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I was trying to find some numbers on Alfa Romeo GTVs, for no particular reason, and made a miss-step. I looked at a modern car magazine website, albiet a magazine I like. Anyway, I found this:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2006/Q1/142006213518.jpg

One highly unusual show debut that falls into the concept-car-very-likely-to-see production category is the three-wheeled Volkswagen GX3. Powered by a 125-bhp engine from the Lupo GTI sold in VW’s home market, this unusual runabout would most likely debut in California due to the state’s fair climate ― and qualify for single-occupant usage of the high-occupancy vehicle car pool lane. Other selling points include solid performance (weighing in at a lithe 1257 lb. allows for an estimated 0-60-mph time of about 5.7 seconds; nearly zero body roll) and thriftiness (estimated city fuel economy of 46 mpg with an approximate starting price of only $17,000).

Now, I should state that I have a massive weakness for reverse trikes. Don't know why, just dig 'em. And Volkswagens. And effecient cars. And performance. Usually these desires are at odds. Until this thing!!!

No, I'll grant-best laid plans and all. Despite the articles brief enthusaism I doubt that the car will actually debut in my state, or at all. And even if it does I'm not in the market for a car that's 'only' $17,000. But still...I live on a great stretch of road near an enviromentally aware town full of people who are more than willing to make gestures, so if they did come out a few people would be driving them by my house.

Kick ass.

Cool, yeah?

Oh, and be sure and point and laugh at people who try and 'rain on my parade' by re-stating that the car isn't likely to actually come out.

Not into three-wheelers, sorry.

I'd prefer the EcoRacer to be introduced en masse.

It looks like a bathtub on wheels...

Oh, and be sure and point and laugh at people who try and 'rain on my parade' by re-stating that the car isn't likely to actually come out.

No, but I think the potential driver who references "rain on my parade" is.

I'd go for it in an instant, except it doesn't look like there's room for a car seat in the back...

It looks like a bathtub on wheels...
It kinda does. For some reason that doesn't bother me. Though I just noticed it doesn't have a windshield, pretty good indicator that they're not that serious about a production version.

It doesn't quite look as cool as the T-Rex (http://www.symbolicmotors.com/images/inventory/4176/images/01.jpg) in the looks department. I don't know why that thing costs so much, though. It's a cockpit straped to a motorcycle.

I'd go for it in an instant, except it doesn't look like there's room for a car seat in the back...
Yeah, not exactly a family wagen, is it? For me that's a plus. Actually some of the impracticality is what I like, becuase it makes it a bit exclusive. I drive vintage cars, so I'm willing to put up with a lot of crap already.

No, but I think the potential driver who references "rain on my parade" is.
Is what?

I preferr living in a country that has a very efficient public transport system and owning a bicycle. And working legs, of course.

Is what?

Likely to come out.

Not into three-wheelers, sorry.

I'd prefer the EcoRacer to be introduced en masse.
http://www.linternaute.com/auto/salons-mondial/salon-tokyo/diaporama/images/1-vw-ecoracer.jpg
I actually hadn't heard about this. Good call, even has a diesel engine which is an extra plus. I'm all for it.

Likely to come out.
Come out of what?

I preferr living in a country that has a very efficient public transport system and owning a bicycle. And working legs, of course.
Well, yeah. But I live in California which is all spread out and I'm a freelance crew worker so I have to traverse the area a lot.

But your right, that is preferable in general.

Come out of what?

*spells it out really carefully, realising at the end that the jeux de mots was like pearls before swine in this case* :rolleyes:

The closet. "Coming out of the closet" is a term used for when homosexuals make their homosexuality known to the world. And while the car isn't likely to come out, its potential driver, who references "rain on my parade" is likely to come out.

Here's an eco-friendly vehicle ARF has been hankering for. Fits in with the above mentioned tricycle thingey.

http://www.4x4mag.co.uk/feb2pics/fieldhumvees.jpg

*spells it out really carefully, realising at the end that the jeux de mots was like pearls before swine in this case* :rolleyes:

The closet. "Coming out of the closet" is a term used for when homosexuals make their homosexuality known to the world. And while the car isn't likely to come out, its potential driver, who references "rain on my parade" is likely to come out.
Are you using gay as a derogatory term? Refering to something as 'gay,' like it was a bad thing?

Here's an eco-friendly vehicle ARF has been hankering for. Fits in with the above mentioned tricycle thingey.

http://www.4x4mag.co.uk/feb2pics/fieldhumvees.jpg
Yeeeeaaahhhh.....

Are you using gay as a derogatory term? Refering to something as 'gay,' like it was a bad thing?

No, I was making a play on words on coming out + a reference to a show tune, which are through a comical stereotype associated with homosexual males + the car being quite gay in the sense of being colourful (and also likely to appeal to feminine gay men). Aye, 'tis many a layer to what used be a joke I once tried to make, but which was so lost on you, I had to dissect the funny out of.

Being gay myself, it would be quite silly to imply that gayness is something bad, would it not? If you take the reference to gayness as bad, then the badness lies with you.

Yeeeeaaahhhh.....
With a bit of luck there'll be a revolution in Saudi Arabia, civil war in Iraq and the declaration of a new fascist Russian empire.

Maybe that would spell the end of those abominations.

Are you using gay as a derogatory term? Refering to something as 'gay,' like it was a bad thing?
It has teh ghey...

