a large quantity of Caesium I'd use it in a conventional bomb rather than a dirty one.

Have you ever seen the effect of water on a tiny piece of Caesium? It's well worth seeing (preferably from a distance).:) I'll try and find the video.
That was on Braniac a while ago :)
Caesium isotopes, IIRC are more active than Uranium, in that decays occur more often. This means that the half life is on the order of days to hours (which is why they use it in medical scanners and these pipelines - it buggers off when they're done) and hence is not a long term threat. I don't know how ionising the radiation is, but the higher activity might make it a larger short term threat, if given in large enough doses. As Drunk Commies said, the real threat from a 'dirty bomb' is not radiation, but the panic it may cause. Dirty bombs are unlikely to kill many more people than a conventional bomb of the same size.

Regarding my last post and the person I was responding to, why is it that so many people on the left don't seem to have ever done any research into Al Qaeda yet seem perfectly willing to comment on it?I could say the same about the 'right', as there are asshats on both sides.

Well, unless Chavez wants his left-wing kleptocracy to be cut short by a US invasion, he'd be well advised to prevent such a thing from happening.

Using what troops, your army is stuck in the dessert fighting aginst secular saddam resistance, and shite fundamentalists...

You can say "doesn't cause any serious harm" all you like. The effect of a dirty bomb is mass panic and fear, not casualties. It's extremely good at doing just that.
Really? It's news to me that one's ever been used.
As for the mass panic and fear, assuming that actually happened, it'd be the result of unsubstantiated scaremongering by people who should know better. If the American government and media are more interested in lying through their teeth to scare the population into accepting whatever ridiculous shit Bush is pulling this month than informing them that it's impossible to build a working dirty bomb, they have nobody to blame but themselves should this problem arise.

Don't forget stealing from your betters. :p

So to recap: we're devil-worshipping terrorists who steal babies from our betters and eat them.

Sadly I think we'd have more chance of winning the US elections with that manifesto than we would with the traditional Communist one.:(

If the American government and media are more interested in lying through their teeth to scare the population into accepting whatever ridiculous shit Bush is pulling this month than informing them that it's impossible to build a working dirty bomb, they have nobody to blame but themselves should this problem arise.

Except the devil-worshipping commie terrorists!!! :mad:

So to recap: we're devil-worshipping terrorists who steal babies from our betters and eat them.

Sadly I think we'd have more chance of winning the US elections with that manifesto than we would with the traditional Communist one.:(
I dunno about that: the devil-worshipping, terrorist-supporting, baby-eating manifesto didn't do Kerry any good in '04, did it?

I dunno about that: the devil-worshipping, terrorist-supporting, baby-eating manifesto didn't do Kerry any good in '04, did it?

LOL...he/she said *more* of a chance, not a credible chance. :p

LOL...he/she said *more* of a chance, not a credible chance. :p
Fair point. :D

Really? It's news to me that one's ever been used.
As for the mass panic and fear, assuming that actually happened, it'd be the result of unsubstantiated scaremongering by people who should know better. If the American government and media are more interested in lying through their teeth to scare the population into accepting whatever ridiculous shit Bush is pulling this month than informing them that it's impossible to build a working dirty bomb, they have nobody to blame but themselves should this problem arise.

Ummm....

A long time before Bush, there was a thing in the US called Three Mile Island.

Technically speaking, an insignificant amount of radiation was released. But, because of hype and fearmongering by anti-nuclear folks, panic ensued. Far, far out of proportion to any real effect or real risk.

Don't blame Bush for people being frightened of the word, "radioactive".

Ummm....

A long time before Bush, there was a thing in the US called Three Mile Island.

Technically speaking, an insignificant amount of radiation was released. But, because of hype and fearmongering by anti-nuclear folks, panic ensued. Far, far out of proportion to any real effect or real risk.

Don't blame Bush for people being frightened of the word, "radioactive".
That's true, and after Three Mile Island, there was Chernobyl, and a significant amount of radiation was released at that one.

Here's my problem with nuclear--things don't go wrong often, but when they do, they tend to go catastrophically wrong, and they have horrible long-term consequences. Plus, there's still the problem of storage of the waste products to deal with. I know that in terms of the climate, nuclear is greener than fossil fuels, but I'm afraid that, at least here in the US, if we go more nuclear, we'll stop putting as much effort and money into renewable energy, and that's where I think our long term strategy has to go.

Just one tiny thing: if Chavez is a political foe of Bush, he has absolutely nothing against the US citizens. He proposed to give 5 millions of dollars of help to New Orleans victims, proposed to help US citizen with no medical coverage, and proposed to sell cheap oil directly to the poorest of US citizen.

A long time before Bush, there was a thing in the US called Three Mile Island.

Technically speaking, an insignificant amount of radiation was released. But, because of hype and fearmongering by anti-nuclear folks, panic ensued. Far, far out of proportion to any real effect or real risk.

