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Anyone read it? I have.

It's pretty interesting, and convincing in some ways. I do not intend nor want to insult or embarrass or hurt any Christians, but seeing how Mary Magdalene was Jesus's wife, and how she was not a prostitute is intruiging. Also seeing how in the painting, The Last Supper, the person on the right-hand side of Jesus is not a man, but a woman (preferably Mary Magdalene, his wife) because you see large breasts on the person.

What was most shocking is at the end of the book, they tell you where Mary Magdalene is buried -- under the Famous French Art Gallery Louvre.

Some other things also caught my attention -

-The Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament are written by humans to make Jesus look like a Prophet

-Living descents of Jesus exist in the French Royal Family with the family-names of Saint-Claire and Merovingians

-The Vatican knows about all of this, but keeps it discrete to allow the World to think Christianity is the true religion

-The Church kills anyone suspected of being a descendant of Jesus

-Women were degraded by the Church, and by vigourous brain-washing, the World came to believe it

-Women were degraded by terms of symbolism. Such as the left side in general represents Feminine Power, while the right side in general symbolizes Masculine Power. The Church influenced this belief by saying people should eat with their right hands, and that Right (representing Masculinity) is good, thus righteousness and right and wrong.

-The Mosaics, Icons and Paintings of Virgin Mary looking down upon Jesus and taking care of him is a copy of the Egyptian Goddess Isis looking down and taking care of her son, Horus

-Any Christian Symbol is a copy from other Religions/Cultures

-The Priory of Sion is a group of faithful members, which included Sir Isaac Newton, Victor Hugo, Galileo and Leonardo da Vinci at one point protect documents proving Mary Magdalene's marraige/pregnency to Jesus as well as Mary's bones.

-The Holy Grail is not shown in The Last Supper, therefore, the Holy Grail is actually Mary Magdalene

-Opus Dei, a Catholic Religious Cult pratices Orthodox and Conservative Christian Ways, such as "corporal mortification", which means inflicting pain on oneself as requesting forgiveness from God

-Opus Dei has a headquarter on Lexington Avenue in New York City

-Opus Dei helped the Vatican out of bankruptcy when Pope John Paul existed before his recent death. The Bankruptcy was kept secret

-The actual male sign is - ^, while the actual female sign is - V

- ^ represents aggression, often used in Military Ranks, while V represents the Womb

-The Trident of the Greek God of Sea, Poseidon, was discouraged by the Church and was known as the Trident of Satan

-The Five-Pointed Criss-Cross Star was also discouraged by the Church as a symbol of Satan -- often used on Air-Craft in the US Air-Force

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I'm not Christian/Catholic myself, but I found this book interesting.

What are your views on this book?

Anyone read it? I have.

It's pretty interesting, and convincing in some ways. I do not intend nor want to insult or embarrass or hurt any Christians, but seeing how Mary Magdalene was Jesus's wife, and how she was not a prostitute is intruiging. Also seeing how in the painting, The Last Supper, the person on the right-hand side of Jesus is not a man, but a woman (preferably Mary Magdalene, his wife) because you see large breasts on the person.

What was most shocking is at the end of the book, they tell you where Mary Magdalene is buried -- under the Famous French Art Gallery Louvre.

Some other things also caught my attention -

-The Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament are written by humans to make Jesus look like a Prophet

-Living descents of Jesus exist in the French Royal Family with the family-names of Saint-Claire and Merovingians

-The Vatican knows about all of this, but keeps it discrete to allow the World to think Christianity is the true religion

-The Church kills anyone suspected of being a descendant of Jesus

-Women were degraded by the Church, and by vigourous brain-washing, the World came to believe it

-Women were degraded by terms of symbolism. Such as the left side in general represents Feminine Power, while the right side in general symbolizes Masculine Power. The Church influenced this belief by saying people should eat with their right hands, and that Right (representing Masculinity) is good, thus righteousness and right and wrong.

