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Woman finds assault rifle, turns son in to cops
CTV.ca News Staff

A Toronto woman discovered an AK-47 assault rifle in her son's bedroom and immediately made sure the 17-year-old was put behind bars.

"I was in shock," the mother told CTV News.

She found the weapon in her son's bed, along with an unknown number of ammunition rounds. The mother called police and turned the weapon, and her son, over to officers.

Police arrested the boy. He and the mother cannot be identified due to the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

Now the teenager is facing 13 charges, including:

Possession of a firearm knowing its possession is unauthorized.
Unauthorized possession of a firearm
Careless storage of a firearm
Possession of a weapon contrary to a prohibition order
Possession of property obtained by crime
Possession of cocaine
Police say the AK-47 was loaded when the weapon was seized.

Originally developed for the Soviet Army in 1947, the gun is capable of firing 600 rounds of ammunition per minute.

Police told CTV that the woman did the right thing, and she agrees.

"If he has got one gun like that, maybe he's got more," she said.

Speaking with CTV's Jim Junkin, the woman said if more parents followed her example, there would be fewer shootings and murders on city streets.

"I absolutely believe that. I think they harbour their kids. I think they don't supervise them enough. I would just safely say that there are guns out there that parents know about and they are not turning them in."

According to the mother, this is not the first time her son has been in jail. However, she hopes her tough love will make the teenager change his ways and potentially save his life.

"I don't want to be one of those parents crying on TV because their son got killed."

A bail hearing will take place on Thursday for the 17-year-old.

The mother said she will not bail him out.

Finally a parent who has done the right thing. It's time to get rid of these punks and get them in jail and stop the violence before it starts. Good for her!!!!

Yep. Was the AK a semi or full auto?

No you're wrong. The mother should have called the police on the gun, not her son. Obviously the gun was hiding out in her sons room after committing crimes and spoke to him in his sleep to keep him from turning it in. He was an innocent victim of a gun crime.

No you're wrong. The mother should have called the police on the gun, not her son. Obviously the gun was hiding out in her sons room after committing crimes and spoke to him in his sleep to keep him from turning it in. He was an innocent victim of a gun crime.


LOL! Gotta watch those guns, they a sneaky way of causing everything that's wrong with this world. :D

No you're wrong. The mother should have called the police on the gun, not her son. Obviously the gun was hiding out in her sons room after committing crimes and spoke to him in his sleep to keep him from turning it in. He was an innocent victim of a gun crime.
AK-47: "The bullets made me do it, man! They were speaking to me, inside my chamber. I had to do it, man, they told me to do it."

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Yep. Was the AK a semi or full auto?

I'ld put my money on semi. Even though the article supports the mothers actions (yay mom), I wouldn't rely on their technical accuracy.

AK-47: "The bullets made me do it, man! They were speaking to me, inside my chamber. I had to do it, man, they told me to do it."

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Bullets have little to do w/ it. It's the kinetic energy behind them.

BAN KINETIC ENERGY!!!!

Well, while everyone knows my stance on gun ownership and gun control. I am happy to see it for once someone who has shown that they will use thiers for malicious intent be taken in. This kid obviously has issues that would keep him from being a responcible owner.

Well, while everyone knows my stance on gun ownership and gun control. I am happy to see it for once someone who has shown that they will use thier for malicious intent be taken in. This kid obviously has issues that would keep him from being a responcible owner.

That whole prior conviction and cocaine possession thing, yeah.

Gee, thanks mom. What a sucky parent.

Woman finds assault rifle, turns son in to cops
CTV.ca News Staff

A Toronto woman discovered an AK-47 assault rifle in her son's bedroom and immediately made sure the 17-year-old was put behind bars.

"I was in shock," the mother told CTV News.

She found the weapon in her son's bed, along with an unknown number of ammunition rounds. The mother called police and turned the weapon, and her son, over to officers.

Police arrested the boy. He and the mother cannot be identified due to the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

Now the teenager is facing 13 charges, including:

Possession of a firearm knowing its possession is unauthorized.
Unauthorized possession of a firearm
Careless storage of a firearm
Possession of a weapon contrary to a prohibition order
Possession of property obtained by crime
Possession of cocaine
Police say the AK-47 was loaded when the weapon was seized.

Originally developed for the Soviet Army in 1947, the gun is capable of firing 600 rounds of ammunition per minute.

Police told CTV that the woman did the right thing, and she agrees.

"If he has got one gun like that, maybe he's got more," she said.

Speaking with CTV's Jim Junkin, the woman said if more parents followed her example, there would be fewer shootings and murders on city streets.

"I absolutely believe that. I think they harbour their kids. I think they don't supervise them enough. I would just safely say that there are guns out there that parents know about and they are not turning them in."

According to the mother, this is not the first time her son has been in jail. However, she hopes her tough love will make the teenager change his ways and potentially save his life.

"I don't want to be one of those parents crying on TV because their son got killed."

A bail hearing will take place on Thursday for the 17-year-old.

The mother said she will not bail him out.

Finally a parent who has done the right thing. It's time to get rid of these punks and get them in jail and stop the violence before it starts. Good for her!!!!

For crying out loud, that is NOT AN AK47! NOT AN AK47!