Don't blame Bush for people being frightened of the word, "radioactive".
So Bush has been making a serious effort to naysay this ridiculous bullshit about dirty bombs, then? A press release could kill this story flat, but as soon as something does go bang (and sooner or later something will) there'll be precisely this sort of panic going on again.
And really, if he wasn't sharing a bed with the elements of the religious right who consider "science" a scary word, then the average American might have a better idea about the risks and hazards of radioactivity. Bush damned well is culpable for this in my opinion: all these idiots trying to insist that evolutionists can't teach Darwinism in science classes are doing it a lot more on his watch than they were under Clinton, and it appears to be part of a general argument of anti-intellectuallism that the chimp is supporting by doing nothing, if not by actually talking up.

So Bush has been making a serious effort to naysay this ridiculous bullshit about dirty bombs, then? A press release could kill this story flat, but as soon as something does go bang (and sooner or later something will) there'll be precisely this sort of panic going on again.
And really, if he wasn't sharing a bed with the elements of the religious right who consider "science" a scary word, then the average American might have a better idea about the risks and hazards of radioactivity. Bush damned well is culpable for this in my opinion: all these idiots trying to insist that evolutionists can't teach Darwinism in science classes are doing it a lot more on his watch than they were under Clinton, and it appears to be part of a general argument of anti-intellectuallism that the chimp is supporting by doing nothing, if not by actually talking up.

Yes, I'm sure that people like you would buy Bush saying that dirty bombs weren't a real problem.

I'm sure that the Democrats would trot out Jane Fonda and her old movie about the hazards of radiation and the evils of Republicans or trot out Meryl Streep and her movie about the hazards of radiation and the evils of Republicans and have a field day if Bush got up and said that dirty bombs weren't a real problem.

In fact, I'm sure that Nazz, Gymoor, and others here would have a field day with any attempt by the current administration to minimize the apparent risk of radiation exposure.

[QUOTE=Drunk commies deleted]Look, I don't think Chavez is dumb enough to think that he could ship a dirty bomb over here and get away with it, but it's a fact that Al Quaeda cells are operating in S. America. [QUOTE]

"a fact" according to who, precisely?

[QUOTE=Randomlittleisland]
During the troubles in Northern Ireland many Americans of Irish decent directly contributed money to IRA operations and the President invited the head of the IRA to the White House every St Patrick's Day.[QUOTE]

No, he didn't. Who was the head of the IRA invited in (for instance) 1980?

[QUOTE=Lacadaemon]
As a US person, I do find the lack of prosecution of NORAID sympathizers, and thier exemption from the war on international terrorism hypocritical. .[QUOTE]

Not half as hypocritical as the whole Contra thing, and not extraditing Kissinger, for example....

No, he didn't. Who was the head of the IRA invited in (for instance) 1980?

Probably Gerry Adams but my NI history isn't that great.

Probably Gerry Adams but my NI history isn't that great.

Adams was the head for three months in 1977-8

Wiki list of IRA heads. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRA_Chiefs_of_Staff)

Adams was the head for three months in 1977-8

Wiki list of IRA heads. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRA_Chiefs_of_Staff)

He's still the head of Sinn Fein as far as I know.

He's still the head of Sinn Fein as far as I know.

Sinn Fein is not the IRA.

Sinn Fein is not the IRA.

Sinn Fein = IRA in a cheap suit

Probably Gerry Adams but my NI history isn't that great.


In fact Sinn Fein were Personae Non Grata until the second Ceasefire. Adams is not head of the Army council either, but thats neither here nor there. I believe it was Clinton who was the first to have Sinn Fein in the Whitehouse.

Sinn Fein = IRA in a cheap suit.

Not exactly, and Armani is not cheap.

Yes, I'm sure that people like you would buy Bush saying that dirty bombs weren't a real problem.

I'm sure that the Democrats would trot out Jane Fonda and her old movie about the hazards of radiation and the evils of Republicans or trot out Meryl Streep and her movie about the hazards of radiation and the evils of Republicans and have a field day if Bush got up and said that dirty bombs weren't a real problem.

In fact, I'm sure that Nazz, Gymoor, and others here would have a field day with any attempt by the current administration to minimize the apparent risk of radiation exposure.
Calling that a strawman would be dignifying it unduly: if Bush hadn't been scaremongering, and the fact that dirty bombs were unworkable had been disseminated through the media, the situation you're worried about happening wouldn't be able to exist. Unfortunately, if you keep the people paranoid and ignorant, you're going to have to accept that they'll have a tendency towards mass hysteria. It's a natural result of keeping people uninformed (or perhaps misinformed) and trying to scare them, unfortunately. Neocons need to learn to take the rough with the smooth in this respect, rather than blaming everything on crap films from the '70s starring a baby eating liberal.

