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Very much so Conservative Republican, NRA supporter, Bush supporting, cowboy, patriot, and PROUD OF IT!

Very much so Conservative Republican, NRA supporter, Bush supporting, cowboy, patriot, and PROUD OF IT!
Almost the same, but I really dont have an opinion on the NRA.
Oh yah, prepare to be flamed:rolleyes:

Great. Another one.

Put the info into your profile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=444969) and quit thread-spamming. The idea is for a discussion...what are you proposing we discuss in this thread?

Democrat/working family party/liberal/independent... I'm pro 2nd ammendment... My views are more closely aligned with libertarian, but no party formation here in NY.

Very much so Conservative Republican, NRA supporter, Bush supporting, cowboy, patriot, and PROUD OF IT!o..........k..........

BTW, you're flame baitng.

Those are some pretty sucky poll options. Where's the "libertarian atheist", "pinko commie", and "neo-conservative theocrat" options?

On another note, I think this is the first 2006 nation I've seen in General.

Very much so Conservative Republican, NRA supporter, Bush supporting, cowboy, patriot, and PROUD OF IT!
Neither. I am not a Republican because I am leftwing. I am not a Democrat because I am leftwing.

Very much so Conservative Republican, NRA supporter, Bush supporting, cowboy, patriot, and PROUD OF IT!

*Screams*
*Runs to find garlic/wooden stake*

Not American. There is a profile thread which has loads of people's political views. If someone feels like being nice, they might dig up the map of NS general's political compass scores.

what are you proposing we discuss in this thread?
The need to add a chest thumping catagory for all these world stopping declerations?

Those are some pretty sucky poll options. Where's the "libertarian atheist", "pinko commie", and "neo-conservative theocrat" options?
Judging from the connection between the words "liberal" and "democrat", I'd wager that the OP is very much caught in a simplistic view of US-centric politics - in which case "libertarians" don't exist, Communists are too evil to actually exist and Neocons are made-up by the evil Left.

Those are some pretty sucky poll options. Where's the "libertarian atheist", "pinko commie", and "neo-conservative theocrat" options?
Good question, since if you are not USian, you are either Republican or apathetic, because only the US is fucked up enough to create the Democrat's platform.

That is excellent. A political views poll with only three choices.

I am registered republican, but I am begining to realize that I am not really
a republican in the truest of sense. I am conservative though.

That is excellent. A political views poll with only three choices.
are you suggesting their are political views to take other than the main two that host canidates in elections:confused:

Arghh!!! You've found my only weakness - inane political threads! As such I am compelled to reply, knowing full well the pointlessness of the thread and how little value chiming in with my answer adds to the thread. Damn you, you Lex Luthor of General.. damn you!

Oh yea - Libertarian Socialist, Pro-Second Amendment, Bush-hating, intellectual, anti-patriot and PROUD OF IT!

On another note, I think this is the first 2006 nation I've seen in General.Aww crap... I hope it's not sign of things to come...

*Screams*
*Runs to find garlic/wooden stake*Don't forget the silver bullets... ;)

Libertarian. Freedom-lover. Except that I'm pro-life.

Libertarian Socialist

You are one confused person. I hope you don't vote. =P

Libertarian. Freedom-lover. Except that I'm pro-life.
You are one confused person. I hope you don't vote. =P
*Points to the obvious*

are you suggesting their are political views to take other than the main two that host canidates in elections:confused:

Ever been to europe? Plenty of parties here.

Libertarian. Freedom-lover. Except that I'm pro-life.



You are one confused person. I hope you don't vote. =P

I sir/madame am not the one confused.

Libertarian Socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism)

Complicated Wikipedia explaination, but (in my case) it boils down to Socially Libertarian whilst Economically Socialist.

I too am a freedom lover. Pleased to meet you.:)

Bring back the Bull Mooses!!!

Or Meece!!!

Whatever!!!

Ever been to europe? Plenty of parties here.
Hell, just go north and the number of political parties doubles.

Complicated Wikipedia explaination, but (in my case) it boils down to Socially Libertarian whilst Economically Socialist.

Me too. It's not all that uncommon.

Hell, just go north and the number of political parties doubles.

Why does that say "zitat von Drunkendove"?

Me too. It's not all that uncommon.

Indeed. The gentleman/lady I quoted however seemed unfamiliar with the concept.:)

I sir/madame am not the one confused.

Libertarian Socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism)

Complicated Wikipedia explaination, but (in my case) it boils down to Socially Libertarian whilst Economically Socialist.

I too am a freedom lover. Pleased to meet you.:)

Well, I think I'm confused now. How is this different from idealistic communist (which is the communist theory, not the socialist autocracy practice it has grown into)?

Why does that say "zitat von Drunkendove"?
German Browser maybe.