It is a semi-automatic AKM clone. Note AKM. It was made with a stamped receiver, not a milled one.

The kid shouldn't have had a gun-I agree, however the method of taking care of it leaves much to be desired. The kid's Bipolar, not old enough to have a gun, and a drug dealer.

Instead of bringing the police in and taking a fine firearm out of civilian circulation, she should have just tossed it over a bridge into a river, flushed the coke, and taken her son to drug rehab. I'm pretty sure Canada has SOME. Now she's screwed up his entire life, and when he gets out of Juvi hall she's going to wish she had kept that gun to keep her safe from him.

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Now the teenager is facing 13 charges, including:

Possession of a firearm knowing its possession is unauthorized.
Unauthorized possession of a firearm
Careless storage of a firearm
Possession of a weapon contrary to a prohibition order
Possession of property obtained by crime
Possession of cocaine

Are those two charges the same thing or is knowing that you're breaking the law a crime in itself?

Gee, thanks mom. What a sucky parent.

Surely you can't be serious. If I had a kid who was keeping guns like that, I woudl turn him in without a second thought and not bail him out. I might even testify against him. Let the justice system work itself out. If he's innocent and it turns out he's innocent, great; he can learn that the justice systme will work itslef out and that I testified against hime because i had to. No way in hell would I be apologetic about doing so. If he's guilty and goes to jail for a long time, then maybe he can learn how to be a better person in jail, and if he's really innocent, then he learns another valuable lesson I hope to install in him from a young age: The law is always right, even when it's wrong, and it's rarely apologetic when it gets it wrong. If you don't like it, you shouldn't have made me believe you committed a crime.

Now don't get the wrong idea. I wouldn't be looking to have my kid locked up at the first opportunity like some of you PC weiners would have the rest of us believe. If I believe that my kid's innocent and I have testimony on his behalf, the court system's going to get it. If he's innocent and I think he's guilty, I might keep it to myself. He can hate me for testifying against him; that's his prerogative, but I hope I raise him better than that. For that matter, I hope I raise him better than to get in trouble with the law at all, and I hope this dilemma doesn't come up for me. If it does, I have failed...the rest is simply damage control.

Woman finds assault rifle, turns son in to cops
CTV.ca News Staff

A Toronto woman discovered an AK-47 assault rifle in her son's bedroom and immediately made sure the 17-year-old was put behind bars.

"I was in shock," the mother told CTV News.

She found the weapon in her son's bed, along with an unknown number of ammunition rounds. The mother called police and turned the weapon, and her son, over to officers.

Police arrested the boy. He and the mother cannot be identified due to the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

Now the teenager is facing 13 charges, including:

Possession of a firearm knowing its possession is unauthorized.
Unauthorized possession of a firearm
Careless storage of a firearm
Possession of a weapon contrary to a prohibition order
Possession of property obtained by crime
Possession of cocaine
Police say the AK-47 was loaded when the weapon was seized.

Originally developed for the Soviet Army in 1947, the gun is capable of firing 600 rounds of ammunition per minute.

Police told CTV that the woman did the right thing, and she agrees.

"If he has got one gun like that, maybe he's got more," she said.

Speaking with CTV's Jim Junkin, the woman said if more parents followed her example, there would be fewer shootings and murders on city streets.

"I absolutely believe that. I think they harbour their kids. I think they don't supervise them enough. I would just safely say that there are guns out there that parents know about and they are not turning them in."

According to the mother, this is not the first time her son has been in jail. However, she hopes her tough love will make the teenager change his ways and potentially save his life.

"I don't want to be one of those parents crying on TV because their son got killed."

A bail hearing will take place on Thursday for the 17-year-old.

The mother said she will not bail him out.

Finally a parent who has done the right thing. It's time to get rid of these punks and get them in jail and stop the violence before it starts. Good for her!!!!
For crying out loud, that is NOT AN AK47! NOT AN AK47!

It is a semi-automatic AKM clone. Note AKM. It was made with a stamped receiver, not a milled one.

The kid shouldn't have had a gun-I agree, however the method of taking care of it leaves much to be desired. The kid's Bipolar, not old enough to have a gun, and a drug dealer.

Instead of bringing the police in and taking a fine firearm out of civilian circulation, she should have just tossed it over a bridge into a river, flushed the coke, and taken her son to drug rehab. I'm pretty sure Canada has SOME. Now she's screwed up his entire life, and when he gets out of Juvi hall she's going to wish she had kept that gun to keep her safe from him.
Links for both story and details please.

Links for both story and details please.

Here's the link:

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060104/assault_rifle_home_060104/20060104/?site_codename=toronto

Here's the link:

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060104/assault_rifle_home_060104/20060104/?site_codename=toronto
Thanks.
For crying out loud, that is NOT AN AK47! NOT AN AK47!

It is a semi-automatic AKM clone. Note AKM. It was made with a stamped receiver, not a milled one.

The kid shouldn't have had a gun-I agree, however the method of taking care of it leaves much to be desired. The kid's Bipolar, not old enough to have a gun, and a drug dealer.

