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A trailer of the movie "Flight 93" has just been released. - Based on the infamous hijacked plane that crashed before reaching it's target.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/flight93/

Granted, one of three that I'm aware of thusfar. One being a piece devoted the to the World Trade Center, starring Nicholas "Ghost Rider" Cage and directed by Oliver Stone.

Personally, I think it's waaaaaaaay too soon.

I disagree. We're never going to get over what happened if we continue to treat it as some sort of taboo.

This was kind of interesting, from an article linked on the Oliver Stone page for his movie on imdb-
Hollywood appears to have waited a respectable amount of time before producing a movie about the 9/11 events, Purdue University film expert William J. Palmer, observed Wednesday. "Just like a spouse mourning a death, there is a proper time to wait before one starts dating. The same is true for Hollywood. With past events, such as the Vietnam War and Watergate, there was a two-year gap before films were produced. The trend is different for 9/11," Palmer said in a statement released by the University.

Though that doesn't seem to take into account a few things. Two years is the gestation period for a standard movie, and Green Berets was made during the Vietnam war, wasn't it?

I have to be honest, one of the first things I said to my collaborator when this happened was "How long do you think before we can use this?" Though I didn't want to do the story of the events specifically, but rather use them as a catalyst to another story.

Oliver Stone is a good director. Combine this with his political biases and this should be a good, interesting film.

A trailer of the movie "Flight 93" has just been released. - Based on the infamous hijacked plane that crashed before reaching it's target.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/flight93/

Granted, one of three that I'm aware of thusfar. One being a piece devoted the to the World Trade Center, starring Nicholas "Ghost Rider" Cage and directed by Oliver Stone.

Personally, I think it's waaaaaaaay too soon.

I think it's needed. We've forgotten about 9/11 already. I hope it shows lots of photos of Bin Laden and his raghead army and gets people ANGRY. Maybe they could put in an 30 second commercial for the US military with a 1-800 hotline.

It took them long enough. It was 5 years ago, if people can't get over what happened to the extent that it isn't such taboo now then it'll never happen.

maybe there are massive numbers of people who ache to see a movie about 9/11. if so, i hope they enjoy these

personally, i have absolutely no interest in seeing one.

Is it too soon? i wouldn't want to go see it.. I know how it ends..

I think it's needed. We've forgotten about 9/11 already. I hope it shows lots of photos of Bin Laden and his raghead army and gets people ANGRY. Maybe they could put in an 30 second commercial for the US military with a 1-800 hotline.

Why? So the US can go off and invade some other place, even though Bin Laden hasn't attacked the US since 9/11? Thats like making a movie about pearl harbor in 1947 telling people to go and "f1gHt tEh ev1l J8pAneZe!11!!".

The time for revenge is gone.

I think it's needed. We've forgotten about 9/11 already. I hope it shows lots of photos of Bin Laden and his raghead army and gets people ANGRY. Maybe they could put in an 30 second commercial for the US military with a 1-800 hotline.

Hmm...looks like someone wants 9/11 to become the American Reichstag Fire.

I think it's needed. We've forgotten about 9/11 already. I hope it shows lots of photos of Bin Laden and his raghead army and gets people ANGRY. Maybe they could put in an 30 second commercial for the US military with a 1-800 hotline.

Because propaganda and unthinking anger are such a good thing...

I think 9-11 is being forgotten.

Remember: When history is forgotten is when history repeats itself. I wonder how many 9-11's and Pearl Harbors it will take before people actually stop forgetting and start preventing. The future is not set in stone. I wonder how the radical(and I mean radical, like Pat Robertson radical) liberals will react when a conservative-biased 9-11 movie is made. There was already a liberal version that sorta focused on 9-11(Micheal Mooron, people want a 9-11 movie based on 9-11, not Bush), but that was more anti-Bush propoganda instead of a factual movie based on the event in question. Oh well. Iraq is turning into Vietnam, complete with protestors and liberals trying to ruin our efforts by calling for either an immediate withdrawal or a timetable set in stone using actual dates.(If you tell the enemy when you'll leave, they'll just hide until then) I want a progress-driven timetable. Use the system the military uses(d-day=day of operation,h-hour is hour when operation starts. Prevents confusion). I'll shut up now before the radical politicians hear me.