Anyway, throw another wheel on that sucker and I'd be all over it.

No, I was making a play on words on coming out + a reference to a show tune, which are through a comical stereotype associated with homosexual males + the car being quite gay in the sense of being colourful (and also likely to appeal to feminine gay men). Aye, 'tis many a layer to what used be a joke I once tried to make, but which was so lost on you, I had to dissect the funny out of.

Being gay myself, it would be quite silly to imply that gayness is something bad, would it not? If you take the reference to gayness as bad, then the badness lies with you.
There is something gay about rain on parades? Or show tunes?

Am I to feel bad that the car would also appeal to gay men?

I agree, it would be silly to imply gayness as a bad thing or try to shame someone with the potential gayness of a phrase or car. Why would you do that?

Anyway, throw another wheel on that sucker and I'd be all over it.
Where's the fun in that?

There is something gay about rain on parades? Or show tunes?

Come now, you do not live in a vaccume devoid of any cultural reference or stereotype? Or are you just acting like a pedant with a wish to come across as incapable of taking something for what it is?

I for one, see through this and challenge your immediate conclusion that my allusion to gayness imparted negativity. Ask yourself why you project that.

Am I to feel bad that the car would also appeal to gay men?

Again, the question you need to ask yourself is: "Why do I assume a reference to gayness must be negative?"

I agree, it would be silly to imply gayness as a bad thing or try to shame someone with the potential gayness of a phrase or car. Why would you do that?

You are the one who has a question to answer, it seems.

Come now, you do not live in a vaccume devoid of any cultural reference or stereotype? Or are you just acting like a pedant with a wish to come across as incapable of taking something for what it is?

I for one, see through this and challenge your immediate conclusion that my allusion to gayness imparted negativity. Ask yourself why you project that.



Again, the question you need to ask yourself is: "Why do I assume a reference to gayness must be negative?"



You are the one who has a question to answer, it seems.
Dude, if you saw through anything you wouldn't have let me get this far.

I gotta say, fucking with your self important attention whoring ass is a lot more fun than just ignoring you. I'm a little dissapointed that it has been this easy...

Dude, if you saw through anything you wouldn't have let me get this far.

I'm sorry, but my respect for your competence when it comes to understanding written material has been so eroded in the past, I had to leave the possibility open to you actually repeating this failure to understand.

I gotta say, fucking with your self important attention whoring ass is a lot more fun than just ignoring you.

While I do enjoy my ass being fucked with, I do not enjoy your feeble attempt at a flame. Do it properly, or rather than that, desist, please.

I'm a little dissapointed that it has been this easy...

Well, what can I say. Your standing was so low to begin with, I had to initially entertain the notion I've already made allusion to. Having come this far, I'm prone to taking the same position in the future, as I remain unconvinced of its fallacy.

I'm sorry, but my respect for your competence when it comes to understanding written material has been so eroded in the past, I had to leave the possibility open to you actually repeating this failure to understand.



While I do enjoy my ass being fucked with, I do not enjoy your feeble attempt at a flame. Do it properly, or rather than that, desist, please.



Well, what can I say. Your standing was so low to begin with, I had to initially entertain the notion I've already made allusion to. Having come this far, I'm prone to taking the same position in the future, as I remain unconvinced of its fallacy.
Whatever gets you through the night.

How's that go?

Arguing with a gay guy is pointless, because whoever wins, you're still gay, or something?

Or is that retards? I'm confused.

Whatever gets you through the night.

There's that rapier wit of yours.

How's that go?

Arguing with a gay guy is pointless, because whoever wins, you're still gay, or something?

Or is that retards? I'm confused.
EDIT: In retrospect, no need to take it any farther than needs be.

He made a weak joke that didn't contribute, which isn't uncommon. So I messed with him. But yeah, it makes everyone look ridiculous. I think he prides himself on that or something...

It looks familiar...
Like I've rode in it before...

I wonder... :rolleyes: (http://www.mables.com/img/products/big-wheel-bike.jpg)

It looks familiar...
Like I've rode in it before...

I wonder... :rolleyes: (http://www.mables.com/img/products/big-wheel-bike.jpg)
Dude, if it had one bigass wheel that'd be cool! Big wheels where cool, you know you thought they where cool.

Fass is a self important troll. Most of the time it's largely ignorable in that "Oh, isn't that cute, the gay guy is trying to weird out the straights..." kinda thing. Not a big deal. I work in theater and see it a lot.

But it gets tiring. Usually I just ignore him, because the worst thing you can do for an attention whore is give him attention, but this was kind of a lobbed ball. And since the subject wasn't really that important by any stretch I went for it. Honestly, without the pissing contest the thread would have fallen off the page already.

But yeah, digging down with Fass does tend to make you look as ridiculous. I just felt like passing the time by pissing him off.

Come now. As I said, either flame me properly, or desist with feeble attempts, especially at the infantile level of doing so to me in the third person. Your literal indirectness is impotence itself. You have a problem with me and you want to call me names? I'm right here. Although I would prefer you didn't, not only because I have no wish for moderation intervention, but because it really, really is a puerile thing to do.

Dude, if it had one bigass wheel that'd be cool! Big wheels where cool, you know you thought they where cool.

Until I realized that leaning to one side and back could kill you.

No, do that, At 60 mph.

Until I realized that leaning to one side and back could kill you.