Instead of bringing the police in and taking a fine firearm out of civilian circulation, she should have just tossed it over a bridge into a river, flushed the coke, and taken her son to drug rehab. I'm pretty sure Canada has SOME. Now she's screwed up his entire life, and when he gets out of Juvi hall she's going to wish she had kept that gun to keep her safe from him.Bolding mine
do you have a link for your details.

And what age do Kids get guns and deal drugs?

and throw the gun away? you nuts?

and oh, like the kid's life was so peachy until mama took his guns and drugs away and sent him to jail.

Thanks.
Bolding mine
do you have a link for your details.

And what age do Kids get guns and deal drugs?

and throw the gun away? you nuts?

and oh, like the kid's life was so peachy until mama took his guns and drugs away and sent him to jail.

Playing devil's advocate a little:

IIRC, the legal age for ownership in Canada is 18+. Since he's 17, he's underage. The drug thing was just punctuation.

Throwing away the gun suggestion is wrong. Agreed.

The kid seems already screwed up. I support mom's decision.

I'ld still put my money on a semi-auto even though a fully can still have a stamped reciever..

Playing devil's advocate a little:

IIRC, the legal age for ownership in Canada is 18+. Since he's 17, he's underage. The drug thing was just punctuation.

Throwing away the gun suggestion is wrong. Agreed.

The kid seems already screwed up. I support mom's decision.

I'ld still put my money on a semi-auto even though a fully can still have a stamped reciever..
Thanks again, not familiar with Canadian laws so rather find out than eat my foot. (a meal I've been having too frequently of late :p )

however, just because the LEGAL age is 18, that doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten the gun ILLEGALLY, which I think is still the point of the article.

and does it really matter weather it's Auto, Semi, or single shot? AK-47 or AKM... it is still Illegal for the kid to have right?

Links for both story and details please.


www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/01/05/torontoteen-gun060104.html

A Toronto teenager has been charged with weapons and drug offences after his mother turned in a loaded AK-47 rifle to police.

The suspect's mother said she was shocked when she found the weapon and a magazine filled with bullets on her son's bed in their east-end home on Tuesday evening, the Toronto Sun reports.
AK-47 rifle (file photo)

After she took the rifle to the police station, officers searched the home for more weapons.

The 17-year-old, who was not home at the time, was arrested later that evening after he returned to the house.

He was charged with 13 offences, including weapons charges and possession of cocaine.

The suspect cannot be identified under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

Following the hearing, his mother said she had no regrets about turning in her son. The woman, who also cannot be identified, said she believes the boy's decision to leave the gun in plain site was a "cry for help."

WTF? The mother must be Bipolar aswell.

"I thought, if he left it in sight it was a cry for help, because if he didn't want me to see that gun it would be hidden under the bed. So I think that he left it out there on purpose," she said.

"Maybe he knew that I would save him from himself, because he does have a disorder; he's bipolar, and he's been very depressed lately. So I don't know what his plan was – whether it was suicidal or homicidal I was not sure – but at least he had the sense to leave it out."

Thanks.
Bolding mine
do you have a link for your details.

And what age do Kids get guns and deal drugs?

and throw the gun away? you nuts?

and oh, like the kid's life was so peachy until mama took his guns and drugs away and sent him to jail.

Link is above.

No, his life was messed up. He's only 17, and hasn't really committed a 'bad' offense yet. There's still some hope of him straightening his life out

Throw the gun into a river? yes. Whenever the police stop looking drop a big magnet down and retrieve it. I could never advocate throwing away a perfectly good firearm.



ETA: It's George Bush's fault.

:D

Thanks again, not familiar with Canadian laws so rather find out than eat my foot. (a meal I've been having too frequently of late :p )

however, just because the LEGAL age is 18, that doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten the gun ILLEGALLY, which I think is still the point of the article.

and does it really matter weather it's Auto, Semi, or single shot? AK-47 or AKM... it is still Illegal for the kid to have right?

It makes a huge difference legally. In the US, it changes the level of felony and the number of violations. Either way, though, yes, it was still illegal for him to have it even if he wasn't a prior(assuming it wasn't legally owned by his parents and he just took care of it).

PR-wise it makes a difference as well. The "Assault Weapon Ban" in the US was completely based on a bait'n switch ploy that made people believe they were banning full auto's when in reality it only affected semi-auto's.

It also makes a difference statistics/crime wise. A 17 yr old druggie getting a semi-auto that looks like an AK is one thing. They're relatively common in the US. Getting his hands on a fully-auto weapon says a lot as tothe level of crime and the resources available to the criminals. Even in the highest crime areas of the US, that's rare.

www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/01/05/torontoteen-gun060104.html



Technical note: as I said earlier as to media reliability/accuracy. The picture shown is captioned as an AK-47. The shown weapon is an AK-74.

www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/01/05/torontoteen-gun060104.html

A Toronto teenager has been charged with weapons and drug offences after his mother turned in a loaded AK-47 rifle to police.

The suspect's mother said she was shocked when she found the weapon and a magazine filled with bullets on her son's bed in their east-end home on Tuesday evening, the Toronto Sun reports.
AK-47 rifle (file photo)

After she took the rifle to the police station, officers searched the home for more weapons.

The 17-year-old, who was not home at the time, was arrested later that evening after he returned to the house.

