NationStates Jolt Archive

Note, this is not a complete and 100% researched thought, but I would like your help to make it just that.

For thousands of years, we have grouped and seperated ourselves. From North and south Egypt to North and south America, we have labeled and seperated certain human beings. Black and white, good and evil, Terrorists and Patriots, we have turned eachother into things we are not and forgotten that we all started as monkeys (or whatever your religion says, but I didn't start this discussion to start a flame war and persecusion) and most of us grew to what we are now together.

The earliest of this that I can fully understand was the creation of classes in ancient Egypt and the thought that there were two Egypts (North and South). Note that I don't believe that this is the Alpha of seperation, just the earliest that I can fully understand. To me it seems like we started thinking that some of are better, flawed or different in some way. Though the thought that some of us are different can be a good thing (like collecting statistics and such) it can also break the thought of helping others betters the excistence of humanity. Instead, we think things like helping my fellow whites will bring me fame amongst the people I accosiate with.

Though this thought was written down in a rush and this thought is not complete, I would like you all to think about this and help elaborate on it. Thank you for your time.

Difference leads to fear, and as you know: "Fear leads to anger, angers leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side"

Anyway, even before there were groups, individuals hated each others guts.
Which is why they formed groups in the first place. This way they could beat up the people they hated together (rather than risk going at it alone).

Hatred is as old as humanity, most likely. After all, outward appearance was the easiest way for a person or tribe to determine if someone was a friend or enemy especially in the earliest days when encounters between tribes were far and few between.

Lack of knowledge or understanding begets hate
In one way that which one does not understand begets fear and: "Fear leads to anger, angers leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side" (yes I used the same quote, but it fits okay?)

In another way, stupid people lack knowledge and I hate them :p

It's true. It's simply stupid human nature. We're petty, selfish creatures, who long to be among our "own kind." It's own of the few things that keeps humanity back from realising its ultimate potential.

It's true. It's simply stupid human nature.

Interestingly, there's no generic facial reaction for someone who haters someone else. Anger, fear and contempt all have one. Hate doesn't. Makes me think that hate may be less part of our nature than we think.

Interestingly, there's no generic facial reaction for someone who haters someone else. Anger, fear and contempt all have one. Hate doesn't. Makes me think that hate may be less part of our nature than we think.

Well... I think hate is pretty much a conglomerate of feelings, isn't it? Perhaps feelings like anger, fear, contempt... :p

Actually, I think I agree; 'hatred' is an english word. It's of a culture. Other cultures have words that get across a very _similar_ idea, but not exactly the same one. Equally, there'll be 'feelings' in other cultures that don't _exactly_ translate to an english equivilent. Hatred may not be a 'part of our nature as much as it is nurture (albeit a very widespread nurture), but I think anger, fear, and contempt are quite enough 'negative' universal feeling to be getting on with...:D

Seeing strangers as outsiders is universal, though, as is forming some sort of protective group against those same potentially dangerous outsiders. From there, fearing~holding in contempt~being angry at~hating the raiding stranger isn't a huge leap, is it... hatred might not be 'inbult' to our design, but it's (almost) inherent to the nature of our social groupings.

Interestingly, there's no generic facial reaction for someone who haters someone else. Anger, fear and contempt all have one. Hate doesn't. Makes me think that hate may be less part of our nature than we think.Or it's so much a part of our nature that we've quite rightly evolved to hide it.

[shrug] It's tribalism. To form stable, strongly loyal, effective social groups, the best strategy for humans was a natural assumption that all different groups or individuals are flawed, inferior, evil, untrustworthy, abnormal malefactors. It worked in the past, but now it causes things like the Holocaust, hate crimes, and anti-gay-marriage ammendments.

Note, this is not a complete and 100% researched thought, but I would like your help to make it just that.

For thousands of years, we have grouped and seperated ourselves. From North and south Egypt to North and south America, we have labeled and seperated certain human beings. Black and white, good and evil, Terrorists and Patriots, we have turned eachother into things we are not and forgotten that we all started as monkeys (or whatever your religion says, but I didn't start this discussion to start a flame war and persecusion) and most of us grew to what we are now together.

