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Please note that I am making a difference between a non-practicing paedophile (eg someone who is aroused by children but does not act upon it) and a practicing one, the same difference I would argue between someone who is attracted to someone they see, and a rapist.

I'd say that paedophiles have no more control over their sexual preferences than homosexual or heterosexual people do, and on that grouds I do pity them since it is illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires.

I'm not defending paedophiles who act on their desires, since I'd class them the same as rapists (eg no difference between defenceless man/woman and defenceless child).

But I do wonder if how many people if in that position would be able to restrain themselves for their entire lives, I suspect a lot less than those who would say they do.

From your point of view, yes.

From mine, no.

I'd restrain myself. Just as millions of lustful men manage not to rape women they find attractive.

Please note that I am making a difference between a non-practicing paedophile (eg someone who is aroused by children but does not act upon it) and a practicing one, the same difference I would argue between someone who is attracted to someone they see, and a rapist.

I'd say that paedophiles have no more control over their sexual preferences than homosexual or heterosexual people do, and on that grouds I do pity them since it is illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires.

I'm not defending paedophiles who act on their desires, since I'd class them the same as rapists (eg no difference between defenceless man/woman and defenceless child).

But I do wonder if how many people if in that position would be able to restrain themselves for their entire lives, I suspect a lot less than those who would say they do.

Religions asking gay folk to restrain themselves is generally laughed off, true enough...

I don't know. I can get that there's a _compulsion_ in the 'final product' paedophile, but... I have to say, I think it's a learned behaviour, not an innate one like homosexuality is.

Now, I don't say it's the paedophile's _fault_ they've 'learned' this abnormality, it seems to corrolate (only one-way) with a rotten childhood, for example. But ultimately, it is possible to have sympathy for a never-practised paedophile - but you'd have to be a better person than me to do it.

I can pity them until they rape a kid. Then I can live with them being incarcerated for life and perhaps killed by an angry cellmate.

If they act on it, never. They are terrible, selfish people who are abusing a child, and ruining their life, for their own gratification...that's the ultimate in greed and deserves no pity.

If they feel these desires but control them and/or try to address the causes of it if possible, I pity them. They are responsible and selfless enough to try and conquer what they know is wrong.

Please note that I am making a difference between a non-practicing paedophile (eg someone who is aroused by children but does not act upon it) and a practicing one, the same difference I would argue between someone who is attracted to someone they see, and a rapist.

Pedophiles are nasty dirty people who hurt children. They don't care that their actions will damage the child pscyhe for the rest of that's child's life.


I'd say that paedophiles have no more control over their sexual preferences than homosexual or heterosexual people do, and on that grouds I do pity them since it is illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires.


I don't pity them and I don't blieve they are the same as homosexuals and hetrosexuals. At least with Homosexuals/Hetrosexuals they have sex with consenting adults. Pedophiles use tricks (toys, candies) to get children to do the nasty stuff with them. These are children, not consenting adults. And it should be illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires. If I ever have a child, and a pedophile hurt them, I would be going to jail for murder.


I'm not defending paedophiles who act on their desires, since I'd class them the same as rapists (eg no difference between defenceless man/woman and defenceless child).[/quoute]

But I do wonder if how many people if in that position would be able to restrain themselves for their entire lives, I suspect a lot less than those who would say they do.

I'm 21 (hetrosexual) and I've been able to restrain myself so far. Pedos are just sick people who should probably be isolated from the rest of society.

I pity anyone with mental defect, until they hurt someone.

I've never heard of a pedophile who did not act upon it. My answer is not no, but hell no.

I've never heard of a pedophile who did not act upon it. My answer is not no, but hell no.

Thank you! Jeez, are we suspose to pity everyone nowanddays? I mean where do we draw the line?

Pedophiles are nasty dirty people who hurt children. They don't care that their actions will damage the child pscyhe for the rest of that's child's life.



Well, no, that's a lie. Pedophiles are sick people with an unhealthy sexual interest in children. If they never act on their sad, sick desires, they remain to be pitied. You're talking about pedophiles who act on their impulses.

And it should be illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires.
Well, no shit, sherlock! _No one_ in their right mind'd disagree that an adult forcing themself on a child should be illegal!

Elgesh']Well, no, that's a lie. Pedophiles are sick people with an unhealthy sexual interest in children. If they never act on their sad, sick desires, they remain to be pitied. You're talking about pedophiles who act on their impulses.

Nope, I don't pity them at all, because even if they don't act on it, they still have that intentions to, and they still secretly want to. I mean would you pity a guy who fit the mold of a serial killer? Hell no! These people are sick, and until there is undeniable proof, I refuse to believe it's due to their minds being messed up.


Well, no shit, sherlock! _No one_ in their right mind'd disagree that an adult forcing themself on a child should be illegal!

Glad we can at least agree on that.

Lets put it like this: say you have 2 children, one is 5 and one is 9. Now some man/woman wants to have sex with your sweet innocent children. He has child porn on his computer and masterbates to it regularly...BUT he doesnt go out and grab children. Not yet. Would you pity this person or would you be afraid for them to be alone with your children? Its easy for some to say they would pity them until they think about it possibly being their children/brothers/sisters/neices/nephews who's pics are being jerked off to.

Nope, I don't pity them at all, because even if they don't act on it, they still have that intentions to, and they still secretly want to. I mean would you pity a guy who fit the mold of a serial killer? Hell no! These people are sick, and until there is undeniable proof, I refuse to believe it's due to their minds being messed up.


Of course they _want_ to - what sort of pedophile _doesn't_ want to have sex with children?! - but if they force themselves not to act _despite_ their desires, because they know the harm giving in to their desires would do, then, I'm sorry to say, they _are_ doing the best they can.

I think it's possible to pity someone who's so fucked over, innately (doubtful) or through the way they've been brought up (far more likely), they can only relate sexually to children IF they never act on these impulses at all. If they do, they are just as you say.

Having said that, the person who 'becomes' a pedophile - who had a fine, normal childhood and adolescence, who only turned to pedophilia in their adult years... even if they never do anything, I don't think they can be pitied at all.

Lets put it like this: say you have 2 children, one is 5 and one is 9. Now some man/woman wants to have sex with your sweet innocent children. He has child porn on his computer and masterbates to it regularly...BUT he doesnt go out and grab children. Not yet. Would you pity this person or would you be afraid for them to be alone with your children? Its easy for some to say they would pity them until they think about it possibly being their children/brothers/sisters/neices/nephews who's pics are being jerked off to.

Hell I would tell him to stay away from my children, and if he ever hurt them he'll be looking down the barrel of my .22 semi-automatic rifle.

"Paedophiles-possible to pity them?"