C'mon now. Is anyone seriously going, "What was it that happened on 9/11?"

If anyone has forgotten it would be the administration, lost in thier fools crusade that has little or nothing to do with 9/11.

It should be remembered, yes. The events in the middle east that caused it should be remembered, and everyone should try to stop them happening again. But the idea of making a propaganda film about the "evil muslims" and "a bunch of ragheads" is abhorrent to me. To use the deaths of innocent people to create a reason to whoop the ass of commies, muslims and anyone else you don't like isn't really going to solve any problems, whatever hollywood may have taught you.

A trailer of the movie "Flight 93" has just been released. - Based on the infamous hijacked plane that crashed before reaching its target. Personally, I think it's waaaaaaaay too soon.
I agree. And I honestly don't think any director or actor can do it justice until at least ten years have passed to give all of us a bit of perspective.

Bump.

C'mon now. Is anyone seriously going, "What was it that happened on 9/11?"

If anyone has forgotten it would be the administration, lost in thier fools crusade that has little or nothing to do with 9/11.

The 11th September that has been forgotten by the American people is the one that happened in '73. Any takers?

The 11th September that has been forgotten by the American people is the one that happened in '73. Any takers?
Chile

There was already a liberal version that sorta focused on 9-11(Micheal Mooron, people want a 9-11 movie based on 9-11, not Bush), but that was more anti-Bush propoganda instead of a factual movie based on the event in question.
Just because the title contained the "9/11" punchline (since when is that how we pronounce dates?) does not mean that that is the topic it is about.
Moore's movie was about what happened then, and since and wasn't covered in the mainstream media. Things like the involvement of major US players in the Al-Saud and Bin Laden family businesses, the way the Patriot Act was passed, the idiocy of going to war in Iraq when it is a completely different place, and the idea that simple people are sent to die for people who are so rich that they really don't know anymore what to do with their money.

Michael Moore never made "anti-Bush propaganda". He started making anti-corporate films when corporations abandoned his home and left it a desolate zone. Bush is just the modern face of corporatism to him, and that's why he focusses on him a lot these days.

Oh well. Iraq is turning into Vietnam, complete with protestors and liberals trying to ruin our efforts by calling for either an immediate withdrawal or a timetable set in stone using actual dates.
Yeah, like you could have won Vietnam if you'd stayed any longer. I'm telling you right now: If you were still there, you still wouldn't have won.
And please - read up what the word "liberal" means: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/

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As for the movie...it'll be made for US Audiences, so I probably won't be able to bear watching it. Complete with tear-jerking, patriotism en masse and all-American heroism.

Hollywood has failed to make political movies. I don't think it ever made a good one that wasn't just blatant propaganda for one side or another.

Chile

Good man yourself.

Of course it's too soon, it hasn't been 22.3 years yet.

"...and in the second shot of the ATC radar, the plane appears displaces to top and to the right, top and to the right, top and to the right..."

the inevitable "banking off of tragedy" scheme is happening again.

bet you in a month or two there will be talks of a Sago Mine movie.

Good man yourself.
You have to admit that on a political forum the Pinochet thing is a bit of a Rueben.

I think it's needed. We've forgotten about 9/11 already. I hope it shows lots of photos of Bin Laden and his raghead army and gets people ANGRY. Maybe they could put in an 30 second commercial for the US military with a 1-800 hotline.

Wow, you had me until the term "Raghead". It would be kind of nice to not have to deal with racial slurs on an already testy topic, so keep that to a minimal, please.

I don't think it's too soon, although there will be people on both sides of the argument... It's not something you can keep out of history, and if this is done appropriately and not melodramatically (I think the drama speaks for itself) then this could pay great honor to something that shouldn't have happened, but did, and will be a poignant mark in American history forever.

