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Is Kim du Toit a guy or a girl? Kim is a girl's name in the West, however in Asia it's a guy's name. Gotta know.....

The Pussification of the Western Male
By: Kim du Toit
November 5, 2003

We have become a nation of women.

It wasn’t always this way, of course. There was a time when men put their signatures to a document, knowing full well that this single act would result in their execution if captured, and in the forfeiture of their property to the State. Their wives and children would be turned out by the soldiers, and their farms and businesses most probably given to someone who didn’t sign the document.

There was a time when men went to their certain death, with expressions like “You all can go to hell. I’m going to Texas.” (Davy Crockett, to the House of Representatives, before going to the Alamo.)

There was a time when men went to war, sometimes against their own families, so that other men could be free. And there was a time when men went to war because we recognized evil when we saw it, and knew that it had to be stamped out.

There was even a time when a President of the United States threatened to punch a man in the face and kick him in the balls, because the man had the temerity to say bad things about the President’s daughter’s singing.

We’re not like that anymore.

Now, little boys in grade school are suspended for playing cowboys and Indians, cops and crooks, and all the other familiar variations of “good guy vs. bad guy” that helped them learn, at an early age, what it was like to have decent men hunt you down, because you were a lawbreaker.

Now, men are taught that violence is bad—that when a thief breaks into your house, or threatens you in the street, that the proper way to deal with this is to “give him what he wants”, instead of taking a horsewhip to the rascal or shooting him dead where he stands.

Now, men’s fashion includes not a man dressed in a three-piece suit, but a tight sweater worn by a man with breasts.

Now, warning labels are indelibly etched into gun barrels, as though men have somehow forgotten that guns are dangerous things.

Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed.

And finally, our President, who happens to have been a qualified fighter pilot, lands on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit, and is immediately dismissed with words like “swaggering”, “macho” and the favorite epithet of Euro girly-men, “cowboy”. Of course he was bound to get that reaction—and most especially from the Press in Europe, because the process of male pussification Over There is almost complete.

How did we get to this?

In the first instance, what we have to understand is that America is first and foremost, a culture dominated by one figure: Mother. It wasn’t always so: there was a time when it was Father who ruled the home, worked at his job, and voted.

But in the twentieth century, women became more and more involved in the body politic, and in industry, and in the media—and mostly, this has not been a good thing. When women got the vote, it was inevitable that government was going to become more powerful, more intrusive, and more “protective” (ie. more coddling), because women are hard-wired to treasure security more than uncertainty and danger. It was therefore inevitable that their feminine influence on politics was going to emphasize (lowercase “s”) social security.

I am aware of the fury that this statement is going to arouse, and I don’t care a fig.

What I care about is the fact that since the beginning of the twentieth century, there has been a concerted campaign to denigrate men, to reduce them to figures of fun, and to render them impotent, figuratively speaking.

I’m going to illustrate this by talking about TV, because TV is a reliable barometer of our culture.

In the 1950s, the TV Dad was seen as the lovable goofball—perhaps the beginning of the trend—BUT he was still the one who brought home the bacon, and was the main source of discipline (think of the line: “Wait until your father gets home!”).

From that, we went to this: the Cheerios TV ad.

Now, for those who haven’t seen this piece of shit, I’m going to go over it, from memory, because it epitomizes everything I hate about the campaign to pussify men. The scene opens at the morning breakfast table, where the two kids are sitting with Dad at the table, while Mom prepares stuff on the kitchen counter. The dialogue goes something like this:

Little girl (note, not little boy): Daddy, why do we eat Cheerios?
Dad: Because they contain fiber, and all sorts of stuff that’s good for the heart. I eat it now, because of that.
LG: Did you always eat stuff that was bad for your heart, Daddy?
Dad (humorously): I did, until I met your mother.
Mother (not humorously): Daddy did a lot of stupid things before he met your mother.

Now, every time I see that TV ad, I have to be restrained from shooting the TV with a .45 Colt. If you want a microcosm of how men have become less than men, this is the perfect example.

What Dad should have replied to Mommy’s little dig: Yes, Sally, that’s true: I did do a lot of stupid things before I met your mother. I even slept with your Aunt Ruth a few times, before I met your mother.

That’s what I would have said, anyway, if my wife had ever attempted to castrate me in front of the kids like that.

But that’s not what men do, of course. What this guy is going to do is smile ruefully, finish his cereal, and then go and fuck his secretary, who doesn’t try to cut his balls off on a daily basis. Then, when the affair is discovered, people are going to rally around the castrating bitch called his wife, and call him all sorts of names. He’ll lose custody of his kids, and they will be brought up by our ultimate modern-day figure of sympathy: The Single Mom.

You know what? Some women deserve to be single moms.

When I first started this website, I think my primary aim was to blow off steam at the stupidity of our society.

Because I have fairly set views on what constitutes right and wrong, I have no difficulty in calling Bill Clinton, for example, a fucking liar and hypocrite.

But most of all, I do this website because I love being a man. Amongst other things, I talk about guns, self-defense, politics, beautiful women, sports, warfare, hunting, and power tools—all the things that being a man entails. All this stuff gives me pleasure.

And it doesn’t take much to see when all the things I love are being threatened: for instance, when Tim Allen’s excellent comedy routine on being a man is reduced to a fucking sitcom called Home Improvement. The show should have been called Man Improvement, because that’s what every single plotline entailed: turning a man into a “better” person, instead of just leaving him alone to work on restoring the vintage sports car in his garage. I stopped watching the show after about four episodes.

(”The Man Show” was better, at least for the first season—men leering at chicks, men fucking around with ridiculous games like “pin the bra on the boobies”, men having beer-drinking competitions, and women on trampolines. Excellent stuff, only not strong enough. I don’t watch it anymore, either, because it’s plain that the idea has been subverted by girly-men, and turned into a parody of itself.)

Finally, we come to the TV show which to my mind epitomizes everything bad about what we have become: Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Playing on the homo Bravo Channel, this piece of excrement has taken over the popular culture by storm (and so far, the only counter has been the wonderful South Park episode which took it apart for the bullshit it is).

I’m sorry, but the premise of the show nauseates me. A bunch of homosexuals trying to “improve” ordinary men into something “better” (ie. more acceptable to women): changing the guy’s clothes, his home decor, his music—for fuck’s sake, what kind of girly-man would allow these simpering butt-bandits to change his life around?

Yes, the men are, by and large, slobs. Big fucking deal. Last time I looked, that’s normal. Men are slobs, and that only changes when women try to civilize them by marriage. That’s the natural order of things.

You know the definition of homosexual men we used in Chicago? “Men with small dogs who own very tidy apartments.”

Real men, on the other hand, have big fucking mean-ass dogs: Rhodesian ridgebacks, bull terriers and Rottweilers, or else working dogs like pointers or retrievers which go hunting with them and slobber all over the furniture.

Women own lapdogs.

Which is why women are trying to get dog-fighting and cock-fighting banned—they’d ban boxing too, if they could—because it’s “mean and cruel”. No shit, Shirley. Hell, I don’t like the idea of fighting dogs, either, but I don’t have a problem with men who do. Dogs and cocks fight. So do men. No wonder we have an affinity for it.

My website has become fairly popular with men, and in the beginning, this really surprised me, because I didn’t think I was doing anything special.

That’s not what I think now. I must have had well over five thousand men write to me to say stuff like “Yes! I agree! I was so angry when I read about [insert atrocity of choice], but I thought I was the only one.”

No, you’re not alone, my friends, and nor am I.

Out there, there is a huge number of men who are sick of it. We’re sick of being made figures of fun and ridicule; we’re sick of having girly-men like journalists, advertising agency execs and movie stars decide on “what is a man”; we’re sick of women treating us like children, and we’re really fucking sick of girly-men politicians who pander to women by passing an ever-increasing raft of Nanny laws and regulations (the legal equivalent of public-school Ritalin), which prevent us from hunting, racing our cars and motorcycles, smoking, flirting with women at the office, getting into fistfights over women, shooting criminals and doing all the fine things which being a man entails.

When Annika Sorenstam was allowed to play in that tournament on the men’s PGA tour, all the men should have refused to play—Vijay Singh was the only one with balls to stand up for a principle, and he was absolutely excoriated for being a “chauvinist”. Bullshit. He wasn’t a chauvinist, he was being a man. All the rest of the players—Woods, Mickelson, the lot—are girls by comparison. And, needless to say, Vijay isn’t an American, nor a European, which is probably why he still has a pair hanging between his legs, and they’re not hanging on the wall as his wife’s trophy.

Fuck this, I’m sick of it.

I don’t see why I should put up with this bullshit any longer—hell, I don’t see why any man should put up with this bullshit any longer.

I don’t see why men should have become feminized, except that we allowed it to happen—and you know why we let it happen? Because it’s goddamned easier to do so. Unfortunately, we’ve allowed it to go too far, and our maleness has become too pussified for words.

At this point, I could have gone two ways: the first would be to say, “…and I don’t know if we’ll get it back. The process has become too entrenched, the cultural zeitgeist of men as girls has become part of the social fabric, and there’s not much we can do about it.”

But I’m not going to do that. To quote John Belushi (who was, incidentally, a real man and not a fucking woman): “Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”

Well, I’m not going to quit. Fuck that. One of the characteristics of the non-pussified man (and this should strike fear into the hearts of women and girly-men everywhere) is that he never quits just because the odds seem overwhelming. Omaha Beach, guys.

I want a real man as President—not Al Gore, who had to hire a consultant to show him how to be an Alpha male, and french-kiss his wife on live TV to “prove” to the world that he was a man, when we all knew that real men don’t have to do that shit.

And I want the Real Man President to surround himself with other Real Men, like Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, and yes, Rice (who is more of a Real Man than those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta).

I want our government to be more like Dad—kind, helpful, but not afraid to punish us when we fuck up, instead of helping us excuse our actions.

I want our government of real men to start rolling back the Nanny State, in all its horrible manifestations of over-protectiveness, intrusiveness and “Mommy Knows Best What’s Good For You” regulations.

I want our culture to become more male—and not the satirical kind of male, like The Man Show, or the cartoonish figures of Stallone, Van Damme or Schwartzenegger. (Note to the Hollywood execs: We absolutely fucking loathe chick movies about feelings and relationships and all that feminine jive. We want more John Waynes, Robert Mitchums, Bruce Willises, and Clint Eastwoods. Never mind that it’s simplistic— we like simple, we are simple, we are men—our lives are uncomplicated, and we like it that way. We Were Soldiers was a great movie, and you know why? Because you could have cut out all the female parts, and it still would have been a great movie, because it was about Real Men. Try cutting out all the female parts in a Woody Allen movie—you’d end up with the opening and closing credits.)

I want our literature to become more male, less female. Men shouldn’t buy “self-help” books unless the subject matter is car maintenance, golf swing improvement or how to disassemble a fucking Browning BAR. We don’t improve ourselves, we improve our stuff.