He was charged with 13 offences, including weapons charges and possession of cocaine.

The suspect cannot be identified under the Youth Criminal Justice Act.

Following the hearing, his mother said she had no regrets about turning in her son. The woman, who also cannot be identified, said she believes the boy's decision to leave the gun in plain site was a "cry for help."
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WTF? The mother must be Bipolar aswell.]

"I thought, if he left it in sight it was a cry for help, because if he didn't want me to see that gun it would be hidden under the bed. So I think that he left it out there on purpose," she said.

"Maybe he knew that I would save him from himself, because he does have a disorder; he's bipolar, and he's been very depressed lately. So I don't know what his plan was – whether it was suicidal or homicidal I was not sure – but at least he had the sense to leave it out."the reasoning that he's leaving it out is a cry for help can also be the Mother trying to rationalize and see that her son can be 'saved.' something all parents hope for in their child.

and not knowing the history of the gun, it's safer to turn it in. It may have been used in earlier crimes... who knows. If I was to keep a gun, I would make sure it's history is as clean as mine.

the reasoning that he's leaving it out is a cry for help can also be the Mother trying to rationalize and see that her son can be 'saved.' something all parents hope for in their child.

and not knowing the history of the gun, it's safer to turn it in. It may have been used in earlier crimes... who knows. If I was to keep a gun, I would make sure it's history is as clean as mine.

To me I'm honestly not worried about the past history of a weapon. I have a Korean war era M1 garand that killed quite a few North Koreans. Doesn't bother me, although I am pissed that it has a shot out barrel.

If the weapon was a F/A rifle, the kid probably had very deep criminal connections. F/A weapons are very rarely found in criminal hands in America, and I'm willing to be even less in Canada.

Technical note: as I said earlier as to media reliability/accuracy. The picture shown is captioned as an AK-47. The shown weapon is an AK-74.

No, the weapon shown is an east german MPI AKM. The gas block is old 45 degree AK style. The magazine doesn't have the usual curvature of the AK magazine because it's a russian bakelite magazine. Newer AK74 5.45 mm magazine are eithe Bakelite, Plum, or thermold (I think)

Barrel appears to be standard AKM weight barrel too.

To me I'm honestly not worried about the past history of a weapon. I have a Korean war era M1 garand that killed quite a few North Koreans. Doesn't bother me, although I am pissed that it has a shot out barrel.

If the weapon was a F/A rifle, the kid probably had very deep criminal connections. F/A weapons are very rarely found in criminal hands in America, and I'm willing to be even less in Canada.
but you wanna hold on to an Illegal weapon (since the kid was underage, we can assume that he got it through illegal means) that may be involved in one or two unsolved murders?

wanna be the fly on the wall for that interrigation.
"So you knew the weapon was illegal and you decided to keep it?"

The Mother was right in turning it in and not dropping it into the river where someone else might find it.

but you wanna hold on to an Illegal weapon (since the kid was underage, we can assume that he got it through illegal means) that may be involved in one or two unsolved murders?

wanna be the fly on the wall for that interrigation.
"So you knew the weapon was illegal and you decided to keep it?"

The Mother was right in turning it in and not dropping it into the river where someone else might find it.

Noone wants to hold on to an illegal weapon. He probably bought it from a druggie or traded coke for it or if it was a girl (can't remember) maybe she whored herself out. (CJ classes paying off here) Would I want to own a weapon that was involved in murders? Wouldn't bother me much, however the unsolved part is what I would be worried about. Run the S/N through the police.

Noone wants to hold on to an illegal weapon. He probably bought it from a druggie or traded coke for it or if it was a girl (can't remember) maybe she whored herself out. (CJ classes paying off here) Would I want to own a weapon that was involved in murders? Wouldn't bother me much, however the unsolved part is what I would be worried about. Run the S/N through the police.Usually tho, the S/N is removed so the Gun cannot be traced. leaving ballistics.

and if you run the S/N through the police, won't they question you about where you got the gun? I am assuming that Canadian police are thorough about things like guns.

so it's the same as turning it in.

I imagine it must have been tough for that woman to decide to turn in her son. Whether he was just dumb enough to leave the gun out, or was just messed up and subconsciously wanted to be caught before he hurt someone (which I think is the case), we'll probably never know.

The mother may regret what she did to her son by turning him over to the police, but she made the right decision. If he was about to go on a rampage with that weapon, then she saved lives. And if he's bipolar he may go into intensive therapy instead of just going to prison, which will hopefully straighten him out as well (one can only hope). At least he's not going to hurt anybody.

So please don't say that the mother was betraying her son, or that she's stupid or something. She was probably still shocked and upset at finding an assault rifle in her kid's room (who wouldn't be?). Don't blame her for not being coherent. At least she did the right thing.

EDIT: The article doesn't say whether the boy was in therapy (though he may have had some, since he was diagnosed as bipolar). It's possible that the family couldn't afford to give him the therapy or medication that he needed to manage his condition, which would have been really tough on him and the mother both.

She did what was best for the kid's safety.

Yep. Was the AK a semi or full auto?
Thats a very good question i suspect a bit of misinformation provided by the media here.

