"Safe Storage" Laws not effective...
Kecibukia
09-01-2006, 20:41
Claims Toronto Inspector.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Article&cid=1136675412574&call_pageid=968332188492
"No amount of security is going to stop determined thieves from breaking into gun safes, says Inspector Dave McLeod, head of the Toronto police's urban organized crime squad."
It took two days for the criminals to break into his safes and they still have a warrant out for the owners arrest for "improper storage".
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1136589011741
"Working for two days, thieves used sledgehammers and blowtorches to blast open the 1,700-pound, concrete-and-steel Brinks safe. They made off with about 35 guns, including military assault rifles, machine guns, and semi-automatic pistols, a bullet pressing machine and dozens of rounds of ammunition."
And the calls for all-out bans continue.
As for the gathering of information. I posted several articles a while back on an MP's suspicions that the registry was being used to find owners by criminals and the RCMP wasn't doing anything about it.
Santa Barbara
09-01-2006, 20:47
"Working for two days, thieves used sledgehammers and blowtorches to blast open the 1,700-pound, concrete-and-steel Brinks safe.
Clearly, they just need to ban sledgehammers and blowtorches too!
DrunkenDove
09-01-2006, 20:50
And how long would it have taken for the criminals to steal the guns if they were just lying on a table? Ten to fifteen seconds?
Penetrobe
09-01-2006, 21:01
They got to work on that thing for 2 days? Where were the cops during all that? Sledge hammers against iron doors are not silent. If the police are right and they just broke down the door, then why wasn't it reported? They could have caught the theives before they made off with the guns.
Santa Barbara
09-01-2006, 21:05
They got to work on that thing for 2 days? Where were the cops during all that? Sledge hammers against iron doors are not silent. If the police are right and they just broke down the door, then why wasn't it reported? They could have caught the theives before they made off with the guns.
Cops, you say? There is no need for police in Canada. There is no crime in Canada. Canada is a peace-loving nation, it is the propaganda-spreading USA who loves their violence, their guns!
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No, seriously, those are some good questions.
DrunkenDove
09-01-2006, 21:23
No, seriously, those are some good questions.
Espically since it was in the middle of a housing appartment. Perhaps they used a soundproof tent?
Kecibukia
09-01-2006, 22:26
http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/issues/guninfo/2005/ffu_08_05.htm
"In the police reports filed by the victims, specific mention has been made about their suspicions that the thieves may be obtaining personal and private information about the types of firearms they own from the firearms registry."
The RCMP response:
“A search for the requested information was conducted on the basis of the information provided by you and we were unable to locate any record relevant to your request.”
And how long would it have taken for the criminals to steal the guns if they were just lying on a table? Ten to fifteen seconds?
Well, since I am not required by law to keep all my guns in a nice, central location in my home, I figure it would take them at least as long to FIND my guns... not to mention set off the anti-intruder measures that are just as hidden as the guns...
There is only one gun immediately accessible in my home - that it the one strapped to my person. You are not likely to find the others - not before I show up anyway.
DrunkenDove
09-01-2006, 22:43
Well, since I am not required by law to keep all my guns in a nice, central location in my home, I figure it would take them at least as long to FIND my guns...
It'd hardly that them two days, unless you live in a mansion.
It'd hardly that them two days, unless you live in a mansion.
Considering that they would have no way to know which wall(s) they are hidden in, they would have to virtually tear down the house - BEFORE getting to the locking devices.
A gun safe is just a nice, centralized target.
Frangland
09-01-2006, 22:48
They got to work on that thing for 2 days? Where were the cops during all that? Sledge hammers against iron doors are not silent. If the police are right and they just broke down the door, then why wasn't it reported? They could have caught the theives before they made off with the guns.
But the police are there on the spot to protect us from criminals... so we don't need guns!
If someone breaks into my house with a gun, police will be there immediately to protect me!
lmao
also lmao at the two-day thing... like they're going to have that much time before owners get home... or that they'd actually stick around that long.
Crook 1: "Let's see if we can bust this safe!"
Crook 2: (smacks the safe 20 times with a large hammer) "Nah, looks like a 2-day job. You think we've got that much time?"
Crook 3: "Nope, we'd better leave."
DrunkenDove
09-01-2006, 22:53
Considering that they would have no way to know which wall(s) they are hidden in, they would have to virtually tear down the house - BEFORE getting to the locking devices.
Wow. But I get the feeling that people who hide thier guns in walls are the exception, rather than the rule.
Kecibukia
09-01-2006, 22:59
Wow. But I get the feeling that people who hide thier guns in walls are the exception, rather than the rule.
Syniks is definately one of the hardcore.
The point of the matter is, though, that most "safe storage" laws are designed to make it prohibitively expensive to own even a single firearm (imagine a $1500 safe and a $100 handgun) and to make them worthless in the case of home invasion. Thereby killing two reasons as to why to own a firearm.
It's the same tactic as opposing hunting land ,etc., w/ less areas to hunt on, less people will do it and the less reason to own a rifle for it.
Wow. But I get the feeling that people who hide thier guns in walls are the exception, rather than the rule.
That's not my fault, and I should not be forced by law to do somthing less safe than what I am already doing - which is what "safe storage" laws do.
Storing guns in the floor works well too. Just try to find the 12"x12" hatch that is hidden under one of the floor tiles....
Syniks is definately one of the hardcore.
The point of the matter is, though, that most "safe storage" laws are designed to make it prohibitively expensive to own even a single firearm (imagine a $1500 safe and a $100 handgun) and to make them worthless in the case of home invasion. Thereby killing two reasons as to why to own a firearm.
It's the same tactic as opposing hunting land ,etc., w/ less areas to hunt on, less people will do it and the less reason to own a rifle for it.
Nah, my "hardcore" storage is for the stuff I don't want the Fed to find. If the BATFE wanted to search my house they'd find my guns pretty quickly... then again they can afford FLIR & Radio-wave scanners. :eek:
Now, the hardcore stuff would require a bit more tech than that... they would have to borrow some pretty neat hardware from the Oil Exploration industry and arial scan a pretty good chunk of Indiana before finding anything. :p