And finally, I want men everywhere to going back to being Real Men. To open doors for women, to drive fast cars, to smoke cigars after a meal, to get drunk occasionally and, in the words of Col. Jeff Cooper, one of the last of the Real Men: “to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.”

In every sense of the word. We know what the word “is” means.

Because that’s all that being a Real Man involves. You don’t have to become a fucking cartoon male, either: I’m not going back to stoning women for adultery like those Muslim assholes do, nor am I suggesting we support that perversion of being a Real Man, gangsta rap artists (those fucking pussies—they wouldn’t last thirty seconds against a couple of genuine tough guys that I know).

Speaking of rap music, do you want to know why more White boys buy that crap than Black boys do? You know why rape is such a problem on college campuses? Why binge drinking is a problem among college freshmen?

It’s a reaction: a reaction against being pussified. And I understand it, completely. Young males are aggressive, they do fight amongst themselves, they are destructive, and all this does happen for a purpose.

Because only the strong men propagate.

And women know it. You want to know why I know this to be true? Because powerful men still attract women. Women, even liberal women, swooned over George Bush in a naval aviator’s uniform. Donald Trump still gets access to some of the most beautiful pussy available, despite looking like a medieval gargoyle. Donald Rumsfeld, if he wanted to, could fuck 90% of all women over 50 if he wanted to, and a goodly portion of younger ones too.

And he won’t. Because Rummy’s been married to the same woman for fifty years, and he wouldn’t toss that away for a quickie. He’s a Real Man. No wonder the Euros hate and fear him.

We’d better get more like him, we’d better become more like him, because if we don’t, men will become a footnote to history.

www.pirate-king.com/episode/1062

^^^

THAT needed to be said.

i cant help but giggle when i read the title.

and that may be the longest post i've ever seen. maybe. ...

Anyone who fights a war between Men and Women is an idiot.

I don't know whether to cry, applaud, or argue.

I'll just cry while clapping and shouting at you all at the same time.

He’s a Real Man. No wonder the Euros hate and fear him.I don't hate, nor fear him.
And I actually understood what he meant with his "there are known knowns and unknown knows <etc>" Which makes perfect sense, despite nobody getting it.

As for the rest. Meh.
Nothing wrong with some pussy ;) Besides which we really don't need any mroe warmongers, humanity has had enough of them. Just keep a few in cold storage for when the aliens invaded, and until then let the women rule the world.

abrasive, but mostly true IMHO.

"Kim" is the abbreviation for "Kimberly" in the West.

"Kim" is a Male Korean Name in Asia.

Appears to be a she and not bad looking I might add.....

http://www.theothersideofkim.com/

I'm not surprised she's good-looking. Her last name is French, afterall.

While I on a very few points agree, I have to ask:

Was this a joke? I mean seriously, what a load of [admittedly amusing] crap. It reads like some confused, future-shocked, aggressively/stubbornly reactionary old man bitching about the passing of the "good 'ol days" when men were "real men" who married off their daughters at 12 and beat their sons for reading instead of fighting, women were real women who were assumed to be small-brained weaklings and who weren't allowed to work or vote, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. (Requiescat in pace, Douglas Adams)

Let me guess: Assuming this isn't a joke, you smoke, drink, swear, attend church religously (pun intended), hunt recreationally, are homophobic racist and sexist (well, no guessing needed there), your wife stays at home and cooks, you browbeat your son (if you have one) for not making the football team, ignore your daughter except to expect her to be like a "good woman, are a far-right social-conservative Republican, drive a pickup truck or an SUV, work out, and made, max, Bs and were on the football team in school. Sound right? My only reaction is pity, like for the dinosaurs....

There was even a time when a President of the United States threatened to punch a man in the face and kick him in the balls, because the man had the temerity to say bad things about the President’s daughter’s singing.
And this is an admirable thing in a country that claims to promote freedom of speech?

I'm not surprised she's good-looking. Her last name is French, afterall.

Actually I should learn to read. Those aren't pictures of the author.

sorry about that.....

Even if this isn't a very poor joke, it's still the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read.

Actually I should learn to read. Those aren't pictures of the author.
I know, I know. I was just desperate to put the point about her French family somewhere.

:rolleyes:

Wow...

Apparently some people really DO have no more goal than to be an ape. Greater intelligence and civilization be damned, I want to be a "man"! :rolleyes:

I dunno about anyone else, but that entire article sounded more childish and petulant than "Manly" (as if there were really such a thing).

I like the idea of masculizing America, but some of what you said bothers me.
Why should real men support animal-fighting. For one thing, it's animal abuse. For another thing, it seems like a pussy thing to do-let others fight for you. The allies didn't cripple fascism by asking Hitler to stop bombing London. No. The Soviets sent wave after wave of troops after the pawns of the Nazi madman. America bombed the hell out of Germany. Brittian was strong enough, not only to survive near-destruction, but also to return a favor. The Japanese fought to the death. They were turned into savages by very evil leaders who brainwashed them into believing that every non-Japanese person was out to kill their families. They used the very, very cheap"shoot, then run and hide, then shoot again" tactic and they still couldn't stop the Americans. Heck, it took the Japanese a long time to take out the vastly out-numbered American forces in a certain island(forgot its name, but it was "the alamo of the Pacific"). It was man vs. man fighting. Niether side was French, except for an obvious portian of the allies(the french part).

real men:
protect
punish and reward
don't stop until the job's done
work 9-5 on weekdays
aren't afraid to get dirty...or bloody.

And this is an admirable thing in a country that claims to promote freedom of speech?


He was using his Freedom of Expression to retort, not passing a law to throw the man in jail.

How long did it take to write that post... What a waste of time and effort.

real men:
protect
punish and reward
don't stop until the job's done
work 9-5 on weekdays
aren't afraid to get dirty...or bloody.

I like that

They used the very, very cheap"shoot, then run and hide, then shoot again" tactic and they still couldn't stop the Americans.
Aaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

An American complaining about "cheap" fighting in WWII. Priceless.

Let me give you one example of what I mean: SS-Panzerlehrdivision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_Lehr_Division#The_Caen_Battles).

Ehh, I agree we are getting softer, but this post way over-does it.

The Pussification of America:

Bush defenders are willing allow the executive branch unchecked spying ability on American citizens in America, detention without due process and secret worldwide prisons because they fear the islamists will take over America. The governement will protect us if we allow them to take away our protections from the government.

Dressing up like a flyboy, talking big, such as "You're either with us or against us." or "Bring 'em on." playing on the fears of Americans and being to afraid to ask the average American to sacrifice money and/or convenience in the name of the war effort and keeping our country out of dangerous international debt (record borrowing from other countries, remember? More than all previous Presidents combined,) is not non-pussy behavior. In fact, It's quite the opposite.

Real men (and women,) don't need to play dress up to be tough. Real men gain respect from other, not lose respect, as America has done with regards to the rest of the world.

real men:
protect
punish and reward
don't stop until the job's done
work 9-5 on weekdays
aren't afraid to get dirty...or bloody.

Deciding what 'manly' depends on what your society's like, what your culture is. One country's definition of ideal manliness will differ from another - pretty obvious really.

But cultures aren't static, they change over time; sometimes changing quicker, sometimes slower, but always changing. Basing your definition of manliness (or any other socially constructed thing) _today_ on what _you_ think 'it was really like' 50 or a 100 years ago is pretty futile; maybe even counter productive, repressive. The situation and context that gave rise to that earlier definition of xyz doesn't exist anymore.

He was using his Freedom of Expression to retort, not passing a law to throw the man in jail.
Oh, sorry, I didn't realise threats of violence were protected under freedom of expression laws.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realise threats of violence were protected under freedom of expression laws.


It obviously wasn't a threat.

real men:
protect
punish and reward
don't stop until the job's done
work 9-5 on weekdays
aren't afraid to get dirty...or bloody.

How very odd.

By that defintion, I am not a real man. Funny, that.

My turn!

Real Men:
Listen and Understand.
Care for their children. (if they have them)
Provide. (Not just through finances. A man is not a wallet. Real men cook and sew.)
Sustain.
Show compassion, regardless.
Can tell you not only the standard engine specs on the 1969 Camaro SS, but can sing the aria from Rigoletto.
Dance.

But, hey ... to each their own, right?

How very odd.

By that defintion, I am not a real man. Funny, that.

My turn!

Real Men:
Listen and Understand.
Care for their children. (if they have them)
Provide. (Not just through finances. A man is not a wallet. Real men cook and sew.)
Sustain.
Show compassion, regardless.
Can tell you not only the standard engine specs on the 1969 Camaro SS, but can sing the aria from Rigoletto.
Dance.

But, hey ... to each their own, right?


*nod*

right on!

While I on a very few points agree, I have to ask:

Was this a joke? I mean seriously, what a load of [admittedly amusing] crap. It reads like some confused, future-shocked, aggressively/stubbornly reactionary old man bitching about the passing of the "good 'ol days" when men were "real men" who married off their daughters at 12 and beat their sons for reading instead of fighting, women were real women who were assumed to be small-brained weaklings and who weren't allowed to work or vote, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. (Requiescat in pace, Douglas Adams)

Let me guess: Assuming this isn't a joke, you smoke, drink, swear, attend church religously (pun intended), hunt recreationally, are homophobic racist and sexist (well, no guessing needed there), your wife stays at home and cooks, you browbeat your son (if you have one) for not making the football team, ignore your daughter except to expect her to be like a "good woman, are a far-right social-conservative Republican, drive a pickup truck or an SUV, work out, and made, max, Bs and were on the football team in school. Sound right? My only reaction is pity, like for the dinosaurs....

Nope. Guess, again. Please find somewhere to suffer.
Thank you, Kim du Toit.
Time to get fucked up and smack a passerby.

I know, I know. I was just desperate to put the point about her French family somewhere.

Good grief, the only French person to show balls lives in America and is a woman!

:D

Now, if her family is like her, there might be chances for saving France...

Nope. Guess, again. Please find somewhere to suffer.
Thank you, Kim du Toit.
Time to get fucked up and smack a passerby.

Way to _not_ reinforce a stereotype, Mister Freudo...

Elgesh']Way to _not_ reinforce a stereotype, Mister Freudo...

I think his intention was irony, but I'm not sure.

I agree with most of the original post. :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang:

The people who are getting angry at the original post are either female or men who are kept on a very short leash by their wives/girlfriends. :fluffle:

someone shoulda told kim rule #1

real men don't whine.

I agree with most of the original post. :sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang:

The people who are getting angry at the original post are either female or men who are kept on a very short leash by their wives/girlfriends. :fluffle:

Judging by the content here your use of smilies, I'd say you are around 14?