Usually tho, the S/N is removed so the Gun cannot be traced. leaving ballistics.

and if you run the S/N through the police, won't they question you about where you got the gun? I am assuming that Canadian police are thorough about things like guns.

so it's the same as turning it in.

Ballisticly matching weapons isn't as easy as it sounds. With mass-produced weapons such as Glocks an AKs things get really hairy because almost everyone down here has one.

Ballisticly matching weapons isn't as easy as it sounds. With mass-produced weapons such as Glocks an AKs things get really hairy because almost everyone down here has one.

You also have to have the exact same ammunition prefferably from the same batch as had been previously tested/fired. That's assuming no parts had been changed on the weapon.

You also have to have the exact same ammunition prefferably from the same batch as had been previously tested/fired. That's assuming no parts had been changed on the weapon.
Or it hasen't been Lapped...

(That's why I like 1911's... barrels are cheap and rapidly replacable. A quick buff of the Extractor and breachface and you've "cleaned" the Fingerprint.)

Gee, thanks mom. What a sucky parent.

You know... It's horrible little %*#@'s like you who caused columbine. Those kids didnt do it because they were losers, they did it because they were mentally unbalanced. And the parents had to have known about it.
A rational person finds an assault rifle in their kid's bed and the first thing going through their mind should NOT be "How can I cover for my angel?" it should be "Holy shit! My kid's a drug dealer... and technically a terrorist!"

Go mom, F&^% you kid

You know... It's horrible little %*#@'s like you who caused columbine. Those kids didnt do it because they were losers, they did it because they were mentally unbalanced. And the parents had to have known about it.
A rational person finds an assault rifle in their kid's bed and the first thing going through their mind should NOT be "How can I cover for my angel?" it should be "Holy shit! My kid's a drug dealer... and technically a terrorist!"

Go mom, F&^% you kidI think he/she was more upset with the loss of the rifle than the kid being turned in. ;)

You know... It's horrible little %*#@'s like you who caused columbine. Those kids didnt do it because they were losers, they did it because they were mentally unbalanced. And the parents had to have known about it.

The parents were negligent in their storage of their firearms-some of the guns actually belonged to the parents. Am I saying they shouldn't know whats going on? No.

A rational person finds an assault rifle.....

BTW: It's not an assault rifle. Media hype...again.

.....in their kid's bed and the first thing going through their mind should NOT be "How can I cover for my angel?" it should be "Holy shit! My kid's a drug dealer... and technically a terrorist!"

It's not about covering for the kid-it's about the mom stepping up to the plate and doing what she hasn't for most of the kid's life-being a parent. She raised the little heathen, and look what she got. She needs to take care of it.

Go mom, F&^% you kid

Heck, this kid has nothing. All of younger kids I've known had more than an AK at 12, 13, and 14.

I think he/she was more upset with the loss of the rifle than the kid being turned in. ;)

Both. Fine firearm taken out of civlian circulation, and the fact the kid is really messed up now....

It's not about covering for the kid-it's about the mom stepping up to the plate and doing what she hasn't for most of the kid's life-being a parent. She raised the little heathen, and look what she got. She needs to take care of it.

She did.

Good work, mom. If the kid's really sorry about what he did, then he'll show it. Otherwise, well, bad kids go to jail.

I say automatic five year term for being caught with an illegal firearm and automatic 10 year using it in the commission of a crime - regardless of age and no parole!!!

Man, she should sell the AK to me, I'll drive down and pay good cash for it right now.

She did.


She didn't. She failed the kid as a parent by not taking care of it herself instead of getting the gov't involved. Easy way out. If I found my kid had pot and a gun I didn't know about, I'd take the gun,put them through a drug rehab, flush the pot, and throw them through a wall for being so stupid and damaging the family name.

She didn't. She failed the kid as a parent by not taking care of it herself instead of getting the gov't involved. Easy way out. If I found my kid had pot and a gun I didn't know about, I'd take the gun,put them through a drug rehab, flush the pot, and throw them through a wall for being so stupid and damaging the family name.

So you would break the law in order to protect your public image?

She didn't. She failed the kid as a parent by not taking care of it herself instead of getting the gov't involved. Easy way out. If I found my kid had pot and a gun I didn't know about, I'd take the gun,put them through a drug rehab, flush the pot, and throw them through a wall for being so stupid and damaging the family name.

What a waste of good pot. :(

I'd be much happier to find pot then alcohol, no one's ever died from smoking too much pot in a night.

I say automatic five year term for being caught with an illegal firearm and automatic 10 year using it in the commission of a crime - regardless of age and no parole!!!


That's easy, although crime is a little too general. Robbery? Theft? Burglary? 25 years. I wouldn't want there to be such a thing as an "Illegal" firearm though, unless it's a Bio-weapon of some sort. If Joe schmo wants a quad-50, who cares.

I don't think the mother should've turned in her own son. Take the gun away from him yes, but not turn him over to the police UNLESS he's just one of those kids that continues to fuck up. My father who was a NYPD sergeant would never turn me in. Then again he could kick my ass if he needed to, but also I never dealt drugs and I was an all around decent kid. I did however own an assault rifle without his knowledge (Ruger Mini 30, 7.62mm, folding stock, flash suppressor, 30X scope and a 30 round banana clip). I loved that gun until the day I realized that I really had no need for it and sold it. What the hell was I going to do with? Fight a war in my suburban neighborhood?