Of course! I pity them if I get ahold of them! Mwahahaha! :D

Lets put it like this: say you have 2 children, one is 5 and one is 9. Now some man/woman wants to have sex with your sweet innocent children. He has child porn on his computer and masterbates to it regularly...BUT he doesnt go out and grab children. Not yet. Would you pity this person or would you be afraid for them to be alone with your children? Its easy for some to say they would pity them until they think about it possibly being their children/brothers/sisters/neices/nephews who's pics are being jerked off to.

But... he's already acting on his pedophilia (by tracking down child porn on his pc), isn't he? So no, no pity there, don't be ridiculous! :p

Elgesh']Of course they _want_ to - what sort of pedophile _doesn't_ want to have sex with children?! - but if they force themselves not to _despite_ their desires, because they know the harm giving in to their desires would do, then, I'm sorry to say, they _are_ doing the best they can.

Just because they don't touch the children doesn't mean they don't download child porn and masterbate to it. My mom always told me that if you think about something long enough you're bound to do it. If these pedos think about having sex with a child long enough, they'll eventually do it.


I think it's possible to pity someone who's so fucked over, innately (doubtful) or through the way they've been brought up (far more likely), they can only relate sexually to children IF they never act on these impulses at all. If they do, they are just as you say.


Just because they don't act on it now, doesn't mean they won't act on it later. You do realize that most pedos kidnap childrens or do these things when they are alone with children. Would you leave your child alone with a pedo?


Having said that, the person who 'becomes' a pedophile - who had a fine, normal childhood and adolescence, who only turned to pedophilia in their adult years... even if they never do anything, I don't think they can be pitied at all.

I agree.

Until the time comes when we go back to a Hedonistic Greeco-Roman way of life i shall wish utter doom upon their souls.

"Paedophiles-possible to pity them?"

Of course! I pity them if I get ahold of them! Mwahahaha! :D

LOL! I like you man.

LOL! I like you man.
Thanks. You're obviously one of the few on here who do! :D

Thanks. You're obviously one of the few on here who do! :D

Eh what can I say, I'm a conservative Libertarian. I'm not one of these bleeding heart liberals.

I'd say that paedophiles have no more control over their sexual preferences than homosexual or heterosexual people do, and on that grouds I do pity them since it is illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires.


Sorry that analogy does not fly. In the case of the hetro and homo, it involves two ADULTS! Children do not have the capacity to make an informed decision on matters of sexuality.

They are preditors and there should be no pity for them.


I'm not defending paedophiles who act on their desires, since I'd class them the same as rapists (eg no difference between defenceless man/woman and defenceless child).


Sorry in the matters of rape, there is a chance an ADULT can defend themselves. A child can not.


But I do wonder if how many people if in that position would be able to restrain themselves for their entire lives, I suspect a lot less than those who would say they do.

Doubtful, look how many made it into the Priesthood and became Revs.....

My mom always told me that if you think about something long enough you're bound to do it.
I'd say thats true but my propensity to procrastinate tells me otherwise.

Just because they don't touch the children doesn't mean they don't download child porn and masterbate to it. My mom always told me that if you think about something long enough you're bound to do it. If these pedos think about having sex with a child long enough, they'll eventually do it.

Okayyy... I think I've already addressed the computer porn thing (I guess you didn't see it before you posted this, though :)), but just to reiterate, tracking down and downloading child porn counts as a pedophilic action; pity spring just dried up!

Secondly... I'm sure your mother is a fine woman and an excellent person, but I think I have to respectfully disagree with her opinion. I think about sex with Louise (girl at uni - unfortunately, attached!) every day of my life for the past 2 or 3 years, but as I know it's not on the cards, I'll never act on it! :D More analogous to pedophilia, I've committed murder in my mind dozens - hundreds - of times but I'll never act on it. You can't be convicted for thoughtcrimes, thank goodness.


Just because they don't act on it now, doesn't mean they won't act on it later. You do realize that most pedos kidnap childrens or do these things when they are alone with children. Would you leave your child alone with a pedo?

I do realise most pedophiles _don't_ kidnap children, and never actually touch an actual child at all; they do it vicariously, through the internet, that's the biggest group of arrested pedophiles for any police force in the western world. Child abduction among pedophiles is thankfully rare, but for obvious reasons evoke the loudest headlines and live longest in the memory; and molesting an actual child seems to be much rarer than looking at images/film of molestation and abuse.

(edit: it's a hunch (psychology student, can't help myself :)), but I'd go on to guess that there are a lot of people with pedophilic fantasies that never act on it at all, including downloading child porn. It would fit the general pattern of how deviancy works)

Obviously I'd never leave my children with a pedophile, don't ask such ridiculous questions. Even knowing how rare it is, you think anyone'd take the risk?

Eh what can I say, I'm a conservative Libertarian. I'm not one of these bleeding heart liberals.
Heh! Let's not go there. ;)

Eh what can I say, I'm a conservative Libertarian. I'm not one of these bleeding heart liberals.

:rolleyes:

Oh yea those dirty commie liberals are ok with pedophiles attacking children.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Oh yea those dirty commie liberals are ok with pedophiles attacking children.

:rolleyes:
Oh for crying out loud! Those posts were totally off-topic. Get a frakkin' grip! :headbang:

Too many gray areas. Are we taking about someone who finds themselves attracted to children (and define children please), but does not actively do anything about it? I.e. Sees a child in a swimsuit and has a momentary feeling of sexual attraction, but does nothing at all to further it up, neither looking, touching, or going home and finding other things related to that.

Or are we talking about someone who sees that same child, and while does NOT go home and wank off to child porn *shudders*, but does invent and run through a full sexual fantasy, even if it invloves a generic child stand in, in his mind?

The first I feel pitty for, and I think if much closer to you analogy of normal men seeing a woman they are sexually attracted to, but does absolutly nothing.

The other one is starting on a dark path that he should hope never crosses any lines.

Or a number of people's own paths, including mine.

We're talking about one that does not act: and therefore I don't see the difference between a pedophile and a heterosexual. No, don't tell me that "I'm an angel and have never thought about any guy/girl"

We're talking about one that does not act: and therefore I don't see the difference between a pedophile and a heterosexual. No, don't tell me that "I'm an angel and have never thought about any guy/girl"


Ahhh what?

And no I have never thought about a child in that fashion.....

We're talking about one that does not act: and therefore I don't see the difference between a pedophile and a heterosexual. No, don't tell me that "I'm an angel and have never thought about any guy/girl"


the difference? its not illegal to have sex with those adult guys/girls heteros think about.

it is illegal to have sex with a child. big difference.

Ahhh what?

And no I have never thought about a child in that fashion.....

I meant an adult guy/girl

the difference? its not illegal to have sex with those adult guys/girls heteros think about.

it is illegal to have sex with a child. big difference.

1) If you're a guy, and you do it with consent, but the girl is under age, that's called circumstantial rape and you can go to jail. So it isn't always legal.