No, do that, At 60 mph.
You rode in some badass big wheels. Though I would have thought that it would be leaning forward into the 'missing wheel' that would tip the big wheel.

Though the article states that the car as almost no body roll. And I don't know how you would crawl out to lean in that corner...seems like a lot of things would kill you there...

You rode in some badass big wheels. Though I would have thought that it would be leaning forward into the 'missing wheel' that would tip the big wheel.

Though the article states that the car as almost no body roll. And I don't know how you would crawl out to lean in that corner...seems like a lot of things would kill you there...

I was switching the wheel ends for the sake of the actual car.

Okay, the 3 wheels might be fine, but damn does it look wierd.
there was a french automobile my mom had called a Le Car (no joke, le car) that was a 3 wheeler. She said that going on uneven roads made her sick because it wobbled like hell.

Come now. As I said, either flame me properly, or desist with feeble attempts, especially at the infantile level of doing so to me in the third person. Your literal indirectness is impotence itself. You have a problem with me and you want to call me names? I'm right here. Although I would prefer you didn't, not only because I have no wish for moderation intervention, but because it really, really is a puerile thing to do.
You really are gay, aren't you?

:D

I was switching the wheel ends for the sake of the actual car.

Okay, the 3 wheels might be fine, but damn does it look wierd.
there was a french automobile my mom had called a Le Car (no joke, le car) that was a 3 wheeler. She said that going on uneven roads made her sick because it wobbled like hell.
Renault made a three-wheel Le Car?
Like this-
http://gr.bolt.com/oldsite/games/ps2/action/driv3r_lecar.jpg
but with three wheels? I never knew about that. I know England has the Reliant Robin...which actually I think is kinda cool too...but that might be because they don't exist here...

You really are gay, aren't you?


I think you both need to watch Brokeback Mountain sitting next to eachother.
Sparks would fly there.


The trike just looks unnatural. you don't see any 3-legged animals, and aliens in movies always are tripods cause it looks so damn wierd.

I think you both need to watch Brokeback Mountain sitting next to eachother.
Sparks would fly there.


The trike just looks unnatural. you don't see any 3-legged animals, and aliens in movies always are tripods cause it looks so damn wierd.
I've seen three legged animals, but I grew up in a town with a zoo for sick and injured animals....

I think that it's weird is the draw, really. I couldn't make a decent defense for my love the reverse trike. Just something about it.

I think you should buy it.

I just had a flshback of you and I going back and forth talking about cars and even linking pics of classic cars and whatnot....last year sometime I think.

I'm sorry, but my respect for your competence when it comes to understanding written material has been so eroded in the past, I had to leave the possibility open to you actually repeating this failure to understand.

I don't suppose you'd want to present instances of such a thing? We wouldn't want to think that you're merrily doing a "Oh yeah, well you're stupid" to cover...

Oh come on. It wasn't anything I hadn't said to you in a previous post.

Oh, you added a few bits and pieces, but it still remained the same weak attempt, as I do believe I pointed out. However, you went and did like I recall some not so confident children did in the school yard, talked to their peers loudly about someone in their vicinity, because they for some reason failed to do so directly.

Then there was this-

Only 'well worded' flames are okay? Whatever, dude. If you're going to be a troll grow some thicker skin.

That really was the reason I was so meticulous in explaining what I meant. What I've seen of you earlier did make me doubt your ability to understand. It took a while for my doubts to be assuaged. You indirectly asked for why I let myself be strung along. You got the truth - because I have in fact come to have so little faith in you. Regard that as a flame or whatever you want, but it still doesn't negate the fact that you tried to flame me even before I shared with you the reason for my having patience with you - the patience you so attempted to ridicule by trying to deem it a sort of blindness to your motives, which I guess it was, but for a completely different reason than that for which you had bargained, I'm afraid.

I think you should buy it.

I just had a flshback of you and I going back and forth talking about cars and even linking pics of classic cars and whatnot....last year sometime I think.
I think I remember that, I may have posted a picture of a Bugatti Atlantic Type 57 (http://www.classics.com/images/pb00-24.jpg), which I contend is one of the most gorgeous cars ever made.

I'd buy it if it actually came out (I'm gonna say long shot) and I could afford it (longer shot). But man alive would it be cool...

I don't suppose you'd want to present instances of such a thing? We wouldn't want to think that you're merrily doing a "Oh yeah, well you're stupid" to cover...

Oh, this esprit de l'escalier of yours is getting tiresome. For once, please, have something to say the first time you post, instead of just deleting and rewriting all the time.

Fass! Stop immeadiately! It's just mean to make fun with americans... You have already made him look stupid, now let him go. Further embarrasing and overwalking is not needed.

Besides, you should know by now jokes like that rarely get through in here, you need to make them more simple when talking in NS...

I think I remember that, I may have posted a picture of a Bugatti Atlantic Type 57 (http://www.classics.com/images/pb00-24.jpg), which I contend is one of the most gorgeous cars ever made.

I'd buy it if it actually came out (I'm gonna say long shot) and I could afford it (longer shot). But man alive would it be cool...


yes yes , i think you did post that one. well if cars are your passion, you can save up in no time for a tricycle!

Oh, you added a few bits and pieces, but it still remained the same weak attempt, as I do believe I pointed out. However, you went and did like I recall some not so confident children did in the school yard, talked to their peers loudly about someone in their vicinity, because they for some reason failed to do so directly.