Something is definitely wrong with this guy. He complains about American men being sissies but I never saw a man whine that long before:D I told you every society has its fanatics. You said black people don't have guts, they're pussies right, well lets find out.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/pizzafight.wmv (I feel sorry for the dude, but I wish that was you)

If the author was indeed a woman, that's just sad. Am I the only one who caught the part where he or she basically said women shouldn't be allowed to vote?

If the author was a man, however, I gotta say, seemed pretty hypocritical. After all, he's defining "real men" by the stereotypical definitions. Therefore, he, having a woman's name, is not a "real man"

Nope. Guess, again. Please find somewhere to suffer.
Thank you, Kim du Toit.
Time to get fucked up and smack a passerby.

[cocks his head and looks at post sideways]

Was that sarcasm, irony, or were you actually serious?

Behind all the BS and swagger, there is a great deal of truth to much of what the writer says. Many times on here, I have thanked my lucky stars to have grown up before most of this crap was shovelled onto men. Thank you for posting the article.

i don't feel like reading the whole thing, but it sounds an awful lot like Chuck Palahniuk (author of Fight Club, etc).

Judging by the content here your use of smilies, I'd say you are around 14?

13. Take 21 as a starting age and subtract the number of smilies, with the n00b smilies worth 2 years each. ;)

I like the idea of masculizing America, but some of what you said bothers me.
Why should real men support animal-fighting. For one thing, it's animal abuse. For another thing, it seems like a pussy thing to do-let others fight for you. The allies didn't cripple fascism by asking Hitler to stop bombing London. No. The Soviets sent wave after wave of troops after the pawns of the Nazi madman. America bombed the hell out of Germany. Brittian was strong enough, not only to survive near-destruction, but also to return a favor. The Japanese fought to the death. They were turned into savages by very evil leaders who brainwashed them into believing that every non-Japanese person was out to kill their families. They used the very, very cheap"shoot, then run and hide, then shoot again" tactic and they still couldn't stop the Americans. Heck, it took the Japanese a long time to take out the vastly out-numbered American forces in a certain island(forgot its name, but it was "the alamo of the Pacific"). It was man vs. man fighting. Niether side was French, except for an obvious portian of the allies(the french part).
Ever hear the word "hyperbole?"

you can't ask for your balls back



think about it. its like a zen koan.

The Pussification of America:

Bush defenders are willing allow the executive branch unchecked spying ability on American citizens in America, detention without due process and secret worldwide prisons because they fear the islamists will take over America. The governement will protect us if we allow them to take away our protections from the government.

Dressing up like a flyboy, talking big, such as "You're either with us or against us." or "Bring 'em on." playing on the fears of Americans and being to afraid to ask the average American to sacrifice money and/or convenience in the name of the war effort and keeping our country out of dangerous international debt (record borrowing from other countries, remember? More than all previous Presidents combined,) is not non-pussy behavior. In fact, It's quite the opposite.

Real men (and women,) don't need to play dress up to be tough. Real men gain respect from other, not lose respect, as America has done with regards to the rest of the world.

Agreed. Personally, I think that the guys throwing "Real men... (beat their wives/kill all a-rabs/slaughter animals with their bare hands)", around are NOT the real men. If you really have to wear cowboy boots to feel manly, I'd say you're much less secure in your sexuality than all of us so-called "girly men". Personally, I don't need to act violent and ignorant to feel macho, and I think it's rather pathetic that some men do.

Just my $.02.

real men:
protect
punish and reward
don't stop until the job's done
work 9-5 on weekdays
aren't afraid to get dirty...or bloody.
Though I don't agree with the first giant paragraph that started this thread, I can agree on most of those. But I work the midnight shift.:cool:

Question: What was the point of that long convoluted rant?

Sorry 'pussification of America"? please, men always talk louder and prouder than what they really can do.

The only people who feel threatened by this change are those whose first of all think that they MUST live up to some masculine stereotype, and secondly, they must some how stamp their mark on the land as if to say, "I am Jim! the male! I am a burley masculine man with balls the size of cocnuts and a shaft that would make canon appear small! and with my man hood, I shall roam the suburbs, spreading my wild oats! and letting all those near me realises that I am Jim! the Alpha Male!"

ok boys and girls history lesson, that island and thaty "pussy" tactic.. the Island was saipan. Over 250 000 americans landed their and there were only 25 000 japanese defending their families. on iwo jima there were 15 000 japanese, and they used fortifications and superior battle field training that WE use to this day to fight the americans to a standstill that almost broke the back ofthe war. Sorry guys and uhh the civil war was NOT about freeing slaves....it was about not allowing the Confederates to take there RIGHT in the constition, to leave the nation because the Republicans did not want them to go.



Therefore the Union government murdered thousands of people and sacrificed hundreds of thousands of their own people to win a war against an enemy they couldnt beat ina fair fight, much like in the plains war. Now here is the Plains war. The first one was in the 1840's and the union got its ass handed to it so badly they agreed to never come back. Now when they did come back to try to unify amerrca after the civil war by moving everyone to the west, they once again....drumroll please...got their asses kicked. The only reason the Natives lost was well...smallpox infected blanket and the slaughter of the buffalo.Its rather easy to win a war if you kill all of them with disease and starvation before you ever fight. Now lets look at the Alamo.



Hmmm a bunch of criminals and bandits move in to mexican territory say "oh i like it here" move in and start killing women and children and everyone else they could. Then when 100 of them get caught in the alamo they well...all died and were murdered for the murders they did. Lets look at some facts. Davey crockett
Captured by the Mexicans wearing a womans dress pretending to be a woman, because the mexicans wouldnt kill the women and children like the Texans would..they found him out and killed the lying cheating coward.
Ohh another great Hero of the Alamo!! john Bowie!!! the inventor of the bowie knife, designed SPECIFICALLY to slice through the smaller necks of ....women and...children. Not to fight but to murder and guess what, they are pretty sure he murdered hundreds of women and children mainly natives and mexican, but some whites..."for kicks". The Texans in fact were losing the war they started against mexico so horrifically badly, that they needed the union to come win it for them..and they barely did. those who died at the Alamo. Heroes? no..Pussies? fuck yeah.



Being pussified? i dont think so, not at all in fact that ritalin and the like doesnt happen in Canada, and it only happens in...CaliFORnia where everyone is insane, sunbaked and on drugs anyways lol no offense but alot of legislators there are nuts in the head. This sort of thing DOES NOT happen anywhere else and by the way maybe the reason they got in trouble for playing cowboys and indians is the racist connotation hmmm? Now here is my FAVOURITE school time lie. The Civil war was fought for freedom. Want to know something funny...let me explain the real history.

The Emancipation proclamation when first signed was signed after the south stated that all slaves who helped in the war effort would be freed as well as their families. The Emancipation proclamation did not extend to Slaves in the Union but only in the Confederacy, however it was legislated by lincoln. The Emancipation proclamation only extended to the Northern states after Genereal Sherman and grant having wasted so many soldiers the war couldnt continue, in an attempt to get at as many farms and villages and cities as possible, could get reinforcements.



See the Southerners well if you read the battles only really lost one battle, the last one. This was because they were starving battle fatigued and unable to call upon reinforcements. So were the union, but they had just gotten some fresh gullible irish recruits, and this turned the tide, admittedly the union did get an magnificent 1-9 kill ration at gettysburg and just about all the other battles! Sure the South did things other then form up in ranks and charge at gun lines and entrenchments, but they were bad right. After all the slaves were treated better in the south then they were after the war in the north. In fact the Racism to this day comes from the poor propaganda about the fight for "freedom" this split the south and turned the Southerners from smugly superior to totally racist. This is true. In fact the KKK was originally formed to kill White yankees who stole land from women whos husbands died in the war, carpetbaggers they called them. The Real reason for the war..power its that simple.

now about the war for independence roflmao now thats a doozy. 100% orchestrated by one Benjamin Franklin, newspaper owner and landowner. HE wanted native land, and the british respected them as a nation and said :"no you cant kill them for no reason and steal their land" He orchestrated the invasion of Quebeq for the same reasons, but when they werent allowed to to kill the Quebeqois and take their land...he got mad. The Taxes...oh the "horrible" taxes....HAH. ITs a little known fact that those in the colonies paid FAR FAR less taxes then people in britain.


Now Benjamin Franklin then proceeded to spin doctor the legislature of the 13 colonies in to sdeclaring independence and war, by claiming an attack was imminent. He also hired a group of thugs, organised criminals to attack a british ship carrying tea dressed as natives, he didnt want the REvolutionary war....he wanted the NATIVE LAND. But happily he had his way as he became the true power behind a fledgeling nation. The Loyalists who fled were only saved from slaughter by the ignorant minute men by the bravery of one Benedict Arnold, who after recieving orders to level the Cannons of West point against the fleeing columns of civilians, handed the fort over to the british in good conscience. Now another funny story..the worst defeat the Minute men faced was against nearly 100 almost unarmed fleeing loyalists who they set upon trying to...thats right...slaughter.

Now lets pan forward to the war of 1812 5000 americans invaded upper canada, whose capital city had a population of...700. Now this is funny. During the war america managed to capture a few forts and montreal, which was won back in a large battle. However the british captured the state of michigan. Canada eventually gave it back in return for the three forts, and to be nice because General brock, who promised michigan to the natives as their own state, was killed in battle leading his men from the front. General "Zeb" though, the american general, was killed by british marines launching a daring raid against their rear. Strange how the british general died leading his men from the front and the american one died at the rear. I guess thats where brave men lead from. At the end of the war the colonies with a population of almost 2 million fighting against the british in upper canada who had a population of maybe 300 000, managed to win a hefty loss. The british even burned down the white house and all the government buildings, with the help of the american people, forcing the american government to move the white house almost 800 miles east. Yup Americans were always SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRAVE!!!!!!! like OMFG WTF FFS why cant we all be that brave!!! i mean if bravery is stealing looting, losing wars anyone else would have won, and having their most celebrated victories against those who literally could not fight back. And to let you know the British did fight the Vietnamese and win, they fought them in malaya when they were still the Viet Min, they fought them the right way. With truth duty and valour. That is everything america is not, honest, hardworking and proud of it, and brave despite all else. this is gonna make people mad but i dont care i am a history majour and i cant STAND seeing such innacurate bull posted. BTW i dont hate americans far from it, my GF is american. Whats hated are the bad americans, the ones that give the good honest loyal and brave americans an awful name. Americans like the well if you dont mind me saying ignorant, arrogant person who wrote this post. You think america is being pussified...its being civilised..though i dont agree with ritalin for ANY child, your pharmaceutical companies do..after all its more money for them and in america nothing is about bravery honour duty or loyalty its about the bottom line...cold hard cash..look at the iraq war...haliburton stole 400 billion dollars from the pentagon..Gasoline that was never delivered. thats the Truth about America.

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Is Kim du Toit a guy or a girl? Kim is a girl's name in the West, however in Asia it's a guy's name. Gotta know.....

