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I must say that FN is the only company who has taken a weapon directly designed for the military and sold it on the civlian market. If it sells well we might see others follow.

The selling price of the Fn PS90 is 3 times what I bought my car for-1500$. It's very pricey, and ammo is still 20$ a box, but hopefully ammo prices will drop and the PS90 price will too.

No, I don't want a pea-shooter.

I already own a poodle shooter (my Rock River Arms M4gery).

Dear god is that thing UGLY! :headbang:

No, I don't want a pea-shooter.

I already own a poodle shooter (my Rock River Arms M4gery).
Nothing wrong with pea shooters. They're fun for plinkin, and cheap on the pocket. But that thing is uglier than sin, and it cost $1500! I'd spend that on a Weatherby .270 belted magnum! ;)

Dear god is that thing UGLY! :headbang:

Yup. Looks like a 2x4 but it's actually very ergonomic. Easy to aim, point, and the recoil is very light. It's not going to win any beauty contests, but it is tough, reliable, and accurate.

Just like the AK family of weapons, my other favorite.

Ick, Michigan considers it a pistol? I don't want to have to go to the trouble of actually registering my firearms. However, for a P90 I would probably make an exception.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=424773

I must say that FN is the only company who has taken a weapon directly designed for the military and sold it on the civlian market. If it sells well we might see others follow.

The selling price of the Fn PS90 is 3 times what I bought my car for-1500$. It's very pricey, and ammo is still 20$ a box, but hopefully ammo prices will drop and the PS90 price will too.
You're just so damn obsessed with guns!

You're just so damn obsessed with guns!

Huh? Just another hobby As far as I'm concerned, just like my fascination with the 300SD series Mercedes Benz, and my pets....

Of course do any of you guys ever bring up any of those topics? nooooooo! It's always "Guns killl 30000000 cute, innocent puppies in peaceful toronto and in peace-loving Africa"




:p

if i'm getting a smg, it's going to be soemthing from h&k.

that being said, i would rather have a rifle at this time over anything else, i'm htinking about picking up some vintage ww2 rifles.

if i'm getting a smg, it's going to be soemthing from h&k.

that being said, i would rather have a rifle at this time over anything else, i'm htinking about picking up some vintage ww2 rifles.

Currently HK does not have any offerings on the market right now in the area of SMGs. I'd love to get an Mp5 or a G3, but the only things you can get nowadays are clones, not the 'real' thing. Fabrique nationale is the ONLY company to directly offer a military weapon to civilians-a First. If it sells well we might see Sig Arms step up to the plate with it's 550 series, maybe others will follow.

If Bolt actions are your thing, you can get a good condition Swiss K31 for under 150$ if you look. Those things are built like swiss watches-accurate, reliable, and they are VERY good peices of history. Most still have the name of the soldier who carried them in the metal plate on the buttstock.

If semi autos are your thing, go to www.odcmp.com and get a WWII/Korean War M1 garand.

if i'm getting a smg, it's going to be soemthing from h&k.

that being said, i would rather have a rifle at this time over anything else, i'm htinking about picking up some vintage ww2 rifles.

i am toying with the idea of getting an 1903-springfield myself as well.

i had one years and years ago,my grandfather gave it to me when i was 12,he brought it back from ww1.

sadly some asshole stole it when our family was on vacation.

so my next purchase will probably be an 03 out of respect for him.

not to mention you can get 06 ammo pretty darn cheap,aside from 7.62/39,probably the cheapest ammo(rifle) out there.

i have a .270 winchester,and you can get kinda cheap ammo for it but the good high energy stuff for serious hunting(which requires alot of sighting in for the higher velocity)is damn exspensive(30.00 bucks for 20 rds.)

and has anyone noticed the shortage of the east bloc 7.62?
i keep trying to order from various sources some wolf ammo for my bulgy sa-93 and it has been backordered for the last 2 months!
shoot,i am down to 3500 rounds and i am itching to do some shooting with my boys,but i never like to let my stock go below 3500.

oh,and the fn..ugly as all hell to me.i'd rather have the car-m4 for the cost savings,not a huge fan of them either,i like the battle proven and solid as a rock ak rifles,or as a subgun,the hk mp5 is awesome,as is the uzi without the rat tail barrel.:mp5:

p.s.what i would love to have but cant afford at the moment is a thompson sub gun(in.45 of coarse)with the flat forestock instead of the handgrip style...ww2 style setup.

Yeah it's pretty but I've got about 100 things I'd rather spend 4k on. If my 'toys' budget goes over 40k that means I'd buy one but not before.

I'm not into guns, and I'm not even sure whether I could buy one legally in this country, and I certainly don't have the money...

But this thing still makes more sense than an assault rifle if you want to protect yourself. It's been built to counter kevlar vests and so on, and many SWAT Teams use it, or variations of it, so if you have the money, go for that one, rather than something where a stray bullet will not only kill your kid next room, but also his friend two blocks down.

n_l you really don't know much about guns. That round like any other high penetration rifle round will go through not only kevlar but the wall as well. No safer than an aussault rifle at all really. Your best bet for home defence would be a shotgun.

n_l you really don't know much about guns.
Guilty as charged...