That really was the reason I was so meticulous in explaining what I meant. What I've seen of you earlier did make me doubt your ability to understand. It took a while for my doubts to be assuaged. You indirectly asked for why I let myself be strung along. You got the truth - because I have in fact come to have so little faith in you. Regard that as a flame or whatever you want, but it still doesn't negate the fact that you tried to flame me even before I shared with you the reason for my having patience with you - the patience you so attempted to ridicule by trying to deem it a sort of blindness to your motives, which I guess it was, but for a completely different reason than that for which you had bargained, I'm afraid.
No, I got exactly what I expected and I imagined the reasons would be about what they where. You're an open book, dude.

Oh, this esprit de l'escalier of yours is getting tiresome. For once, please, have something to say the first time you post, instead of just deleting and rewriting all the time.
So that's no?

No, I got exactly what I expected and I imagined the reasons would be about what they where.

See, then you can't really blame me for being patient with you, now can you? The patience had been built up to be so believably warrented through your earlier actions.

You're an open book, dude.

I make no allusion to the contrary.

yes yes , i think you did post that one. well if cars are your passion, you can save up in no time for a tricycle!
Well, I'd have to shift careers/lifestyles to be in the market for a new car. And imagine I did all that and VW burned me by not coming out with the car. There I would be, all clean shaven and in a tie for nothin'! It would be horrifying...

So that's no?

Oh, I do believe you should have deleted this and rewritten it, ironically.

Well, I'd have to shift careers/lifestyles to be in the market for a new car. And imagine I did all that and VW burned me by not coming out with the car. There I would be, all clean shaven and in a tie for nothin'! It would be horrifying...


You know...I had high hopes for VW remaking the VW bus and making it all cool looking and super futuristic and whatnot.I'd have bought one had they done that. Bastards.

See, then you can't really blame me for being patient with you, now can you? The patience had been built up to be so believably warrented through your earlier actions.



I make no allusion to the contrary.
Again with those 'earlier actions.' You got fished because you're full of yourself. You're still bothering with this because you're full of yourself, because really it's pretty lame. Anyone with less arrogance would have walked away by now. I am starting to see things your way-riling you up while easy and kind of sad is kind of fun.

You know...I had high hopes for VW remaking the VW bus and making it all cool looking and super futuristic and whatnot.I'd have bought one had they done that. Bastards.
I think the new bus was a karma blow for me. I liked the new Beetle and the new Mini (even though I love the originals) but when I saw the new Bus' I just didn't like 'em. I think because one of the features that I really like about the Bus astheticly is really kinda dangerous, and that's the flat front. I don't think that they can do that safely, so it looked like a Eurovan with a big V on it. Though I did see a picture that made it look alright, I think the tires fit in better or something. I don't know why they backed out of that. Maybe it was whatzhisname stepping down, Dr. Ferry Porsche's nephew...Piech (hehe, didn't realise that). He was also a big fan of the efficient engines.

Again with those 'earlier actions.' You got fished because you're full of yourself. You're still bothering with this because you're full of yourself, because really it's pretty lame. Anyone with less arrogance would have walked away by now. I am starting to see things your way-riling you up while easy and kind of sad is kind of fun.

That's it? This is your attempt at deflection? *sigh* Now, there is indeed something that's sad here. I guess I was hoping for too much of you, as my doubts became assuaged. They have since resurfaced.

Fass...just drop it already. You started the whole thing by speaking to him like he was a retarded 5 year old, then when that insulted him and he said something back to you...you got mad. If you cant take it, then dont dish it out. And stop being so grumpy all the time. You are usually so fun to watch and I know your sarcasm is one of the things that makes you so funny, but enough is enough. Everytime he moves on and tries to get back on topic, you come back with some smart ass comment. Let it go.

Back to this funky car.....46 mpg?? wow.

Imagine picking up your dates in that. But not much of a family car ay?

I have to agree with Peechland. You're really only perpetuating the matter, Fass.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/comedypolice.jpg

Back to this funky car.....46 mpg?? wow.

Imagine picking up your dates in that. But not much of a family car ay?
I think it would send all the right messages-
I'm willing to put up with a lot for quirkyness.
I like effeciency, so this is going to be a cheap date.
And don't get any domestic ideas. ;)

I gotz to be free...because no wife would let me splurge money on contraptions like these....[/hack stand up comic mode]

Fass...just drop it already. You started the whole thing by speaking to him like he was a retarded 5 year old,

I spoke to him like he was such, because he was acting as such. I've also explained why I came to believe the act, but to later see through it. He's even admitted to the act himself. Or has he deleted that as well?

then when that insulted him and he said something back to you...you got mad.

You know me too well to think I get mad. This is the Internet. Contrary to popular belief, this is not "serious fucking business."

If you cant take it, then dont dish it out.

Ah, but take it is exactly what I can. You should know that, too.

And stop being so grumpy all the time.

I'm not grumpy. Really. Not even now. It's way too early in the morning here to be emotional towards any end of the axis.

You are usually so fun to watch and I know your sarcasm is one of the things that makes you so funny, but enough is enough. Everytime he moves on and tries to get back on topic, you come back with some smart ass comment. Let it go.

I let it go the first time he deleted something he wrote. But then he wrote something else in its stead. Which he deleted anew, but which he replaced with something else as well. I advise you to redirect, once more, and, dare I say it, not to stick your nose into things for which you are clearly not prepared.