-The Mosaics, Icons and Paintings of Virgin Mary looking down upon Jesus and taking care of him is a copy of the Egyptian Goddess Isis looking down and taking care of her son, Horus

-Any Christian Symbol is a copy from other Religions/Cultures

-The Priory of Sion is a group of faithful members, which included Sir Isaac Newton, Victor Hugo, Galileo and Leonardo da Vinci at one point protect documents proving Mary Magdalene's marraige/pregnency to Jesus as well as Mary's bones.

-The Holy Grail is not shown in The Last Supper, therefore, the Holy Grail is actually Mary Magdalene

-Opus Dei, a Catholic Religious Cult pratices Orthodox and Conservative Christian Ways, such as "corporal mortification", which means inflicting pain on oneself as requesting forgiveness from God

-Opus Dei has a headquarter on Lexington Avenue in New York City

-Opus Dei helped the Vatican out of bankruptcy when Pope John Paul existed before his recent death. The Bankruptcy was kept secret

-The actual male sign is - ^, while the actual female sign is - V

- ^ represents aggression, often used in Military Ranks, while V represents the Womb

-The Trident of the Greek God of Sea, Poseidon, was discouraged by the Church and was known as the Trident of Satan

-The Five-Pointed Criss-Cross Star was also discouraged by the Church as a symbol of Satan -- often used on Air-Craft in the US Air-Force

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I'm not Christian/Catholic myself, but I found this book interesting.

What are your views on this book?

Historically, it's a load of nonsense, unfortunately; the premise is good, and if true it would be intriguing.

I don't believe Brown ever claims that the Old Testament was written by humans to indicate that Jesus was a prophet. If he actually does claim such a thing, it is an absurd claim that would require a good deal of time travel.

It is in the book itself. And the accuracy of this book is still debated.

Angels and Demons was far superior to The DaVinci Code. Let's see what's at stake:

The destruction of BLANKETY BLANK (spoilers removed) at the hands of BLANK WEAPON, or the loss of a huge secret in history?

Then again, stuff blowing up always catches my eye first :p

It is in the book itself. And the accuracy of this book is still debated.

Debated? I thought the general consensus of academic and lay thought was that the Da Vinci Code is almost 100% pure fiction.

*Mary Magdalene was not Jesus's wife... Jesus didn't have a wife*

It is in the book itself.

Which I read, but from the library, and thus do not have it available to check.

He may have been speaking of the translations of the Old Testament, in which case his claim would make more sense, but the actual work was compiled centuries before the birth of Christ.

Long story short, all the pieces of art, and descriptions of groups (the Priory of Sion, Opus Dei) are accurate to our current knowledge, but things like whether or not Jesus was made out to be the Son of God, who exactly Mary Magdalene was, and pretty much all the storyline-related information is confined to theories, since there's no conclusive proof for it.

Other than being written on a foundation of theory made out to be truth (Which is rather more realistic than most fiction, which makes it all up from the start) it was a very good book. I'm currently on my third read-through of it, in my Special Illustrated Edition.

Angels and Demons was far superior to The DaVinci Code. Let's see what's at stake:

The destruction of BLANKETY BLANK (spoilers removed) at the hands of BLANK WEAPON, or the loss of a huge secret in history?

Then again, stuff blowing up always catches my eye first :p

I thought Angels and Demons was a little too much soap opera. The big revelation at the end got a big "oh come on" from me.

-The Holy Grail is not shown in The Last Supper, therefore, the Holy Grail is actually Mary Magdalene



That doesn't make any sense. If it's true that Mary is the Holy Grail, then it IS shown in the painting. Right?

Sorry for the misconception.

The Cup is not there, but the Holy Grail, AKA, Mary Magdalene, is there.

It is in the book itself. And the accuracy of this book is still debated.

I actually refuse to read it based on some of the things you pointed out, like mary magdolin burried under the louvre - ptah! the merovingian thing was a legend that was proliferated by the family. But yeah, I actually started reading the Angels and Demons, but the writing style and the historical inaccuracy bothered the hell out of me. Personally, I think that Dan Brown is kind of a horrible writer when it comes down to how people talk and act. It's as though he's never been around people before. Also, too many people for whoms taste I have nothing but contempt for loved the book absolutely, and I don't want to be looped in with that lot.

