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When the almighty human-rights destroyer (Stephen Harper) is elected as our PM, where will you go?

I might stay in Canada to become a freedom fighter, but I also wouldn't mind moving to Iceland, so I can knock up Bjork and make an army of weird children.

When the almighty human-rights destroyer (Stephen Harper) is elected as our PM, where will you go?
First, that isn't very nice to Mr Harper:rolleyes:.
Second, it does kinda make this thread for Canadians only.
Third, thanks to western alienation, Ottawa has no effect on BC.
Fourth, Harper cannot fuck up as bad as Gordon Cambell has.
Fifth, if I did leave (huge fucking if), I'd go to Germany.

Because Harper is SOOOOO much worse than the other candidates how??????

First, that isn't very nice to Mr Harper:rolleyes:.
Second, it does kinda make this thread for Canadians only.
Third, thanks to western alienation, Ottawa has no effect on BC.
Fourth, Harper cannot fuck up as bad as Gordon Cambell has.
Fifth, if I did leave (huge fucking if), I'd go to Germany.

First, Mr. Harper was never very nice to me.
Second, think so? Wow, you must be feeling quite clever.
Third, you may think that, but, although BC does not recieve the same financial benefits and social services as Ottawa due to favouratism, our general image as Canadians will be affect with the election of Stephen Harper.
Fourth, that would seriously depend upon your definition of screwing up. Personally, I feel that spending excessive amounts of money on the military and crime and punishment would be more damaging than anything Mr. Campbell could do.
Fifth, are you right-wing?

Because Harper is SOOOOO much worse than the other candidates how??????

Social issues and being a little too nicey-nice with the ideas of the current administration to the south.

Because Harper is SOOOOO much worse than the other candidates how??????

He's a TORRIE. They are scary. Besides, he wants to repeal the gay marriage act, which has already been debated and passed by parliament, and which would be passed again next time a non-torrie gov't came into power.

Because Harper is SOOOOO much worse than the other candidates how??????
He wants to exterminate the Jews. I call Godwin's Law on myself.

He wants to exterminate the Jews. I call Godwin's Law on myself.

Sorry, that's Hitler, but I can see where you might confuse the two.

First, Mr. Harper was never very nice to me.
Second, think so? Wow, you must be feeling quite clever.
Third, you may think that, but, although BC does not recieve the same financial benefits and social services as Ottawa due to favouratism, our general image as Canadians will be affect with the election of Stephen Harper.
Fourth, that would seriously depend upon your definition of screwing up. Personally, I feel that spending excessive amounts of money on the military and crime and punishment would be more damaging than anything Mr. Campbell could do.
Fifth, are you right-wing?
First, was he ever mean to you?
Second, yes I am clever.
Third, that was a sad attempt at sarcasm.
Fourth, I didn't really mean that.
Fifth, no I am not.

First, was he ever mean to you?
Second, yes I am clever.
Third, that was a sad attempt at sarcasm.
Fourth, I didn't really mean that.
Fifth, no I am not.

Not directly.

I'll move to the new nation of Quebec, demand my dual citizenship, and set about re-establishing my lifestyle there.

I'll move to the new nation of Quebec, demand my dual citizenship, and set about re-establishing my lifestyle there.
Vive Quebec!

Come to Ireland. We're short of people here. You can stay in my shed.

Come to Ireland. We're short of people here. You can stay in my shed.
What, they'd have a seventh-generation Scots descendant with a smattering of native blood? Lemme see...

Does it rain quite a bit? Is it cold for a good portion of the year? Do you ever see snow places other than a TV screen?

If the answer to any two of the above three questions is yes, count me in. I'm flexible. Let me see if I can re-establish my lifestyle there, instead.

yay for Hyperbole.

All you've gotta do is look down south. But not nearly as far as the Rio Grande.

What, they'd have a seventh-generation Scots descendant with a smattering of native blood? Lemme see...

Does it rain quite a bit? Is it cold for a good portion of the year? Do you ever see snow places other than a TV screen?

If the answer to any two of the above three questions is yes, count me in. I'm flexible. Let me see if I can re-establish my lifestyle there, instead.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Seriously, we'd take anyone. We really are short of people.

If we leave, Canada will be transformed into a super super right-wing state and America's bitch to the north. :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'll wait until his minority government gets booted out and we start this shit all over again.

Come to Ireland. We're short of people here. You can stay in my shed.
OoOo. I love irish accents. *drools*

I'll wait until his minority government gets booted out and we start this shit all over again.
And I'll be able to vote that time!

And I'll be able to vote that time!

I'm a stones throw away from Canada... I have no idea what's going on in crazy Canada, except your guys voted out your government, which is cool, what is going on up there???

I'm a stones throw away from Canada... I have no idea what's going on in crazy Canada, except your guys voted out your government, which is cool, what is going on up there???
We didn't vote out our government. We had a minority government (the ruling party had less than half the seats) and the opposition parties ganged up on them in a vote of non-confidence, throwing them out of power and starting an election.

We didn't vote out our government. We had a minority government (the ruling party had less than half the seats) and the opposition parties ganged up on them in a vote of non-confidence, throwing them out of power and starting an election.