2) Are you saying that your sense of pity is based on the law and not on logic/feelings

We're talking about one that does not act: and therefore I don't see the difference between a pedophile and a heterosexual. No, don't tell me that "I'm an angel and have never thought about any guy/girl"

No, I never thought about a child in that way, that's just sick man.

I meant an adult guy/girl



1) If you're a guy, and you do it with consent, but the girl is under age, that's called circumstantial rape and you can go to jail. So it isn't always legal.

i said ADULT.

2) Are you saying that your sense of pity is based on the law and not on logic/feelings


read my previous posts....it has nothing to do with the law. I was responding to your comment on whats the difference between a heterosexual and a pedophile...which should be quite obvious.

i have no pity for a pedophile, no matter if he's in the closet or not.

No, I never thought about a child in that way, that's just sick man.

I agree with you there.

But I think "Statuatory Rape", on the other hand, is bullshit. I believe that if someone is old enough to know what sex is, they are old enough to decide who they want to have it with. This crap about 20 year olds going to jail for scoring with their 16 year old girlfriends is stupid. In certain countries, such as Japan and Brazil, a person as young as 13 is considered old enough to consent.

I'm a strong believer in "Hate the sin, not the sinner". Paedophelia is disgusting and repulsive but I pity a person who carries the title regardless of whether they have carried out the act or not. This is not to say that I pity them more than the child (that would be far from the truth) but I do find it sad to think of someone who has these urges just the same as I feel sad to think of someone wanting to kill someone.

No, I never thought about a child in that way, that's just sick man.

I am STILL talking about adult heterosexuality...

And I wasn't taking a stance on consent--I was merely askig why 1 guy who has desires but controls himself is looked down upon, but another guy who has desires is "normal."

I agree with you there.

But I think "Statuatory Rape", on the other hand, is bullshit. I believe that if someone is old enough to know what sex is, they are old enough to decide who they want to have it with. This crap about 20 year olds going to jail for scoring with their 16 year old girlfriends is stupid. In certain countries, such as Japan and Brazil, a person as young as 13 is considered old enough to consent.

Ehh that's a bit of a gray area. It's mostly to protect the girl because while she may know what sex is, she may not know how to have responsible sex.

I am STILL talking about adult heterosexuality...

And I wasn't taking a stance on consent--I was merely askig why 1 guy who has desires but controls himself is looked down upon, but another guy who has desires is "normal."

Because society has deemed the peodphile desire to be sick and wrong while desires for another adult female is normal.

Because society has deemed the peodphile desire to be sick and wrong while desires for another adult female is normal.

So in essence this would be an example of "Labeling Theory" when we look at deviant behavior. This thread makes me wish I had my notebook home with me now instead of it still being at school.

@Stone Bridges: How the hell can one be a conservative libertarian? That phrase is contradictory in itself! Gee..

Everyone loves a little misunderstanding in this thread. I don't find pedophiles pitiable, but that's because I'm biased. See? I admitted to pasting a subjective point of view! In general, pedophiles are probably to be pitied, but I just personally find the thought of an adult having sex with a child totally disgusting. Even so, it's all just attraction. I could be crazily attracted to a guy and never act upon it because I know he doesn't fancy me. I know the same goes for my friends (male and female, gay, bi and straights). So why not a pedophile? I mean, if you woke up one day and found yourself totally attracted to an 8-year-old, it still wouldn't matter if you were horrified or anything, you'd still be a pedophile. Though as a human being you have the intelligence and choice not to act on it.


By the way, it's bullshit that you do everything you've been thinking about for a long time. If that were true I'd already have prostituted myself, saved up some money and gone to Japan. And kissed my best friend. And had sex with another of my best friends. And killed at least three people.
Honestly. *snorts*

Because society has deemed the peodphile desire to be sick and wrong while desires for another adult female is normal.

Exactly my point.

So in essence this would be an example of "Labeling Theory" when we look at deviant behavior. This thread makes me wish I had my notebook home with me now instead of it still being at school.

Either that or society is just trying to protect it's young.

So basically this thread is split. ...


We have those who are defending adults who fantasize about having sex with 5 year olds.

Then we have those who arent.

not much of an argument if you ask me.....its wrong....period.

So basically his thread is split.
We have those who are defending adults who fantasize about having sex with 5 year olds.

Then we have those who arent.

not much of an argument if you ask me.....its wrong....period.
Thinking in a certain manner is wrong?
How so?

Either that or society is just trying to protect it's young.

Well when you look at deviant behavior many people take the stance that the behavior itself is not "deviant" rather its societies interaction and reaction to the people who do said acts and the norms that the people in control place that cause said behavior to be "deviant". Now I'm not disputing the reasons why said behavior is looked at as deviant rather I'm looking at it from a theory point of view now(what do you know a college class is paying off).

Peechland:answer me this--what is the difference between fantasizing about an adult, or a kid. Note that neither is your choice, and you aren't acting on it.

Thinking in a certain manner is wrong?
How so?


yes, a 30 year old man who thinks about sticking his penis into a small child is wrong. dead wrong.

@Stone Bridges: How the hell can one be a conservative libertarian? That phrase is contradictory in itself! Gee..

Eh simple, I believe in smaller government, lower taxes, and more freedom than our current system allows.


Everyone loves a little misunderstanding in this thread. I don't find pedophiles pitiable, but that's because I'm biased. See? I admitted to pasting a subjective point of view!


I never tried to pass myself off as un-biased.


In general, pedophiles are probably to be pitied, but I just personally find the thought of an adult having sex with a child totally disgusting. Even so, it's all just attraction. I could be crazily attracted to a guy and never act upon it because I know he doesn't fancy me. I know the same goes for my friends (male and female, gay, bi and straights). So why not a pedophile?


Because it's not "normal" attraction. Hetrosexual/Homosexual attraction to an consenting adult is normal. But how the hell is a child suspose to be consenting? The child doesn't even understand sex! Comparing Hetro./Homo. attraction to pedophile attraction is comparing apples to oranges. I used to do an internship at my local police station. One day they brought in two pedos during a child porn raid. Not only did they have boxes of this sick stuff, but they actually had a list of children that they wanted to molest and take pictures of. I personally think all pedos are a ticking time bomb. Because in my area, pedos are usually arrested at parks, playgrounds or around schools.

These people are surrounded by children in their everyday life. I mean just try picturing yourself being surrounded by beautiful women/men all day long. How long would you be able to control yourself?


I mean, if you woke up one day and found yourself totally attracted to an 8-year-old, it still wouldn't matter if you were horrified or anything, you'd still be a pedophile. Though as a human being you have the intelligence and choice not to act on it.


Thank God that'll never happen.


By the way, it's bullshit that you do everything you've been thinking about for a long time. If that were true I'd already have prostituted myself, saved up some money and gone to Japan. And kissed my best friend. And had sex with another of my best friends. And killed at least three people.
Honestly. *snorts*

There's still time.