And to be honest, I wouldn't have any problem with Bush claiming that dirty bombs are unworkable, as that appears to be a fact: the CIA aren't infallible, but they've pissed away enough time and money trying to make one to demonstrate that the idea doesn't have legs.

In fact Sinn Fein were Personae Non Grata until the second Ceasefire. Adams is not head of the Army council either, but thats neither here nor there. I believe it was Clinton who was the first to have Sinn Fein in the Whitehouse.

It's reasonable to assume that he has a position of some importance in the IRa, or, at the very least, has/had regular contact with people who are. Sinn Fein are widely recognised as being the political wing of the IRA.

Not exactly, and Armani is not cheap.

Not far off.

It's reasonable to assume that he has a position of some importance in the IRa, or, at the very least, has/had regular contact with people who are. Sinn Fein are widely recognised as being the political wing of the IRA.


They are the political wing of the IRA, but they are not the IRA. Its a fine distinction but a true one nevertheless.

It's reasonable to assume that he has a position of some importance in the IRa, or, at the very least, has/had regular contact with people who are. Sinn Fein are widely recognised as being the political wing of the IRA.
Nodinia's right, actually: I think last year was the first Saint Patrick's day this millenium that Adams didn't spend at the White House.

Meh. Stuff gets stolen in Venezuela all the time, especially discarded material from oil fields. This time the thiefs simply stumbled into something a bit too hot. If the government was involved, why announce that radioactive material had been stolen? It is worrysome that this kind of thing happens, and it happens all over LatinAmerica, people steal stuff from hospitals or industrial fields, or it just goes to the dump, much cheaper than disposing of it safely, but not because the US might conceivably possibly in some kind of twisted plot be the target of a dirty bomb, but the real danger to the general population in those countries.

Meh. Stuff gets stolen in Venezuela all the time, especially discarded material from oil fields. This time the thiefs simply stumbled into something a bit too hot. If the government was involved, why announce that radioactive material had been stolen? It is worrysome that this kind of thing happens, and it happens all over LatinAmerica, people steal stuff from hospitals or industrial fields, or it just goes to the dump, much cheaper than disposing of it safely, but not because the US might conceivably possibly in some kind of twisted plot be the target of a dirty bomb, but the real danger to the general population in those countries.
This has happened before... Goiania Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident)
This event has also been used as an 'accidental' dirty bomb, when people are theorising about the posssible effects. It suggests that there is an appreciable risk, but for this simulation to be accurate, people would have to remain in the area for some time.

http://tinypic.com/k4t5j4.jpgInteresting...
Deformed+Naked Bodies pictures are now allowed at the Forum?

Interesting...
Deformed+Naked Bodies pictures are now allowed at the Forum?
I'm more interested in the picture on the wall behind 'him'. Anyone know where it's of?

Interesting...
Deformed+Naked Bodies pictures are now allowed at the Forum?

please.... it's just a pic by/for one of those people who get turned on by four-legged humans. Cenataurians or whatever... there's lots of them in the Portal of Evil archives.. (www.portalofevil.com)

anyways.. no genetalia and it isn't deformed it's photoshopped... so meh, is this REALLY worth complaining about?

anyways.. no genetalia and it isn't deformed it's photoshopped... so meh, is this REALLY worth complaining about?
If it's the result of photoshop (or GIMP or whatever) rather than the result of surgery, it's never worth complaining about.

Yes, I'm sure that people like you would buy Bush saying that dirty bombs weren't a real problem.

I'm sure that the Democrats would trot out Jane Fonda and her old movie about the hazards of radiation and the evils of Republicans or trot out Meryl Streep and her movie about the hazards of radiation and the evils of Republicans and have a field day if Bush got up and said that dirty bombs weren't a real problem.

In fact, I'm sure that Nazz, Gymoor, and others here would have a field day with any attempt by the current administration to minimize the apparent risk of radiation exposure.

Au contraire! I've long been an opponent of the hype that surrounds the "danger" we Americans are in from terrorism. I think more people die from kinky sex acts each year in American than they do from terrorism.

I've also been aware of the overhyping of the dangers of nuclear power plants, especially new, less waste-producing ones, and of the danger of radiation in general.

Way to try to make your argument by basically making shit up.

Au contraire! I've long been an opponent of the hype that surrounds the "danger" we Americans are in from terrorism. I think more people die from kinky sex acts each year in American than they do from terrorism.

I've also been aware of the overhyping of the dangers of nuclear power plants, especially new, less waste-producing ones, and of the danger of radiation in general.

Way to try to make your argument by basically making shit up.
I actually studied nuclear power in my youth. Quite extensively.

In the U.S., the NRC(Nucler regulatory Commission) has matters quite in hand when it comes to the operation and safety of nuclear power plants. You could literally drown in the mountain of oversight these plants are subject to. Nuclea Power is as safe as it is possible to make it, and in my opinion, nothing less than the totally unforeseeable could cause an incident resulting in the release of lethal radiation.

