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As Jason Brown sat down to his christmas dinner, which his wife and daughter had painstakingly prepared over about a week, he was a happy man. His buissiness was sucsessful. As much as anything this christmas was a celebration that MANMEAT co., Jason's company, had surpassed the sales PIG&PORK, the world's leading producer of pork, beef, poultry, and every imaginable kind of animal meant.
As Jason sipped his scotch he reflected on the difficulties of the past ten years. At first his buissiness had been shut down. Activists, politicians and the general population were outraged that Jason's new company slaughtered and sold humans by the pound, with or without bone. It had taken alot of very good lawyers, and alot of advertising help form Jason's father (who owned the FOX network) to convince the nation that there was nothing wrong with eating humans. After all, the human flesh that MANMEAT co. sold were wither test tube humans, who were never realy conciouss of themselves and had been bred for the exact purpose of dinner, or people who had died in some other way, and were purchased and cleaned by MANMEAT before selling.
Jason smiled as he remembered how the public had come to realize that there was no differnce between eating pig and eating people. He gave a hearty chuckle as he remebered how the world had imbraced MANMEAT. But as Jason cut into the delicious kidney that Uncle Fred had served him, he felt a little... queasy.


Could someone explain to me why it would be wrong to eat humans like this, when it is not wrong to eat a pig or cow?

Also is there a reaon why it is wrong to eat a human that you did not kill?

Because I can't see myself eating people. Mabye its just the way I was raised.

Eating people would be really good as a wartime terror tactic. Forget mass killings and rapes - all you have to do is breed some subhuman cannibals and set them to tearing apart enemy civilians!

Sorry, got a little sidetracked.

Eating people would be really good as a wartime terror tactic. Forget mass killings and rapes - all you have to do is breed some subhuman cannibals and set them to tearing apart enemy civilians!

Sorry, got a little sidetracked.
Just feed some people nothing but PCP for three days.

As long as I don't die from some nasty disease or horrific accident I would very much like someone to eat me... It'd be like human mutton!

As Jason Brown sat down to his christmas dinner, which his wife and daughter had painstakingly prepared over about a week, he was a happy man. His buissiness was sucsessful. As much as anything this christmas was a celebration that MANMEAT co., Jason's company, had surpassed the sales PIG&PORK, the world's leading producer of pork, beef, poultry, and every imaginable kind of animal meant.
As Jason sipped his scotch he reflected on the difficulties of the past ten years. At first his buissiness had been shut down. Activists, politicians and the general population were outraged that Jason's new company slaughtered and sold humans by the pound, with or without bone. It had taken alot of very good lawyers, and alot of advertising help form Jason's father (who owned the FOX network) to convince the nation that there was nothing wrong with eating humans. After all, the human flesh that MANMEAT co. sold were wither test tube humans, who were never realy conciouss of themselves and had been bred for the exact purpose of dinner, or people who had died in some other way, and were purchased and cleaned by MANMEAT before selling.
Jason smiled as he remembered how the public had come to realize that there was no differnce between eating pig and eating people. He gave a hearty chuckle as he remebered how the world had imbraced MANMEAT. But as Jason cut into the delicious kidney that Uncle Fred had served him, he felt a little... queasy.


Could someone explain to me why it would be wrong to eat humans like this, when it is not wrong to eat a pig or cow?

Also is there a reaon why it is wrong to eat a human that you did not kill?

Because I can't see myself eating people. Mabye its just the way I was raised.bred for food.... what did they eat?

I see a few potential problems with eating humans.

1) Humans who have died of natural causes are not desirable as food product, because we typically don't like eating things that have died of disease. After all, we don't keep herds of cattle until they expire naturally and THEN take their meat, we kill them when they are still healthy and free of the illnesses and so forth that typically cause natural death. This means we would probably need to kill healthy humans to get the best meat. Victims of "quick deaths" might be suitable candidates, but I don't know if there would be enough of them to provide sufficient material.

2) Eating the flesh of our own species is more dangerous than eating non-human meat, because of the increased risk of disease transmission.