That doesn't make any sense. If it's true that Mary is the Holy Grail, then it IS shown in the painting. Right?

I've read that at the point during the meal in which DaVinci depicts, there would be no wine on the table, so no need for a chalice. Thats why there is no literal Grail on the table.

This whole fight by the Religious minded just stuns me.

The cover of the book says Novel!

Even Brown himself freely admits he made up details and stretched things to make the story flow.

Ahh well.....

Oh alright I got'cha now. I thought you were contradicting yourself. Sorry.

I've also read Holy Blood Holy Grail (did a bunch of research projects on the Templars in college) and they also make lots of jumps in logic and assumptions. And this was supposed to be part of the real life research Brown did for his book.

That and the authors of HB:HG admitted that they were had and their premise and conclusion are wrong.

This whole fight by the Religious minded just stuns me.

The cover of the book says Novel!

Even Brown himself freely admits he made up details and stretched things to make the story flow.

Ahh well.....

He also claims that his books are historically accurate. Even though actual historians can prove otherwise.

He also claims that his books are historically accurate. Even though actual historians can prove otherwise.

Ok I challenge that with a reference request.

All I'm saying is that the DaVinci code was penned by Satan himself...
Satan is well known for his Action-Packed plots with poor character development and haphazardly researched background information.

All I'm saying is that the DaVinci code was penned by Satan himself...
Satan is well known for his Action-Packed plots with poor character development and haphazardly researched background information.

Michael Crichton is SATAN??????? :eek:

Not read/ seen it probably not going to. I've talked to enough people who did and read enough conspiracy theories and odd history (like the cathars and the European Crusade) to basically get the idea and figure it as a more sensationalist and less accurate portrayal of the same sort of things.

Ok I challenge that with a reference request.

Televison interviews. I can look them up, but I make no guarentees. I think his forward also claims this.

Michael Crichton is SATAN??????? :eek:

And Jerry Bruckheimer.

Michael Crichton is SATAN??????? :eek:

Michael Crichton is worse. He has way too much data and really longwinded, dry dialogue etc.

Televison interviews. I can look them up, but I make no guarentees. I think his forward also claims this.

Historically accurate and historically factual are two different things.

You can write a novel that is historically accurate in that people and events were used.

I will have to have a looksy when I get home but I seem to recall the forward also mentions he took people etc out of history.

So I still have to give the leary eye on the claim of factual.....

Anyone read it? I have.

It's pretty interesting, and convincing in some ways. I do not intend nor want to insult or embarrass or hurt any Christians, but seeing how Mary Magdalene was Jesus's wife, and how she was not a prostitute is intruiging. Also seeing how in the painting, The Last Supper, the person on the right-hand side of Jesus is not a man, but a woman (preferably Mary Magdalene, his wife) because you see large breasts on the person.

What was most shocking is at the end of the book, they tell you where Mary Magdalene is buried -- under the Famous French Art Gallery Louvre.

Some other things also caught my attention -

-The Bible, the Old Testament and the New Testament are written by humans to make Jesus look like a Prophet

-Living descents of Jesus exist in the French Royal Family with the family-names of Saint-Claire and Merovingians

-The Vatican knows about all of this, but keeps it discrete to allow the World to think Christianity is the true religion

-The Church kills anyone suspected of being a descendant of Jesus

-Women were degraded by the Church, and by vigourous brain-washing, the World came to believe it

-Women were degraded by terms of symbolism. Such as the left side in general represents Feminine Power, while the right side in general symbolizes Masculine Power. The Church influenced this belief by saying people should eat with their right hands, and that Right (representing Masculinity) is good, thus righteousness and right and wrong.

-The Mosaics, Icons and Paintings of Virgin Mary looking down upon Jesus and taking care of him is a copy of the Egyptian Goddess Isis looking down and taking care of her son, Horus

-Any Christian Symbol is a copy from other Religions/Cultures

-The Priory of Sion is a group of faithful members, which included Sir Isaac Newton, Victor Hugo, Galileo and Leonardo da Vinci at one point protect documents proving Mary Magdalene's marraige/pregnency to Jesus as well as Mary's bones.