As for cars, it may not be a trike, but I'll be damned if it isn't cool.

http://imagessuzuki1.free.fr/images/japon/suzuki/2001_gsxr-4_1.jpg

Suzuki GSXR/4

I think it would send all the right messages-
I'm willing to put up with a lot for quirkyness.
I like effeciency, so this is going to be a cheap date.
And don't get any domestic ideas. ;)

I gotz to be free...because no wife would let me splurge money on contraptions like these....[/hack stand up comic mode]


haha....I dunno....some would. As long as the light bill and mortgage were paid!

I, on the other hand wold not benefit from this . I have 2 kids so if i buy a toy car, it'd have to be a Hummer or something. And the price of those plus the crap gas mileage just sends me right back to my boring old mini-van. Alas....I can always call the "Pimp My Ride" guy. Yes..thats what I need....a tricked out mini-van.:cool:

As for cars, it may not be a trike, but I'll be damned if it isn't cool.

http://imagessuzuki1.free.fr/images/japon/suzuki/2001_gsxr-4_1.jpg

Suzuki GSXR/4
That's pretty funky. I like the exposed engine and rear springs. Does it have the engines for the GSXR or something?

I spoke to him like he was such, because he was acting as such. I've also explained why I came to believe the act, but to later see through it. He's even admitted to the act himself. Or has he deleted that as well?



You know me too well to think I get mad. This is the Internet. Contrary to popular belief, this is not "serious fucking business."



Ah, but take it is exactly what I can. You should know that, too.



I'm not grumpy. Really. Not even now. It's way too early in the morning here to be emotional towards any end of the axis.



I let it go the first time he deleted something he wrote. But then he wrote something else in its stead. Which he deleted anew, but which he replaced with something else as well. I advise you to redirect, once more, and, dare I say it, not to stick your nose into things for which you are clearly not prepared.

And see, now you are treating me as if I cant read. You dont have to give me play by plays...I read the entire thread. And as long as I'm in the thread and have to read your crap, then I can stick my nose in it. You still cannot let it go and you still insist on carrying on an argument. Go find someone else to argue with , because no one here is interested in your petty crap right now. BTW- dont "Advise' me to do anything. You arent my superior, as much as you may think you are (everyone's).

That's pretty funky. I like the exposed engine and rear springs. Does it have the engines for the GSXR or something?

I honestly haven't a clue. I'll check the specs in a bit. But, for now, a shot of the back end.

http://imagessuzuki1.free.fr/images/japon/suzuki/2001_gsxr-4_7.jpg

And see, now you are treating me as if I cant read. You dont have to give me play by plays...I read the entire thread. And as long as I'm in the thread and have to read your crap, then I can stick my nose in it. You still cannot let it go and you still insist on carrying on an argument. Go find someone else to argue with , because no one here is interested in your petty crap right now. BTW- dont "Advise' me to do anything. You arent my superior, as much as you may think you are (everyone's).

Then I really do think you need to heed my advice - butt out, lest you want to get involved. Don't go acting all sanctimonious now - who is whose superior? I not yours, and neither you mine. So you can do with your advice the same you did with mine.

Again, ironically.

haha....I dunno....some would. As long as the light bill and mortgage were paid!
Ah, and there's the rube...

I, on the other hand wold not benefit from this . I have 2 kids so if i buy a toy car, it'd have to be a Hummer or something. And the price of those plus the crap gas mileage just sends me right back to my boring old mini-van. Alas....I can always call the "Pimp My Ride" guy. Yes..thats what I need....a tricked out mini-van.:cool:
I drive a lot of rented minivans in my job (which gets some looks sometimes...). It's hard to get used to those crazy long dashboards. Though I won't admit this that often, I can understand why certain people would drive them, especially now that they have the sliding doors on both sides and those folding seat deals.

I had some friends who kept saying I should try and get my bus on 'Pimp My Ride.' After seeing what they did to the bus that they did pimp (while I would like a sign that would tell people behind me to 'Chill' I don't want it to cover one of the only ways for the engine to cool itself) I don't think it would have been a good idea. Though that 42" plasma tv would be in the van as long as it took to drive home.

Actually, put some spinners and air jacks on your mini-van, slam it to the ground when you pick up the kids. That would rock.

Then I really do think you need to heed my advice - butt out, lest you want to get involved. Don't go acting all sanctimonious now - who is whose superior? I not yours, and neither you mine. So you can do with your advice the same you did with mine.

Again, ironically.


My post was not offensive, nor was it an attack. I even said how you are funny and enjoyable to read. You got defensive because what I said was true. You are being immature about the whole thing.

There is nothing here to argue about, yet you have kept on and on, insisting on arguing with someone...anyone who will have it out with you. Grow up Fass.....really, this is ridiculous. Say what you like but anyone who has read this exchange will clearly see that you have perpetuated the whole thing. Mountains out of molehills.

I'm done. This has wasted enough of my time.

Ah, and there's the rube...


I drive a lot of rented minivans in my job (which gets some looks sometimes...). It's hard to get used to those crazy long dashboards. Though I won't admit this that often, I can understand why certain people would drive them, especially now that they have the sliding doors on both sides and those folding seat deals.