3) Growing "test tube humans" for sacrifice is so ethically messy that it wouldn't be worth bothering. When you take into account the legal fees, lobby, and other necessary expenses, it would cost so much that the human meat would be outrageously expensive.

4) Having tried eating monkey meat in the past, I believe it is extremely likely that human flesh is simply not palatable enough for people to want to eat it. If humans taste anything like our nearest animal cousins, then we're not missing much by passing on the cannibalism.

Because there's no reason to create test tube humans to feed on. There are too many wild, free-range humans out there ready for the oven.

bred for food.... what did they eat?


What do cows eat? vegetables.


Meat growing today is terribly inefficient, as I imagine human-agriculture would be.

Could someone explain to me why it would be wrong to eat humans like this, when it is not wrong to eat a pig or cow?

It depends. To actually get a human to develop to the point where it has lots of meaty internal organs somewhat suggests it in fact has achieved the capacity to experience and sense things instead of being an undeveloped foetus - de facto making it a person.

If you however manage to grow meaty human bodies without brains and/or neural net... I see no objections. Except that such a body would be far better used in the organ donation than in the food industry.

4) Having tried eating monkey meat in the past, I believe it is extremely likely that human flesh is simply not palatable enough for people to want to eat it. If humans taste anything like our nearest animal cousins, then we're not missing much by passing on the cannibalism.
Wasn't it determined that animals that eat meat or have meat as a majority of their diet really don't taste very good? For some reason, I remember reading or hearing about that somewhere.

4) Having tried eating monkey meat in the past, I believe it is extremely likely that human flesh is simply not palatable enough for people to want to eat it. If humans taste anything like our nearest animal cousins, then we're not missing much by passing on the cannibalism.
I liked monkey. It didn't taste so bad. It was howler monkey, though. What was yours?

Because there's no reason to create test tube humans to feed on. There are too many wild-range humans out there ready for the oven.
You raise an interesting point there but where would you find the healthiest, most edible people? I wouldn't eat the Swiss.. too many bankers.. maybe the mediteranian or scandinavian perhaps?

Wasn't it determined that animals that eat meat or have meat as a majority of their diet really don't taste very good? For some reason, I remember reading or hearing about that somewhere.
I think I've read about that, too. It makes sense, since we know for sure that feeding livestock on particular things can alter the flavor of the meat. Other than seafood, I can't think of many carnivorous species that are high-ranking on our list of favorite meats. Can anybody else?

I liked monkey. It didn't taste so bad. It was howler monkey, though. What was yours?
Not sure...it was something smaller than howler, though, and had one of those two-word names like "Fig-leaf Monkey" or something.

Maybe it's just the little ones that taste lousy. As someone who stands 5'2" on a good day, I find that very reassuring. :)

You raise an interesting point there but where would you find the healthiest, most edible people? I wouldn't eat the Swiss.. too many bankers.. maybe the mediteranian or scandinavian perhaps?

Mmmmh...mediterraneans....

I see a few potential problems with eating humans.
1) Humans who have died of natural causes are not desirable as food product, because we typically don't like eating things that have died of disease. After all, we don't keep herds of cattle until they expire naturally and THEN take their meat, we kill them when they are still healthy and free of the illnesses and so forth that typically cause natural death. This means we would probably need to kill healthy humans to get the best meat. Victims of "quick deaths" might be suitable candidates, but I don't know if there would be enough of them to provide sufficient material.

I was thinking more like this young man in the prime of his life got shot than- his whole body is infected with gangrene and he died in a hospital bed

2) Eating the flesh of our own species is more dangerous than eating non-human meat, because of the increased risk of disease transmission.
There is a hypothetical assumption that they clean the meat well and its prefectly safe

3) Growing "test tube humans" for sacrifice is so ethically messy that it wouldn't be worth bothering. When you take into account the legal fees, lobby, and other necessary expenses, it would cost so much that the human meat would be outrageously expensive.
But I'm wondering why its wrong. Just assume that this guy's family owns the gov.

