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This Egyptian cleric has ruled that being naked while scewing your wife automatically annuls the marriage. So basically a whole shitload of Muslims are now living in sin.

According to the religious edict issued by Rashad Hassan Khalil, a former dean of Al-Azhar University's faculty of Sharia (or Islamic law), "being completely naked during the act of coitus annuls the marriage".

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/01/09/1136655112299.html?from=top5

I see your Egyptian nutcase and I raise you an Indian nutcase ;)

There was this woman called Imrana who was raped by her father-in-law.

Guess what the Deobandi beards did? - Deoband is a dominant sunni sect in the sub-continent..very archaic, obscurantist, misogynistic and have downright anti-nationals in their ranks. Fortunately we booted a lot of them to Pakistan during partition.

Well, the Deobandi clerics issued a fatwa..annulled her marriage and ruled that she cannot be wife to her husband anymore because she is now the mother of her husband ..:confused:

I am NOT kidding.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=73566
Amidst a raging debate over the fatwa issued by Darul Uloom Deoband in the Imrana case — that she cannot go back to her husband after being raped by her father-in-law...

The actual fatwa

http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2005/20050706b.htm
Question:
In Charthawal town of Muzaffarnagar district, a married woman was raped by her real father-in-law. When this incident was made public by this woman, the village panchayat decided that under such condition the woman has got divorced and now this the woman, who was the wife of rapist’s son, has now become the wife of the father-in-law; that she has become forbidden (haram) for her husband. The village panchayat has sent the woman to her parents’ house (maika). This woman has five children from her husband.

Now the question arises: if a married woman is raped by her real father-in-law, will her wifehood be changed, i.e., will she no longer remain the wife of her husband or will she be considered as divorced and will she become haram for her husband? If it is so, will she be married anew to her rapist father-in-law? And whose children will those five existing children be considered? Will these children be considered brothers and sisters of their father?

Such types of questions are making rounds and are being discussed in that area. In the absence of any clear Shar’i command or explanation, a great sense of uncertainly is prevailing in the locality. There are also a lot of misunderstandings and misreportings in the media. Ulama and Muftis are therefore requested to give their opinions and clarifications in this matter.

Mohammad Ashraf Usmani
Rashtriya Sahara (Urdu)



Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
The answer with the help of Allah:confused:
If someone has committed adultery with the wife of his son, and if this has been proved by the depositions of witnesses or if his son confirms it or if the woman herself admits and confirms it, the wife of the son becomes haram forever for the son. If the father copulates with a woman either legally after marriage, or illegally without marriage, in both cases it becomes haram for a man [son] to keep her her in his marriage.

If is mentioned in the Qur’an ‘wa la tankihoo ma nakaha aaba-o-kum’ [“And marry not women whom your fathers married” -- Qur’an, 4:22], i.e., the son should separate himself from his wife and never go to her. The contention of the panchayat people that the wife of the son has now become wife of the father and her wifehood has changed is not correct, or to say that the wife of the son is divorced is also not correct. Neither she can be married to her father-in-law. All the five children are legitimate children of their real parents. They will be considered grandsons and granddaughters of their father’s father and not brothers and sisters of their father.

but why? I don't understand.........what if one of you just wears socks? or is it not okay for one of you to be completely nude? should they both wear socks?

but why? I don't understand.........what if one of you just wears socks? or is it not okay for one of you to be completely nude? should they both wear socks?
eeww...just the thought of that... both wearing nothing but socks. Yuckyuckyuck :eek:

- much snippage -

I'm surprised they even call it "rape" - you'd think the kind of reasoning they use doesn't really go too well with rape...

eeww...just the thought of that... both wearing nothing but socks. Yuckyuckyuck :eek:
okay fine socks and hats. ;)

but why? I don't understand.........what if one of you just wears socks? or is it not okay for one of you to be completely nude? should they both wear socks?

All hail the wisdom of Smunkeeville!;)

okay fine socks and hats. ;)
Hats might be difficult to keep on, though ;)

All hail the wisdom of Smunkeeville!;)
I am snatching that for my sig. :D

Hats might be difficult to keep on, though ;)
ah, duct tape then. :D fixes everything :p

ah, duct tape then. :D fixes everything :p
Hmm...socks and duct tape. ... this is getting weirder by the minute :p

In my opinion, if you're having sex, you're not really married at all. :p

Hmm...socks and duct tape. ... this is getting weirder by the minute :p

Yet bizarrely erotic...:confused:

but why? I don't understand.........what if one of you just wears socks? or is it not okay for one of you to be completely nude? should they both wear socks?

I don't think this is the sort of thing you should try to use logic against.

eeww...just the thought of that... both wearing nothing but socks. Yuckyuckyuck :eek:

Yeah, socks in the bedroom should be outlawed, especially when worn with boxer shorts/ knickers.

but why? I don't understand.........what if one of you just wears socks? or is it not okay for one of you to be completely nude? should they both wear socks?Wearing socks during sex is so not done imo. Unless you're mostly clothed anyway.