Wow, you had me until the term "Raghead". It would be kind of nice to not have to deal with racial slurs on an already testy topic, so keep that to a minimal, please.

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At best this is tacky, at worst it is profiteering from misery. And in any case, it's another sign that Hollywood is out of ideas.

Personally, I think it's waaaaaaaay too soon.

Not for no heart, soul, emotion, or humanity Hollywood.

What the hell is the matter with everyone? It is just a movie. It is a movie so that the studios can make money. It is for entertainment. It is so the actors and producers and everyone else involved can make money.

Did you forget we live in a capitalistic society.

Ironic - that why they hate us.

I think 9-11 is being forgotten.

Remember: When history is forgotten is when history repeats itself. I wonder how many 9-11's and Pearl Harbors it will take before people actually stop forgetting and start preventing. The future is not set in stone. I wonder how the radical(and I mean radical, like Pat Robertson radical) liberals will react when a conservative-biased 9-11 movie is made. There was already a liberal version that sorta focused on 9-11(Micheal Mooron, people want a 9-11 movie based on 9-11, not Bush), but that was more anti-Bush propoganda instead of a factual movie based on the event in question. Oh well. Iraq is turning into Vietnam, complete with protestors and liberals trying to ruin our efforts by calling for either an immediate withdrawal or a timetable set in stone using actual dates.(If you tell the enemy when you'll leave, they'll just hide until then) I want a progress-driven timetable. Use the system the military uses(d-day=day of operation,h-hour is hour when operation starts. Prevents confusion). I'll shut up now before the radical politicians hear me.
9/11 isn't being forgotten. the wounds are healing. Ask anyone who understood what was happening (I would say 6 or 7th grade when it happened up) where they were when they found out, and they will tell you. Not talking about it constantly does not equal forgetting.

Farenheit 9/11 also had very little to do with 9/11 itself. The point of the title was pulling from 451. 451 named because that is when paper burns, 9/11 because that is when the nations "firestorm" started. The only reason 9/11 was mentioned was because that was when the wars started, and THAT is what the movie was ultimatly about.

A set exit plan is not too much to ask for. A well planned war has one from the first second of combat. We had one for Germany and Japan. Iraq is not, nor will it ever be, Vietnam. I think Eut would agree with me on this, although I know he sees alot of similarities (not to say I don't). I think our country learned alot of lessons from Vietnam. Vietnam had so many other factors that Iraq does not currently (nor do I think ever will) have.


as for the movie, I'm not sure. I have interest in seeing it, but I agree with Eut that it can't really be handled properly just yet. five years is the beginning of healing. I hope the movies will handle the subject properly, but I can't judge that untill I see it.

I have to disagree. I live in NY, have all my life, and it's being forgotten here..Pretty pathetic.

I have to disagree. I live in NY, have all my life, and it's being forgotten here..Pretty pathetic.
I'm in CT...while we don't talk about it every waking minute, I hardly think that is "forgetting". It is moving on. We don't talk about Oklahoma City or Pearl Harbor or whathaveyou always, but that doesn't mean we've forgotten them. We've just moved on. Why just sit there and harp on it and not progress? Was it tragic? yes. Should we spend the next 100 years talking about only that and not getting on with life and not remembering that NYC is a living city, not a museam? no.

As for the movie...it'll be made for US Audiences, so I probably won't be able to bear watching it. Complete with tear-jerking, patriotism en masse and all-American heroism.

Hollywood has failed to make political movies. I don't think it ever made a good one that wasn't just blatant propaganda for one side or another.


OH, THE HORRORS!

I have to disagree. I live in NY, have all my life, and it's being forgotten here..Pretty pathetic.
Seriously now, you're running into people going, "Oh yeah, didn't we used to have two trade towers a while ago? What happened to them again?"

What is the criteria for 'forgetting?' People aren't dropping to thier knees every twenty minutes, ripping their shirts and wailing? Are they missing it as a trivia question on game shows? Do they not start their conversations with the sentence "The events of 9/11..." What is the criteria that claims that somehow people have forgotten 9/11?