4) Having tried eating monkey meat in the past, I believe it is extremely likely that human flesh is simply not palatable enough for people to want to eat it. If humans taste anything like our nearest animal cousins, then we're not missing much by passing on the cannibalism.
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Mabye I wasn't clear. The question I want answered is: Assuming human meat is jsut like pig meat, why shouldn't we eat it?

I think I've read about that, too. It makes sense, since we know for sure that feeding livestock on particular things can alter the flavor of the meat. Other than seafood, I can't think of many carnivorous species that are high-ranking on our list of favorite meats. Can anybody else?

Hmm, I would think that's probably due more to the fact that it would probably be far more expensive (and difficult) to feed a herd of say...lions, than it would be to feed a herd of cows.

You know, there's a very easy end-around to this entire debate.

Hufu -- human flesh alternative. (http://www.eathufu.com/home.asp)

;)

What do cows eat? vegetables.


Meat growing today is terribly inefficient, as I imagine human-agriculture would be.
but Humans arn't cows. unless you're forcing these Test Tube Meals to only be vegitarian... and what, make up the lack of vitamins/minerals with steriods? Usually, meat eaters or meat majority eaters tend to not taste good. (heard that somewhere. gotta look that up.)

Then there is the backlash. what's stopping someone from killing and eating their neighbor? the meat is untraceable, unless you're going to start recording DNA from everyone. Then there's the difference between test tube grown and the homeless/criminal/unemployed. it's a very thin line that can be crossed... then what... all students that fall below a B+ average in their GPA is now on the menu? that will get the Education level up.

Illegal Aliens caught are literally grilled?
Would there be an age limit. some baby animals are eaten as well.

People eat Dogs and Cats and also keep Chickens and cows as pets... does this mean that Test Tube humans can be kept as pets? how to distinguish Test Tube from "Free Range" then. especially if the growth process is done to be almost perfect and leave no physical evidence. if you can keep them as pets, then we should call them by their proper name... SLAVES.

and when these Test Tube Humans start talking? makes it harder to distinquish from what is edable and what isn't.

Computerize everything... then one Hacker clever enough to get in and... well just becareful or you yourself might end up on the menu.

Chinese is good, there's plenty for everyone. But your hungry again an hour later.

(a line I used to use on a Chinese ex-GF)

Chinese is good, there's plenty for everyone. But your hungry again an hour later.

(a line I used to use on a Chinese ex-GF)
German-Chinese... One Hour later you're hungry for power. :D

South Park did it better.

U are all disgusting:mad: and you soud be thrown into an institution :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

U are all disgusting:mad: and you soud be thrown into an institution :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
why??? for arguing against it?

I thought that Mad Cow Disease was from cows eating dead cows in their feed. And I thought I read about cannibals having a form of that disease...
:eek:
Besides, I can no longer stomach the taste of pork, so if people taste like pigs, yecchh!

Eating people would be really good as a wartime terror tactic. Forget mass killings and rapes - all you have to do is breed some subhuman cannibals and set them to tearing apart enemy civilians!

Sorry, got a little sidetracked.

You should probably see a good therapist. A really good therapist. In the meantime, stay away from sharp and shiny objects.
:)

U are all disgusting:mad: and you soud be thrown into an institution :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I'm not crazy. Just hungry.
Why not put Grandma's body to good use now she isn't using it?
'No Turkey this years kids'
'Awwww'
'We're havin Grandma instead!'
'Yaaaay'

Since most of us here are Monty Python fans anyway...