The Pussification of the Western Male
By: Kim du Toit
November 5, 2003

We have become a nation of women.

It wasn’t always this way, of course. There was a time when men put their signatures to a document, knowing full well that this single act would result in their execution if captured, and in the forfeiture of their property to the State. Their wives and children would be turned out by the soldiers, and their farms and businesses most probably given to someone who didn’t sign the document.

There was a time when men went to their certain death, with expressions like “You all can go to hell. I’m going to Texas.” (Davy Crockett, to the House of Representatives, before going to the Alamo.)

There was a time when men went to war, sometimes against their own families, so that other men could be free. And there was a time when men went to war because we recognized evil when we saw it, and knew that it had to be stamped out.

There was even a time when a President of the United States threatened to punch a man in the face and kick him in the balls, because the man had the temerity to say bad things about the President’s daughter’s singing.

We’re not like that anymore.

Now, little boys in grade school are suspended for playing cowboys and Indians, cops and crooks, and all the other familiar variations of “good guy vs. bad guy” that helped them learn, at an early age, what it was like to have decent men hunt you down, because you were a lawbreaker.

Now, men are taught that violence is bad—that when a thief breaks into your house, or threatens you in the street, that the proper way to deal with this is to “give him what he wants”, instead of taking a horsewhip to the rascal or shooting him dead where he stands.

Now, men’s fashion includes not a man dressed in a three-piece suit, but a tight sweater worn by a man with breasts.

Now, warning labels are indelibly etched into gun barrels, as though men have somehow forgotten that guns are dangerous things.

Now, men are given Ritalin as little boys, so that their natural aggressiveness, curiosity and restlessness can be controlled, instead of nurtured and directed.

And finally, our President, who happens to have been a qualified fighter pilot, lands on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit, and is immediately dismissed with words like “swaggering”, “macho” and the favorite epithet of Euro girly-men, “cowboy”. Of course he was bound to get that reaction—and most especially from the Press in Europe, because the process of male pussification Over There is almost complete.

How did we get to this?

In the first instance, what we have to understand is that America is first and foremost, a culture dominated by one figure: Mother. It wasn’t always so: there was a time when it was Father who ruled the home, worked at his job, and voted.

But in the twentieth century, women became more and more involved in the body politic, and in industry, and in the media—and mostly, this has not been a good thing. When women got the vote, it was inevitable that government was going to become more powerful, more intrusive, and more “protective” (ie. more coddling), because women are hard-wired to treasure security more than uncertainty and danger. It was therefore inevitable that their feminine influence on politics was going to emphasize (lowercase “s”) social security.

I am aware of the fury that this statement is going to arouse, and I don’t care a fig.

What I care about is the fact that since the beginning of the twentieth century, there has been a concerted campaign to denigrate men, to reduce them to figures of fun, and to render them impotent, figuratively speaking.

I’m going to illustrate this by talking about TV, because TV is a reliable barometer of our culture.

In the 1950s, the TV Dad was seen as the lovable goofball—perhaps the beginning of the trend—BUT he was still the one who brought home the bacon, and was the main source of discipline (think of the line: “Wait until your father gets home!”).

From that, we went to this: the Cheerios TV ad.

Now, for those who haven’t seen this piece of shit, I’m going to go over it, from memory, because it epitomizes everything I hate about the campaign to pussify men. The scene opens at the morning breakfast table, where the two kids are sitting with Dad at the table, while Mom prepares stuff on the kitchen counter. The dialogue goes something like this:

Little girl (note, not little boy): Daddy, why do we eat Cheerios?
Dad: Because they contain fiber, and all sorts of stuff that’s good for the heart. I eat it now, because of that.
LG: Did you always eat stuff that was bad for your heart, Daddy?
Dad (humorously): I did, until I met your mother.
Mother (not humorously): Daddy did a lot of stupid things before he met your mother.

Now, every time I see that TV ad, I have to be restrained from shooting the TV with a .45 Colt. If you want a microcosm of how men have become less than men, this is the perfect example.

What Dad should have replied to Mommy’s little dig: Yes, Sally, that’s true: I did do a lot of stupid things before I met your mother. I even slept with your Aunt Ruth a few times, before I met your mother.

That’s what I would have said, anyway, if my wife had ever attempted to castrate me in front of the kids like that.

But that’s not what men do, of course. What this guy is going to do is smile ruefully, finish his cereal, and then go and fuck his secretary, who doesn’t try to cut his balls off on a daily basis. Then, when the affair is discovered, people are going to rally around the castrating bitch called his wife, and call him all sorts of names. He’ll lose custody of his kids, and they will be brought up by our ultimate modern-day figure of sympathy: The Single Mom.

You know what? Some women deserve to be single moms.

When I first started this website, I think my primary aim was to blow off steam at the stupidity of our society.

Because I have fairly set views on what constitutes right and wrong, I have no difficulty in calling Bill Clinton, for example, a fucking liar and hypocrite.

But most of all, I do this website because I love being a man. Amongst other things, I talk about guns, self-defense, politics, beautiful women, sports, warfare, hunting, and power tools—all the things that being a man entails. All this stuff gives me pleasure.

And it doesn’t take much to see when all the things I love are being threatened: for instance, when Tim Allen’s excellent comedy routine on being a man is reduced to a fucking sitcom called Home Improvement. The show should have been called Man Improvement, because that’s what every single plotline entailed: turning a man into a “better” person, instead of just leaving him alone to work on restoring the vintage sports car in his garage. I stopped watching the show after about four episodes.

(”The Man Show” was better, at least for the first season—men leering at chicks, men fucking around with ridiculous games like “pin the bra on the boobies”, men having beer-drinking competitions, and women on trampolines. Excellent stuff, only not strong enough. I don’t watch it anymore, either, because it’s plain that the idea has been subverted by girly-men, and turned into a parody of itself.)

Finally, we come to the TV show which to my mind epitomizes everything bad about what we have become: Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Playing on the homo Bravo Channel, this piece of excrement has taken over the popular culture by storm (and so far, the only counter has been the wonderful South Park episode which took it apart for the bullshit it is).

I’m sorry, but the premise of the show nauseates me. A bunch of homosexuals trying to “improve” ordinary men into something “better” (ie. more acceptable to women): changing the guy’s clothes, his home decor, his music—for fuck’s sake, what kind of girly-man would allow these simpering butt-bandits to change his life around?

Yes, the men are, by and large, slobs. Big fucking deal. Last time I looked, that’s normal. Men are slobs, and that only changes when women try to civilize them by marriage. That’s the natural order of things.

You know the definition of homosexual men we used in Chicago? “Men with small dogs who own very tidy apartments.”

Real men, on the other hand, have big fucking mean-ass dogs: Rhodesian ridgebacks, bull terriers and Rottweilers, or else working dogs like pointers or retrievers which go hunting with them and slobber all over the furniture.

Women own lapdogs.

Which is why women are trying to get dog-fighting and cock-fighting banned—they’d ban boxing too, if they could—because it’s “mean and cruel”. No shit, Shirley. Hell, I don’t like the idea of fighting dogs, either, but I don’t have a problem with men who do. Dogs and cocks fight. So do men. No wonder we have an affinity for it.

My website has become fairly popular with men, and in the beginning, this really surprised me, because I didn’t think I was doing anything special.

That’s not what I think now. I must have had well over five thousand men write to me to say stuff like “Yes! I agree! I was so angry when I read about [insert atrocity of choice], but I thought I was the only one.”

No, you’re not alone, my friends, and nor am I.

Out there, there is a huge number of men who are sick of it. We’re sick of being made figures of fun and ridicule; we’re sick of having girly-men like journalists, advertising agency execs and movie stars decide on “what is a man”; we’re sick of women treating us like children, and we’re really fucking sick of girly-men politicians who pander to women by passing an ever-increasing raft of Nanny laws and regulations (the legal equivalent of public-school Ritalin), which prevent us from hunting, racing our cars and motorcycles, smoking, flirting with women at the office, getting into fistfights over women, shooting criminals and doing all the fine things which being a man entails.

When Annika Sorenstam was allowed to play in that tournament on the men’s PGA tour, all the men should have refused to play—Vijay Singh was the only one with balls to stand up for a principle, and he was absolutely excoriated for being a “chauvinist”. Bullshit. He wasn’t a chauvinist, he was being a man. All the rest of the players—Woods, Mickelson, the lot—are girls by comparison. And, needless to say, Vijay isn’t an American, nor a European, which is probably why he still has a pair hanging between his legs, and they’re not hanging on the wall as his wife’s trophy.

Fuck this, I’m sick of it.

I don’t see why I should put up with this bullshit any longer—hell, I don’t see why any man should put up with this bullshit any longer.

I don’t see why men should have become feminized, except that we allowed it to happen—and you know why we let it happen? Because it’s goddamned easier to do so. Unfortunately, we’ve allowed it to go too far, and our maleness has become too pussified for words.

At this point, I could have gone two ways: the first would be to say, “…and I don’t know if we’ll get it back. The process has become too entrenched, the cultural zeitgeist of men as girls has become part of the social fabric, and there’s not much we can do about it.”

But I’m not going to do that. To quote John Belushi (who was, incidentally, a real man and not a fucking woman): “Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”

Well, I’m not going to quit. Fuck that. One of the characteristics of the non-pussified man (and this should strike fear into the hearts of women and girly-men everywhere) is that he never quits just because the odds seem overwhelming. Omaha Beach, guys.

I want a real man as President—not Al Gore, who had to hire a consultant to show him how to be an Alpha male, and french-kiss his wife on live TV to “prove” to the world that he was a man, when we all knew that real men don’t have to do that shit.

And I want the Real Man President to surround himself with other Real Men, like Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, and yes, Rice (who is more of a Real Man than those asswipes Colin Powell and Norman Mineta).

I want our government to be more like Dad—kind, helpful, but not afraid to punish us when we fuck up, instead of helping us excuse our actions.

I want our government of real men to start rolling back the Nanny State, in all its horrible manifestations of over-protectiveness, intrusiveness and “Mommy Knows Best What’s Good For You” regulations.

I want our culture to become more male—and not the satirical kind of male, like The Man Show, or the cartoonish figures of Stallone, Van Damme or Schwartzenegger. (Note to the Hollywood execs: We absolutely fucking loathe chick movies about feelings and relationships and all that feminine jive. We want more John Waynes, Robert Mitchums, Bruce Willises, and Clint Eastwoods. Never mind that it’s simplistic— we like simple, we are simple, we are men—our lives are uncomplicated, and we like it that way. We Were Soldiers was a great movie, and you know why? Because you could have cut out all the female parts, and it still would have been a great movie, because it was about Real Men. Try cutting out all the female parts in a Woody Allen movie—you’d end up with the opening and closing credits.)

I want our literature to become more male, less female. Men shouldn’t buy “self-help” books unless the subject matter is car maintenance, golf swing improvement or how to disassemble a fucking Browning BAR. We don’t improve ourselves, we improve our stuff.