Ok, thats cool, but doesn't the population have to have no confidence in the party thats ruling? Meaning, IDK, do Canadians have a say before this happens?? And better yet why did it happen?

Well they say these things come in threes...

Wait a minute... *scratches head* How can Ireland be short of people?

Ok, thats cool, but doesn't the population have to have no confidence in the party thats ruling? Meaning, IDK, do guys have a say before this happens?? And better yet why did it happen?
'Guys'?

why did it happen?
Mostly 'cause the MPs in this Parliament weren't MPs during our past minority governments, and forgot how to run them so they work effectively.

*edit: Nahhhh, there's reams and reams of reasons, good, bad, big and small. Give me an issue, any issue. Got one?

Mostly 'cause the MPs in this Parliament weren't MPs during our past minority governments, and forgot how to run them so they work effectively.

Ah, does this have any impact on the US?

Wait a minute... *scratches head* How can Ireland be short of people?

4.3% unemployment. 5% growth. Without more people things will go belly up.

Harper if elected won't be able to hang on to the government for very long. He talks and talks and talks but there is no hope in hell that Harper can hang on to a government without selling out Quebec to the seperatist bloq.
My best guess is that if he's elected we could be having elections again this year.

He won't be elected though. Martin will form a government with the NDP, and I hope that they can work together. Some of Canada's greatest governments sprung from Liberal-NDP deals.

Ok, thats cool, but doesn't the population have to have no confidence in the party thats ruling? Meaning, IDK, do guys have a say before this happens?? And better yet why did it happen?
No, it's not necessarily that the population of Canada had no confidence in the government, it's that the opposing parties didn't like what they were doing so they booted them out.
I really think that they should put members of parliment in based on % of the vote they get and eliminate the ability to boot out a government for such a reason and perhaps institute a system where an election is on a schedule. Thay way it's always a minority coalition, but it will force the parties to work together. Also, instead of the bloc having a rediculous number of seats for their % of the votes they get and the NDP having the same % and like half the seats, and the green party having no seats despite getting 5% of the votes, the politicians in power will better reflect the populace.

Ah, does this have any impact on the US?
Well, if Harper gets into power, count on someone else kissing your ass. If Martin stays in power, then well, hopefully he'll be able to finally get some things changed (like the whole softwood lumber thing... that would be fuckign nice)

No, it's not necessarily that the population of Canada had no confidence in the government, it's that the opposing parties didn't like what they were doing so they booted them out.
I really think that they should put members of parliment in based on % of the vote they get and eliminate the ability to boot out a government for such a reason and perhaps institute a system where an election is on a schedule. Thay way it's always a minority coalition, but it will force the parties to work together. Also, instead of the bloc having a rediculous number of seats for their % of the votes they get and the NDP having the same % and like half the seats, and the green party having no seats despite getting 5% of the votes, the politicians in power will better reflect the populace.

WoW, am I glad I live in the US... I have a hard enough time paying attention to our elections, let alone dealing with that....

Well, if Harper gets into power, count on someone else kissing your ass. If Martin stays in power, then well, hopefully he'll be able to finally get some things changed (like the whole softwood lumber thing... that would be fuckign nice)

Not from an arrogant, I'm an American point of view... But I'm near the border.. I like to know whats going on up there... Just in case you guys get uppity and decide to attack... :)

Not from an arrogant, I'm an American point of view... But I'm near the border.. I like to know whats going on up there... Just in case you guys get uppity and decide to attack... :)
We couldn't get you to stop fishing in our waters, an attack is totally out of the question.

We couldn't get you to stop fishing in our waters, an attack is totally out of the question.

IDk, Canadians got people on horses and you'd have the element of surprise.. Hell, we sing your national anthem over here.... *GASP* Has the invasion already started?

Out of curiosity when and where exactly do you sing our national anthem down there?

Out of curiosity when and where exactly do you sing our national anthem down there?

Well, all our sporting events, like racing, ect... Canada is only about an hour from here... Meet a lot Canadians durning the summer, good people... The Canadian flag also flies every where around here... Government buildings, ect...

how can the opposing party just overthrow the ruling party (which i sasume is chosen by the majority of the people) without the voice of the electorate behind them?
No, it's not necessarily that the population of Canada had no confidence in the government, it's that the opposing parties didn't like what they were doing so they booted them out.
I really think that they should put members of parliment in based on % of the vote they get and eliminate the ability to boot out a government for such a reason and perhaps institute a system where an election is on a schedule. Thay way it's always a minority coalition, but it will force the parties to work together. Also, instead of the bloc having a rediculous number of seats for their % of the votes they get and the NDP having the same % and like half the seats, and the green party having no seats despite getting 5% of the votes, the politicians in power will better reflect the populace.
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Well, all our sporting events, like racing, ect... Canada is only about an hour from here... Meet a lot Canadians durning the summer, good people... The Canadian flag also flies every where around here... Government buildings, ect...
The Star Spangled Banner is also sung at most canadian sporting events too. Nice tune and great lyrics. :D

Wait a minute. The Canadian flag flies over US government buildings? :eek:

I've got tons of family in the US. Great people. It's remarkable how relations are as peacefull as they are between the US and Canada considering how substancialy different things are.