The earliest of this that I can fully understand was the creation of classes in ancient Egypt and the thought that there were two Egypts (North and South). Note that I don't believe that this is the Alpha of seperation, just the earliest that I can fully understand. To me it seems like we started thinking that some of are better, flawed or different in some way. Though the thought that some of us are different can be a good thing (like collecting statistics and such) it can also break the thought of helping others betters the excistence of humanity. Instead, we think things like helping my fellow whites will bring me fame amongst the people I accosiate with.

Though this thought was written down in a rush and this thought is not complete, I would like you all to think about this and help elaborate on it. Thank you for your time.

People become familiar with what they are raised in.

People are unfamiliar with things they are separated from.

People understand what is familiar.

People do not understand what is unfamiliar.

People fear what they do not understand.

People hate what they fear.

People hate those who hate them.

In summery, the lack of knowledge (and as such understanding) ultimately breeds hatred. Ignorance is to blame.

It should be noted that while hatred is a consequence of human nature, so is understanding. We (and most animals) are engrained with natural curiosity which drives us to understand the world around us and the people in it.

It’s our job to master our nature, and muster up enough control to balance the equation. Believe it or not, this is a Biblical concept.

Another prime reason for hatred is envy.
And of course there's justified resentment, not all hatred is without reason.

People hate, because hate makes them stronger....... give in to your hate. Its a survival technique. If you fear something, it can help you survive, fear leads to hate, if you hate you can kill and destroy, which can also help you survive. People are defined by their emotions, or as the Sith Code says: There is no peace, there is only Passion. Through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, throgh victory I will break my chains. (something like that)

People hate, because hate makes them stronger....... give in to your hate. Its a survival technique. If you fear something, it can help you survive, fear leads to hate, if you hate you can kill and destroy, which can also help you survive. People are defined by their emotions, or as the Sith Code says: There is no peace, there is only Passion. Through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, throgh victory I will break my chains. (something like that)
you are _such_ a nerd :p

Whether you believe the Bible or not, in the first book a brother killed his brother. Why? Jealousy. That's one reason. Secondly, most people are afraid of the unknown so they didn't let strangers into their group. Families banded together to form clans, and clans banned together to form tribes. Why? Protection from those unknown people who are not of our tribe and want to kill us for out food and cave.

Simply put I hate ______ because they are different and I'm jealous of what they have, or I fear they will take away from me what I have.

Difference leads to fear, and as you know: "Fear leads to anger, angers leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side"

Anyway, even before there were groups, individuals hated each others guts.
Which is why they formed groups in the first place. This way they could beat up the people they hated together (rather than risk going at it alone).
Um ... not quite accurate. Firstly, there has never been a time "before" groups. Hominids, and before them, simians, have always travelled in groups. And the primary function of the group began as a means of protection against predators, as a means of becoming more efficient at food gathering, and as an expression of the genetically hard-wired need to associate.

Another survival characteristic for humanity was an ability to generalize and categorize. This was necessary because the ability to lump aspects of your environment into categories helped avoid things in the category "predator" ( for example ), or to conclude that something belonged in the category "food."

It was only when this ability to categorize was trained on our own species that it became a problem. Concluding that "those who look different than us" means that they're a potential threat may have helped at times, but it also drove us apart.

Geography also plays a role in this. Mountains, oceans and deserts made natural barriers and what lay beyond, wwhen encountered was alien and frightening. Hell, even the next village over was quite a haul and everybody knows those river-dwellers are untrustworthy bastards and we forest-dwellers are perfectly justified in putting spears through their bellies before they try to steal our children. ...

Ain't life grand? :)

Um ... not quite accurate.Fine.. Let's then put it like this. Even inside a group (can) people hate each other. Possibly this can split the group into new groups. And so before those new groups existed people already hated each other.

In any case, discrimination is hardly the only reason why people might fear and hate each other.

First of all hate and violence yook place long before we began forming nations.