And finally, I want men everywhere to going back to being Real Men. To open doors for women, to drive fast cars, to smoke cigars after a meal, to get drunk occasionally and, in the words of Col. Jeff Cooper, one of the last of the Real Men: “to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.”

In every sense of the word. We know what the word “is” means.

Because that’s all that being a Real Man involves. You don’t have to become a fucking cartoon male, either: I’m not going back to stoning women for adultery like those Muslim assholes do, nor am I suggesting we support that perversion of being a Real Man, gangsta rap artists (those fucking pussies—they wouldn’t last thirty seconds against a couple of genuine tough guys that I know).

Speaking of rap music, do you want to know why more White boys buy that crap than Black boys do? You know why rape is such a problem on college campuses? Why binge drinking is a problem among college freshmen?

It’s a reaction: a reaction against being pussified. And I understand it, completely. Young males are aggressive, they do fight amongst themselves, they are destructive, and all this does happen for a purpose.

Because only the strong men propagate.

And women know it. You want to know why I know this to be true? Because powerful men still attract women. Women, even liberal women, swooned over George Bush in a naval aviator’s uniform. Donald Trump still gets access to some of the most beautiful pussy available, despite looking like a medieval gargoyle. Donald Rumsfeld, if he wanted to, could fuck 90% of all women over 50 if he wanted to, and a goodly portion of younger ones too.

And he won’t. Because Rummy’s been married to the same woman for fifty years, and he wouldn’t toss that away for a quickie. He’s a Real Man. No wonder the Euros hate and fear him.

We’d better get more like him, we’d better become more like him, because if we don’t, men will become a footnote to history.

www.pirate-king.com/episode/1062


He's a guy. I'm a personal friend of his son =)

A simple "I disagree" would have probably been more effective than a rambling history lecture that barely had anything to do with the topic Tannelorn.

What the original poster is saying, I think, is accurate, if somewhat...badly stated.
Having been sent to the principals office several times in Elementary School for 'violent behavior' and being told that I shouldnt check out 'violent books' from the library at school and outside of it, I know some of what is going on here.
Seriously, my teacher thought I was going to be a mass murderer 'cause I was checking out books on the Napoleonic Wars at the age of eight, at which point I proceded to show my friends the cool pictures of dead people, this, beleive it or not, is perfectly normal behavior for an eight year old. Dead people, especially in large amounts as long as they are deserving, are cool. Its a simple fact up until the age of about sixteen when it becomes bad.
Meh :P

oh no it has everything to do with the topic, you see half of his argument is based on Bad history and therefore the history lesson is obviously required to add the point pussification of america has been going on since its inception. Fact is everything you say about whats right and whats wrong is based on a pack of lies. None of these "heroes" were anything like what you think. The fact is that commercial may be bad and i dont agree with it at all but still you dont go around saying thats why and this is why oh its happening. To be honest a man still makes more money on average then a woman in america, a man is the president, vice president, head of the senate, floor speaker, Defense secretary male, head of the army air force navy and the like male. Head of school boards, male. now lets not look at a few isolated incidents in modern america and call it the rule and this and that. You try to tell someone in say alabama your gay...you wil wind up dead. Try to tell someone in georgia to give their kids ritalin, expect to get shot. You try to tell kids to stop playing cowboys and indians in Texas...and you will get shot. now considering the Vast majority of americas population lives in those red states, and new york the biggest blue is not like that..well we can take one good look at the situation and say it how it is.

Lets change this post to "The pussification of CaliFORnia" good god. Thats why i put the history lesson in though, you evoked saipan and iwo jima, you invoked the Alamo and the civil war...and it has EVERYTHING to do with his argument.


P.S. oh and about "Rummy" he is incompetent. this man bungled the Vietnam war, and he is bungling iraq because he has no clue what he is doing..go ahead look it up look all of this up and you will see. Its not the Pussification...its the Education and civilisation of the Barbarian horde

The whole "Pussification of America" idea is idiotic, aside from some of the bits about nanny-state laws.
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything. Be as simple as you wish, like hunting and sports as much as you wish, find a 'good old-fashioned wife' if you wish. Unless someone lets someone else 'pussify' them, it doesn't happen. Pursuing any strategy of preventing people from being 'pussified' would be even more nanny-state-ish than the people you oppose.

OMG WTFz0Rz FFS did anyone else catch this holy jesus titty Fucking christ!!!!!!
the GERMANS bombed pearl harbor...ok you have proven yourself as someone who is quite literally uneducated as well. Alright it was the Japanese Imperial Navy that bombed pearl harbor....wow you have literally just proven sir that you know nothing, and have invalidated your entire argument due to the fact you cant even get simple facts that anyone who has been to the movies even in the last 5 years would know. WOW

I dislike the femenizing of men in America. It used to be that whenever somebody pointed a gun at you, you were supposed to shoot him(some cases her) dead on the spot. You weren't supposed to shoot the unarmed(though, it did happen.). If somebody punched your wife, you'd make sure that that person didn't make it far alive. Women(who are naturally good at raising their young, thanks to good old fassioned human instincts and hormones) tended to stay home because, well, you wouldn't want the father to raise babies while the woman went to the coal mines. Well, you wouldn't want to leave kids home alone.

Now, men are portrayed as wussies and retards. Often times, both parents work, which really screws up the kid. When husbands are asked to share their feelings, women(and men looking for a good laugh) want to know everything. I'm sorry, but how I felt about what I ate three weeks ago is really none of your business.

how men should be(based on history and nature):
providers
role models
strong
decisive
not afraid to put in extra hours when they really need to
not afraid to take a bullet for his family
not afraid to get dirty or bloody
Really, really shouldn't be into fassion or decor
should make sure he's Scottish before putting on a skirt
if the mother works, he should take care of the kids

how women should be:
should stay home if husband is breadwinner
smart
educated
role model
not afraid to stay up all night if she needs to
know her place as authority figure. All too often, women often are real pussies when it comes to raising kids. If the husband isn't around, you're the boss. Act like it.

I hate it when a large group listens to radicals. Women, you earn less because you're supposed to stand up to the boss and demand a decent wage. It's your job to improve your situation. If you don't want men to walk all over you, then why should you let femenazis be your masters? Centuries ago, I doubt women would pay attention to radical femenazis. I know men oppressed women(men had aggressive hormones.). But look at the following example:

the year is 20IM. For centuries, green people shot purple people. Lately, while purple people started speaking up, the younger green people gave them more rights. Now, they are basicly equal(if a job is too sexist/rasict, then quit and/or protest. Tell your friends. Employers need money.) However, the last green person to hunt purple people has been dead for a while. Do the purple people have the right to hunt and oppress green people, even if the bad ones aren't in power? Is it right for the purple people to attack the green people's way of life? Do the green people have to act like purple people did during the ancient hunts?

Bullshit, he's a pussy.

Boo-hoo, there is an imaginary pussification of men in America, run away! Fuck that. All the ones bitching are the pussies, because that's what pussies do, bitch about the way shit used to be. Now, if he wanted to rant about political correctness and bullshit, more power to him. But this is crap.

And, if you want to bitch about pussification, you should go straight to Maddox, who would chop down this Kim du Toit fellow with his mighty penis.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=real_men

Now that the sound of all those arguing against you's laughter has subsided let me tell you the things i do agree with. now to be honest if a woman wants to be a housewife thats great, and honestly a woman should not behave like that woman in the commercial, but should a man? after all thats the accepted idea is it not that a man can do that and should do that. Lets look at those same 50's shows the fathers are always like fathers to the ditsy mothers. Hell even fantastic 4 in the 60's Rick Reed treated his wife like crap, he constantly degraded her, publicly humiliated her, and made her look like an idiot and feel stupid every time she talked. Neither behaviour is good but let me tell you one thing. Both behaviours still exist but one behaviour does not exist in most of the US..Female control in the red states...where does that leave the men that act so despicably hmmm?

and by the way this is a real man

Respectful to others no matter what their beliefs, unless those beliefs endanger him or those he cares about, and even then he should not attack those that believe that way unless attacked first. This applies to violence as well.
If you are attacked, you take it up with the one responsible, you take them on in whatever way is appropriate and you deal with them swiftly and harshly. You do not involve others because they may look like them, sound like them or you just dont like them.
Always treat your wife with respect. Tell her you love her constantly...and mean it. Respect her ideas, her right to criticize you and things, and her right to believe differently as she should do for you.
Always try to do your best at whatever it is you are doing but dont hurt others to do it. If doing something means hurting another person you shouldnt do it no matter how much you want to. Its simply not worth it.
A real man only fights when he has to, and only as a last resort. He should try every other means to avoid it, and when he does have to use it he shuld be swift and merciful, putting him down without harming them so badly they cannot function. doing that out of revenge is wrong.
A man should always try his best to control his temper, because anger helps no one in anything.
Always sing your wife and children, or girlfriend to sleep [boyfriend if your gay]
Never be unfaithful to them in any way, dont lie or cheat your family.
Try to be honest in everything you do, dont lie and cheat others out of anything, a real man can obtain and provide with his own two hands.
Try to be mindful of others feelings, dont ask them or bother them or act like a poof, just try to read when a person is upset or not, or whether or not a topic will hurt a person.
A real man doesnt try to control or influence another persons beliefs, way of thinking or dreams and hopes. No matter how unlikely or stupid a person should never ever try to squash anothers hopes, as they shouldnt ever try to control the way another thinks, their opinions or beliefs. A man is independent and thinks for himself, and he should let others do as well.

Too political. The author clearly thinks GW Bush is a real man, same with Rumsfeld and Ashcroft. As if! I could beat up those bitches, I don't care if one did wear a flight suit.

I'm gonna check this guy's other shit out. He speaks my language fluently. He said everything I've wanted to say and more, and I can only applaud him. I love the reactions...typical examples of this pussification process.

Real Man:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/images/neanderthal.jpg

Pussy:
http://www.astromia.com/biografias/fotos/einstein.jpg

I made my choice.

I'm gonna check this guy's other shit out. He speaks my language fluently. He said everything I've wanted to say and more, and I can only applaud him. I love the reactions...typical examples of this pussification process.

Everything you've wanted to say, but never had the balls to come up with?

And of course I assume YOUR reaction isn't an example of pussification. Just everybody else's. :rolleyes:

Only Republicans are real men. That's why they need a "father" type government.

Greatest article I ever read.

Everything you've wanted to say, but never had the balls to come up with?

The balls to come up with? I don't know about you, but I don't think with my balls.

And of course I assume YOUR reaction isn't an example of pussification. Just everybody else's. :rolleyes:

Smart guy.

Only Republicans are real men. That's why they need a "father" type government.

I'd counter with some nasty comments, but I'm afraid you don't have a tissue box on hand.