That round like any other high penetration rifle round will go through not only kevlar but the wall as well. No safer than an aussault rifle at all really. Your best bet for home defence would be a shotgun.
Probably. I didn't look at the calibre, I just sorta assumed it was smaller and less dangerous if it's allowed now, because AFAIK, Assault Rifles are not okay to have in the US, right?

Guilty as charged...


Probably. I didn't look at the calibre, I just sorta assumed it was smaller and less dangerous if it's allowed now, because AFAIK, Assault Rifles are not okay to have in the US, right?

Size means nada. The round used by the P90 is comparable to a 5.7 BOZ which is a pistol round that goes through APC. The Aussault rifle ban in the US (Brady Bill) has expired and under the legal definition used an 'aussault weapon was a cosmetic differentiation and had nothing to do with actual firepower or performance. For instance an SKS that was formerly classed as an 'ausault rifle' could cease to be an 'aussault rifle by virtue of removing the flash suppressor (unless it was a paratroop with a folding stock it was a point system it was really stupid). And either way ballistically it was no different than many hunting rifles and less complicated mechanically.
DO give you an example a NATO 5.56 can break a small block V8 engine. And it's a smaller caliber (little more than a .22 .223 actually) than the P90's ammuntion. On to why the shotgun is your man at home. First shot disperses allmost all of it's kinetic force on impact. It may make a hole in the wall but it's not going far after that. Second accurracy (no I'm not talking abou 'spread' you're 'spread' on 00 in any reasonably large room is going to be about the size of both fists held together) sighting down a 2-3 ft barrell at a mansized target is almost a gaurantee after a couple of hours paractice at the range one encounters indoors. Third the whole world knows what sound a pump-action makes when a round is chambered. This sound is usually enough to convince whoever you were going to shoot to go somewhere else. Which means you get to have a gun without having to use it!
Sorry there I know an awful lot about guns I learned to shoot when I was 12.

I'm not into guns, and I'm not even sure whether I could buy one legally in this country, and I certainly don't have the money...

But this thing still makes more sense than an assault rifle if you want to protect yourself. It's been built to counter kevlar vests and so on, and many SWAT Teams use it, or variations of it, so if you have the money, go for that one, rather than something where a stray bullet will not only kill your kid next room, but also his friend two blocks down.

Hehe, NL and I agree...on something!

FYI assault rifles are machine guns, and machine guns are legal in the US. However, what are more popular are semi-automatic versions of assault rifles-all you need is a 4473, background/NCIS, and maybe in some states a waiting period. ARF owns 3 AKM rifle parts kits (flippin' receiver company is taking their time)-2 in Soviet 7.62x39 and one in 5.45. 2 Romanian and one polish.

Guilty as charged...


Probably. I didn't look at the calibre, I just sorta assumed it was smaller and less dangerous if it's allowed now, because AFAIK, Assault Rifles are not okay to have in the US, right?

assault rifle ban was lifted,puppet show that it was in the u.s.(they just banned semi autos...full auto has always been heavily regulated...but they just banned the IMPORT of foriegn made "assault weapons")the ban was on things like bayonet lugs,you know,to cut down on all the drive by bayonetting incidents..lol.. and muzzle flash hiders,cause we all know how the crimminals dont mind spraying the hood with bulllets but..the darn muzzle flash freaks them out.

oddly enough,i cant think of any crimes committed by an "assault weapon"..ie:fully auto...except the hollywood bank thing,but they where smuggled weapons if i remember correctly.

i hate to say it...but it needs saying...GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE...PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!



and just because it is an "assault rifle" does not mean it is a pray and spray type weapon.
any large caliber hangun round will penetrate walls and kill your kid or your friend down the street.(they make hand cannons now..the 454 casull comes to mind)

i have a .270 hunting rifle with a 6/24 illuminated reticle scope..and i would definately like to have someone shooting at me with an "assault rifle" rather then my hunting gun.

that said,any idiot with a gun is dangerous,just as much as an idiot with a car is dangerous.

or falling down crappy steps is dangerous..or..i could go on all night,

people are so afraid of objects,it baffles me,we should be afraid of the guy that will shoot me/bomb me/run me over/stab me...etc.

i have had guns since i was 12,30 plus years now,and never shot a gun in anger,defended myself(illegally from a nasty assault)without firing...5 against 1 is a bitch,until you have a gun and they all ran away like the cock roaches they were...but i had been bashed into a coma before with a cinder block by 4 guys(why they couldnt just beat the shit outta me without the cinder block escapes me)so i will look into the weapon(fn) but i think it is ugly.

so i will buy an old 06 and be happy,i have plenty of regular guns...but if i was to spend,now it will be on war relics/memorabilia

wow..what an anti anti gun rant..lol..the fn is freakin ugly as sin,plus i buy american(except my bulgarian ak,my brazillion..lol...taurus,my german made scopes,my italian baretta clips,and my myriad of other accessories that are made in china/mexico/spain/france/canada(para ord)and to numerous to list countries...but the u.s. is alone on the gun thingy...hahaha

and to the previous poster...yes,a shotgun is thee best home defence round going,with minimal wall penetration(using the correct shot) and deadly terminal effect....it's the only gun i have that is not locked in a safe,however...i am going to go with frangible bullets for my .45 and put the shotty in the safe.