I had some friends who kept saying I should try and get my bus on 'Pimp My Ride.' After seeing what they did to the bus that they did pimp (while I would like a sign that would tell people behind me to 'Chill' I don't want it to cover one of the only ways for the engine to cool itself) I don't think it would have been a good idea. Though that 42" plasma tv would be in the van as long as it took to drive home.

Actually, put some spinners and air jacks on your mini-van, slam it to the ground when you pick up the kids. That would rock.

haha..yes that will go over well down here in the southern states.;)
they are very comfortable....but the full size conversion vans are the bomb. they are like a livingroom on wheels. we could put that 3 wheeler car inside one of those things!

im going to bed....g'night to all. even you Fass.

Ah, as far as statistics go, the GSXR/4 is 4WD, has 224 hp, and weighs in at 620kg (1,364lbs)

Edit: I also believe it was an entry in the 2002 Tokyo Auto Show.

My post was not offensive, nor was it an attack. I even said how you are funny and enjoyable to read. You got defensive because what I said was true. You are being immature about the whole thing.

There is nothing here to argue about, yet you have kept on and on, insisting on arguing with someone...anyone who will have it out with you. Grow up Fass.....really, this is rediculous. Say what you like but anyone who has read this exchange will clearly see that you have perpetuated the whole thing. Mountains out of molehills.

I'm done. This has wasted enough of my time.

Again, the affected piousness. "Waa, you keep arguing against me when I'm arguing against you. Waa." Your leaving is what you should have done all along.

I honestly haven't a clue. I'll check the specs in a bit. But, for now, a shot of the back end.

http://imagessuzuki1.free.fr/images/japon/suzuki/2001_gsxr-4_7.jpg
Looks like (according to a translated page, but it was pretty easy to read) that it has the Hayubusa engine in it at 173 hp, but that's likely measured in Japanese numbers, which if I understand they calculate hp differently, but don't know for sure. That's all kinds of nifty. Now, if it had one less wheel....

Looks like (according to a translated page, but it was pretty easy to read) that it has the Hayubusa engine in it at 173 hp, but that's likely measured in Japanese numbers, which if I understand they calculate hp differently, but don't know for sure. That's all kinds of nifty. Now, if it had one less wheel....

The Japanese, to my knowledge, measure in 'bhp.' Which is supposedly nearly identical to the American standard hp. And from www.theautochannel.com...

GSX-R/4
A Sensational Conbination of Motorcycle and Automobile Technologies.

* Overall Length(mm):3,550
* Overall Width(mm):1,730
* Overall Height(mm):1,010
* Wheelbase(mm):2,450
* Vehicle Weight(kg):640
* Seating Capacity:2
* Engine Type: DOHC 16V
* Displacement(cc):1,298
* Transmission:6-speed sequential transmission

Link: http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/suzuki.html#01

haha..yes that will go over well down here in the southern states.;)
they are very comfortable....but the full size conversion vans are the bomb. they are like a livingroom on wheels. we could put that 3 wheeler car inside one of those things!

im going to bed....g'night to all. even you Fass.
Yeah, here in California it probably wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

I grew up with one of those conversion vans. We had a protable TV in it for a short period of time, until my dad appropriated it for garage use. They are very comfy, but I never had to fill the tank or parralell park in that sucker. (I maintain that I am a parralell parking ninja because I can do it on the first try in my bus)

G'nite. Sweet lowridin' minivan dreams ;) (I was going to try to find a picture of one and I couldn't-you should totally do that!!!)

I just ran across this, and, though I hate to keep throwing in non-trikes, this thing is simply bizzarre...

http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/smart.html#01

Man alot of funky looking cars in this thread. Right now I drive a 1996 Acura Integra, but for my next car, it's going to be a 2008 Dodge Challenger!

http://www.stockmopar.com/2008-dodge-challenger.html

My dad had one of the older model Challengers back when I was little, it was a fun car to ride in, so I'll be re-connecting with my childhood.

I just ran across this, and, though I hate to keep throwing in non-trikes, this thing is simply bizzarre...

http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/smart.html#01

Hey look, it's a golf cart! :p

Okay! This one doesn't have four wheels!

http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/yamaha.html#01

...It has two. But it is quite possibly the only dirtbike I've ever been interested in.

The Japanese, to my knowledge, measure in 'bhp.' Which is supposedly nearly identical to the American standard hp. And from www.theautochannel.com...

GSX-R/4
A Sensational Conbination of Motorcycle and Automobile Technologies.

* Overall Length(mm):3,550
* Overall Width(mm):1,730
* Overall Height(mm):1,010
* Wheelbase(mm):2,450
* Vehicle Weight(kg):640
* Seating Capacity:2
* Engine Type: DOHC 16V
* Displacement(cc):1,298
* Transmission:6-speed sequential transmission

Link: http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/suzuki.html#01
Man that sounds like it would be a blast to drive. But it would be one of those cars that would go faster if you emptied your pockets. My tiny (but full grown, the dude is just skinny as hell) would be faster by default (and, well, he's a better driver-holding karting championships and all...)

That's a nifty little rod. I wish that there was more things like this. I kind of dream of a Talbot like company, that has a chassis and engine combos that they sell and then there are coach houses that make custom built cars off of that, like the Talbot Lagos and such. I like the old art deco cars (like that Atlantic I posted earlier).