Secondly evidence of large-scale warfare has recently been discovered in Syria dating back to 8000 BC, so saying Eygpt was the origin of national hate is an anachronism.

Its also highly unlikely that, had "hate" (inter-national/tribal) originated in Eygpt it probably wouldn't have spread at the rate which it did, considering how isolated Eygpt was from the rest of the world.

I'm not a neurologist and I don't understand the physiocogical origin of hate. If I had to make a guess as to why we evolved the tendancy to hate and commit violence: We evolved hate as a way to root out the unfit among ourselves, thereby making us stronger. By always fighting amongst ourselves, the weak die before ever getting a chance to let the rest of the group down by not doing their part on a hunt and getting everyoen else killed; (or by producing similarily incompotent offspring).

First of all hate and violence yook place long before we began forming nations.

Secondly evidence of large-scale warfare has recently been discovered in Syria dating back to 8000 BC, so saying Eygpt was the origin of national hate is an anachronism.

Its also highly unlikely that, had "hate" (inter-national/tribal) originated in Eygpt it probably wouldn't have spread at the rate which it did, considering how isolated Eygpt was from the rest of the world.

I'm not a neurologist and I don't understand the physiocogical origin of hate. If I had to make a guess as to why we evolved the tendancy to hate and commit violence: We evolved hate as a way to root out the unfit among ourselves, thereby making us stronger. By always fighting amongst ourselves, the weak die before ever getting a chance to let the rest of the group down by not doing their part on a hunt and getting everyoen else killed; (or by producing similarily incompotent offspring).

Great points everyone, just remember that I was just talking about how far I have investigated, and I agree, it would be unlikely for Egypt to be the Alpha of hate. Thanks for contributing everyone!

Great points everyone, just remember that I was just talking about how far I have investigated, and I agree, it would be unlikely for Egypt to be the Alpha of hate. Thanks for contributing everyone!

as well as tribalism and geography which have been mentioned, perhaps individual psychology plays a role. we all have things about ourselves we hate which it is very useful to have an outgroup for, so that they can carry our projections (I will probably catch it for even saying this). Also the idea of upper and lower Egypt 5k years ago and the warring states in Syria earlier were underwritten by the way gods were imagined to have designed the universe. of course it's still pretty much that way today - gods or behaviourism or some such bunk

Note, this is not a complete and 100% researched thought, but I would like your help to make it just that.

For thousands of years, we have grouped and seperated ourselves. From North and south Egypt to North and south America, we have labeled and seperated certain human beings. Black and white, good and evil, Terrorists and Patriots, we have turned eachother into things we are not and forgotten that we all started as monkeys (or whatever your religion says, but I didn't start this discussion to start a flame war and persecusion) and most of us grew to what we are now together.

The earliest of this that I can fully understand was the creation of classes in ancient Egypt and the thought that there were two Egypts (North and South). Note that I don't believe that this is the Alpha of seperation, just the earliest that I can fully understand. To me it seems like we started thinking that some of are better, flawed or different in some way. Though the thought that some of us are different can be a good thing (like collecting statistics and such) it can also break the thought of helping others betters the excistence of humanity. Instead, we think things like helping my fellow whites will bring me fame amongst the people I accosiate with.

Though this thought was written down in a rush and this thought is not complete, I would like you all to think about this and help elaborate on it. Thank you for your time.
Well, that isn't where my hate comes from, if that was the sort of response that will help you. If not, ignore.

Note, this is not a complete and 100% researched thought, but I would like your help to make it just that.

For thousands of years, we have grouped and seperated ourselves. From North and south Egypt to North and south America, we have labeled and seperated certain human beings. Black and white, good and evil, Terrorists and Patriots, we have turned eachother into things we are not and forgotten that we all started as monkeys (or whatever your religion says, but I didn't start this discussion to start a flame war and persecusion) and most of us grew to what we are now together.