This is way too limiting. I am registered Republican, but I am politically moderate. This means all my liberal friends think I'm somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh and all my conservative friends think I'm somewhere way to the left of Ted Kennedy.

I sir/madame am not the one confused.

Libertarian Socialism

Complicated Wikipedia explaination, but (in my case) it boils down to Socially Libertarian whilst Economically Socialist.

I too am a freedom lover. Pleased to meet you.

So basically anti-capitalist, socially liberal? We call those "liberals" here in America. =P

And one question: If you're freedom-loving, wouldn't you want less government regulation of our monetary choices, not more?

Well, I think I'm confused now. How is this different from idealistic communist (which is the communist theory, not the socialist autocracy practice it has grown into)?

Perhaps by dictionary definiton they are not far apart. I however use the term to distinguish myself from Pure Communists, because I am not a pure communist in practice. Think Scandinavia-style Social Democracy, with a socially Libertarian ideology.

So basically anti-capitalist, socially liberal? We call those "liberals" here in America. =P

And one question: If you're freedom-loving, wouldn't you want less government regulation of our monetary choices, not more?

No, not really. It's not regulation of our monetary choices I want. I don't care what you buy, and for the most part what you sell.

I do however believe in a system that minimizes the effects of economic deprivation and promotes greater social equality, and a system that protects the less fortunate. Mostly my ideas focus on taxation and social programs - only the last aspect would require regulation, and then only of businesses, not of Joe Blow's monetary comings and goings.

Perhaps by dictionary definiton they are not far apart. I however use the term to distinguish myself from Pure Communists, because I am not a pure communist in practice. Think Scandinavia-style Social Democracy, with a socially Libertarian ideology.

Well, very few small groups of people are pure communist in practice.

....because everyone is American, and everyone can be made to fit into only two categories...

Well, I think I'm confused now. How is this different from idealistic communist (which is the communist theory, not the socialist autocracy practice it has grown into)?

depends on the branch of libertarian socialism. some of it, like my branch aims at anarcho-communism. other bits aim at slightly different non-communist end states. and the difference between anarcho-communism and the marxists has to do with questions of how to get from here to there. and a historical dislike going back to the first international.

....because everyone is American, and everyone can be made to fit into only two categories...

Welcome to an American point of view. Please check with Customs before leaving the airport, and enjoy your stay.:p

Well, very few small groups of people are pure communist in practice.

True enough. Pure communism, if I understand Marx's writing, isn't really something you can just decide to have as a government type. It involves a major shift in societal structure, values and organs, leading to an attitude change and an end to alienated existence, and the eventual withering of the state due to it being unneccisary.

There are some communistic tribes and small communes and such, but I don't think a pure communist society exists yet.

Welcome to an American point of view. Please check with Customs before leaving the airport, and enjoy your stay.

Of course, because all Americans are either "Liberal" or "Conservative" as well. I understand.

Of course, because all Americans are either "Liberal" or "Conservative" as well. I understand.

In truth it was meant to be a potshot at Americans and our outlook, but it came out wrong.

In truth it was meant to be a potshot at Americans and our outlook, but it came out wrong.

Oh, okay. :)

To be fair, the OP did include an "independent/don't care" option, but by lumping that in with "don't care" it appears to indicate that such beliefs do not matter.

Yesterday I took the Political Compass quiz and scored exactly 0.00 on the left/right scale and -6.00 on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. I'm not sure what this makes me.

Extreme Economic Conservative- Pro-Business, Anti-Union, no government intervention in anything except courts, police and fire stations. No welfare or drug enforcement. Against income tax and against sales tax.

Socially liberal- I believe in freedom in all of its forms, religiously tolerant and tolerance in drug related issues. No government intervention in marriage. Abortion should be legal only because I fear the damage of backalley abortions.

Yesterday I took the Political Compass quiz and scored exactly 0.00 on the left/right scale and -6.00 on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. I'm not sure what this makes me.

In US politics, you are a fair bit more "left" economically than the Democrats, and far more socially libertarian. I would say you fit the mould of many European social democrats.

Yesterday I took the Political Compass quiz and scored exactly 0.00 on the left/right scale and -6.00 on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. I'm not sure what this makes me.

You're a Socialist. Pick up your copy of Das Capital and COMINTERN membership card at the desk.:p

Extreme Economic Conservative- Pro-Business, Anti-Union, no government intervention in anything except courts, police and fire stations. No welfare or drug enforcement. Against income tax and against sales tax.

Anti union, eh? Do you think they should be disallowed, or are you simply personally opposed to them? Just curious.

So basically anti-capitalist, socially liberal? We call those "liberals" here in America. =P

while it's true that libertarian socialists are often called liberals (as are stalinists, welfare state supporters, and gay people in general), we aren't liberals, and those that self-identify as liberals aren't much like us.

"We are convinced that liberty without Socialism is privilege and injustice, and that Socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality."