What the hell was I going to do with? Fight a war in my suburban neighborhood?
...and so what the Hell was this kid going to do with his in the densely - populated downtown area he lives in? Fight a war with it?

I used to live two sidestreets way from that kid's house. No way in Hell is there anything sensible about not calling in the cops when your bipolar teen, who has, by his mother's admission, taken up with a very bad crowd of late, also leaves a fully-loaded, and completely illegal, assault rifle in plain sight on his bed. Not in a neighbourhood where backyards are fifteen feet wide by twenty-five feet deep, with active laneways set between the semi-detached houses with hordes of small children at play every day of the year.

All you people who think Mom was wrong to do what she did have no flippin' idea what you're talking about. It took real guts for her to do what she did - and I'd be surprised if her son doesn't thank her for it when all is said and done.

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All you people who think Mom was wrong to do what she did have no flippin' idea what you're talking about. It took real guts for her to do what she did - and I'd be surprised if her son doesn't thank her for it when all is said and done.


If this kid is as bad as you think I'll be surprised he doesn't wind up killing his mother after he gets out of jail. I on the other hand think his situation wouldn't have gotten this out of control if he had better parental guidance.

His parents are the first to blame for his behavior. I think the mother should be charged as well if at the very least for crappy parenting. Another question I have is where is the father in all of this?

I come from a strong family. If something like this were to happen in my family it would be dealt with without any outside party getting involved. It's called family loyalty. Obviously this mother knows nothing about it.

If this kid is as bad as you think I'll be surprised he doesn't wind up killing his mother after he gets out of jail. I on the other hand think his situation wouldn't have gotten this out of control if he had better parental guidance.

His parents are the first to blame for his behavior. I think the mother should be charged as well if at the very least for crappy parenting.
I didn't say I thought this kid was bad. The kid's own mother described him as being mentally ill - that's not me offering a value judgement. The people he's fallen in with are precisely the sort of people who seek to exploit weakness in others to their own benefit. As to this idea that he will seek bloody vengeance on his mother after he gets out is just that - an idea. Our most rabidly right-wing rag, the Sun, went to some lengths to report and re-iterate that the kid apparently holds no grudge, and that he loves his mother very much.

I think you should be charged as well if at least for crappy pronouncements without basis in fact.

I think you should be charged as well if at least for crappy pronouncements without basis in fact.

First off I'm getting the information from this post and giving my opinion. Which is just that an opinion.

I still stand by my statement that it's the mothers fault. She should be making sure her son gets the treatment he needs and also to have a watchful eye on him as much as possible. She dropped the ball somewhere along the line.

And another thing...why are you personally attacking me? Can you not debate an issue fairly even with somebody that may or may not agree with you?

That's easy, although crime is a little too general. Robbery? Theft? Burglary? 25 years. I wouldn't want there to be such a thing as an "Illegal" firearm though, unless it's a Bio-weapon of some sort. If Joe schmo wants a quad-50, who cares.
By illegal firearm I mean illegal under current Canadian laws. Unlike Texas and other states we can't have concealed weapons. And I'm pretty sure if you're robbing someone with a gun that's illegal.

First off I'm getting the information from this post and giving my opinion. Which is just that an opinion.

I still stand by my statement that it's the mothers fault. She should be making sure her son gets the treatment he needs and also to have a watchful eye on him as much as possible. She dropped the ball somewhere along the line.

And another thing...why are you personally attacking me? Can you not debate an issue fairly even with somebody that may or may not agree with you?
I take issue with people offering comment without coming remotely close to being at all well-informed on a given issue. Sorry if you're taking it personally.

I don't agree with your uninformed analysis, and I'd hate to see others pick up where you've left off - in earnest, well-intentioned ignorance.

And frankly, it's hardly much of a debate - seeing as it's more-or-less a fait accomplis by anyone's standard.

I don't think the mother should've turned in her own son.

I agree.

What a waste of good pot. :(

I'd be much happier to find pot then alcohol, no one's ever died from smoking too much pot in a night.

And how can you go on a rampage while hysterical?

And how can you go on a rampage while hysterical?

Good planning?

Good planning?

You'll likely be laughing too much to even shoot accurately if you manage to advance that far while hysterical.

It's called family loyalty.

I'm with you. My mum covered for my uncle when he was around 17. though all he did was not pay for a pizza. its the principle. you look after your family.

I'm with you. My mum covered for my uncle when he was around 17. though all he did was not pay for a pizza. its the principle. you look after your family.

Even when the family member in question is a potential danger to the whole community? Pizzas don't kill unless you're eating a lot of them at once.

Even when the family member in question is a potential danger to the whole community?

Yep.

I take issue with people offering comment without coming remotely close to being at all well-informed on a given issue. Sorry if you're taking it personally.

I don't agree with your uninformed analysis, and I'd hate to see others pick up where you've left off - in earnest, well-intentioned ignorance.

And frankly, it's hardly much of a debate - seeing as it's more-or-less a fait accomplis by anyone's standard.