Why? So the US can go off and invade some other place, even though Bin Laden hasn't attacked the US since 9/11? Thats like making a movie about pearl harbor in 1947 telling people to go and "f1gHt tEh ev1l J8pAneZe!11!!".

The time for revenge is gone.

So we're going to sit and dick around? No. He's still out there, and there are plenty of juicy targets. It's not revenge, it's justice.

Clinton screwed us with that kind of thinking-hit him with some cruises missiles then forget about him. We'd be fools to think the same.

So we're going to sit and dick around? No. He's still out there, and there are plenty of juicy targets. It's not revenge, it's justice.

Clinton screwed us with that kind of thinking-hit him with some cruises missiles then forget about him. We'd be fools to think the same.
It wasn't so much 'forget about him,' it just seemed that at the time everyone else was more focused on whether he got his willy wacked or not. Seems far less important all things considered, but we've been saying that all along...

I disagree. We're never going to get over what happened if we continue to treat it as some sort of taboo.

Hey I was over it a day after it happened. People all over the world die in droves. A boat capsizes, sixthousand die, most american don't even notice it happened.

Besides, any event that kicks murrca (despite of the poor victims of the 911 attacks) in the groin is good. In my world the US is a fascist superpower guilty of several acts of genocide just as were the USSR and Nazi Germany. We need to live in a world with no superpowers FAST.

I think 9-11 is being forgotten. Remember: When history is forgotten is when history repeats itself. I wonder how many 9-11's and Pearl Harbors it will take before people actually stop forgetting and start preventing. The future is not set in stone. I wonder how the radical(and I mean radical, like Pat Robertson radical) liberals will react when a conservative-biased 9-11 movie is made. There was already a liberal version that sorta focused on 9-11(Micheal Mooron, people want a 9-11 movie based on 9-11, not Bush), but that was more anti-Bush propoganda instead of a factual movie based on the event in question. Oh well. Iraq is turning into Vietnam, complete with protestors and liberals trying to ruin our efforts by calling for either an immediate withdrawal or a timetable set in stone using actual dates.(If you tell the enemy when you'll leave, they'll just hide until then) I want a progress-driven timetable. Use the system the military uses(d-day=day of operation,h-hour is hour when operation starts. Prevents confusion). I'll shut up now before the radical politicians hear me.

Well I'd like a movie how the U.S. will look after the dollar crashes, the housing bubble bursts, a barrel of oil costs 200$, terrorist nukes lay waste to LA and NY and the rest of the world has stopped giving a damn about the U.S. Purely hypothetical movie ofcourse, but great entertainment.

It's not revenge, it's justice.

A billion people are almost certainly looking at the U.S. and thinking the same. Hmmm... how about a nice little nuke in *that* city...hmmmm *yummy*.

I have to disagree. I live in NY, have all my life, and it's being forgotten here..Pretty pathetic.


I saw that NY has been forgetting little by little what happened that day. granted i wasn't living in NY when it happened but i lived there from 2003-2005, and I will say for a city that received a terrorist attack, their attitude towards life or each other changed very little.

After all, if there's only one thing America is fantastically good at, it's profiting mightily from human misery and suffering.

I say make it a weekly TV series, with spin-off franchises.

OH, THE HORRORS!
Well, for me, not being the targetted audience, you'd have to agree that it will be a rather annoying bore.

Is it too soon? i wouldn't want to go see it.. I know how it ends..

Actually the ending could be a more upbeat one. They are rebuilding North Tower as a bigger wider Freedom Tower to stand up against terrorism.

Actually the ending could be a more upbeat one. They are rebuilding North Tower as a bigger wider Freedom Tower to stand up against terrorism.
Oh the irony once that gets blown up too, hey?

What a pissing contest. They could've left it as a memorial site. Or just used it to build normal business areas.
But no, it had to be "Teh Freedom Tower!!!!!11!!!one!!!"

And not only that - it won't even be the highest once it's done.

If people want to make money off of something, I could care less. I probably won’t see it because I have better things to do with two hours.
Oh the irony once that gets blown up too, hey?