Hmm...socks and duct tape. ... this is getting weirder by the minute :p
yeah, it's like I always say weird sex is good sex.................oh wait I never say that, well, I mean I just did, but other than that, well there was that one time.............oh nevermind

new plan socks, hats, and 3D glasses, although, well..........nevermind.

Yeah, socks in the bedroom should be outlawed, especially when worn with boxer shorts/ knickers.
I'm going to assume that that cleric wasn't talking about keeping the boxers on... so that problem's out of the way.
Leaves the outlawing of socks in the bedroom. We should start a petition.
It's an outrage how many people are commiting such dreadful crimes to humanity!

yeah, it's like I always say weird sex is good sex.................oh wait I never say that, well, I mean I just did, but other than that, well there was that one time.............oh nevermind

new plan socks, hats, and 3D glasses, although, well..........nevermind.
I do have to admit... your sexlife seems to be... interesting. :p

I am snatching that for my sig. :D

You're welcome

I guess that wearing a leather mask during sex would also count.

I guess that wearing a leather mask during sex would also count.
And nipple clamps.. y'know if you leave your clamps in the freezer for a while until they're nice and cold it makes them a lot easier to put them on!

I'm going to assume that that cleric wasn't talking about keeping the boxers on... so that problem's out of the way.
Leaves the outlawing of socks in the bedroom. We should start a petition.
It's an outrage how many people are commiting such dreadful crimes to humanity!

Well isn't that one of the reasons for leaving that little slit in the front open? It's possible!:p

And nipple clamps.. y'know if you leave your clamps in the freezer for a while until they're nice and cold it makes them a lot easier to put them on!

Oohhhhhhh! You know WAY too much about 'accessories'!

Hmn... can't be nude eh? Well... they could wrap MOST of their bodies in seran wrap. It'll be transparent, but they wouldn't be nude because they would have something on! :p

Well ... good thing most Muslims don't listen to that cleric any more than most Christians listen to Pat Robertson - who either has, or will very soon, say something similar.

Usually I'm pretty tolerant, but crap like this makes me just declare "Fuck religion!!!" :headbang:

Don't wear socks in bed. Wear gloves.

Usually I'm pretty tolerant, but crap like this makes me just declare "Fuck religion!!!" :headbang:

It's not the religion, it's just one guy.

It's not the religion, it's just one guy.Fine then, fuck that guy.. While completely naked, so you can be sure you're not married to him afterwards ;)

Fine then, fuck that guy.. While completely naked, so you can be sure you're not married to him afterwards ;)

Is he cute? Do we have a picture? I don't wanna fuck some ugly cleric.

But, then again, I've said it once, I'll say it here: There's nothing wrong with naked ... especially when it's naked for Justice.

Well ... good thing most Muslims don't listen to that cleric any more than most Christians listen to Pat Robertson - who either has, or will very soon, say something similar.
yeah, it really is. I mean Dobson has said somethings that are well, just as screwed up. I am glad that I don't subscribe to whatever he says, or my life would be very different. ;)

It's not the religion, it's just one guy.
I know. I wasn't thinking sensibly.

This is why Islam is like Old School Judaism(We're talking, like, Jesus era or so at the lightest) taken to the max with the legalism.

Yeah, socks in the bedroom should be outlawed, especially when worn with boxer shorts/ knickers.

This is absurd. What if they're the last garment in a Catholic Schoolgirl outfit? If you get rid of the socks then she isn't a naughty catholic schoolgirl anymore. She's just a naked chick. :(

Well ... good thing most Muslims don't listen to that cleric any more than most Christians listen to Pat Robertson - who either has, or will very soon, say something similar.

No sunni cleric or sunni group of India has still come against the fatwa on the Imrana case I cited above.

There are more than 100 million sunnis in India.

This is absurd. What if they're the last garment in a Catholic Schoolgirl outfit? If you get rid of the socks then she isn't a naughty catholic schoolgirl anymore. She's just a naked chick. :(
The solution to that is to also keep her shoes on.. then it's not ewww gross socks. It's ohhhh kinky. ;)

It probably best to invest in a french maid or nurse outfit, they have the little hats. So long as she wears the hat she's in character. They stay on surprisingly well and if they do come off easy just hold them on with hair clips.

Does a Condom count as clothing then?

What about playing chess during sex? Is that worse than playing chess without sex?

Silly clerics.

No sunni cleric or sunni group of India has still come against the fatwa on the Imrana case I cited above.

There are more than 100 million sunnis in India.

Meh. Most folks generally avoid conflict.

India .... I remember a story about a Hindu guru (well, self proclaimed anyway) claiming to his community women that his sperm was sacred and must be taken orally to understand his wisdom.

Semi-large court case involved.

The world is full of nuts. Out of 6 billion, even 750 million nuts wouldn't be surprising. They're not all Muslim, though.

The solution is for both people to wear hats.

This is absurd. What if they're the last garment in a Catholic Schoolgirl outfit? If you get rid of the socks then she isn't a naughty catholic schoolgirl anymore. She's just a naked chick. :(
obviously you haven't been looking at enough catholic schoolgirl pr0n. they normally just leave the skirt on, it' normally short enough so that it doesn't get in the way.
or so i've heard... :p