And one question: If you're freedom-loving, wouldn't you want less government regulation of our monetary choices, not more?

of course.

better question: if you are fanatical lover of liberty, wouldn't you want liberty in all spheres of life? particularly those spheres where people spend much of their time and engage in much of their interaction with others - such as in the workplace?

Extreme Economic Conservative- Pro-Business, Anti-Union, no government intervention in anything except courts, police and fire stations. No welfare or drug enforcement. Against income tax and against sales tax.

Socially liberal- I believe in freedom in all of its forms, religiously tolerant and tolerance in drug related issues. No government intervention in marriage. Abortion should be legal only because I fear the damage of backalley abortions.

You're a right-wing libertarian.

You're a Socialist. Pick up your copy of Das Capital and COMINTERN membership card at the desk.:p

I'm becoming convinced that I'm the capitalist, and everyone to the left and right of me are the socialists. After all, what is a corporation if not an institution whereby the individual disappears into the will and force of the collective? Isn't that the whole point? E pluribus unum; it's right there on the money.

In US politics, you are a fair bit more "left" economically than the Democrats, and far more socially libertarian. I would say you fit the mould of many European social democrats.

I find that when left-wing parties point out problems, I tend to agree. When they propose solutions, however, I tend to disagree.

I'm becoming convinced that I'm the capitalist, and everyone to the left and right of me are the socialists. After all, what is a corporation if not an institution whereby the individual disappears into the will and force of the collective? Isn't that the whole point? E pluribus unum; it's right there on the money.

An interesting observation, and being an anarchist, one that I agree with. However, you aren't working together for the good of all in a corporation (as socialism would suggest), you're working for the good of one man, or perhaps a small group of shareholders. That's the prime difference - you may have to work together, but you certainly are not an equal.

Anti union, eh? Do you think they should be disallowed, or are you simply personally opposed to them? Just curious.

I recognize their right to exist, however I also recognize the right of a business to let the members of the union go in favor of non-union members, or another union. If I were running NYC the subway strike would have lasted 30 seconds, then the workers would have been fired.

An interesting observation, and being an anarchist, one that I agree with. However, you aren't working together for the good of all in a corporation (as socialism would suggest), you're working for the good of one man, or perhaps a small group of shareholders. That's the prime difference - you may have to work together, but you certainly are not an equal.

Whereas with the left-wing version, the boss - or rather, my "comrades" - never think of their own greed or want for power, and always put others first. Nice in theory, but, like the right-wing version, more likely to result in a lesson about how some animals are more equal than others. :)

I recognize their right to exist, however I also recognize the right of a business to let the members of the union go in favor of non-union members, or another union. If I were running NYC the subway strike would have lasted 30 seconds, then the workers would have been fired.

Alright. I disagree with that position, but I was simply curious. :)

Whereas with the left-wing version, the boss - or rather, my "comrades" - never think of their own greed or want for power, and always put others first. Nice in theory, but, like the right-wing version, more likely to result in a lesson about how some animals are more equal than others. :)

I don't see that thinking as incompatible with humanity, however. I don't pretend to think of it as possibly being implemented tomorrow, but I believe sometime in the future (whether sooner or later) we will get to the stage where it becomes possible.

I don't see how you can see it any other way. Employees are employeed by choice, on both ends. Employeers can always choose to let go of a employee. If employees had the right to hold employeers captive then our economy has the potential of collapse.

I don't see how you can see it any other way. Employees are employeed by choice, on both ends. Employeers can always choose to let go of a employee. If employees had the right to hold employeers captive then our economy has the potential of collapse.

It's because I don't see examples like Victorian-era England as a good example of a perfectly fair or free society. You might, and I respect your right to that opinion, but I shall still elect to disagree with you.

"Individualist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualist)" is about the best I can come up with. The results I got from the Moral Politics (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Home) quiz (Moral Order: 0, Moral Rules: -5.5) seems to support this.

Opposition to collectivism, public or private. Sounds good.

It's because I don't see examples like Victorian-era England as a good example of a perfectly fair or free society. You might, and I respect your right to that opinion, but I shall still elect to disagree with you.

I do not suggest Victorian-era England, as I am a believer in free-market capitalism. Victorian-era England practiced a form a capitalism called Mercantilism, which differs from free-market capitalism in 2 distinct ways. The first being that preference is given to colonies of the parent country through tariffs, and the second being a larger role of the government within the economy.

Free-market Capitalism (aka economic liberalism or laissez-faire economics) was first theorized by Anders Chydenius in his book "The National Gain". He was the first to propose freedom of trade and industry as the principal economic system in 1765. Adam Smith elaborated further upon Chydenius's ideas with his own book "The Wealth of Nations" (1776), which brought together many economic ideas into a singular text. Smith advocated free trade and focused on the role of self-interest, the "Invisible Hand" that controls price, free of government intervention.