What a pissing contest. They could've left it as a memorial site. Or just used it to build normal business areas.
But no, it had to be "Teh Freedom Tower!!!!!11!!!one!!!"

And not only that - it won't even be the highest once it's done.
On top of that, the Freedom Tower doesn’t even match New York architecture. It looks like shit.

The 11th September that has been forgotten by the American people is the one that happened in '73. Any takers?
Give it a rest, any loss of life on this scale is a tragedy :mad:

Seriously now, you're running into people going, "Oh yeah, didn't we used to have two trade towers a while ago? What happened to them again?"

What is the criteria for 'forgetting?' People aren't dropping to thier knees every twenty minutes, ripping their shirts and wailing? Are they missing it as a trivia question on game shows? Do they not start their conversations with the sentence "The events of 9/11..." What is the criteria that claims that somehow people have forgotten 9/11?

It's not even about that nor would I mean that. I mean that the entire scale of what happened that day is like "Oh yeah, that did happen huh? Oh well, so did you hear about the new Botox?" Or something like that. Americans have such a short attention span its insulting to be one, in that regard.

I saw that NY has been forgetting little by little what happened that day. granted i wasn't living in NY when it happened but i lived there from 2003-2005, and I will say for a city that received a terrorist attack, their attitude towards life or each other changed very little.

Yeah I know. People are whining about having their bags mildly searched on the subway because of what happened elsewhere. They would rather have a terrorist bring in 2 gallons of sarin gas and detonate it then have their gay porno magazine seen by someone, it's just annoying.

It's not even about that nor would I mean that. I mean that the entire scale of what happened that day is like "Oh yeah, that did happen huh? Oh well, so did you hear about the new Botox?" Or something like that. Americans have such a short attention span its insulting to be one, in that regard.
What is a 'new botox,' it's a method. Not really the point. I would challenge the notion that you are seriously running into people who are actually saying, "Oh yeah, that did happen, huh?" Unless you have a lot of conversations with Anna Nicole Smith, Jessica Simpson, and Paris Hilton.



Yeah I know. People are whining about having their bags mildly searched on the subway because of what happened elsewhere. They would rather have a terrorist bring in 2 gallons of sarin gas and detonate it then have their gay porno magazine seen by someone, it's just annoying.
This is the meat of the matter, now isn't it? You're claim that people are 'forgetting' is based on the notion that they will not let it be used as an excuse for policy, isn't it? The rest is mere construction.

What is a 'new botox,' it's a method. Not really the point. I would challenge the notion that you are seriously running into people who are actually saying, "Oh yeah, that did happen, huh?" Unless you have a lot of conversations with Anna Nicole Smith, Jessica Simpson, and Paris Hilton.




This is the meat of the matter, now isn't it? You're claim that people are 'forgetting' is based on the notion that they will not let it be used as an excuse for policy, isn't it? The rest is mere construction.

They are forgetting the entire incident, the lessons learned, and the fixes because they feel they are unnecessary, unwanted, or unhelpful.

They are forgetting the entire incident, the lessons learned, and the fixes because they feel they are unnecessary, unwanted, or unhelpful.
The truth out, no one is 'forgetting the entire incident', that's sheer construction meant to reduce those you disagree with. They're just not supporting the responses you are.

At least be honest with yourself.

The truth out, no one is 'forgetting the entire incident', that's sheer construction meant to reduce those you disagree with. They're just not supporting the responses you are.

At least be honest with yourself.

I'm sorry, where in NY are you that you are experiencing something different then me?

I'm sorry, where in NY are you that you are experiencing something different then me?

How the hell do we know that you're even in New York?

How the hell do we know that you're even in New York?

Bronx resident, Elmont native, my phone number has a 516 area code, I live near Saint Raymond's Old Cemetery, and I love my state.

Bronx resident, Elmont native, my phone number has a 516 area code, I live near Saint Raymond's Old Cemetery, and I love my state.

Give us your phone number...So we can, er, check it out...sure...yeah...

Give us your phone number...So we can, er, check it out...sure...yeah...