Well, all our sporting events, like racing, ect... Canada is only about an hour from here... Meet a lot Canadians durning the summer, good people... The Canadian flag also flies every where around here... Government buildings, ect...
Thats not what I saw when I went to Washington (state).

how can the opposing party just overthrow the ruling party (which i sasume is chosen by the majority of the people) without the voice of the electorate behind them?
The ruling party doesn't need to be chosen by the majority of people. In Canada, to be the ruling party you only need 12.5%+1 votes. When a motion of confidence is voted upon (like a budget), if the motion does not pass there PM has to call an election.

The Star Spangled Banner is also sung at most canadian sporting events too. Nice tune and great lyrics. :D

Wait a minute. The Canadian flag flies over US government buildings? :eek:

I've got tons of family in the US. Great people. It's remarkable how relations are as peacefull as they are between the US and Canada considering how substancialy different things are.
I guess there is alot of money in peace between Canada and the US.

In NY from the northern, central and western parts of the state Canada is widely accepted... Sorry to say, but we almost think of it as another state.. The canadian flag flies at city hall, the education center, the university, the sports arena's, pretty much everywhere...

I guess there is alot of money in peace between Canada and the US.

It's not so peaceful some people from other states have a horrible opinion of Canada... But to hell with them... Every Canadian I've ever met has been very friendly....

It's not so peaceful some people from other states have a horrible opinion of Canada... But to hell with them... Every Canadian I've ever met has been very friendly....
Don't worry, most Canadians claim to hate the US.

how can the opposing party just overthrow the ruling party (which i sasume is chosen by the majority of the people) without the voice of the electorate behind them?

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You must bear in mind that there are more tha two political parties. The encumbent party, the Liberals, had the greatest number of seats in the House of Commons, but a combination of votes from opposing parties could (and did) bring his government down. Had the Prime Minister been more willing to work with one of the opposition parties, he could have held power longer, but instead he gambled and intentionally ended his party's alliance with the NDP, who held the balance of power in the House for him.

See, our PM figured he could parlay a minority government into a majority government on the basis of his not being the former Prime Minister, Jean Chretien. A man like Paul Martin (or Stevie Harper, for that matter) would never be happy with a minority government, anyway - it requires consensus-building, accomodating the electorate, and actually having to live up to what they said on the campaign trail. With a majority, they're free to ram through any damn thing they want, whenever they want.

I don't know why we seem to very nearly always, and stupidly I'll add, elect majority governments in this country. No wait - I do, really:

FEARFUL IDIOTS VOTING 'STRATEGICALLY'.

Don't worry, most Canadians claim to hate the US.

No reason to hate NY tho :)

You NDP guys and gals can accuse voters of being chickens and voting strategicaly all you want... just remember not to come complaining when Harper later starts passing laws...

You NDP guys and gals can accuse voters of being chickens and voting strategicaly all you want... just remember not to come complaining when Harper later starts passing laws...
Well, last election, people 'stratigically' voting Liberal hurt the NDP just enough for the Conservatives to win.

What exactly did the conservatives win in the last elections?

Is this correct?:

The Liberal Party sent government money to various politically connected ad agencies to produce ads that were directed at the people in Quebec so that they would vote to keep Quebec part of Cananda. Part of that government money was redirected back into the Liberal Party's coffers.

I'm in Texas so I'm not sure if that's correct. We've got problems with Mexico to worry about.

I hope the Conservatives will win just to spite you. This sort of paranoid nonsense has no basis in reality. Harper could not destroy the country any more than Martin. Deal with your petty prejudices and wake up to the fact that some Canadians like the Conservative agenda (not me, but I'm not saying the world is going to asplode just because I don't get what I want, unlike *some* people).

The Liberal Party sent government money to various politically connected ad agencies to produce ads that were directed at the people in Quebec so that they would vote to keep Quebec part of Cananda. Part of that government money was redirected back into the Liberal Party's coffers.



Thats basically it, it's kinda like that abramoff character and the republicans.

Is this correct?:

The Liberal Party sent government money to various politically connected ad agencies to produce ads that were directed at the people in Quebec so that they would vote to keep Quebec part of Cananda. Part of that government money was redirected back into the Liberal Party's coffers.

I'm in Texas so I'm not sure if that's correct. We've got problems with Mexico to worry about.
Spot on. I would just like to add that none of the people involved in that kickback scheme are running in this election.

I'm not Canadian.

But if a rightwing party would be elected I would stay right here to fight for freedom!

4.3% unemployment. 5% growth. Without more people things will go belly up.

I can think of a much more enjoyable way of solving that problem than petitioning to refugees of Canada, you know. All you need is a bed, some Fairy Liquid, a banana and a DVD of the Chuckle Brothers and you're set.

When the almighty human-rights destroyer (Stephen Harper) is elected as our PM, where will you go?
Well don't come to the US it's already happening here!