Not only did the United States take up this policy, it thrived on it. By 1900, the United States industrial output was 4 times the second largest in the world. - The policy I take.

Unions became major players after Theodore Roosevelt decided to sue every major industry, same with FDR. FDR's pro-union stance did little to help America out of it's depression. By all standards of measuring economic activity, his policies failed. - The policy you advocate

Thanks, I'll stick with my policy

Those are some pretty sucky poll options. Where's the "libertarian atheist", "pinko commie", and "neo-conservative theocrat" options?

or just plain old Dyed in the wool deep Red Commie, forget any pinko libertarian rubbish.

I'm a member of The Bull Moose Party. Rawr.

No political association. I prefer to think for myself and to decide my opinion case-by-case.

So my political compass says:

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15

What precisely do I do with this information?

An I the only libertarian who finds the very concept of a "libertarian socialist" to be a bit nauseating? I mean, the only thing scarier is a populist. :p

I'm a bit left of centre. A relapsed anarchist so I guess that makes me a libertarian ( which was originally a left-wing term ). In america I'd probably be considered a communist...

Couldn't really vote.
Social libertarian, economic liberal/protectionist. I'd probably be called a conservative democrat. Maybe not.

Contrary to what certain rabid, anti-military, anti-American, reality-challenged, knee-jerk ideologues on here would have you believe, I am a centrist independent.

Conservative Republican with a few lib tendencies. I support the NRA, the war in Iraq, and the President.

Steph :mp5:

Democrat: mostly because how curropt Republicans act. Not saying there aren't bad Democrats but I usually see more bad Repubs.

I don't mind Liberal because the original meaning is a good thing.
So I have no quarrels with voting Liberal Dem.

An I the only libertarian who finds the very concept of a "libertarian socialist" to be a bit nauseating? I mean, the only thing scarier is a populist. :p

no. but that's because lots of so-called 'libertarians' are what kevin carson calls vulgar libertarians (http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/01/vulgar-libertarianism-watch-part-1.html). they seem to be more interested in protecting the bosses than in liberty and seem to forget from one minute to the next whether they are in favor of free markets or pro-statist corporate capitalism.

then there is the other significant chunk of so-called 'libertarians' who aren't even vulgar libertarians. hell, they aren't even pot-smoking republicans. they're regular republicans who like to pretend that they aren't instituting a massive authoritarian police state, and use the fact that they oppose welfare and affirmative action (because they hate black people) to claim to be 'libertarian' because they think it makes them look cooler.


of course, our understanding and use of the term 'libertarian' both predates yours (and theirs), and is not riddled with internal contradictions or blind spots.

Libertarians are akin to the democratic party from 1828 on til theodore rooselvelt.

Contrary to what certain rabid, anti-military, anti-American, reality-challenged, knee-jerk ideologues on here would have you believe, I am a centrist independent.

dou·ble·think Audio pronunciation of "doublethink" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dbl-thngk)
n.

Thought marked by the acceptance of gross contradictions and falsehoods, especially when used as a technique of self-indoctrination: “Doublethink... is a vast system of mental cheating” (George Orwell).

:p

Libertarians are akin to the democratic party from 1828 on til theodore rooselvelt.

split between those that were pro-slavery and the various pro-freedom and pro-progress factions the slavers kept chasing out of the party?

I'm a liberal, but only an iffy Democrat. They're really Republican-lite. We need more than two parties.
I'm so liberal I'm sure it makes the thread authors teeth hurt.:D

Libertarians are actually more allied with republicans. Im not one,Im actually a very liberal democrat but I consider myself more in line with the green party/borderline socialist.

Devoted Tory (wanted Davis to win the leadership). intellectual and advocate of imperialism.

No political association. I prefer to think for myself and to decide my opinion case-by-case.Ditto. I'm pretty right-wing and/or authoritarian on some issues, and very liberal on others. As has been said, this poll is too narrow - not only does it consider everyone interested in politics must have an either/or view, it also doesn't account for the fact that not everyone in this forum is from the US. The word 'Republican', for example, means something very different in this country :p Actually, now that I think about it, so do 'conservative', 'liberal' etc...

I voted "liberal democrat", because I'm definitely against conservative republicans, but I would answer "democratic communist" or "democratic socialist" or something like that.

Ditto. I'm pretty right-wing and/or authoritarian on some issues, and very liberal on others. As has been said, this poll is too narrow - not only does it consider everyone interested in politics must have an either/or view, it also doesn't account for the fact that not everyone in this forum is from the US. The word 'Republican', for example, means something very different in this country :p Actually, now that I think about it, so do 'conservative', 'liberal' etc...

Also, "Liberal Democrat" is actually a name of a party here.

Confused me for a second. :)

(My defence, its late, and I was up early)