Once upon a time Dodge had an idea that was close, called the Razor-
http://arabam.milliyet.com.tr/fuar/2002/detroit/dodge_razor.jpg
It was supposed to be a bare bones car that you would flip through the Mopar catalog to flesh out. It didn't make it (unless they're taking their sweet ass time). Too bad, the base care was close to $10,000. I was all about it.

Once upon a time Dodge had an idea that was close, called the Razor-
http://arabam.milliyet.com.tr/fuar/2002/detroit/dodge_razor.jpg
It was supposed to be a bare bones car that you would flip through the Mopar catalog to flesh out. It didn't make it (unless they're taking their sweet ass time). Too bad, the base care was close to $10,000. I was all about it.

Ahh, that would have been so sweet. Though, by looks, that car reminds me of a Korean manufacturer that made a very nice-looking car. Had "mod me!" written all over it. Looked kinda like an Asian Ferrari.

Edit: It's been fun, but I have to get to bed. 2:52 am, and I'm to move tomorr- Err.. Today. :(

I just ran across this, and, though I hate to keep throwing in non-trikes, this thing is simply bizzarre...

http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/smart.html#01
Ah, the Smart! Someone actually has one of those around here. I don't know if they imported it themselves or if Mercedes started already. I know they where gonna...

Man alot of funky looking cars in this thread. Right now I drive a 1996 Acura Integra, but for my next car, it's going to be a 2008 Dodge Challenger!

http://www.stockmopar.com/2008-dodge-challenger.html

My dad had one of the older model Challengers back when I was little, it was a fun car to ride in, so I'll be re-connecting with my childhood.
That's muscly. Makes the new GTO all the more ridiculous. Which is too bad, because I liked the original GTO and would prefer that it be the cool revival muscle car.

With all these muscle cars coming back it'd be cool for the Trans-Am series to return to the way it was in the hey-day of the muscle car. Even cooler if the cars where also efficient. Cake and eating, unfortunately....

Ahh, that would have been so sweet. Though, by looks, that car reminds me of a Korean manufacturer that made a very nice-looking car. Had "mod me!" written all over it. Looked kinda like an Asian Ferrari.

Edit: It's been fun, but I have to get to bed. 2:52 am, and I'm to move tomorr- Err.. Today. :(
I think that's what they where gunning for. (Hyundai?) Good luck with your move, dude...

I just ran across this, and, though I hate to keep throwing in non-trikes, this thing is simply bizzarre...

http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/smart.html#01

Looks strangely like the RC toy car I got when I was 7. The kind where if you crash it it reverses direction...

I think they are just digging up old toys and making them into cars.

Pretty soon one will be a reversible half-track with wings. and floats. can't forget that.

Okay! This one doesn't have four wheels!

http://www.theautochannel.com/cybercast/2002autoshows/tokyo/yamaha.html#01

...It has two. But it is quite possibly the only dirtbike I've ever been interested in.
I was going back through my search for the Razor to see if I could find any indication that they might make it (nope) and I ran across this monstrosity, that I'd forgotten about-
http://www.edmunds.com/media/2003/naias/dodge.tomahawk/dodge.tomahawk.con.f34.500.jpg
Apparently they sold a 'replica' of one for $555,000...sweet crap.

Quite a fun thread... cute little wheels, etc.... shame about the troll.

That's muscly. Makes the new GTO all the more ridiculous. Which is too bad, because I liked the original GTO and would prefer that it be the cool revival muscle car.

With all these muscle cars coming back it'd be cool for the Trans-Am series to return to the way it was in the hey-day of the muscle car. Even cooler if the cars where also efficient. Cake and eating, unfortunately....
I have to wonder--is the belief that there's nothing new to design or film taking over the world? All these remakes--it's starting to bug me in a way. I know there's still a lot of focus on new technology and stuff, but here in the US, we seem to be locked into the nostalgic looking back for a better time that never was, and it's disconcerting in a way.

Just glad the singular wheel is in the back. Remember 3-wheelers(ATV)? Dangerous things. But from the looks of it, it's pretty low to the ground, either way .. it wouldn't flip easily.

This looks fun to zoom around in, but I wouldn't buy one if I had the cash.

I have to wonder--is the belief that there's nothing new to design or film taking over the world? All these remakes--it's starting to bug me in a way. I know there's still a lot of focus on new technology and stuff, but here in the US, we seem to be locked into the nostalgic looking back for a better time that never was, and it's disconcerting in a way.
I blame Baby Boomers, and not in that "Member of Gen-X Blames Everything on Baby Boomers" kinda way. Maybe...

But, we where raised on a steady diet of nostalgia. The generation that raised us was obsessed with a glorified past so few of them participated in. I regard movies like Forrest Gump to be nostalgic fetish films. Perhaps it was a reaction to 'good ol' days' sentiments of 'The greatest generation' that raised them, but by the time it came to us nostalgia had been turned into a full blown fetish, a past time. Hell, we now have a show that is nostalgic about last week.

I think that that is the cause of a lot of this. With cars, though, I really think it's helped. Cars of the 80s and 90s had become aneceptic and we needed to go back to a time when people actually had a passion for cars to make them interesting again. The danger, and it could be successfully argued, is in over-mining that well. I'd like to see less out-right mimics like the Challenger, Mini and Beetle (despite liking all of them to a degree) and more 'hybrid' modern designs that harken to the past like the Cruiser, Boxster, or Z3/4. It's kinda like we move forward by pretending the blandness of 78-99 never happened.