MAN: (entering a shop) Um, excuse me, is this the undertaker's?
UNDERTAKER: Yup, that's right, what can I do for you, squire?
M: Um, well, I wonder if you can help me. My mother has just died and I'm not quite sure what I should do.
U: Ah, well, we can 'elp you. We deal with stiffs.
M: (aghast) Stiffs?
U: Yea. Now there's three things we can do with your mum. We can bury her, burn her, or dump her.
M: Dump her?
U: Dump her in the Thames.
M: (still aghast) What?
U: Oh, did you like her?
M: Yes!
U: Oh well, we won't dump her, then. Well, what do you think: burn her, or bury her?
M: Um, well, um, which would you recommend?
U: Well they're both nasty. If we burn her, she gets stuffed in the flames, crackle, crackle, crackle, which is a bit of a shock if she's not quite dead. But quick. And then you get a box of ashes, which you can pretend are hers.
M: (timidly) Oh.
U: Or, if you don't wanna fry her, you can bury her. And then she'll get eaten up by maggots and weevils, nibble, nibble, nibble, which isn't so hot if, as I said, she's not quite dead.
M: I see. Um. Well, I.. I.. I.. I'm not very sure. She's definitely dead.
U: Where is she?
M: In the sack.
U: Let's 'ave a look.
U: Umm, she looks quite young.
M: Yes, she was.
U: (over his shoulder) FRED!
F: (offstage) Yea!
U: I THINK WE'VE GOT AN EATER!
F: (offstage) I'll get the oven on!
M: Um, er...excuse me, um, are you... are you suggesting we should eat my mother?
(pause)
U: Yeah. Not raw, not raw. We cook her. She'd be delicious with a few french fries, a bit of stuffing. Delicious! (smacks his lips)
M: What! (he stammers)
(pause)
M: Actually, I do feel a bit peckish - No! NO, I can't!
U: Look, we'll eat your mum. Then, if you feel a bit guilty about it afterwards, we can dig a grave and you can throw up into it.
M: All right.

"Could someone explain to me why it would be wrong to eat humans like this, when it is not wrong to eat a pig or cow?"

If you mean "Why isn't it 'wrong' for humans to eat poultry, beef, pork, etc...but is 'wrong' for humans to eat other humans?"

My first answer would be: we aren't cannibals.

I respect and appreciate everything on this earth. In my mind, everything was put here for a useful purpose(although we as humans abuse everything!), and one of the purposes of the animals named above (and many not named ) is eating! No I do not like all the shit that's pumped into these animals before they reach us in the local grocery. I'd much rather be eating it without all the addons that are placed there simply to raise profits. This world revolves around money.

I was thinking more like this young man in the prime of his life got shot than- his whole body is infected with gangrene and he died in a hospital bed

Bullets leave residue in the body, so gunshot deaths would not be preferable. Indeed, most homicides are performed in ways that would not be particularly good for the cannibalism trade, and most accidental deaths also present problems.


There is a hypothetical assumption that they clean the meat well and its prefectly safe

Well, we also clean beef and poultry and most of the other meats we eat. People still can get sick from eating them, and human meat would carry a radically increased risk even if we used pretty strict standards for cleaning it. I would say that an increased risk of dying would be a very good reason to avoid eating human meat.

As a related example, I don't see any ethical reason why eating rotten beef is "wrong," but I still believe that eating rotten beef is something humans generally should not do.


But I'm wondering why its wrong. Just assume that this guy's family owns the gov.

Setting aside the inherent problems that would arise from having a government "owned" by cannibals, in a society that recognizes human and civil rights it would be virtually impossible to justify the growing of full humans for consumption. You might be able to get away with growing (for instance) human legs or something, but growing a full human for the slaughter would violate the most fundamental ethical principles of modern law.

I see nothing wrong with eating the bodies of humans who have volunteered, but deliberately creating humans who can have no say in their future, and then slaughtering them for food...well, I'm not quite as comfortable with that notion. :P


Mabye I wasn't clear. The question I want answered is: Assuming human meat is jsut like pig meat, why shouldn't we eat it?
That's like saying, "assuming that shooting a human child in the face is the same as going skiing, why shouldn't we shoot human children in the face?" Your assumption is at the heart of the problem. Human meat is not just like pig meat, and thus there are human-specific reasons against cannibalism that do not apply to eating other meat.

That's like saying, "assuming that shooting a human child in the face is the same as going skiing, why shouldn't we shoot human children in the face?" Your assumption is at the heart of the problem. Human meat is not just like pig meat, and thus there are human-specific reasons against cannibalism that do not apply to eating other meat.