Peechland:answer me this--what is the difference between fantasizing about an adult, or a kid. Note that neither is your choice, and you aren't acting on it.


if i fantasize about heath ledger.....big deal, hes 30 something and im 30 something and it would be legal if i slept with him.

if i fantasized about the little boy who played in Jerry McgGuire, then it would be wrong, I would be wrong.

yes, a 30 year old man who thinks about sticking his penis into a small child is wrong. dead wrong.

So is thinking democracy is wrong. Or liking Hitler. Or fantasizing about cutting people's limbs off... don't be so narrow-minded. Our society doesnt tolerate pedophilic behaviour, but there's no law against thinking stuff. Mind ghosts, you know.

once again: why?

It's wrong because A. Children do not know what sex is. B. Because children do not fully understand sex, they can't give consent. C. they're not adults.

yes, a 30 year old man who thinks about sticking his penis into a small child is wrong. dead wrong.

Thats not answering the question that was asked. The question was is thinking in a certain matter wrong not is a thirty year old fantasizing about screwing a little kid wrong. Please answer the original one.

So is thinking democracy is wrong. Or liking Hitler. Or fantasizing about cutting people's limbs off... don't be so narrow-minded. Our society doesnt tolerate pedophilic behaviour, but there's no law against thinking stuff. Mind ghosts, you know.

got it out before I could.

yes, a 30 year old man who thinks about sticking his penis into a small child is wrong. dead wrong.
You didn't answer my question, namely, why is it wrong to think about it? Surely it's disgusting. But can you truly punish someone just for having that thought?
I think this is part of why there 'isn't much of an argument'- You haven't offered an argument, and yet you already claimed victory.

For those of you who are defending the Pedos let me ask you this.

Lets say you have a little daughter, 5 years old. Would you want a pedo thinking about her in that way?

So is thinking democracy is wrong. Or liking Hitler. Or fantasizing about cutting people's limbs off... don't be so narrow-minded. Our society doesnt tolerate pedophilic behaviour, but there's no law against thinking stuff. Mind ghosts, you know.


would you have pity for someone wanted to have sex with your child?

let's say you have a daughter who is 20 years old. Do you want people thinking about her...are they doing something wrong, though? Nope.

would you have pity for someone wanted to have sex with your child?

Hell No.

Thats not answering the question that was asked. The question was is thinking in a certain matter wrong not is a thirty year old fantasizing about screwing a little kid wrong. Please answer the original one.

its a bullshit question. its comparing apples and oranges.

is it right to think about having sex with children? no for the 53rd time. you cant say that its either ok or not ok to "think" about whatever,....sure people are going to think about whatever it is they want. does it make it right? of course not.

For those of you who are defending the Pedos let me ask you this.

Lets say you have a little daughter, 5 years old. Would you want a pedo thinking about her in that way?

Well first of all I don't think anyone here is saying pedofilia is right. Secondly let me answer your question with a question of my own. Is it right to tell people what they can and can't believe or think about?

For those of you who are defending the Pedos let me ask you this.

Lets say you have a little daughter, 5 years old. Would you want a pedo thinking about her in that way?
Who am I to dictate what others think? If they tried to take any action regarding my hypothetical daughter, I'd feel quite justified in getting rid of them. But until that point, it seems like it'd just be killing them out of disgust. Not that I wouldn't feel justified at the time if I did so, but it doesn't seem quite rational to punish someone for an action they haven't committed.

let's say you have a daughter who is 20 years old. Do you want people thinking about her...are they doing something wrong, though? Nope.


theres a big difference between a 20 year old woman and a 5 year old girl.....

let's say you have a daughter who is 20 years old. Do you want people thinking about her...are they doing something wrong, though? Nope.

Hell at that age my daughter is old enough and mature enough to make her own decision. At that point she is well on her own and any miskate she makes is out of my hand. I raised her the best I could and eh.

to you and me, yes. To a pedophile, no.

its a bullshit question. its comparing apples and
oranges.
How is it comparing apples to oranges? Your saying that fantasizing about having sex with little kids is wrong. So when someone asks you if thinking in a certian way can be considered wrong. Now obviously they are related due to the fact that both questions are dealing with wheter or not thoughts can be wrong. Now its really a simple question and no one is trying to trick you or going to jump down your throat for your answer(at least I won't).

is it right to think about having sex with children? no for the 53rd time. you cant say that its either ok or not ok to "think" about whatever,....sure people are going to think about whatever it is they want. does it make it right? of course not.
Well how can a thought be wrong? Am I wrong to fantasize about fighting battles in imaginary wars or placing myself in the role of a wrestler and beating the hell out of someone with a chair? Is it the action which makes all the difference or can thoughts be constrewed as bad things?

Well first of all I don't think anyone here is saying pedofilia is right. Secondly let me answer your question with a question of my own. Is it right to tell people what they can and can't believe or think about?


you keep harping on this same question when the thread asked if we pity these people or not. Stone Bridges and I have made our point that no we do not pity these people.

Eh simple, I believe in smaller government, lower taxes, and more freedom than our current system allows.

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These people are surrounded by children in their everyday life. I mean just try picturing yourself being surrounded by beautiful women/men all day long. How long would you be able to control yourself?


Oh, alright then, right-wing libertarianism. Conservative is just a word that rings of a warning bell in my head. We're pretty similarly aligned, policy-wise.

Well, I'd probably be able to control myself which is what I do everyday. ^^ Nah, no joking. Sure, you're probably right about pedophilia being a ticking bomb. And I sure as hell don't like them.


It'd be a very weird situation for me to have a 5-year-old daughter, but I'd probably keep her as far away from pedophiles as possible. As mentioned above, I sure as hell don't like them--pedophiles. But then again, how many pedophiles do I know who are 'in the closet', so to speak? We don't know cause they never do anything. There could be millions of people. And I'm not saying 'shoot them' just because they're thinking something, because that's what's just plain wrong.

How is it comparing apples to oranges? Your saying that fantasizing about having sex with little kids is wrong. So when someone asks you if thinking in a certian way can be considered wrong. Now obviously they are related due to the fact that both questions are dealing with wheter or not thoughts can be wrong. Now its really a simple question and no one is trying to trick you or going to jump down your throat for your answer(at least I won't).


Well how can a thought be wrong? Am I wrong to fantasize about fighting battles in imaginary wars or placing myself in the role of a wrestler and beating the hell out of someone with a chair? Is it the action which makes all the difference or can thoughts be constrewed as bad things?

your questions are of an entirely different nature and i suggest that if you want to know if people think its wrong to think about this or that, that you make a new thread about it. You are simply spliting hairs now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stm

apparently these people "thought" about raping an innocent baby. turns out they did. had they not carried it out but "thought" about raping a baby.....then they are still sick bastards and deserve no pity.