Yeah

516-Now-ay!!

I'm sorry, where in NY are you that you are experiencing something different then me?
Let's just say you've made an unconvincing case.

Yeah

516-Now-ay!!
Poo.

Let's just say you've made an unconvincing case.

I don't really know how to relay the situations I've had with people who, unfortunately, would rather disregard everything learned in regards to all that we've experienced, uncovered, and investigated. Too many people don't even realize that 9.11.01 was the second attack on the WTC and they argue that '93 ever happened. I understand many of them probably have the IQ of a dog but quite others have shown themselves to be rather intelligent in other areas but when it comes to city history they just vanish off into a fog of today's latest reality show or headline. It's almost as frustrating as talking to someone who can't place Iraq on a map, man there are way too many of them.

I don't really know how to relay the situations I've had with people who, unfortunately, would rather disregard everything learned in regards to all that we've experienced, uncovered, and investigated. Too many people don't even realize that 9.11.01 was the second attack on the WTC and they argue that '93 ever happened. I understand many of them probably have the IQ of a dog but quite others have shown themselves to be rather intelligent in other areas but when it comes to city history they just vanish off into a fog of today's latest reality show or headline. It's almost as frustrating as talking to someone who can't place Iraq on a map, man there are way too many of them.
Yeah, still sounds like "They don't agree with my reaction and policy beliefs as a reaction to 9/11 ergo they must have forgotten all together."

Yeah, still sounds like "They don't agree with my reaction and policy beliefs as a reaction to 9/11 ergo they must have forgotten all together."

Not at all.

Oliver Stone is a good director. Combine this with his political biases and this should be a good, interesting film.
Oliver Stone is a moron who made a generation of Americans conspiracy theorirsts when he misled them on the JFK assassination. The facts have come out and shows that there was no "magic bullet." The bullet trajectory from the window Oswald was at matches the entry and exit wounds on McConnoly and the entry wound on Kennedy, who's seat was 6 inches inboard of McConnoly explaining how it "moved" to the left. Stone lost all the respect I had for him with that crappy lie of a movie.

Oliver Stone is a moron who made a generation of Americans conspiracy theorirsts when he misled them on the JFK assassination. The facts have come out and shows that there was no "magic bullet." The bullet trajectory from the window Oswald was at matches the entry and exit wounds on McConnoly and the entry wound on Kennedy, who's seat was 6 inches inboard of McConnoly explaining how it "moved" to the left. Stone lost all the respect I had for him with that crappy lie of a movie.
What movie was that? I guess I missed it.

Oliver Stone is a moron who made a generation of Americans conspiracy theorirsts when he misled them on the JFK assassination. The facts have come out and shows that there was no "magic bullet." The bullet trajectory from the window Oswald was at matches the entry and exit wounds on McConnoly and the entry wound on Kennedy, who's seat was 6 inches inboard of McConnoly explaining how it "moved" to the left. Stone lost all the respect I had for him with that crappy lie of a movie.

Yes. Have you seen that thing on Discovery channel where they go to recreate the entire incident? They actually did using a single marksman using the same rifle in the same conditions and physics and everything. I thought that was quite amazing but they proved that a single marksman could do the job firing three rounds, the first one missing and the last two hitting in exactly the same way. It shook my understanding of the situation.

Yes. Have you seen that thing on Discovery channel where they go to recreate the entire incident? They actually did using a single marksman using the same rifle in the same conditions and physics and everything. I thought that was quite amazing but they proved that a single marksman could do the job firing three rounds, the first one missing and the last two hitting in exactly the same way. It shook my understanding of the situation.
I saw that. Also remember Oswald had Marine training and could hit a target out to about 500 yards. JFK was about 100 yards away and while moving, he was moving slowly and in a straight line.

You are right about this country forgetting about 9/11. It is sickening. Darryl Worrley hit the nail on the head on why we are fighting today. It is sick how many people don't even think we should be in Afghanistan let alone Iraq. I've had it with that bitch Cindy Sheehan. Her son was in support of the war. That is why he re-enlisted in 2004.