Basically you're calling me an idiot because of my opinion that one shouldn't turn in their own family members. And according to you it's just better to let the police handle a situation like this instead getting the kid into a treatment/intervention program yourself. Ok that's fine and now I see where you're coming from I'm very glad I'm not a part of your family.

You are right on thing and that is what is done is done. There is no going back for the mother. I just hope she has a nice savings account because it's going to cost a fortune in legal fees even if the kid pleads guilty. Not to mention she probably won't see her child for quite a long time. Not to mention the guilty feelings she will inevitably have for turning in her own son.

So... let me get this straight. You are (just for this example) 17, and your about to kill perhaps one, or perhaps one hundred people. Your mother then turns you in, and instead of you killing these people, you get sent to jail. When you get out of jail, you petition the government, under the Young Offenders Act to have your criminal history eliminated, and then you carry on with your life.

What happens if your mother doesn't turn you in? You shoot people, kill and maim. You are either shot by the police, yourself (as shown in most cases) or spend most of your time kissing your toes in a federal "pound me in the ass" prison.

Sorry, just wanted to clarify that, that is indeed what you would have prefered? One more time. You would rather have several people killed, then have a family member goto jail?

That's a quite the fantasy you've concocted. Who is to say he was going to shoot anybody? Millions of people have loaded guns inside their homes and never shoot at or kill anyone. I have two and I've never shot at anybody. I have a couple of friends that literally have arsenals inside their homes and have yet to shot them except at targets in rifle ranges. Some people just like guns. As I've also stated before the mother should have just taken care of it herself with the help of other family members if need be. Proper parents would never have let the boy get that bad in the first place.

Who is to say he was going to shoot anybody? Millions of people have loaded guns inside their homes and never shoot at or kill anyone. I have two and I've never shot at anybody.

*Steps forward* As do I, and quiet a few knives/swords/axes. I would never think of shooting/stabbing anyone unless I had identified them as a believably hostile-intruder.

A Bipolar teenager with previous history with the police, who also deals Cocaine? A loaded AK-47 (Or something of the nature) sitting on his bed, and his girlfriend had actually dumped him a week prior. Sounds like a risk to me.

So once more, you are saying that you would have to have the people killed before you actually do anything? We would have to wait for a Colombine incident before you would do anything?

This is the reason why gun crime in the United States is several times higher than Canada's. The trick to preventing crime is to prevent it, not wait for it to happen.

This is the reason why gun crime in the United States is several times higher than Canada's. The trick to preventing crime is to prevent it, not wait for it to happen.

He's not saying the mother should have gone and bought him more ammo. He's saying that she should have dealt with the situation without involving the cops.

I say automatic five year term for being caught with an illegal firearm and automatic 10 year using it in the commission of a crime - regardless of age and no parole!!!

I agree, but it won't happen while Liberals are in charge. Jan 23rd will change that.


She didn't. She failed the kid as a parent by not taking care of it herself instead of getting the gov't involved. Easy way out. If I found my kid had pot and a gun I didn't know about, I'd take the gun,put them through a drug rehab, flush the pot, and throw them through a wall for being so stupid and damaging the family name.


And you would be arrested for helping out the criminal.

When you break the law, people should report it. Anything that is a danger to others or yourself should be reported to the police immediatly. Not only does it keep us safer, but that is what we are paying them to do anyways.

Any family that would break the law to protect their 'good family name' is the same level as organized crime, aka the mafia.


I don't think the mother should've turned in her own son.


She is the parent and a member of society. It is not only her job to make sure she raises the kid (and being a human shield is not one of them), but to inform others whether it is anonymous tips or calling 911, to keep our streets safer.

I have great respect for the boys and girls in blue, because they risk their lives daily only to be insulted and spat upon by the public.


If this kid is as bad as you think I'll be surprised he doesn't wind up killing his mother after he gets out of jail.


Can I join you when you use your time machine next time?


His parents are the first to blame for his behavior. I think the mother should be charged as well if at the very least for crappy parenting. Another question I have is where is the father in all of this?


Kid was bipolar, recently broke him with his girlfriend, and was hanging around in a bad crowd. Kids aren't 100% held by the lease by their parents, and will do things that the parents can't control. However, unlike most parents and family members (like yourself), this mom drew the line when she saw an illegal rifle into her home. Like a decent human being, something many people aren't (including you), she turned her child her, saving lives and teaching her son the importent lesson of not trying to fuck up the law. This is a true example of tough love.


I come from a strong family. If something like this were to happen in my family it would be dealt with without any outside party getting involved. It's called family loyalty. Obviously this mother knows nothing about it.


So you would be breaking the law in order to keep that loyalty, eh? You wouldn't happen to be italien, would you?[/bad joke]


And according to you it's just better to let the police handle a situation like this instead getting the kid into a treatment/intervention program yourself.


The kid is breaking the law, hence a criminal. They didn't arrest him for being bipolar or hanging around with a bad crowd, but having a freaking gun in his house.


That's a quite the fantasy you've concocted. Who is to say he was going to shoot anybody?


Let's see...

He's young and been with the bad types
Broke up with his girlfriend
Bipolar
Cocaine

Why on earth would you need a freaking AK in the urban streets of Toronto?