-The Holy Grail is not shown in The Last Supper, therefore, the Holy Grail is actually Mary Magdalene

-Opus Dei, a Catholic Religious Cult pratices Orthodox and Conservative Christian Ways, such as "corporal mortification", which means inflicting pain on oneself as requesting forgiveness from God

-Opus Dei has a headquarter on Lexington Avenue in New York City

-Opus Dei helped the Vatican out of bankruptcy when Pope John Paul existed before his recent death. The Bankruptcy was kept secret

-The actual male sign is - ^, while the actual female sign is - V

- ^ represents aggression, often used in Military Ranks, while V represents the Womb

-The Trident of the Greek God of Sea, Poseidon, was discouraged by the Church and was known as the Trident of Satan

-The Five-Pointed Criss-Cross Star was also discouraged by the Church as a symbol of Satan -- often used on Air-Craft in the US Air-Force

--

I'm not Christian/Catholic myself, but I found this book interesting.

What are your views on this book?


You do know it's a fictional novel, right? And that he isn't actually claiming his book is true?

Michael Chrichton is worse. He has way too much data and really longwinded, dry dialogue etc.

Actually he writes a good fluff book for long plane trips.

But one thing I have noticed is that he seems to get bored and rushes to complete the book. The endings tend to make me go Meh!

However, when you have a long flight, his stuff is an easy read.....

Actually he writes a good fluff book for long plane trips.

But one thing I have noticed is that he seems to get bored and rushes to complete the book. The endings tend to make me go Meh!

However, when you have a long flight, his stuff is an easy read.....

I always liked Mario Puzo for fluff books. They really don't have much difficulty, little philosophical inclination, but they're fast to read and I like to read about the Mafia.

*Mary Magdalene was not Jesus's wife... Jesus didn't have a wife*
From Stephen King's Dark Tower series:

"Your Man Jesus seems to me a bit of a son of a bitch when it comes to women," Roland said. "Was he ever married?"
The corners of Callahan's mouth quirked. "No," he said, "but His girlfriend was a whore."
"Well," Roland said, "that's a start."

It's a good yarn, as they say, and the ideas in the book have been around ages (the continued existence of the Kinghts Templar, secret meanings in the paintings and works of several Da Vinci age artists etc.) but it is just a story. Like all clever storytellers, Brown did his homework and made his subject real. Every one recognises the details as real life stuff, so the suspension of disbelief is easier. Plus I agree that Angels and Demons is a better book.

Also seeing how in the painting, The Last Supper, the person on the right-hand side of Jesus is not a man, but a woman (preferably Mary Magdalene, his wife) because you see large breasts on the person.


-The Holy Grail is not shown in The Last Supper, therefore, the Holy Grail is actually Mary Magdalene

So the Holy Grail isn't shown in the painting, therefore the figure to the side of Christ is the Holy Grail, so the Holy Grail is shown in the painting, so therefore the figure on the side of Christ isn't the Holy Grail, so the Holy Grail isn't shown in the painting...

So the Holy Grail isn't shown in the painting, therefore the figure to the side of Christ is the Holy Grail, so the Holy Grail is shown in the painting, so therefore the figure on the side of Christ isn't the Holy Grail, so the Holy Grail isn't shown in the painting...

Breasts are the Holy Grail.

I also feel that Angels and Demons was a bit better than the Da Vinci Code. It pissed me off a bit even though I'm not religious that he portrayed the election of the a pope as something the media has no interest in. Rome is always a media circus whenever popes are elected. That kind of forced my suspension of disbelief a bit. The end of A&D was kinda wacky. Da Vinci Code was great book for it's entertainment and suspense value. I think Ron Howard's movie has potential. The Silas caracter if carefully devoloped on screen can quickly become the Darth Vader type villain of the 21st century. :D
I prefer reading more serious and fine tuned stories, books and biographies but I'd say the Da Vinci and Dan Brown's stuff is most definitely worth reading even if it is only for a change of pace.

Breasts are the Holy Grail.

Nope. The **** is the Holy Grail. A chalice that pours out blood... it ain't hard to follow, now, is it?