Oh, alright then, right-wing libertarianism. Conservative is just a word that rings of a warning bell in my head. We're pretty similarly aligned, policy-wise.

Well, I'd probably be able to control myself which is what I do everyday. ^^ Nah, no joking. Sure, you're probably right about pedophilia being a ticking bomb. And I sure as hell don't like them.


It'd be a very weird situation for me to have a 5-year-old daughter, but I'd probably keep her as far away from pedophiles as possible. As mentioned above, I sure as hell don't like them--pedophiles. But then again, how many pedophiles do I know who are 'in the closet', so to speak? We don't know cause they never do anything. There could be millions of people. And I'm not saying 'shoot them' just because they're thinking something, because that's what's just plain wrong.

While I agree it's wrong to shoot someone just because of a thought, but I do believe that pedos are ticking time bombs, sooner or later they're going to crack, and if they hurt my daughter, well, will yall come visit me in jail?

your questions are of an entirely different nature and i suggest that if you want to know if people think its wrong to think about this or that, that you make a new thread about it. You are simply spliting hairs now.


Yes, you obviously made your point well heard. Isn't it good that there's a debate though? There are other opinions too, whether you like it or not.

Yes. It is possible to pity them. Even when they do act on their desires.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4599524.stm

apparently these people "thought" about raping an innocent baby. turns out they did. had they not carried it out but "thought" about raping a baby.....then they are still sick bastards and deserve no pity.

Thank you for pointing that out. See, this is what thought lead to sometimes.

your questions are of an entirely different nature and i suggest that if you want to know if people think its wrong to think about this or that, that you make a new thread about it. You are simply spliting hairs now.

well the overall thread topic is if you feel pity for paedophiles so to go into the actual moral implications of said paedophilia would not be off topic. That would logically branch and it has branched into the discussion of wheter or not thinking about having sex with children is wrong and logically leads to the question can thoughts be wrong. You've stated that its wrong to fantasize about little kids. The most logical objection to that is questioning the moral implications of "thoughts". Can thoughts be wrong, can they be okay if there is no action and the like. I find it a reasonable question to ask with the way the thread has been going. And I was not the one to ask the original question. Rather I didn't like the way to set up a strawman and attempted to pass it as the answer to the original question.

Yes. It is possible to pity them. Even when they do act on their desires.

HOW in the WORLD is it possible to pity them even after they act on their desires?

Yes, you obviously made your point well heard. Isn't it good that there's a debate though? There are other opinions too, whether you like it or not.

absolutely! bring on the debate.....but i am refering to the same question about "are thoughts right or wrong?" which was not even on topic and from the same poster.thats all...

While I agree it's wrong to shoot someone just because of a thought, but I do believe that pedos are ticking time bombs, sooner or later they're going to crack, and if they hurt my daughter, well, will yall come visit me in jail?

Haha, yeah. You probably have a point there, the problem is premeditated punishment or whatever it's called in English. Punishing before the crime is committed. Any decent democratic land/court would just scream NO-- and I agree.

Thank you for pointing that out. See, this is what thought lead to sometimes.
Keyword being sometimes.
you keep harping on this same question when the thread asked if we pity these people or not. Stone Bridges and I have made our point that no we do not pity these people.
You set up a strawman to answer a posters question and I just don't like it when people pull that shit.
absolutely! bring on the debate.....but i am refering to the same question about "are thoughts right or wrong?" which was not even on topic and from the same poster.thats all...
Well you said its wrong to fantasize about having relations with young kids. This logically brings up the objection well can thoughts be wrong? So people will argue against your point using the position that without action thoughts themselves are not things with moral implications. Its an important issue to discuss in a topic such as this.

While I agree it's wrong to shoot someone just because of a thought, but I do believe that pedos are ticking time bombs, sooner or later they're going to crack, and if they hurt my daughter, well, will yall come visit me in jail?
Maybe we can throww the pedophile into jail for thinking about raping kids, and we can throw you into jail for thking about killing him, even though neither of you have acted on your plans! That would make a good movie.

Keyword being sometimes.

You set up a strawman to answer a posters question and I just don't like it when people pull that shit. I didnt set anyone up for anything...this isnt my thread

Well you said its wrong to fantasize about having relations with young kids. This logically brings up the objection well can thoughts be wrong? So people will argue against your point using the position that without action thoughts themselves are not things with moral implications. Its an important issue to discuss in a topic such as this.

you didnt ask "can thoughts be wrong".....you asked specific questions about can this be wrong or that be wrong. And it was stuf that wouldnt necessarily be viewed as "Wrong" to think . so yes ..some thoughts can be wrong, just like some actions can be wrong.

I'm not going to keep batting this back and forth. I think that people who think about having sex with children are wrong. And to answer the thread originator....no I do not have pity on them.

Maybe we can throww the pedophile into jail for thinking about raping kids, and we can throw you into jail for thking about killing him, even though neither of you have acted on your plans! That would make a good movie.

The Sex Offender list comes to mind, hmmm, do police have a pedophile list nowanddays, or are pedos included in the Sex Offfender list?

These people are sick, and until there is undeniable proof, I refuse to believe it's due to their minds being messed up.Way to contradict yourself in one sentence.

Pedophilia may not be an 'organic' mental illness (like schizophrenia), but there is most definitely a psychological dysfunction component to it.

You seem to be willing to condemn someone for their thoughts. Are you willing to live in a world that does so? Pity may not be appropriate, but intelligent compassion* in the absence of crime is.

*Allowing a situation to exist which provides such a person with opportunity to act on their compulsion is far from intelligent--you don't hire an alcoholic to work in a liquor store and you don't appoint someone with pedophilic compulsions to be your church's youth minister.

you didnt ask "can thoughts be wrong".....you asked specific questions about can this be wrong or that be wrong. And it was stuf that wouldnt necessarily be viewed as "Wrong" to think . so yes ..some thoughts can be wrong, just like some actions can be wrong.

I'm not going to keep batting this back and forth. I think that people who think about having sex with children are wrong. And to answer the thread originator....no I do not have pity on them.

Who decides what's wrong then? What Economic Associates used was something called rhetorical trick. Which is to say, asking a general question but using specifics as an example.

And yes, to get back to the subject, I can honestly say I pity them and still resent them.

Way to contradict yourself in one sentence.

Pedophilia may not be an 'organic' mental illness (like schizophrenia), but there is most definitely a psychological dysfunction component to it.

You seem to be willing to condemn someone for their thoughts. Are you willing to live in a world that does so? Pity may not be appropriate, but intelligent compassion* in the absence of crime is.