Lets rephrase the question then:

Suppose scientists find a way to grow a "human" arm in a (pretty big) petri dish. "Human" here means that if you put it next to an arm chopped of a human being you would be unable to tell which is the artificially grown one - the only difference is that the grown arm would have never been attached to a person. Is it wrong to eat it - and if so - why ?

Mabye I wasn't clear. The question I want answered is: Assuming human meat is jsut like pig meat, why shouldn't we eat it?
Indeed why not. In the past human societies have considered acceptable to eat other humans. So, if the food is healthy and you can work past the moral and ethical dilemmas (not to mention legal), then gobble up!

Although my guess is that meat will be grown in a form that doesn't look like any animal.

U are all disgusting:mad: and you soud be thrown into an institution :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

*smacks you on the head with a liver*

I thought that Mad Cow Disease was from cows eating dead cows in their feed. And I thought I read about cannibals having a form of that disease...

Yeah, but that's only if you eat brain matter.

Indeed why not. In the past human societies have considered acceptable to eat other humans. So, if the food is healthy and you can work past the moral and ethical dilemmas (not to mention legal), then gobble up!

Although my guess is that meat will be grown in a form that doesn't look like any animal.nope, would be grown in Human shape. I belive that is what the orignator of the thread wants. It's human in every way but birth.

oh... and in some cultures, they only eat certain parts of the body. not the whole thing, and not as the whole meal. Usually partaking in a ritual, not daily life.

Lets rephrase the question then:

Suppose scientists find a way to grow a "human" arm in a (pretty big) petri dish. "Human" here means that if you put it next to an arm chopped of a human being you would be unable to tell which is the artificially grown one - the only difference is that the grown arm would have never been attached to a person. Is it wrong to eat it - and if so - why ?
In my opinion? Hell no. I'll even go you one better: if it were possible to grow an entire human body, but to exclude the growth of any of the human nervous system, I would be comfortable using that kind of "human" body for food.

You know, there's a very easy end-around to this entire debate.

Hufu -- human flesh alternative. (http://www.eathufu.com/home.asp)

;)

They could market it in the U.S. as: I Cant Believe It's Not Human. :D

Could someone explain to me why it would be wrong to eat humans like this, when it is not wrong to eat a pig or cow?
You get Diseases.
Also is there a reaon why it is wrong to eat a human that you did not kill?
Yes and no.Yes because if it died of old age it would be all stringy.
No if it is like certain Uruguan Rugby Teams.
Because I can't see myself eating people. Mabye its just the way I was raised.
Yes or you have some common sense.

the only way I'll eat a human is if it's female.


and her knees are postitioned comfortably over my shoulders allowing for freedom of movement, able to hear her responses and, of course breathing...


*can't believe no one thought of this reply.*

the only way I'll eat a human is if it's female.


and her knees are postitioned comfortably over my shoulders allowing for freedom of movement, able to hear her responses and, of course breathing...


*can't believe no one thought of this reply.*
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It's just a cultural taboo quirk of many people, and a poorly based one, at that. There's nothing special about a corpse, including a person's. I fail to see why cannabalism is banned. In a number of cultures, it has significant positive spiritual attachments, and others it is simply an effective means of utilizing newly available resources that would otherwise go to waste.

In a number of cultures, it has significant positive spiritual attachments, and others it is simply an effective means of utilizing newly available resources that would otherwise go to waste.

Whaa?
As far as I'm aware, first of all those statements should have been in the past tense, and secondly, cannibalism was never about "utilizing availbale resources" but strictly reserved for ceremonial/religious/traditional purposes, as evidenced in the fact that only the brain of enemies was ever eaten, not their legs or a juicy piece of loin.

Whaa?
As far as I'm aware, first of all those statements should have been in the past tense, and secondly, cannibalism was never about "utilizing availbale resources" but strictly reserved for ceremonial/religious/traditional purposes, as evidenced in the fact that only the brain of enemies was ever eaten, not their legs or a juicy piece of loin.
I thought it was their Heart, where Courage resides as well as ther loins where it was thought vitality and spiritual power would then pass to the consumer...

then again, I really don't study cannabalism... so...

Soylent Cola, anyone?

Meat cows are fed ground up cow and we wonder why we have diseases and are fat.