I'd counter with some nasty comments, but I'm afraid you don't have a tissue box on hand.

You're going to drive him to wanking?

I dislike the femenizing of men in America. It used to be that whenever somebody pointed a gun at you, you were supposed to shoot him(some cases her) dead on the spot. You weren't supposed to shoot the unarmed(though, it did happen.).
And nobody has banned self-defense.
If somebody punched your wife, you'd make sure that that person didn't make it far alive.
Somehow, I think that revenge-killing wasn't legal, even in your good old days...
Women(who are naturally good at raising their young, thanks to good old fassioned human instincts and hormones) tended to stay home because, well, you wouldn't want the father to raise babies while the woman went to the coal mines. Well, you wouldn't want to leave kids home alone.
Well, seeing as I haven't seen any drastic upheavals or societal catastrophes, somehow I don't think letting fathers take care of children is all that terrible.
Now, men are portrayed as wussies and retards.
Bullshit. It isn't like the mainstream media is saying "Men are stupid, women are superior!"
Often times, both parents work, which really screws up the kid.
What do you propose doing about it, banning married women from working?
And surely this isn't the woman's fault: Couldn't the man stay home, and the woman work, if that is what they desired?
When husbands are asked to share their feelings, women(and men looking for a good laugh) want to know everything. I'm sorry, but how I felt about what I ate three weeks ago is really none of your business.
Well, if you want to be distant, nobody is stopping you.
how men should be(based on history and nature):
providers
role models
strong
decisive
not afraid to put in extra hours when they really need to
not afraid to take a bullet for his family
not afraid to get dirty or bloody
Really, really shouldn't be into fassion or decor
should make sure he's Scottish before putting on a skirt
if the mother works, he should take care of the kids
Should a man act decisive when he can't decide? Should a man act strong, even if he feels weak? ANd why shouldn't men like fashion and decor?
how women should be:
should stay home if husband is breadwinner
smart
educated
role model
not afraid to stay up all night if she needs to
know her place as authority figure. All too often, women often are real pussies when it comes to raising kids. If the husband isn't around, you're the boss. Act like it.
HAHAHA!
You complain about women not standing up to people. Somehow, I imagine women being told they should defer to men and such might lead some of them to thinking in that way, might it? Perhaps if you told a woman that she was a person too, and has as much a right to making decisions as anybody, she wouldn't feel as though she should let others decide?
I hate it when a large group listens to radicals. Women, you earn less because you're supposed to stand up to the boss and demand a decent wage. It's your job to improve your situation. If you don't want men to walk all over you, then why should you let femenazis be your masters? Centuries ago, I doubt women would pay attention to radical femenazis. I know men oppressed women(men had aggressive hormones.).
Oh yes, feminism has always been sooo radical. All feminists just want to trample all over men and nothing else.
Oh wait: The few idiots that support wacky anti-men stuff aren't listened to by almost anybody! Nobody cares about them, and none of their ideas are being put into practice!
What mainstream feminism has accomplished is this: Giving women the right to vote, allowing women into higher education, and helping people obtain contracetion and abortion if they want it. Wow, that's some radical, 'femenazi' stuff, isn't it?

You say that women should stand up to people for their rights, but then you condemn feminism. Guess what? Feminism is women standing up for their rights! Make up your mind already, should they work for what they want, or shouldn't they?
But look at the following example:

the year is 20IM. For centuries, green people shot purple people. Lately, while purple people started speaking up, the younger green people gave them more rights. Now, they are basicly equal(if a job is too sexist/rasict, then quit and/or protest. Tell your friends. Employers need money.) However, the last green person to hunt purple people has been dead for a while. Do the purple people have the right to hunt and oppress green people, even if the bad ones aren't in power? Is it right for the purple people to attack the green people's way of life? Do the green people have to act like purple people did during the ancient hunts?
Show me how giving women rights is equivalent oppressing men, and then perhaps your analogy will hold.

Well that was the most unevolved, neandertal, knuckledragging, rambling piece of 'opinion' that I have read in a long time. Oh, and it's highly sexist too,

I was bombarded with so much reactionary faeces in such a short span that I literally don't know where to start.

You want to know what a 'real' man is? A real man is a mixture of honor, of dignity, of respect and trustworthiness, and of strength - where it really counts - not of muscle but strength of character and heart.

A real man is not defined by whether he gets in fights, smokes cigars, drinks beer, shoots criminals and watches simplistic(his word not mine) movies. A real man is man enough to realise that what counts is not the trappings of one's being but what kind of person one truly is, and a real man is man enough to accept that other people have different ideas and ways of life.

I contend that the author himself is no real man. He is simply an oversized chimpanzee with internet access and too much time on his hands.

The balls to come up with? I don't know about you, but I don't think with my balls.


Hahahaha! See, that was humor where you pretend not to understand a metaphor and take it literally instead! Classic, and very original.


I'd counter with some nasty comments, but I'm afraid you don't have a tissue box on hand.

Oh please. Give me whatever nasty comments you can come up with. Let's hear them. I'm sure you think they're real cutting, but if you flatter yourself any more I think it'll be you who needs the tissue paper.

I bet the guy who wrote this article's never been in combat. It'll straighten you out real quick. I was in the Gulf in the 90's, now I DO believe the best thing to do when someone's got a gun pointed at your head is to give the bastard what he wants. Hey, I don't want to die for something trivial like a wallet, and I sure as hell am not going to pistol-whip the son of bitch, I'm really not all that quick on the draw.

The truth is, America was never the ideal image that's painted in this rant. Sure, some guys said "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country.", but then again most of the guys (including my ancestors, who survived by the way) would have been more like "Please don't kill me." They were just as hardened as all the other soldiers, but they were smart. That's why I'm here today. Because I'm smart.

You're going to drive him to wanking?
Oh man, this has me rolling on the floor right here.

Anyone who sincerely believes the Shrub is a prime example of a "Manly Man" suffers from a severe reality detachment to begin with.

I'm going to have to rate this a 10/10 on the Troll Scale.
http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/reubenm/TrollScale.jpg

Anyone who sincerely believes the Shrub is a prime example of a "Manly Man" suffers from a severe reality detachment to begin with.

Mmmm, that is true. Because if he was a case of "manly man" as described, he wouldn't have gone AWOL in the 70s. Heck, we would have volunteered for duty. And done it somewhere on the front lines.

Or does this mean that to be manly, one should stay far away from battles? hmmmm......

This thread just reminds me of this (http://animebitch.ytmnd.com/). :rolleyes:

Nice hissy fit, oh manly man. Were you beating on your chest and going, "Ug" while profusely whining about sissification? :rolleyes:

A realy man wouldn't feel castrated by his wife's humorous comment about "dumb things" before he met her. Nor would he feel threatened by a woman's advancement in society. Insecurity is not macho.

Violence is not manly. It is caused by brain damage, genetic defects and psychological factors. Being able to control violent urges seems more manly than being weak and submitting to those urges. Or wait, does it take a real man to beat up his wife and children?

If this is supposed to be the definition of a real man, I revoke what I said in previous threads about not wanting a sissy.

So?

From the authors description of a "real" man; would a real man be posting in blogs?

Hell would a "real man" even bitch about what real men are?

Fucking brilliant. I love it. I don’t agree with the idea that Bush is anymore of a manly man than Gore, but the rest is right on the ball.

I dont think Ive seen a finer display of closeted, self-loathing, and repressed homosexuality, than the original post.

Who you trying to convince of your manly ways?

Yourself?

i cant help but giggle when i read the title.

and that may be the longest post i've ever seen. maybe. ...
Well Peechland i got bored after 2 sentences and "I blame Democracy!"

I dislike the femenizing of men in America. It used to be that whenever somebody pointed a gun at you, you were supposed to shoot him(some cases her) dead on the spot. Not a bad idea, but probably unfeasible. You'd end up dying for nothing. You weren't supposed to shoot the unarmed(though, it did happen.). Please. People were never, as a whole, more honourable in the past. Americans invented scalping, for example, not the Indians. If somebody punched your wife, you'd make sure that that person didn't make it far alive. WTF? You don't need to kill them! (Although I agree, a bit of something is in order) Women(who are naturally good at raising their young, thanks to good old fassioned human instincts and hormones) tended to stay home because, well, you wouldn't want the father to raise babies while the woman went to the coal mines. Well, you wouldn't want to leave kids home alone. I won't argue here, except to say that there's nothing wrong with mothers having jobs as long as they can raise the kids as well.
Now, men are portrayed as wussies and retards. Often times, both parents work, which really screws up the kid. When husbands are asked to share their feelings, women(and men looking for a good laugh) want to know everything. I'm sorry, but how I felt about what I ate three weeks ago is really none of your business. Eh, I never share my feelings. Then again, I don't live in America, but I do live in a country which is trying to follow all of America's worst trends.

how men should be(based on history and nature):
providers
role models
strong
decisive
not afraid to put in extra hours when they really need to
not afraid to take a bullet for his family
not afraid to get dirty or bloody
Really, really shouldn't be into fassion or decor
should make sure he's Scottish before putting on a skirt
if the mother works, he should take care of the kids Er, I don't really have anything to argue about here. Real man. (http://www.fairechaser.com/images/knight.jpg) :p

how women should be:
should stay home if husband is breadwinner
smart
educated
role model
not afraid to stay up all night if she needs to
know her place as authority figure. All too often, women often are real pussies when it comes to raising kids. If the husband isn't around, you're the boss. Act like it. *has visions of Thatcher*

I hate it when a large group listens to radicals. Women, you earn less because you're supposed to stand up to the boss and demand a decent wage. …and get fired. This is America, remember?
It's your job to improve your situation. If you don't want men to walk all over you, then why should you let femenazis be your masters? Centuries ago, I doubt women would pay attention to radical femenazis. I know men oppressed women(men had aggressive hormones.). But look at the following example:

the year is 20IM. For centuries, green people shot purple people. Lately, while purple people started speaking up, the younger green people gave them more rights. Now, they are basicly equal(if a job is too sexist/rasict, then quit and/or protest. Tell your friends. Employers need money.) However, the last green person to hunt purple people has been dead for a while. Do the purple people have the right to hunt and oppress green people, even if the bad ones aren't in power? Is it right for the purple people to attack the green people's way of life? Do the green people have to act like purple people did during the ancient hunts? I've never seen a woman oppressing a man, to be quite honest with you.

And this is an admirable thing in a country that claims to promote freedom of speech?

Just because speech is free doesn't mean it carries no consequences.

I dont think Ive seen a finer display of closeted, self-loathing, and repressed homosexuality, than the original post.

Who you trying to convince of your manly ways?

Yourself?

Well said.

If you ask me, men are more cmfortable with their masculinity now that there's no longer some bizarre need to express it 24-7.

However, I am concerned that we are raising our children to be way too soft. Self-esteem is a wonderful thing, but groundless self-esteem leads to problems when children face troubled times and realize for the first time that sometimes they lose.