*Allowing a situation to exist which provides such a person with opportunity to act on their compulsion is far from intelligent--you don't hire an alcoholic to work in a liquor store and you don't appoint someone with pedophilic compulsions to be your church's youth minister.


i think its obvious he meant sick as in "digusting" in his post.not mentally ill.

i think its obvious he meant sick as in "digusting" in his post.not mentally ill.It wasn't obvious at all. Words mean something. And the rest of his argument was missing a good deal of rationality as well.

you didnt ask "can thoughts be wrong".....you asked specific questions about can this be wrong or that be wrong. And it was stuf that wouldnt necessarily be viewed as "Wrong" to think . so yes ..some thoughts can be wrong, just like some actions can be wrong.

Thinking in a certain manner is wrong?
How so?
yes, a 30 year old man who thinks about sticking his penis into a small child is wrong. dead wrong.

Thats not answering the question that was asked. The question was is thinking in a certain matter wrong not is a thirty year old fantasizing about screwing a little kid wrong. Please answer the original one.

Those were the original questions. You set up a strawman answer to Swallow your Poison's question and I asked the same thing over again. And it wasn't a specific question it was a general one. And I disagree that thinking something is wrong. How can a thought something that doesn't involve an action, that doesn't harm another person, and doesn't involve other people except for the person thinking it be wrong?

i think its obvious he meant sick as in "digusting" in his post.not mentally ill.

Well, why do _you_ think pedophiles have their perverted desires if they're _not_ suffering from a mental disturbance of some sort? What's your explanation?

The Sex Offender list comes to mind, hmmm, do police have a pedophile list nowanddays, or are pedos included in the Sex Offfender list?Convicted pedophiles are included on sex offender registration lists. Just thought about it and haven't committed a crime? Not on the list... as it should be.

[QUOTE=Peechland]you didnt ask "can thoughts be wrong".....you asked specific questions about can this be wrong or that be wrong. And it was stuf that wouldnt necessarily be viewed as "Wrong" to think . so yes ..some thoughts can be wrong, just like some actions can be wrong.



Those were the original questions. You set up a strawman answer to Swallow your Poison's question and I asked the same thing over again. And it wasn't a specific question it was a general one. And I disagree that thinking something is wrong. How can a thought something that doesn't involve an action, that doesn't harm another person, and doesn't involve other people except for the person thinking it be wrong?

I dont know 'how" it can be wrong, but in my opinion....thinking about such things is wrong. If this is my opinion, and not fact...then I cannot prove its in fact wrong, hence I must be unable to give you the answer you are seeking. Sorry. I just think pedophiles are scum and I think thinking about, even if not acted on, is not right.

And heres another question...if the question is "should pedophiles be pitied-even if they havent acted upon it?" then why are we calling them pedophiles in the first place?

OT: Nice debate, you people. Time for bed, school in 4 hours. See you around.

And heres another question...if the question is "should pedophiles be pitied-even if they havent acted upon it?" then why are we calling them pedophiles in the first place?

I mentioned this in an earlier post :) A pedophile is one who is sexually attracted to children, regardless of whether or not they've ever acted on their desires in any way.

I dont know 'how" it can be wrong, but in my opinion....thinking about such things is wrong. If this is my opinion, and not fact...then I cannot prove its in fact wrong, hence I must be unable to give you the answer you are seeking. Sorry. I just think pedophiles are scum and I think thinking about, even if not acted on, is not right.
So you don't know how it could be wrong, you can't prove that it would be wrong, and yet you still hold the opinion that thinking certain things can be wrong? I'm sorry I don't follow this type of reasoning.

And heres another question...if the question is "should pedophiles be pitied-even if they havent acted upon it?" then why are we calling them pedophiles in the first place?
I have no clue, you'd have to ask the person who brought up that train of thought.

Elgesh']I mentioned this in an earlier post :) A pedophile is one who is sexually attracted to children, regardless of whether or not they've ever acted on their desires in any way.


Ohh....sorry.

Thinking about, talking about it,doing it, thinking about doing it....its all wrong in my opinion. Children should be loved and nurtured and protected. Not looked upon with sexual desires.

let's say you have a daughter who is 20 years old. Do you want people thinking about her...are they doing something wrong, though? Nope.

Thinking of a child is a preditory. Why? Because they are easy. They don't know anything. They can't defend themselves.

People have likened this to thinking of killing somebody. However, this is different. In anger you may think "I just want to kill him" but that is the in the moment. If you think about killing somebody all the time, then there is a problem. How long before you act?

So you don't know how it could be wrong, you can't prove that it would be wrong, and yet you still hold the opinion that thinking certain things can be wrong? I'm sorry I don't follow this type of reasoning.


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Its quite simple...because its my opinion. Opinions cannot be proved, facts can. I feel its wrong to think about having sex with children. Is it actually wrong? I guess thats up to each individual. I can say with an exact certainty that having sex with children is wrong. That is a fact. Not an opinion.

Its quite simple...because its my opinion. Opinions cannot be proved, facts can. I feel its wrong to think about having sex with children. Is it actually wrong? I guess thats up to each individual. I can say with an exact certainty that having sex with children is wrong. That is a fact. Not an opinion.
Ok thats fine I was expecting more of a moral justification or something about thoughts being as wrong as actions(Ala the Catholic church) but thats perfectly reasonable. Though one generally forms an opinion from facts so thats the part that throws me for a loop.

On the second point it could be argued depending on the age of the child and what not that its not wrong. Some people would argue when can someone specifically consent(is it when they know what sex is about/etc) and believe that the age of consent is a dubious principle. Its still really an opinion of yours but this time you've got some facts to back it up. And for the record I'm playing devils advocate and I'm not advocating that paedophilia is a good thing)

Ohh....sorry.

Thinking about, talking about it,doing it, thinking about doing it....its all wrong in my opinion. Children should be loved and nurtured and protected. Not looked upon with sexual desires.

Hey, no worries! :)

(@underlined portion) Well, I can't imagine it being individually, morally 'right' to 'Think about it, talk about it' under anyone's system of thought. It's not healthy either. But it is legally neutral so long as you don't act on it, and long may it remain so. I don't want to be judged on my private thoughts, and nor does anyone else I'm sure! 'Normal' people can commit dozens of crimes in their heads in a normal week...!

(@Bold) obviously, yes; who do you think was gainsaying that? :p

Ok thats fine I was expecting more of a moral justification or something about thoughts being as wrong as actions(Ala the Catholic church) but thats perfectly reasonable. Though one generally forms an opinion from facts so thats the part that throws me for a loop.

On the second point it could be argued depending on the age of the child and what not that its not wrong. Some people would argue when can someone specifically consent(is it when they know what sex is about/etc) and believe that the age of consent is a dubious principle. Its still really an opinion of yours but this time you've got some facts to back it up. And for the record I'm playing devils advocate and I'm not advocating that paedophilia is a good thing)


I'm speaking of small innocent children. If an 18 year old has sex with a 15 year old, with consent of course, I dont think the 18 year old should go to jail. The 15 year old most likely knows what sex is and consented.