I thought that Mad Cow Disease was from cows eating dead cows in their feed. And I thought I read about cannibals having a form of that disease...
Well, it happened in the X-Files. Series 2, episode 24 'Our Town'. Members of a small-town-America community contracted CJD (the human form of BSE) from eating a guy who had the disease.

nope, would be grown in Human shape. I belive that is what the orignator of the thread wants. It's human in every way but birth.
I meant in reality, when it's possible to grow meat in a lab. Not too farfetched, by the way.

oh... and in some cultures, they only eat certain parts of the body. not the whole thing, and not as the whole meal. Usually partaking in a ritual, not daily life.
And in others they eat the whole person to compensate for a lack of other sources of protein. There are many cultures.

They could market it in the U.S. as: I Cant Believe It's Not Human. :D
Now with authentic granma flavoring.

Now with authentic granma flavoring.
crunchey! :D

Could someone explain to me why it would be wrong to eat humans like this, when it is not wrong to eat a pig or cow?

Also is there a reaon why it is wrong to eat a human that you did not kill?

Because I can't see myself eating people. Mabye its just the way I was raised.
Mammalian cannablism leads to diseases such as Mad Cow Disease (BSD, caused by the process of grinning up sheep and cow left overs into there own high-protien feed.)
Feed people people can soon enough the same thing will happen again. This is why cannablism while common in tribal sociaties was usually only a ceremonal and occasional practice. Places where is it common place (some locations in Papa New Guinea) they do suffer from the human version of BSD.
That's the ethical reason.
The moral reason is upto each individual to decide.
I draw the line at eating animals that are above an arbitrary level of intelligence that I determine for myself and reevaluate when I learn of more information regarding intelligence of animals.

And I'll point out now that only the average intelligence for the species is taken into account, not the individuals. So no saying oh it's ok to eat a "vegetable" then.

I think I've read about that, too. It makes sense, since we know for sure that feeding livestock on particular things can alter the flavor of the meat. Other than seafood, I can't think of many carnivorous species that are high-ranking on our list of favorite meats. Can anybody else?

i'm pretty sure bears are omniverous,however i believe their diet is mainly plants and berries,or fish.
the occasional hapless camper or injured deer or wolf are probably the only meat they eat.

i tried bear meat once,it was just ok,i wouldnt intentionally seek it out unless i was really hungry.

I meant in reality, when it's possible to grow meat in a lab. Not too farfetched, by the way.synthetic meat is different from what the original proposal is. which is Human meat, cloned and grown in a lab.

And in others they eat the whole person to compensate for a lack of other sources of protein. There are many cultures.really? which cultures and since some vegitables, Nuts, roots as well as other animals (including fish), provide protein, where are they? Pretty damned isolated if nothing can be shipped in/traded with them.

really? which cultures and since some vegitables, Nuts, roots as well as other animals (including fish), provide protein, where are they? Pretty damned isolated if nothing can be shipped in/traded with them.
Some cultures living in very remote, isolated, and kinda small islands in the Pacific used to do that, what today is Indonesia and New Guinea. They didn't do it all the time, of course, but they had to eat some of the people on the other side of the island to get the protein they needed. I don't know why they couldn't get enough from other sources, perhaps their technology was not up to it.

Anyway, not done anymore (unless there's an undiscovered stone-age culture somewhere living in the deepest of the Amazon or the Congo, but that seems unlikely). Oh, I see I wrote the original statement in present tense, should have been past tense.

Some cultures living in very remote, isolated, and kinda small islands in the Pacific used to do that, what today is Indonesia and New Guinea. They didn't do it all the time, of course, but they had to eat some of the people on the other side of the island to get the protein they needed. I don't know why they couldn't get enough from other sources, perhaps their technology was not up to it.

Anyway, not done anymore (unless there's an undiscovered stone-age culture somewhere living in the deepest of the Amazon or the Congo, but that seems unlikely). Oh, I see I wrote the original statement in present tense, should have been past tense.yeah, that did throw me off there... :D

thought they found a new tribe of people in some Isolated area...