I remember shocking the kids at work by showing them that men can cook too. :D
Shows that archaic images of what's manly and what's not are still found in every corner of the world.

Arrgh in my day men were men and women were grateful and if they wernt grateful and they spoke up we socked them in the mouth!
Yarrggh!

I dont think Ive seen a finer display of closeted, self-loathing, and repressed homosexuality, than the original post.

Who you trying to convince of your manly ways?

Yourself?

You are funny In your perverted logic that would make you a raging conservative christian - since you so often deny it. You are obviously repressing yourself.

I remember shocking the kids at work by showing them that men can cook too. :D
Shows that archaic images of what's manly and what's not are still found in every corner of the world.

Haven't they ever heard of Chef Boyardee?

Wow! Thanks for wasting my precious time with a sexist, homophobic, pyscotic rant by someone who thinks sterotypes are a good thing. Honestly, you expect women to become highly educated and then drop everything and become a servile domestic the moment they get a husband? You expect men to go out in the backwoods and hunt even though they live in an industrialized society and have no reason to except drive animals to extinction for fun? As a child of two working parents, I can also dismiss that bs about both parents working messing kids up. I'm perfectly fine...well, almost. *evilgrin*:p

Rather amusing that Don Rumsfeld is seen as "tough", considering he never fired in anger, as far as I know. He likes shouting at people who work for him though. in his nice office..people who can't answer back because they lack the power...bit like a metaphor for American foregn policy for the last 50-60 years.

As for Bush being mocked for acting "macho"...yes he was. He had the chance to fly a plane for his country while it was trying to obliterate the Vietnamese but somehow didnt find the balls nesseccary to do so. That was when he declared that the "war was over" wasn't it?

The Vietnamese...now they fought the French, Japanese, British, Australians, Americans and whoever else tagged along from before world War 2 to the mid 1970's to liberate their country from foriegners. Died in their millions, faced onslaughts by B-52's with supply train by bicycle...now they're real men.

More proof that men are indeed the dumber sex :)

Real Man:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/images/neanderthal.jpg

Pussy:
http://www.astromia.com/biografias/fotos/einstein.jpg

I made my choice.The main mental differences between those two are unrelated to manliness.

And Einstein was, neurologically, unusually manly. That is, according to the theory that that people with Asperger's syndrome has unusually "manly" brains. (ie, the general differences between men and women's brains are larger. this is partially proven. the question is merely to which degree it is true)

That's one sexy neanderthal though :p

I kinda agree with the OP. Masculinity and the agression that comes with it has been devalued. The fact is that when channeled properly, a macho swagger and the willingness to do whatever it takes (including resort to violence) is a good thing.

One caution though. When standing up for men's rights to be men let's not end up like the Identity Feminist assholes. You don't have to put down the opposite sex to raise up your own.

I kinda agree with the OP. Masculinity and the agression that comes with it has been devalued. The fact is that when channeled properly, a macho swagger and the willingness to do whatever it takes (including resort to violence) is a good thing.

One caution though. When standing up for men's rights to be men let's not end up like the Identity Feminist assholes. You don't have to put down the opposite sex to raise up your own.


Holy shit -someone here I agree with!

Holy shit -someone here I agree with!
I think most people on this forum agree with me sometimes. I'm kinda weird. Not totally conservative, not totally liberal and not very moderate at all. I hold somewhat extreme ideas in both directions.

I think most people on this forum agree with me sometimes. I'm kinda weird. Not totally conservative, not totally liberal and not very moderate at all. I hold somewhat extreme ideas in both directions.
Same here...and I agree with you in that neither gender should diminish the other. Men and women should be equal, and women should definitely start becoming more assertive.

He's a guy. I'm a personal friend of his son =)
Not to mention most people who talk like they read the post, didn't think about this part:

That’s what I would have said, anyway, if my wife had ever attempted to castrate me in front of the kids like that.

Masculinity is fine, to a point. Feminism is also fine, to a point. While im not saying men should be pansies. Im not saying that we should have to be "me name grug, me big fighter" in order to "be a man."

And for the original post.

"...When Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Germans..."
^Ok, with that one phrase it lost all fucking credability.

Masculinity is fine, to a point. Feminism is also fine, to a point. While im not saying men should be pansies. Im not saying that we should have to be "me name grug, me big fighter" in order to "be a man."

And for the original post.

"...When Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Germans..."
^Ok, with that one phrase it lost all fucking credability.
There should be a balance of both femininity and masculinity in both males and females.

Masculinity is fine, to a point. Feminism is also fine, to a point. While im not saying men should be pansies. Im not saying that we should have to be "me name grug, me big fighter" in order to "be a man."

And for the original post.

"...When Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Germans..."
^Ok, with that one phrase it lost all fucking credability.
Might have been an Animal House reference.

Masculinity is fine, to a point. Feminism is also fine, to a point. While im not saying men should be pansies. Im not saying that we should have to be "me name grug, me big fighter" in order to "be a man."

And for the original post.

"...When Pearl Harbour was bombed by the Germans..."
^Ok, with that one phrase it lost all fucking credability.

Actually it was when it held up D Rumsfeld as some kind of example of manhood that I headed for the hills...mind you these are the kind of people that spread the idea the French surrendered in WW1....

My reaction is kind of "meh." He seems quite riled up, but about what is only discussed in the broadest of generalities.

The point about the Cheerios commercial was quite good, but he seems to have a hard time defining what a real man is. He lauds Bush for his swagger, but in my book any real man earns his swagger, preferably through some way other than through being a cheerleader and sitting out a war. By contrast, he calls Colin Powell a sissy, despite the fact that the man has ample first-hand knowledge of how to kill someone. The fact that he shows discretion in how he uses this ability is in my mind even more of a reason to believe Colin a real man, not less.

In short, if its consideration and prudence that he has a problem with, then he's wrong, because any real man has those qualities in abundance. If he's talking about complete unwillingness to assert oneself, then yes, I think he is right that a lot of men simply don't feel allowed to act in a manner that might offend someone's sensibilities.

wow, that original post was probably the biggest piece of crap i have ever read. if a "real" man only believes in hunting, cigars, and getting drunk, then america is going to shit. quite frankly, i would never go out with any guy who feels the need that to prove he is a man, he has to go out and do dangerous activies. men and women should be EQUAL partners in life, and as far as im concerned, america is not being "pussified," and if men adopted what you believe to be the stereotypical manly role, then we would be a country full disguisting pigs (or at least the men). oh ya, and because im too lazy to go back and put in the official quote thingy:

ARF-COM and IBTL: Why binge drinking is a problem among college freshmen?

It’s a reaction: a reaction against being pussified. And I understand it, completely. Young males are aggressive, they do fight amongst themselves, they are destructive, and all this does happen for a purpose.

hmm, as i came to understand it, binge drinking is a problem among college freshmen because the majority of them are now away from their parents and want to use their newfound independence.

and one more thing: theres nothing wrong with a guy who nows how to dress himself nicely. :)

What the fuck are you thinking (person who started this thread)? Yes, homosexuality is becoming more abundant in our society, and even though it is, you can't stop it, unless if we did it your way we would just decide to go out and kill the neighborhood fag after we talk about power tools. What a load of bullshit. I'm a guy, I could care less about a fucking drill. You are a chauvinist, whethere u like it or not. You think women shouldn't be allowed to vote, because they would destroy, what you think, makes a man a man, just by voting. Fucking idiot. I didn't know if u were joking when i read some of these extremely ignorant and loaded full of shit statements. Do you think its some sort of conspiracy theory? Oh no, guys dont smoke any more, they take medication, they're going against what you say to be natural instinct to be a "slob." And whats with you saying its ordinary, or at least was, to scrue around with the secretary??? You're a fucking dumb ass. I hope you get raped by some guy with aids.

Very unlikely.

I've never said it's okay to have an affair with your secretary. To the contrary.

Women have and should have as equal a right to vote as men-after all, they can fight to protect it.

I'm tired of men getting pussified and transformed into what men were never intended to be.

I'm tired of men getting pussified and transformed into what men were never intended to be.

Intended to be by what? Nature? It not in our nature to do a lot of things. Like cook meat. Or wear glasses. Or surf the internet. But we do, and we hold two fingers up to nature all of the time were doing it. Screw Nature.

Very unlikely.

I've never said it's okay to have an affair with your secretary. To the contrary.

Women have and should have as equal a right to vote as men-after all, they can fight to protect it.

I'm tired of men getting pussified and transformed into what men were never intended to be.

Then why dont u focus on yourself, instead of making ingnorant statements about how it isn't the definition of "manly" to dick around with guns. And, you basically said that women were the downfall of men, and implied they shouldnt vote.

I dont think Ive seen a finer display of closeted, self-loathing, and repressed homosexuality, than the original post.

Who you trying to convince of your manly ways?

Yourself?

HAHAHAHA! so true.

I hope you get raped by some guy with aids.


How did David Copperfield get aids?

doing Magic.

Then why dont u focus on yourself, instead of making ingnorant statements about how it isn't the definition of "manly" to dick around with guns. And, you basically said that women were the downfall of men, and implied they shouldnt vote.


Negative, again.

Intended to be by what? Nature? It not in our nature to do a lot of things. Like cook meat. Or wear glasses. Or surf the internet. But we do, and we hold two fingers up to nature all of the time were doing it. Screw Nature.

Excuse me you heathen dummy, but God intended men to kill animals, eat meat cooked over fire, shoot guns, fight people who insult them and die for their country. Suck it up, pinko.

How did David Copperfield get aids?

doing Magic.


:D

Colon commando :D

Excuse me you heathen dummy, but God intended men to kill animals, eat meat cooked over fire, shoot guns, fight people who insult them and die for their country. Suck it up, pinko.

You owe me a new monitor.

DANG! That was funny.


There was once a guy at my school who dressed up in a pirate's costume and went around while people were sleeping and jumped on them while screaming "Arr! I am the butt pirate! Surrender your booty! Ahoy!"



:D

Is Kim du Toit a guy or a girl? Kim is a girl's name in the West, however in Asia it's a guy's name.

"Kim" is the abbreviation for "Kimberly" in the West.

"Kim" is a Male Korean Name in Asia.

Quit spewing ignorant crap.
Both of you are wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!!

I know several western "manly men" named Kim. Kim is unisex in the west. It can be either Kimberly, Kimball, or Kim. And all three variations are originally primarily male names.

As for Korea, I am quite sure that the many Korean women with that surname would be quite surprised to learn that you think they are guys.

You are funny In your perverted logic that would make you a raging conservative christian - since you so often deny it. You are obviously repressing yourself.


One who is comortable with who they are, do not need to start threads in a forum asking why everything is so gay.

I can get vocal about my political beliefs, but even I dont need to mercilessly attack every single Conservative Christian I see.
If I did, given the place that I live, I wouldnt last long.