Oliver Stone is a moron who made a generation of Americans conspiracy theorirsts when he misled them on the JFK assassination. The facts have come out and shows that there was no "magic bullet." The bullet trajectory from the window Oswald was at matches the entry and exit wounds on McConnoly and the entry wound on Kennedy, who's seat was 6 inches inboard of McConnoly explaining how it "moved" to the left. Stone lost all the respect I had for him with that crappy lie of a movie.
Yeah, cause prior to that film no one thought it was some sort of conspiracy...

I saw that. Also remember Oswald had Marine training and could hit a target out to about 500 yards. JFK was about 100 yards away and while moving, he was moving slowly and in a straight line.

You are right about this country forgetting about 9/11. It is sickening. Darryl Worrley hit the nail on the head on why we are fighting today. It is sick how many people don't even think we should be in Afghanistan let alone Iraq. I've had it with that bitch Cindy Sheehan. Her son was in support of the war. That is why he re-enlisted in 2004.
uh huh...my friend lost his fiancee. Should he wear black for the rest of his life and bitch that she died? I'm not saying it isn't tragic...she was an amazing woman. But what more do you want? It is five years later. It is time to move on. Holding a grudge and having a pissing contest to build a bigger building to stick it in their faces isn't about to do shit.

there are also many MANY reasons to reenlist, or hell, enlist in the first place. I have friends in Afghanistan and Iraq who don't support the war. I have friends there who do. Painting with a wide brush doesn't work all that well. And I'm just going to hazard a guess that you never met Sheehan, and therefore are in no place to make a character judgement.

It's not even about that nor would I mean that. I mean that the entire scale of what happened that day is like "Oh yeah, that did happen huh? Oh well, so did you hear about the new Botox?" Or something like that. Americans have such a short attention span its insulting to be one, in that regard.

Yeah I know. People are whining about having their bags mildly searched on the subway because of what happened elsewhere. They would rather have a terrorist bring in 2 gallons of sarin gas and detonate it then have their gay porno magazine seen by someone, it's just annoying.
noone has forgotten it. The fact that they are considering making a movie about it that is getting press and people think it may be too soon is proof of that.
What exactly happened, minute for minute, on december 7th at pearl harbor? Does the fact that you can't recount it mean that you've forgotten it happened?

As for the searches, it may just be me, but we have rights in the constitution against that. when they show me a warrant, they can search. Untill then, keep the fuck out of my bag. The fact is that if people want to get away with something, they will. looking through grandmas purse isn't gonna stop them, esp. considering there are millions who take the NYC subway, and they checked maybe 2%. Oh yeah, that's gonna stop them durn turrists.

Also, one would not detonate a gas. Just nitpicking now, but yeah.

Fact is, terrorists aren't stupid. 9/11 was planned for years. London was not. Note the huge difference in how it was executed and "success" (for lack of a better word). They follow the same procedures the military uses to find weakness and exploit it. Kneejerk reactions aren't gonna stop them.

Yeah, cause prior to that film no one thought it was some sort of conspiracy...
Some people did think there was a conspiracy, but he instilled it in a new generation of young people and intentionally misrepresented known facts.

I think it's needed. We've forgotten about 9/11 already. I hope it shows lots of photos of Bin Laden and his raghead army and gets people ANGRY. Maybe they could put in an 30 second commercial for the US military with a 1-800 hotline.
Why?

Because propaganda and unthinking anger are such a good thing...
Most of the time ARF seems to be a reasonable guy, but then he says things like that which show frighteningly fascist leanings.

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Yeehaw, let's burn some crosses! :rolleyes:

Not for no heart, soul, emotion, or humanity Hollywood.
Americans luv capitalism.

Besides, any event that kicks murrca (despite of the poor victims of the 911 attacks) in the groin is good. In my world the US is a fascist superpower guilty of several acts of genocide just as were the USSR and Nazi Germany. We need to live in a world with no superpowers FAST.

Fucking idiot. 9/11 did nothing but kill those who least deserved death, and it actually empowered the more fascist elements of the US Government.