I blame Baby Boomers, and not in that "Member of Gen-X Blames Everything on Baby Boomers" kinda way. Maybe...

But, we where raised on a steady diet of nostalgia. The generation that raised us was obsessed with a glorified past so few of them participated in. I regard movies like Forrest Gump to be nostalgic fetish films. Perhaps it was a reaction to 'good ol' days' sentiments of 'The greatest generation' that raised them, but by the time it came to us nostalgia had been turned into a full blown fetish, a past time. Hell, we now have a show that is nostalgic about last week.

I think that that is the cause of a lot of this. With cars, though, I really think it's helped. Cars of the 80s and 90s had become aneceptic and we needed to go back to a time when people actually had a passion for cars to make them interesting again. The danger, and it could be successfully argued, is in over-mining that well. I'd like to see less out-right mimics like the Challenger, Mini and Beetle (despite liking all of them to a degree) and more 'hybrid' modern designs that harken to the past like the Cruiser, Boxster, or Z3/4. It's kinda like we move forward by pretending the blandness of 78-99 never happened.
It's funny you mention that period, because there was a good article in the latest Playboy about Detroit's problems, especially GM (yeah, I read the articles--I get my porn online) in overcoming this perception that they're making crap cars. One of the things the author noted was that the reason that the only US company kicking ass right now was Chrysler was because they were taking stylistic chances. He pointed to the Prowler, the PT Cruiser and the new 300 as examples of that--they're distinctive, and whether you love or hate them, you're not indifferent to them. GM and Ford could learn from that.

If itcan be tricked out with a stinger missile and oil slicks, I'll take three.

It's funny you mention that period, because there was a good article in the latest Playboy about Detroit's problems, especially GM (yeah, I read the articles--I get my porn online) in overcoming this perception that they're making crap cars. One of the things the author noted was that the reason that the only US company kicking ass right now was Chrysler was because they were taking stylistic chances. He pointed to the Prowler, the PT Cruiser and the new 300 as examples of that--they're distinctive, and whether you love or hate them, you're not indifferent to them. GM and Ford could learn from that.
I'd have to agree wholeheartedly. And Chrysler has never even been close to my favorite (though I did like the 'Cuda, but that's becasue my dad had one when I was 4). I remember actually dropping my jaw a bit when I first saw the new 300 with the big grill and wheel arches. I think the Crossfire is a great looking car that harkens to a style I've always liked. Audi was going to do something similar but they chickened out.

I never liked the Prowler, especially in light of the Panoz AIV-
http://www.damox.com/cars/thumbs/Panoz/1999_Panoz_AIV_Roadster.jpg
with it's Roush V8 vs the Prowler's V6.

Chrysler really is pulling ahead of the game, and it's worth noting that it is the German company of the big three. Ford has had some opportunities, they had a concept based on thier 1950 custom, but the one that made the road was devoid of personality, like just about all of thier cars. The GT is almost akin to a replica. The new Mustang I'm a little hesitant on because they have never aged well with me despite starting off good.

Before the merger with Benz they had a great opportunity to save one of their brands, Plymouth. The Cruiser was supposed to be part of it. There was a few other in the PT line, including a Spyder-all had good looking designs and all where around $20,000 or less. Given the success of the Cruiser I think it would have saved the brand. It would also be a great place for Chrysler to start releasing hybrid and high efficiency economy cars that have style. It's really too bad that they didn't follow through.

I think that the Cadilacs are starting to look good, at the very least distinctive-there is no mistaking that you are seeing a Cadilac when it drives by, and that low slung two-door (don't know which one that is) looks pretty cool. One passed me the other day and caught my eye.

The big-mouth grill is going to be the signature of cars of the first ten years of the 21st century.

If itcan be tricked out with a stinger missile and oil slicks, I'll take three.
That's probably pretty close to why I like 'em. I played a lot of Car Wars in High School and designed a lot of reverse trikes because they where light weight and nibble so I could get around the bulkier cars. And I thought they looked neat.

It's funny you mention that period, because there was a good article in the latest Playboy about Detroit's problems, especially GM (yeah, I read the articles--I get my porn online) in overcoming this perception that they're making crap cars. One of the things the author noted was that the reason that the only US company kicking ass right now was Chrysler was because they were taking stylistic chances. He pointed to the Prowler, the PT Cruiser and the new 300 as examples of that--they're distinctive, and whether you love or hate them, you're not indifferent to them. GM and Ford could learn from that.
Not to bump an old and embattled thread, but I just came across this thanks to the 'lastest headlines' button on Firefox-
Chrysler sales increase (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4592908.stm)
Chrysler was even doing better than its bunkmate-
Chrysler sales in 2005 rose by 4.7% worldwide to 2.8 million vehicles, while Mercedes-Benz numbers were up 1.7% to 1.22 million cars; with DaimlerChrysler saying both units were aided by well-received new models.
And, to be smug-
Chrysler's US-only sales figures were up 5%, showing that the company is managing to buck the falling sales being endured by its "big three" rivals Ford and General Motors.

Both Ford and General Motors are said to have put an over-reliance upon heavy drinking four-wheel-drive or sports utility vehicles, sales of which have fallen in the US in response to rises in petrol prices.
Less big ugly trucks in the future and more innovative and interesting designs? One can only hope, but Cadillac just introduced an even bigger Escalade....ugh...