I can't believe you are actually defending a potential killer here. I must be drinking a different tap of water then the rest of you.

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All you people who think Mom was wrong to do what she did have no flippin' idea what you're talking about. It took real guts for her to do what she did - and I'd be surprised if her son doesn't thank her for it when all is said and done.
Couldn't have said it better myself. He probably won't thank her for it until after she'd dead though and he regrets his life choices. He for sure won't thank her for it when he's sitting in jail with a bloody ass!!! ;)

If this kid is as bad as you think I'll be surprised he doesn't wind up killing his mother after he gets out of jail. I on the other hand think his situation wouldn't have gotten this out of control if he had better parental guidance.

His parents are the first to blame for his behavior. I think the mother should be charged as well if at the very least for crappy parenting. Another question I have is where is the father in all of this?

I come from a strong family. If something like this were to happen in my family it would be dealt with without any outside party getting involved. It's called family loyalty. Obviously this mother knows nothing about it.
Not everyone has the privledge of coming from a strong family unit. The mother is probably single, working a bunch of jobs and doesn't know what to do. I think it would have been "UNLOYAL" for her not to call the cops. Most likely she saved her son's life but also an innocent bystandard's (or more than one) life as well. I think the parental guidance in this situation is do the crime do the time!

Even when the family member in question is a potential danger to the whole community? Pizzas don't kill unless you're eating a lot of them at once.
They don't kill but they do hurt. Many moons ago this guy punched me in the face with a pizza slice. I had a burn on my eye lid. I ran next door to the pub to tell my friends about it and they asked if me all the red stuff on me was blood. I said no it was pizza sauce. By the time they stopped laughing the guy had taken off. :(

Even if they are a potential danger to whole community?
Yep.
So by saying that you meant that the Una-Bomber's brother should not have turned him in? That if we know a family member had gone the route of coo-coo and is going to do a suicide bombing somewhere in New York we should not turn him in?

That's a quite the fantasy you've concocted. Who is to say he was going to shoot anybody? Millions of people have loaded guns inside their homes and never shoot at or kill anyone. I have two and I've never shot at anybody. I have a couple of friends that literally have arsenals inside their homes and have yet to shot them except at targets in rifle ranges. Some people just like guns. As I've also stated before the mother should have just taken care of it herself with the help of other family members if need be. Proper parents would never have let the boy get that bad in the first place.
Do you have a banner on your wall that says "GO COLUMBINE"? :rolleyes:

What's the deal with all you Americans and guns??? Do you all have really small cocks or something? Up in Canada the guy's with small cocks just buy a sports car or SUV or something? It's much safer unless you're a pedestrian or fellow driver. :confused:

So by saying that you meant that the Una-Bomber's brother should not have turned him in? That if we know a family member had gone the route of coo-coo and is going to do a suicide bombing somewhere in New York we should not turn him in?

Yes indeed. I value loyalty above everything else.

What's the deal with all you Americans and guns??? Do you all have really small cocks or something? Up in Canada the guy's with small cocks just buy a sports car or SUV or something? It's much safer unless you're a pedestrian or fellow driver. :confused:


What can I say we like guns. They go bang. The reason I have two guns is for protection in case of home invasion. One is a shotgun and the other was my father's police issued .38 Special handgun that dates back to 1955.

Do you have a banner on your wall that says "GO COLUMBINE"? :rolleyes:


Apparently you're not understanding me so I'll type it out for you once more. If the parents had done their job then it would never have happened. Most parents see the signs of maladjusted kids and choose to ignore them which is idiocy. It's their job to make sure their children never get their hands on guns, drugs etc. in the first place especially if your child has mental problems. It seems like a no brainer to me. The working mother excuse, and it's just that an excuse, doesn't wash. Several of my friends growing up were "latch key kids" with only one parent. A single parent just has to work harder to make sure their child gets the guidance that they need.

By the way your comment on having a "Go Columbine" banner was asinine and it really doesn't deserve this or any response.

What can I say we like guns. They go bang. The reason I have two guns is for protection in case of home invasion. One is a shotgun and the other was my father's police issued .38 Special handgun that dates back to 1955.
Well that's okay if you are comfortable with that. I hope you keep everything secured away, in case you have children. I hate hearing stories about Joe Blow showing off for his friends and blowing himself or them away by accident. The .38 Special sounds cool because it's like part of the history of your family.

Well that's okay if you are comfortable with that. I hope you keep everything secured away, in case you have children. I hate hearing stories about Joe Blow showing off for his friends and blowing himself or them away by accident. The .38 Special sounds cool because it's like part of the history of your family.



If I were to have any children I would do for them what my father did for me when I showed interest with holding his gun. I think I was around the age of 6. He sat me down and showed me the basics of his police revolver. He told me of the dangers and consequences in detail. I think this is a good idea for those that have guns and have children. I on the other hand would also have gun locks on my guns. Back in my youth there weren't any gun locks to speak of, at least not like there are today. Most guns come with locks now(my shotgun did).

I don't like hearing about idiots accidentally killing themselves or their friends either. I think it's Darwin Theory in full swing when that happens. There is a huge responsibility in gun ownership.