I'm sorry if I seemed rude, but sex crimes against children is a big thing to me. Ive seen victims (6 year old raped by a 40 year old for one) and it enrages me when I think about that. If I could gather up all the children who are in situations that could result in them being raped, I would. Id save them from such horror.

You too have some good points about the thoughts being wrong topic.

Elgesh']Hey, no worries! :)

(@underlined portion) Well, I can't imagine it being individually, morally 'right' to 'Think about it, talk about it' under anyone's system of thought. It's not healthy either. But it is legally neutral so long as you don't act on it, and long may it remain so. I don't want to be judged on my private thoughts, and nor does anyone else I'm sure! 'Normal' people can commit dozens of crimes in their heads in a normal week...!

(@Bold) obviously, yes; who do you think was gainsaying that? :p

Right...and I never said our thoughts should be policed and put on trial.;)

or else i might be in a cell.

Right...and I never said our thoughts should be policed and put on trial.;)

or else i might be in a cell.

Hah! No, true; well, I won't ask if you won't ask <looks about, shiftily>

I'm away to bed; good talking with you :)

Elgesh']Hah! No, true; well, I won't ask if you won't ask <looks about, shiftily>

I'm away to bed; good talking with you :)

goodnight!:)

HOW in the WORLD is it possible to pity them even after they act on their desires?

Simple answer: Because it is.

Extrapolated answer: A human being is capable of feeling a wide range of, albeit often conflicted, emotions. In a direct answer to the question, "Is it possible to pity a paedophile?", it is entirely possible even if it is not necessarily understandable.

Being the victim of a paedophile, I pity him.
I hate him.
I want to kill him.
I wish I had his balls in jar.
I sometimes hurt because of him even years after the fact.
I wonder what prompted him to touch little girls in the first place.
I fear him (nightmares of being chased by him really suck).
I wish there were help for peolpe like him that could actually make them stop.
I am tired of him (he is always there in the background somewhere).
I have felt a variety of emotions about him over a long period of time and one of them has been pity.

So yes, it is possible.

Maybe we can throww the pedophile into jail for thinking about raping kids, and we can throw you into jail for thking about killing him, even though neither of you have acted on your plans! That would make a good movie.

As long as this one doesn't have Tom Cruise in it!

I've never heard of a pedophile who did not act upon it. My answer is not no, but hell no.
You dont hear about it because no one is willing to admit to it untill they are caught

They are out there


But no I do not pitty them ... they are human but they should be responsible if they realize they have these tendancies and seek treatment

I can certainly pity someone in that situation.

I know someone in that situation. A dear dear friend of mine from college is/was in exactly that position.

However -- I'm not sure I would call him a pedophile - he has *never* acted on his desires, has been working with psychiatrists continually since his late teens, and is so cognizant of the wrongness of his lusts that he's prone to suicidal depressions. As long as I have known him, he has declined invites into situations that would expose him to children in uncomfortable ways.

He is a good man with a horrible psychological disorder, who recognizes and is working hard to fix what is wrong with him.

Elicere

I can certainly pity someone in that situation.

I know someone in that situation. A dear dear friend of mine from college is/was in exactly that position.

However -- I'm not sure I would call him a pedophile - he has *never* acted on his desires, has been working with psychiatrists continually since his late teens, and is so cognizant of the wrongness of his lusts that he's prone to suicidal depressions. As long as I have known him, he has declined invites into situations that would expose him to children in uncomfortable ways.

He is a good man with a horrible psychological disorder, who recognizes and is working hard to fix what is wrong with him.

Elicere
Tell him to keep working ... one slip changes the victems life forever

But no I do not pitty them ... they are human but they should be responsible if they realize they have these tendancies and seek treatment
Which brings up the problem of how does one (er, our responcible pedro, not everyone else) seek treatment when to admit to the problem will cause a mob with torches and pitchforks to form outside his house?

Which brings up the problem of how does one (er, our responcible pedro, not everyone else) seek treatment when to admit to the problem will cause a mob with torches and pitchforks to form outside his house?
True ...

I guess by trusting the patient confidentiality that comes with therapy

(And I understand hence why my comments to peech ... )

Please note that I am making a difference between a non-practicing paedophile (eg someone who is aroused by children but does not act upon it) and a practicing one, the same difference I would argue between someone who is attracted to someone they see, and a rapist.

I'd say that paedophiles have no more control over their sexual preferences than homosexual or heterosexual people do, and on that grouds I do pity them since it is illegal for them to fulfill their sexual desires.

I'm not defending paedophiles who act on their desires, since I'd class them the same as rapists (eg no difference between defenceless man/woman and defenceless child).

But I do wonder if how many people if in that position would be able to restrain themselves for their entire lives, I suspect a lot less than those who would say they do.


Is this is the position of a pedophile lover?

You have got to be kidding. Pity a pedophile? No. Not. Ever. Under. Any. Circumstances.

Anybody here ever seen The Woodsman? It's an excellent movie, and I think it really makes you think about the subject.

As for the answer, I pity them just as I would anybody with a mental disorder. They should be institutionalized and if at all possible rehabilitated, but if they reach a point where they are no longer a danger to others then I would not hold their past actions against them anymore than I would those of a recovering psychotic.

Sorry that analogy does not fly. In the case of the hetro and homo, it involves two ADULTS! Children do not have the capacity to make an informed decision on matters of sexuality.

Which of course does not take away the fact the pedo has desires towards the children which (s)he cannot help having. You can think that desire is wrong and the pedo him/herself might (and hopefully will) even fully agree with you - but that doesn't mean (s)he can help the way (s)he feels.

In my opinion someone who has to combat their own desires at every waking moment because they consider them depraved and wrong deserves pity - and in some cases even admiration.

And anticipating what some poster will no doubt ask now: no - I would not leave that pedo alone with my children, no matter how much I pity him/her. I see no contradiction there.

Which brings up the problem of how does one (er, our responcible pedro, not everyone else) seek treatment when to admit to the problem will cause a mob with torches and pitchforks to form outside his house?

Not always. As the cops say about the Megan's law register; don't abuse it or it will be taken away.

If they seek treatment and register themselves and follow the rules(ie no Halloween or Christmas displays, stay away from playgrounds, etc.) then they should be left alone.

I have 2 sickos in the neighborhood. One just on the street behind me. I also have the DA's wife living up the street. She warned us to be wary of him. She broke rules but she didn't give details. As she said, if he wanders up this street call the police right away.

He stays to himself and I don't give him crap. Just watch for him.....

Which of course does not take away the fact the pedo has desires towards the children which (s)he cannot help having. You can think that desire is wrong and the pedo him/herself might (and hopefully will) even fully agree with you - but that doesn't mean (s)he can help the way (s)he feels.


If they don't seek out help, then they are trying to do something about it.

Simple willpower will not overcome this. Look at the Catholic Church....