On the other hand, nuclear waste disposal, and more alarmingly, nuclear waste transportation was(when I studied it) in need of some serious scrutiny! Some of the accidents and idiocies I've read about are absolutely appalling and unnecessary. If there's any threat of accidental radiaton releases into public, that's it.

In fact, there have been several carefully underreported events. The press has been stunningly obliging in not publishing these horror stories and I think it's a mistake because nothing gets Americans moving like media hype.

On a sillier subject, My version of a 'dirty bomb' would be a lot more entertaining. :)

On a sillier subject, My version of a 'dirty bomb' would be a lot more entertaining. :)
Girls mud wrestling?

crap thats just what we need now.
Well, if they send it up this way, they will have no problem
getting it past our open southern border. I suppose people
will still protest the Minuteman Project, for being racist,
instead of noticing that they are trying to shut down
illeagle immigration and people who would want to sneak
radioactive stuff into our land. What do you think?


hahahahahah.. open southern border.

Mexicans may be smuglers and gangers but they arn't stupid...
the US is authorized to follow people OVER the mexican border.. AND all of north america are working together on mutual border issues.

Al Qaeda .. Al Qaeda, it is almost as bad as hearing the words Iraq or terraism...

Who knows it could have been the CIA for all people know...

I'm sure there are tons of other chemicals that could be used as bombs much easier to construct like mustard gas or just mixing various household cleaners together.. it is the delivery method that matters..

making then transporting etc... is another matter.. but I think that any attacks in the US are extremely unlikely.

If it did I doubt it would be capable of doing anywhere near the level of damage of a 'real' nuclear attack.

Meaning it would probably be a disruption but probably not being larger then the WTC attack.. and that was relatively small except for the fact it was the WTC... with corporate headqaurter like things and such going on.. the US is much more paranoid these days with all kinds of programs... to stop stuff like this.

I would say it is a 1 in 5000 chance of this thing if organized well could actually do something.. and since most people are idiots 1 in a million.

All I know is that they better use it for something otherwise they may be in trouble... but for all we know it could be venzeula itself who took it for their own uses.. who knows...

unless you know it is pretty offhand to be throwing around names..

If it's the result of photoshop .I think I got it.
if it is naked.. and deformed by Photoshop.. It is OK

...Rite?

I think I got it.
if it is naked.. and deformed by Photoshop.. It is OK

...Rite?
Yep. So long as they're not hurting anybody, let them muck around with photoshop all they like. Possibly they might be more likely to hurt somebody if they couldn't muck around with photoshop, after all.

Girls mud wrestling?

Why just girls? There'll be room for everybody. :D

Why just girls? There'll be room for everybody. :D
Like Sloths?

Like Sloths?

You haven't lived until you wrestle a muddy sloth! Don't let their slow movements fool you. They're very strong. :p

You haven't lived until you wrestle a muddy sloth! Don't let their slow movements fool you. They're very strong. :p

Believe me, I know Sloths.

Very well...:)

Believe me, I know Sloths.

Very well...:)

I've known people who resemble sloths. :)

I've known people who resemble sloths. :)
I am a Sloth.

Really.

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/sloths.jpg

I am a Sloth.

Really.

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/sloths.jpg

I lern something new every day!

So... do you have internet access in your tree, or is there a sloth in a public library somewhere?

About Three Mile Island
Three Mile Island might not have caused such a great backlash against nuclear power were it not for what happened 12 days earlier...

The China Syndrome opened in theaters. The movie was about a nuclear accident that so paralleled what happened at Three Mile Island, you would have thought the producers were psychic. The biggest difference was that Three Mile Island was in Pennsylvania, while The China Syndrome was set in California.

Oh, and The China Syndrome never mentions Democrats or Republicans. Evil corporations, yes. Evil Republicans, no. Considering that the movie was set in California during the Carter era, it would be more likely for there to be evil Democrats.

Oh, and The China Syndrome never mentions Democrats or Republicans. Evil corporations, yes. Evil Republicans, no. Considering that the movie was set in California during the Carter era, it would be more likely for there to be evil Democrats.
Ah, but it had Jane Fonda in it, and she's part of the evil liberal hive mind, so the film must surely be dedicated to Republican bashing.

evil liberal hive mind,.

Thats a 10 pointer....

Thats a 10 pointer....
When certain right leaning elements of the board stop posting on the assumption that all liberals* are a homegenous group with identical beliefs, I'll stop taking the piss out out of them about this.

*(In some definitions, anybody who disagrees with Ann Coulter about anything.)

Interesting...
Deformed+Naked Bodies pictures are now allowed at the Forum?
There's no genetalia visible and I've never heard of any rule agains pictures of deformities, especially photoshopped ones.