The earliest of this that I can fully understand was the creation of classes in ancient Egypt and the thought that there were two Egypts (North and South). Note that I don't believe that this is the Alpha of seperation, just the earliest that I can fully understand. To me it seems like we started thinking that some of are better, flawed or different in some way. Though the thought that some of us are different can be a good thing (like collecting statistics and such) it can also break the thought of helping others betters the excistence of humanity. Instead, we think things like helping my fellow whites will bring me fame amongst the people I accosiate with.

Though this thought was written down in a rush and this thought is not complete, I would like you all to think about this and help elaborate on it. Thank you for your time.

The classification into social classes that you are talking about, if anybody watched 'The Human Body' a few days ago, is what puts our species on top. Without a person thinking they're better than somebody else we wouldn't have made it this far.
Hatred isn't just in human nature either, you see it in monkeys as well. One wants to be the alpha male so he challenges the current leader. They fight, one wins. The one that loses makes it apparent that he has suffered a massive dent to his ego and exhibits behaviour towards the victor which we would liken to hatred.
We also do the same. But with our extraordinarily sophisticated brains, we are capable of hating in many more ways. Extreme fear of physical or emotional pain. Selfishness is also a cause. If two people want something really badly and only one can have it, the one that doesn't get it will despise, and eventually hate, the other person. Also selfishness, is when somebody doesn't like somebody elses personality. They expect everybody to act and think like them, or in a way that suits them, and when a person doesn't do that, they despise, and eventually hate, them for being different. Wanting to be the leader, or alpha male, that was mentioned earlier also comes under selfishness.
So I think it's apparent that the two most common causes of hatred are selfishness and fear.

I think 'hate' is a side effect arising from the intersection of a range of traits. As just one example, when one is an animal that 'cares' about how other animals of its kind 'feel' about it, aggression takes on whole new dimensions if one can generalise about the relationship between their own actions and feelings, extract a 'general rule' and apply it to the behaviour of others in order to induce the feelings/state of mind/intention of another being.

I'm sorry, but you are all wrong.

All hate comes from difference in penis size.

Hence why all women are always hating.

I'm sorry, but you are all wrong.

All hate comes from difference in penis size.

Hence why all women are always hating.
:confused:

:rolleyes:

People hate, because hate makes them stronger....... give in to your hate. Its a survival technique. If you fear something, it can help you survive, fear leads to hate, if you hate you can kill and destroy, which can also help you survive. People are defined by their emotions, or as the Sith Code says: There is no peace, there is only Passion. Through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, throgh victory I will break my chains. (something like that)

:fluffle: Not to be taken literally. Just an expression of undying love. :D ;)

Why? Jealousy.

Attachment...leads to jealousy. And that, a path to the Dark Side is, young Skywalker.

To be honest, I think that the primary source of hatred stems from the fact that though technically, we are advanced, humanity as a whole has still not left it's evolutionary hardwired roots behind. Emotions such as hatred, fear, desire, etc, etc stem from our basic roots when humans were still grunting and wielding clubs, the emotions being used to increase the odds of survival. This was particularly useful when humans were either isolated or moved in small groups, when it was common to be attacked by animals or other humans that said groups met. One could say it was the primal fear of the unknown that was responsible for all of this. And for that time period, the unknown typically meant danger, so it was useful to be fearful of it. Fear and hatred became interlinked since the fear was the precursor to the fight/flight reflex in most cases.

However, as civilization progressed, the basic instincts remained. The only difference is that they got names and were constrained...somewhat. As groupings began to appear on larger scales and differences appeared, these same primal fears manifested themselves and were further aggravated. It is one thing to meet someone of different skin color in passing when you were a nomad. But once you have a city and they have a city that basic fear starts to think big.

Of course much of this fear is pointless and generally a waste of energy now, but in order to overcome it, and the hatred that goes with it, that requires facing the fear and not lashing out at it. That practically goes against the inbred nature of humans to physically defeat and master the cause of fear, which is incidently, the unknown. However, all this does is simply establish an order system for which humans can elevate themselves above their fear so that it becomes possible to denigrate, and thus lessen the fear. It does not eliminate it entirely. Should the source somehow disrupt or break free from the system, the fear returns, thus creating a self sustaining cycle that humans generally don't break free from.