In my opinion someone who has to combat their own desires at every waking moment because they consider them depraved and wrong deserves pity - and in some cases even admiration.


I admire the ceribal palsy trying to fit in. I admire a person who kicks a drug habit.

I don't admire this as this is something that will not be cured. An alcoholic or a drug abuser can slip. They only screw themselves. One of this creatures slip and they screw a childs life for good.

I will not pity them. I will however let them be as long as they register and constantly seek help.

Eventhen treatment and registering will not always work. I belive that creature that took that girl, raped her and killed her was in the system and seeing a shrink. But I am not postive on that.....

If they don't seek out help, then they are trying to do something about it.

Simple willpower will not overcome this. Look at the Catholic Church....



I admire the ceribal palsy trying to fit in. I admire a person who kicks a drug habit.

I don't admire this as this is something that will not be cured. An alcoholic or a drug abuser can slip. They only screw themselves. One of this creatures slip and they screw a childs life for good.

I will not pity them. I will however let them be as long as they register and constantly seek help.

Eventhen treatment and registering will not always work. I belive that creature that took that girl, raped her and killed her was in the system and seeing a shrink. But I am not postive on that.....


No pedophile would dare get help in this climite even if he felt he needed it.

True ...

I guess by trusting the patient confidentiality that comes with therapy
I think that would be the place were I would pity one, well, one who has not actually acted, but has looked for pictures or have had disturbing fantasies.

If you're in that boat, and you know it, who do you turn to? I mean, can you even go to your SO with this, without being turned away like a leaper? How do you get help when just bring up the mearest hint of the possability that you may NEED help will destroy your life?

Not always. As the cops say about the Megan's law register; don't abuse it or it will be taken away.
It doesn't need be a literal mob, it could just be a runed life because they asked for help before the worse could happen. If you're in trouble, and you know you are, and you know you're heading down a dark path that might end in something horrible, but you dare not cry out for help because it would destroy your world, and everything connected to you, what the hell do you do?

sounds to me like you are admitting to being a pedophile.

It doesn't need be a literal mob, it could just be a runed life because they asked for help before the worse could happen. If you're in trouble, and you know you are, and you know you're heading down a dark path that might end in something horrible, but you dare not cry out for help because it would destroy your world, and everything connected to you, what the hell do you do?

Do the honorable thing and seek help. Not everybody is going to abuse you. Your world is indeed messed up.

However, it is far less then to slip, attack a child and go to prison where you live in isolation because the other cons will try and kill you.

No pedophile would dare get help in this climite even if he felt he needed it.


Then he takes his chances.

sounds to me like you are admitting to being a pedophile.
*Pulls out large mallet and starts hitting, hard*
Don't even JOKE about that.

Do the honorable thing and seek help. Not everybody is going to abuse you. Your world is indeed messed up.
I'd hope so. Still, it would be the one situation where I would pity a pedro.
*And could you PLEASE change the tense so it doesn't sound like you're talking about ME?!*

However, it is far less then to slip, attack a child and go to prison where you live in isolation because the other cons will try and kill you.
I dunno, I've known situations were people have done some very stupid ass things because they feared for their repuation rather than their lives.

Can we see the vicious circle here folks?

Pedophilia is a very serious mental disorder, but if a potential pedophile seeks help for his or her illness, he or she will be treated as if he or she had all ready molested a child. Therefore potential pedophiles are kept from seeking out professional help, then they eventually crack under pressure over a period of time and they attempt to molest a child. And then when they get caught, the uproar reinforces people's notions of pedophilia and the cycle starts back again at Step One.

I think if we treated pedophiles who have not yet committed sexual assault as people suffering from a serious illness rather than a convicted criminal then more would feel comfortable seeking help instead of hiding in fear of their own lives.

If they did commit a crime, convict and sentence no different than any other sexual offender, and then possibly get them therapy in prison... if they live long enough, and if it can actually make a difference.

I'd hope so. Still, it would be the one situation where I would pity a pedro.
*And could you PLEASE change the tense so it doesn't sound like you're talking about ME?!*


I dunno, I've known situations were people have done some very stupid ass things because they feared for their repuation rather than their lives.

No worries! It wasn't aimed at you. I was talking about the person. :)

Maybe we can throww the pedophile into jail for thinking about raping kids, and we can throw you into jail for thking about killing him, even though neither of you have acted on your plans! That would make a good movie.As long as this one doesn't have Tom Cruise in it!
Well Tom Cruise can play the pedophile. Here is an outline of my screenplay for Minority Report 2: Right before Tom Cruise is about to molest a giirl the pre-cops suddenly swoop in and arrest him. But since the girl's father was just about to step into the room and discover Tom Cruise touching his daughter, the father was going to kill Tom Cruise, so both Tom Cruise and the father get put in the jail, even though no crime was committed. And then the heroic cop played by Don Cheadle gets framed, decries the procedure as a miscarriage of justice and destroys the whole pre-cog system (which was rebuilt after the events of Minority Report 1), and both Tom Cruise and the girl's father are freed.

Well Tom Cruise can play the pedophile. Here is an outline of my screenplay for Minority Report 2: Right before Tom Cruise is about to molest a giirl the pre-cops suddenly swoop in and arrest him. But since the girl's father was just about to step into the room and discover Tom Cruise touching his daughter, the father was going to kill Tom Cruise, so both Tom Cruise and the father get put in the jail, even though no crime was committed. And then the heroic cop played by Don Cheadle gets framed, decries the procedure as a miscarriage of justice and destroys the whole pre-cog system (which was rebuilt after the events of Minority Report 1), and both Tom Cruise and the girl's father are freed.

Heh heh. Brings a whole new twist on Minority Report huh? And would it be too wrong if Katie Holmes was the girl?

:D

Sorry in the matters of rape, there is a chance an ADULT can defend themselves. A child can not.

Of course, put a child with a black belt (I do know one... She's three years younger than I), in a situation where they could be raped, hell yeah, I think they can defend themselves!

Of course, put a child with a black belt (I do know one... She's three years younger than I), in a situation where they could be raped, hell yeah, I think they can defend themselves!

No, they cannot.

Of course, put a child with a black belt (I do know one... She's three years younger than I), in a situation where they could be raped, hell yeah, I think they can defend themselves!
No there is MUCH more then just the physical threat going on

My priest managed to get me out of sheer threat for my immortal soul and those of my family. Along with exposure to my classmates .

Simple physical defense is not always the solution

Simple physical defense is not always the solution
Not to mention the just shere physical dominance of an adult to a child. They may have training, but when someone is twice their size and able to pick them up one handed, you'd have to be increadably good to be able to fight back.

Not to mention the just shere physical dominance of an adult to a child. The may have training, but when someone is twice their size and able to pick them up one handed, you'd have to be increadably good to be able to fight back.
Agreed ... while I did not start on my path to my two black belts till 2 years after then I don't think it would have helped