Look at the poster..military name...big..strong attitude, macho in the extreme...now he posts, asking why everything in America is so "pussified".

Thats aggresion from latent homosexuality.

I dont often quote Shakespeare, but "Methinks the Lady (man) doth protest too much."

You are funny In your perverted logic that would make you a raging conservative christian - since you so often deny it. You are obviously repressing yourself.


One who is comortable with who they are, do not need to start threads in a forum asking why everything is so gay.

I can get vocal about my political beliefs, but even I dont need to mercilessly attack every single Conservative Christian I see.
If I did, given the place that I live, I wouldnt last long.

Look at the poster..military name...big..strong attitude, macho in the extreme...now he posts, asking why everything in America is so "pussified".

Thats aggresion from latent homosexuality.

I dont often quote Shakespeare, but "Methinks the Lady (man) doth protest too much."

I know several western "manly men" named Kim. Kim is unisex in the west. It can be either Kimberly, Kimball, or Kim. And all three variations are originally primarily male names.

As for Korea, I am quite sure that the many Korean women with that surname would be quite surprised to learn that you think they are guys.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Kim has long been a unisex name in the west.

Look at the poster..military name...big..strong attitude, macho in the extreme...now he posts, asking why everything in America is so "pussified".

Thats aggresion from latent homosexuality.
ROFLMAFO!!! I've heard "latent homosexuality" thrown at men who collect guns, men who hunt, men who are construction workers, men in the military, men who hold traiditional values, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

How the hell would you know? How would anyone know? More to the point, so fracking what??? Are you trying to insult men by calling them "gay?" If so, how do the "real" gays feel about using their lifestyle as an insult?

The whole thing reeks.

I know several western "manly men" named Kim. Kim is unisex in the west. It can be either Kimberly, Kimball, or Kim. And all three variations are originally primarily male names.



very true, i know a man called kym.

as for the original post, whats wrong with getting in touch with your feminine side? girls love sensitive, gentlemanly boys, they hate chauvanistic, macho pigs.

as for the original post, whats wrong with getting in touch with your feminine side? girls love sensitive, gentlemanly boys, they hate chauvanistic, macho pigs.

Which brings up an interesting point: Which is more manly? To do manly things or to be attractive to women?

You don't like women alot do you... Also the way you talk about "girly-men", that's kinda like you're trying to hide your own insecurity... To put it in another way, are you gay? :rolleyes:

ROFLMAFO!!! I've heard "latent homosexuality" thrown at men who collect guns, men who hunt, men who are construction workers, men in the military, men who hold traiditional values, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

How the hell would you know? How would anyone know? More to the point, so fracking what??? Are you trying to insult men by calling them "gay?" If so, how do the "real" gays feel about using their lifestyle as an insult?

The whole thing reeks.


No no no....

Im not saying everyone who collects guns are gay....

But in the case of the original post...he makes SUCH an ordeal by comlpaining how everything isnt "manly" enough for his liking?

What would you call it?

The ones that scream " I hate fags!" the loudest, usually are covering something up.

What would you call it?


A severe deprivation of :fluffle: 's, misplaced bitterness, a victim-complex.;)

Or, as I see it, the more insecure the man, the more of a show he feels he has to put on with big guns and dumb, masturbatory rants (see above).

ROFLMAFO!!! I've heard "latent homosexuality" thrown at men who collect guns, men who hunt, men who are construction workers, men in the military, men who hold traiditional values, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

How the hell would you know? How would anyone know? More to the point, so fracking what??? Are you trying to insult men by calling them "gay?" If so, how do the "real" gays feel about using their lifestyle as an insult?

The whole thing reeks.

I agree completely, it's a circuitous argument.

Though I do still think the guy's completely wrong (except about the suppression of children's impulses by chemical means, and fathers' rights, if he mentioned them. To be honest, I got bored.).:rolleyes:

There was once a guy at my school who dressed up in a pirate's costume and went around while people were sleeping and jumped on them while screaming "Arr! I am the butt pirate! Surrender your booty! Ahoy!"



:D

*shifts uncomfortably*

...really...

Hmm.

Good grief, the only French person to show balls lives in America and is a woman!

Now, if her family is like her, there might be chances for saving France...
You're way too into your politics. You don't have to be an ultra-right wing Republican to be a real man with balls 'n' all. The suitably named Bush is a pussy by any serious standards of masculinity. It takes real balls to lead your own troops into battle, and he didn't do that, he sent others to do it.

The Republicans want to outlaw abortion, which is certainly a case of the government telling people what's best for them. They also put security above freedom. See the PATRIOT Act and the spying programmes. Not that I oppose all this, but it's not compatible with your ideological idea of manliness.

BTW, since when are power tools manly? Power tools are boring. Useful, but not very interesting. Not all real men have to dig the same things. Why guns? Why not swords?

But I agree with some fundamental points of your posts. There is an element of society that seeks to excessively suppress the natural aggression in men. I disagree with that. At the same time I think women should be allowed to vote and have equal rights.

Why guns? Why not swords?



Why not both?

Why not both?

Best comment yet.

(Also, your sig is way too big. The limit is eight lines)

Now, men are portrayed as wussies and retards. Often times, both parents work, which really screws up the kid.
I agree with this. I blame the real problem, capitalism - not some vague idea about pussified society.

Too political. The author clearly thinks GW Bush is a real man, same with Rumsfeld and Ashcroft. As if! I could beat up those bitches, I don't care if one did wear a flight suit.
I agree. Definitely too political. The politician with balls personally leads his troops into battle.

Just because speech is free doesn't mean it carries no consequences.
That is what it means. If you have free speech, it means that you must be protected from coercive forces that run counter to it.

I kinda agree with the OP. Masculinity and the agression that comes with it has been devalued. The fact is that when channeled properly, a macho swagger and the willingness to do whatever it takes (including resort to violence) is a good thing.

One caution though. When standing up for men's rights to be men let's not end up like the Identity Feminist assholes. You don't have to put down the opposite sex to raise up your own.
I agree.

Holy shit -someone here I agree with!
Hold on B0zzy, it's not like he agreed that only Republicans can be real men!

I'm tired of men getting pussified and transformed into what men were never intended to be.
Your doctrine about only ever doing one woman in your life seriously runs counter to being a real men. Spread your seed, you're an alpha!

Which brings up an interesting point: Which is more manly? To do manly things or to be attractive to women?
The latter, though there is often overlap (depending on the particular woman). Going through life with a gun in hand and a limp, dry dick is no way to be.

Why not both?
Good plan. (not exactly the core point of my post, but whatever)

I'm glad to be able to read the words of a TRUE man.

A man who has the courage to shoot his TV when he doesn't like what he sees ;-)

But theres no reason why one cannot be gay and "manly"...the greeks were rampantly gay/bisexual and were tough bastards....I've met gay men who were far tougher articles than most straight men.....

But theres no reason why one cannot be gay and "manly"...the greeks were rampantly gay/bisexual and were tough bastards....I've met gay men who were far tougher articles than most straight men.....

That's a fair point. Stereotypes are always wrong ...
However, not all greeks were gay... or we'd have run out of them.

But theres no reason why one cannot be gay and "manly"...the greeks were rampantly gay/bisexual and were tough bastards....I've met gay men who were far tougher articles than most straight men.....
Yeah, despite my previous posts, I am not saying that gay men are 'pussified' by default. I just generalised because most men are straight, and I couldn't be bothered to point out the exception.

That's a fair point. Stereotypes are always wrong ...
However, not all greeks were gay... or we'd have run out of them.
Actually I think that most Greek men were gay (of course there were a number of cultures within Greece), but they also bred with women out of necessity. They believed that you could only really get true pleasure and a deep relationship from another man, but that women were just breeders to make more people.

Actually I think that most Greek men were gay (of course there were a number of cultures within Greece), but they also bred with women out of necessity. They believed that you could only really get true pleasure and a deep relationship from another man, but that women were just breeders to make more people.

Maybe... personally I haven't tried it, so I'm not really in a position to debate that. I doubt however, that most men were gay or are gay in any society. The figure in Britain is about 3 million gay, lesbian, and transexual people I think... not sure... out of 58 million. But that's still a huge community of people.

Maybe... personally I haven't tried it, so I'm not really in a position to debate that. I doubt however, that most men were gay or are gay in any society. The figure in Britain is about 3 million gay, lesbian, and transexual people I think... not sure... out of 58 million. But that's still a huge community of people.
It's probably an anachronism to say that _any_ greek was 'gay' - that word denotes a modern context, one that didn't exist 2400 years ago.

It's true to say that male homosexual acts were considered very normal and manly in Ancient Greece, and hence were very common, but they didn't have our subdivisions of gay-straight-bi at all. I can't think, off the top of my head, of any greek society that had _exclusively_ homosexual pairings, it was something you did in addition to having a wife.

"Kim" is a Male Korean Name in Asia.

Incorrect. In Korean, one's given name follows the family name. For instance, Kim Il-sung's (김일성) first wife (and supposed mother of Kim Jong-il, 김정일) is Kim Jong-suk (김정숙). Some Koreans, however, reverse this order when employing languages where (as in English) the family name follows the given name.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim):


Kim is also a common forename in English-speaking countries, sometimes short for Kimberly or Kimball. It has been used as both a male and a female name, but is currently most common as a female name.
In the Scandinavian countries, Denmark in particular, it is more common as a male name.
In the early Soviet Union quite a few newborn Russians were called Kim after the "Kommunistichesky Internatsional Molodyozhi", or "Youth Communist International"

This "kim" certainly is a crybaby.

ROFLMAFO!!! I've heard "latent homosexuality" thrown at men who collect guns, men who hunt, men who are construction workers, men in the military, men who hold traiditional values, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

How the hell would you know? How would anyone know? More to the point, so fracking what??? Are you trying to insult men by calling them "gay?" If so, how do the "real" gays feel about using their lifestyle as an insult?

The whole thing reeks.

You have to admit that it's not exactly "manly" to bitch about what men should be. I usually hear women doing that. ;)

It obviously wasn't a threat.
President of the United States threatened to punch a man in the face and kick him in the balls

?

Apart from the Euro-pussy men element, I gotta say "RIGHT ON, BROTHER!"

So perhaps his demand for a more male centred society is a little (heh) reactionary. But in heavens name, I DEMAND equal rights with women, including the right to bitch about discrimination at every available opportunity! To claim that simple humour is somehow undermining my entire gender! To haul a woman up in front of a judge for looking at the front of my trousers in a covetous manner, or god-forbid she might compliment me on my looks. If a man is portrayed in a less than favourable manner on television or in any form of media, I will make it my personal quest to prove that there is some vast conspiracy of the other gender to rule the world from the beginning of recorded history, with every religion, ideology and minor behavioural aspect designed to keep me under the matriarchal heel.

Damn... I lost track of who I was parodying.